**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 25 02:59:59 2012 Nov 25 03:04:44 mm, nemein is hiring, maybe I should apply.. :) Nov 25 03:14:17 Skry, so, the plan is, you get the cart, and put the servers on it. We'll have a yellow-orange and slate grey van parked outside in three minutes. Nov 25 03:47:21 Hurrian: roger that. :) Nov 25 03:48:37 wtf, suddenly he notices that it's morning already! Nov 25 03:51:26 Skry: only 4.50 here ^^ Nov 25 03:53:14 5:53 Nov 25 03:56:29 I think I'll just go to sleep, been mindlesly staring at the screen and doing nothing for the part few hours, apparently. Nov 25 03:56:57 past even Nov 25 03:57:12 so, gn Nov 25 04:24:29 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T20:34:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1297539#post1297539 < anyone with a working ukeyboard vkb on maemo and easy debian?? Nov 25 04:35:10 ??? Nov 25 04:35:54 Skry: i also for a moment go to sleep... Nov 25 04:36:16 "battery charging mode" :p **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 25 06:11:22 2012 Nov 25 07:43:21 DocScrutinizer05: trolling newbies is too easy, it's not fun Nov 25 11:20:37 Anyone Xlib here? what happens if XCreateWindow is called with NULL for parent window? Nov 25 11:22:58 not sure, make a root window? most GUI toolkit do that anyway Nov 25 11:23:28 jon_y: i guess that too, but i need to be sure Nov 25 11:54:47 freemangordon, use XRootWindow(display, screen_number) Nov 25 11:55:28 Pali: I know that :). I am asking ^^^, because this is what systemui-tklock plugin does ;) Nov 25 11:55:35 I am REing it Nov 25 11:56:19 it passess NULL parent to XCreateWindow Nov 25 11:56:50 the same for XCreateColormap Nov 25 11:57:03 i.e. NULL window Nov 25 11:57:55 anyway, I put /* FIXME */ on all the places I am not sure, you'll have the chance to fix them in CSSU :P Nov 25 12:01:57 I think you should use DefaultRootWindow(display) for root window (not NULL). but google does not know what NULL is doing... Nov 25 12:02:54 neither does man Nov 25 12:03:17 Pali: yeah, I've already asked him Nov 25 12:03:26 before asking here Nov 25 12:03:41 this could be bug in tklock as well Nov 25 12:30:39 freemangordon: also, the null value for Window is not "NULL", it is "None". Might be important when googling Nov 25 12:31:19 villager: what is passed is 0, name it whatever you want Nov 25 12:31:54 freemangordon: well, just saying the name might matter to google Nov 25 12:32:07 yeah, thanks Nov 25 12:48:11 guys, is talk.maemo.org down? Nov 25 12:48:24 can not load it :S Nov 25 12:48:29 http://isup.me/talk.maemo.org Nov 25 12:48:45 oh, ok, now it responds, I thought it was taken down Nov 25 12:49:32 tadzik: thanks, nice url to bookmark Nov 25 13:36:17 I destrodyed CAL and here is output from serial console: http://pastebin.com/nVhcXW7r Nov 25 13:36:37 freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ (test in qemu) Nov 25 13:37:15 I do not understand: [ 0.010] ERROR: both configuration areas are invalid; choosing first half Nov 25 13:37:33 we have *two* CAL partitions in n900??? Nov 25 13:37:41 Pali: look at libcal replacement, you'll get it Nov 25 13:37:53 no, it is split in 3 areas Nov 25 13:38:03 conf1, conf2, user Nov 25 13:38:15 there is exactly the same message there Nov 25 13:39:51 Pali: https://gitorious.org/cal/cal/blobs/master/src/cal.c#line1008 Nov 25 13:40:04 ok Nov 25 13:40:18 seems that same libcal.so is linked to NOLO Nov 25 13:40:26 yep Nov 25 13:50:13 after investigation: NOLO has hardcoded some fallback partition table which can be overwritten by partition table in CAL Nov 25 13:51:20 so NOLO has hardcoded offset and size of CAL, NOLO parse it and then it overwrite partition table CAL Nov 25 13:51:27 freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ Nov 25 13:52:01 hmm, so we cannot move CAL? Nov 25 13:52:32 yes Nov 25 13:52:49 I tried it in qemu, but NOLO not worked Nov 25 13:53:57 so bootloader and CAL partition cannot be changed Nov 25 13:54:40 btw, here is dump from NOLO console: http://pastebin.com/NeNnH22W Nov 25 13:55:01 if somebody understand format of CAL part_table, we can increase size of rootfs Nov 25 13:55:10 (removing initfs) Nov 25 13:57:01 btw replacing NOLO by u-boot will not be possible, because NOLO booting CMT Nov 25 13:57:14 and we have no code for CMT :-( Nov 25 14:19:04 Pali: well, NOLO isn't that problematic, is it Nov 25 14:22:42 just boot uboot from nolo? what's the diff :) Nov 25 14:29:51 move kernel to /boot Nov 25 14:30:35 megabytes of additional space in kernel partition for uBoot improvements Nov 25 14:32:08 and no, I wouldn't nuke initfs partition, it might serve better purposes than for introducing incalculable risk by removing it Nov 25 14:34:19 if you want to put initfs partition to purpose, do mkubifs and mount it Nov 25 14:37:05 kerio, you can try to decode that part_table section in CAL :P Nov 25 14:37:24 DocScrutinizer05: move kernel to initfs! Nov 25 14:37:33 duh Nov 25 14:39:14 Pali: how do i read something from CAL? Nov 25 14:41:10 DocScrutinizer05: initfs is as big as kernel Nov 25 14:55:05 kerio: I thought about that as well, for some weird reason I don't like the idea as much as the classical solution 'kernel zImage in /boot' Nov 25 14:55:19 mount initfs as /boot, maybe? Nov 25 15:00:33 sounds nice Nov 25 15:00:38 :-) Nov 25 15:01:16 sounds extremely nice Nov 25 15:01:39 or is it that tasty coffee? Nov 25 15:04:24 DocScrutinizer05: it feels like your mood depends a lot on how much time has passed since your last coffee Nov 25 15:06:51 DocScrutinizer05: anyway, having a separate /boot and a separate /usr would make fremantle *almost* like a real linux system Nov 25 15:07:16 and mounting a separate /usr wouldn't be too difficult i think Nov 25 15:10:45 kerio: I guess that rationale 2 up is exactly why I like that idea so much :-) Nov 25 15:11:50 hell, we even could use another filesystem (like jffs2) if uBoot has too many problems with loading kernel from ubifs Nov 25 15:11:57 DocScrutinizer05: the thing is, changing too much becomes a risk Nov 25 15:12:25 that's another nice point about it, we're not really changing much this way Nov 25 15:12:37 DocScrutinizer05: just the /boot ? Nov 25 15:13:18 IroN900:~# ls -ld /boot Nov 25 15:13:20 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2011-03-06 21:52 /boot Nov 25 15:13:31 already there, where's the big change? Nov 25 15:13:42 i meant /usr too :) Nov 25 15:14:01 IroN900:~# ls -ld /usr Nov 25 15:14:02 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 928 2010-07-30 02:03 /usr Nov 25 15:14:04 DocScrutinizer05: uboot doesn't support the onenand though Nov 25 15:14:14 at least, it doesn't support non-2101 onenands Nov 25 15:18:35 kerio: uBoot doesn't support onenand? wut? Nov 25 15:18:59 maybe *our* (neutered) uBoot doesn't support ubifs Nov 25 15:19:11 there's no onenand support compiled in the latest pali's uboot because it doesn't work correctly Nov 25 15:19:33 uboot has support for ubifs Nov 25 15:19:53 but when we move kernel out of kernel partition, uBoot got more additional space than it needs total space right now Nov 25 15:20:07 but for some unknown reason uboot cannot read anything from n900 onenand Nov 25 15:21:00 Pali: i thought it worked for 2101 n900s Nov 25 15:21:11 no Nov 25 15:21:49 DocScrutinizer05: by default, uboot reads the config file from the first vfat partition on the emmc Nov 25 15:21:51 when I compiled uboot with onenand support it broke booting on non 2101 n900s Nov 25 15:22:16 but reading onenand does not worked on 2101 n900... Nov 25 15:28:46 pandaboard should have a working uBoot for omap3430-onenand, no? Nov 25 15:30:59 btw my daily n900 just acted up on inbound call like... makes me want to place it on floor and kick it Nov 25 15:32:33 it took me ~5..10s until finally inbound call got established. Until then it did funny stuff like resuming ringtone playback after I pressed 'accept', rotating forth and back, etc Nov 25 15:33:16 first time it went apeshit like that Nov 25 15:33:41 hhh Nov 25 15:33:47 hmmm even Nov 25 15:33:52 IroN900:~# uptime Nov 25 15:33:53 16:33 34 Tage 0:40 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,24, 0,52, 0,47 Nov 25 15:34:14 iostat -m mmcblk0p3 Nov 25 15:34:42 total used free shared buffers cached Nov 25 15:34:43 Mem: 245540 237248 8292 0 528 87876 Nov 25 15:34:45 I reflash Maemo5 on my "new" N900 now, would you reflash Vanilla version of the eMMC too? Nov 25 15:34:50 Swap: 786424 183912 602512 Nov 25 15:35:06 NeutrinoPower: yes Nov 25 15:35:39 low ram use Nov 25 15:35:41 IroN900:~# iostat -m mmcblk0p3 Nov 25 15:35:43 bash: iostat: command not found Nov 25 15:35:53 sysstat in -devel Nov 25 15:37:02 E: Couldn't find package sysstat Nov 25 15:37:17 maybe I ought check my catalogs Nov 25 15:37:19 sucks Nov 25 15:37:44 or was it in tools? Nov 25 15:38:03 quite possibly Nov 25 15:38:50 F U HAM! Nov 25 15:38:59 16:38:59 up 157 days, 19:53, 5 users, load average: 0.60, 0.52, 0.54 Nov 25 15:39:09 total used free shared buffers cached Nov 25 15:39:09 Mem: 24743824 22672616 2071208 0 112 17723156 Nov 25 15:39:09 -/+ buffers/cache: 4949348 19794476 Nov 25 15:39:09 Swap: 18429944 2015552 16414392 Nov 25 15:39:34 anyway, if it shows more than 786 megs written, I bet that's a big cause of higher latencies Nov 25 15:41:09 Suggested packages: isag Recommended packages: cron --- suuuuuure Nov 25 15:41:50 ShadowJK: thanks, next time... ;-P Nov 25 15:41:55 Device: tps MB_read/s MB_wrtn/s MB_read MB_wrtn Nov 25 15:41:56 mmcblk0p3 0,00 0,00 0,00 0 0 Nov 25 15:44:40 meh, time for a reboot Nov 25 15:44:54 cheers Nov 25 15:53:06 don't worry about cause of this glitch in my N900 - I did quite some stuff that usually I'm not supposed to do, like testing commands I thought might be related to dsp-reset etc Nov 25 15:53:52 also a bq27200.sh 60 >>somewhere.log been running since 2 weeks at least Nov 25 16:04:15 NeutrinoPower: you have to flash VANILLA and COMBINED together Nov 25 16:06:01 ohohohoho vettel Nov 25 16:06:35 kerio, did you looked at new 0xFFFF? Nov 25 16:06:40 Pali: no i didn't Nov 25 16:06:51 should i test something in particular? Nov 25 16:07:06 you can generate your own fiasco images :-) Nov 25 16:09:50 of emmc too? Nov 25 16:13:39 hahaha what the hell is going on with the race Nov 25 16:14:32 NeutrinoPower: when you're done, come back here Nov 25 16:24:44 kerio, yes of emmc too Nov 25 16:24:59 you only need to add layout file Nov 25 16:25:25 kerio, but you can extract layout file from nokia emmc image by 0xFFFF Nov 25 16:25:44 Pali: afaik vi__ had a bunch of problems with making an eMMC image Nov 25 16:27:00 kerio, tell vi__ that I can help with eMMC image Nov 25 16:27:15 0xFFFF can generate it without problem Nov 25 16:27:21 he tried doing that with fiascogen, it failed Nov 25 16:27:39 fiasco-gen needs some special args... Nov 25 16:37:33 hehe, that's what I told him Nov 25 17:20:14 avi throught sshfs works ok... Nov 25 17:32:25 yes high compresion h264 kill smoothly play on n900 mayby not is tragic but video slower but looks ok bigger problem is synchro video audio... audio is faster then video... lets me try rmvb... Nov 25 17:41:19 Hello to everyone, not so Maemo question but i'm trying to convery UYVY Fcam Image to IplImage did anybody tried? Nov 25 17:45:39 anybody here? Nov 25 17:52:59 Drathir: what are you using to play the video? Nov 25 17:57:27 are u asking me? Nov 25 18:39:59 kerio: from sshfs mplayer... Nov 25 18:40:29 oh god why Nov 25 18:40:37 mplayer is *far* from being optimized Nov 25 18:40:38 at all Nov 25 18:40:47 the n900 has a DSP Nov 25 18:40:54 mediaplayer/openmediaplayer/mafw uses it Nov 25 18:41:08 it's no surprise that the playback isn't smooth Nov 25 18:49:21 kerio: any other way to play from sshfs? Nov 25 18:50:17 also have smplayer but this is weak optimised to n900 - so sad because is the best... Nov 25 18:50:40 kerio: yes n900 have dsp Nov 25 18:51:55 kerio: media openmedia have strannge highly not configurable options... Nov 25 18:52:29 mafw dont used yet must check it... Nov 25 18:53:46 kerio: all play great exclude h264 created with avidemux.... Nov 25 18:56:23 hm. Does the fact than mediaplayer stops playing when someone calls me come from the smartness of mafw? Nov 25 18:56:40 and mplayer is easier to use from console... Nov 25 18:57:31 * tadzik ponders a thought of something with MPD-compat. API but using mafw under the hood Nov 25 18:58:59 tadzik: also when play audio and close media close, when play video and minimalize or lock screen stop play... Nov 25 18:59:44 sorry, I don't understand you Nov 25 19:33:51 just a question -- I accidentally left my spare battery in a car outside in 24h and it's kind of cold, does batteries survive this just fine? Nov 25 19:33:57 just asking before I attempt to use it :p Nov 25 19:34:20 it probably won't blow up :) Nov 25 19:34:26 heh Nov 25 19:34:44 "probably" :3 Nov 25 19:36:34 it's fine to -15c or so storage, easily Nov 25 19:36:34 seems to work fine Nov 25 19:36:44 let it warm up before using Nov 25 19:37:01 9:55 Nov 25 19:37:06 er, wrong channel Nov 25 19:37:26 SpeedEvil: it was ~0 or so I think Nov 25 19:37:42 definitely not below though Nov 25 19:38:16 not any issue other than condensation Nov 25 19:38:50 hell, iirc you're *supposed* to keep batteries in the fridge for long-term storage Nov 25 19:39:22 yeah, I've heard that too Nov 25 19:39:29 never bothered to do that tho :) Nov 25 19:40:18 heh Nov 25 19:40:48 my spare battery usually just sits in my external charger, also for longer storage Nov 25 19:41:01 (like the period of ~1month when I had a non-working N900) Nov 25 19:50:39 Hello to everyone, not so Maemo question but i'm trying to convery UYVY Fcam Image to IplImage did anybody tried? Nov 25 19:59:35 anybody here? Nov 25 20:01:10 yes Nov 25 20:01:40 well... hello Nov 25 20:01:59 hello :) No, I didn't convert any fcam images, sorry Nov 25 20:02:22 it okay.. i also didn't do it :-) Nov 25 20:02:27 hello everyone Nov 25 20:02:58 hello Nov 25 20:12:57 openmedia is a litte enchancd version of mediaplayer... Nov 25 22:09:07 tadzik: i mean also when play audio and try to close mediaplayer audio stop too, when play video and minimalize or lock screen stop play... Nov 25 22:09:27 I see Nov 25 22:09:56 well, in omp you can choose to not stop playing music when you close the media player Nov 25 23:00:35 DocScrutinizer05: ping Nov 25 23:00:54 kerio: ping Nov 25 23:06:29 DocScrutinizer05: kerio wich of /dev/ is used for dsp device? Nov 25 23:10:25 Drathir: /dev/DspBridge Nov 25 23:16:43 Skry: thanks im thinking about that but not sure... Nov 25 23:17:06 name can be similar for something other... Nov 25 23:23:31 eh not works that... Nov 25 23:24:38 what are you trying to do? Nov 25 23:24:53 Skry: mplayer dont see /dev/dsp for oss driver but symlink to correct place not works... Nov 25 23:25:28 ok, then that is definetely NOT the device you need Nov 25 23:26:32 why are you not using mplayer -ao pulse ? Nov 25 23:27:29 Skry: because this vaule is ovverided by ao alsa Nov 25 23:27:44 in conso.e output Nov 25 23:27:50 console* Nov 25 23:29:10 i see also /dev/snd but dont know what this connected it is... Nov 25 23:29:34 I don't think oss compatibility is in fremantle kernel Nov 25 23:29:53 or as modules for that matter Nov 25 23:32:07 Skry: but only for alsa and oss is reaction see only this two options... Nov 25 23:33:04 I'm not quite getting what you mean, wait a second and I'll install mplayer and see Nov 25 23:33:11 alsa work Nov 25 23:34:42 halVIII__: yes alsa works but to many [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. Nov 25 23:34:45 [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe. Nov 25 23:35:14 looking for alternative to check somthing... Nov 25 23:35:19 ram or disk full ? Nov 25 23:36:04 halVIII__: none of them full Nov 25 23:36:44 ram 165/229mb Nov 25 23:37:05 swap only 199mb used Nov 25 23:39:18 is possible compiling programs on n900? Nov 25 23:39:42 from source package i mean... Nov 25 23:39:55 when I try mplayer -ao pulse bla.avi it's ok Nov 25 23:40:13 same here Nov 25 23:40:16 look for output Nov 25 23:40:54 Drathir: depends Nov 25 23:40:58 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Nov 25 23:40:58 AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Nov 25 23:41:05 -ao pulse -> everything ok, -ao alsa I get the same error as you but audio works ok regardless Nov 25 23:41:21 you *can* install the required stuff on-device but it's tedious and compilation will take ages Nov 25 23:41:40 recommended way is using sbox on your computer Nov 25 23:42:07 FIQ: good trick... Nov 25 23:43:22 MPlayer SVN-r30099-4.2.1 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team Nov 25 23:43:40 from cssu testing Nov 25 23:43:47 ao_alsa broken pipe ... reset soundcard... but it's ok I hear the sound Nov 25 23:44:24 so I can't help you more, sorry Nov 25 23:45:14 maybe your sound level ^^ Nov 25 23:46:03 yes yes sound is heared but with more load when tray to play h264 sometimes that brokee pipe messages is mor than few and looking for alternative output to compare behaviour... Nov 25 23:46:42 halVIII__: thanks alot for check this is enough thanks again... Nov 25 23:47:15 ok I didn't try h264, maybe too heavy file? Nov 25 23:47:41 I did try h264 Nov 25 23:47:59 by any chance, are you trying to play some insanely overkill 720p with dts or something? Nov 25 23:50:24 I think I turned invisible Nov 25 23:51:05 Skry: i use avidemux for convert video mpeg-4 avc (x264) audio mp3 container mkv Nov 25 23:51:10 yes you're currently +i Nov 25 23:52:41 halVIII__: yes proppably but interesting is that video little slowly than normal but play, and audio is not synchronised is much faster than video... Nov 25 23:53:40 file size of that encode is very acceptable is very small and quaility is very high... Nov 25 23:54:23 Skry: not most of the files is 480p max Nov 25 23:57:10 this probably is just about personal preference, but why are you using mplayer when you have option to player which uses DSP for decoding? Nov 25 23:57:51 something like eg. 704x400 Nov 25 23:58:02 and yes, those broken pipe messages do tend to appear when your system is just too slow to play the file Nov 25 23:58:26 Skry: openmedia cant read from sshfs Nov 25 23:59:09 with mplayer i play from console chosing the file... Nov 26 00:00:29 but inseresting why dsp isnt avaible for system like normal device drivers xv,x11,fbdev and other... Nov 26 00:00:54 so you are playing remote files.. try increasing the cache for mplayer (-cache iirc), or, you could just install minidlna to other end and use omp Nov 26 00:02:23 and, because mplayer does not use gstreamer Nov 26 00:02:32 Skry: i trying too cache isnt problem not visible changes with different vaules of cache... Nov 26 00:03:23 Skry: hmmm i try play with minidlna i must go to read about that... Nov 26 00:04:42 Skry: not use? i know that using ffmpeg but dont think about that dont use gstreamer... Nov 26 00:06:02 I meant, that dsp decoding/encoding is available for anything that supports gstreamer, which mplayer does not do. Nov 26 00:06:56 I personally use minidlna and omp, works. Nov 26 00:09:42 i also try server side play with x forwarding but in this way no sound... Nov 26 00:11:55 Skry: ok i also will be try minidlna... Nov 26 00:13:25 i know i can convert to avi eg. but this no way for that... better is looking for sollution wchich not modify oryginal file... Nov 26 00:14:05 Drathir: ok. btw I'm currently playing 700MB h264 dvdrip with omp via minidlna, everything works, video and audio are very smooth. Nov 26 00:15:27 Skry: good to know that the last chance works ^^ thanks a lot for check... Nov 26 00:15:41 np Nov 26 00:16:25 Skry: i good thinking that minidlna works on server side? Nov 26 00:17:01 yes, server Nov 26 00:18:44 Skry: oh one more thing maybe you have also http server and try to stream that the same file throught https with browser? Nov 26 00:19:05 I dont have such Nov 26 00:20:18 ok no problem... Nov 26 00:21:40 I tested with another h264 dvdrip, plays fine also. both files i tried are from groups that release torrents so h264 support seems to be quite ok with "standard" files Nov 26 00:22:26 im in this way try to compare core player from n80 phone with n900... Nov 26 00:23:15 Skry: ok setup minidlna... Nov 26 00:25:40 Drathir: other dlna servers should also work, I chose minidlna because it is lightweight Nov 26 00:29:59 http://crackberry.com/blackberry-10-n-series-parts-begin-leak-heres-look-keyboard Nov 26 00:33:53 http://www.maemo.org/ Nov 26 00:35:34 I have a strange problem.. my phone crashes when I close the back cover Nov 26 00:36:10 n950? Nov 26 00:36:43 n900 Nov 26 00:38:04 Skry: dlna using udp? Nov 26 00:38:38 Skry: in arch also is in community repo... Nov 26 00:41:04 yeah, udp Nov 26 00:41:12 oh no Nov 26 00:41:16 it crashes.. hmm.. Nov 26 00:42:26 Sysaxed:sd attached? Nov 26 00:43:13 mean sd card Nov 26 00:43:55 yes Nov 26 00:44:04 seems like it does it randomly, not because of the lid Nov 26 00:44:28 Sysaxed: dmesg checked after crash? Nov 26 00:44:43 no Nov 26 00:44:49 it reboots all the time... Nov 26 00:44:52 maybe this time I will do it Nov 26 00:44:58 well, it boots to the OS Nov 26 00:45:02 showing the desktop and stuff Nov 26 00:45:15 but then I grabbed it in my hands Nov 26 00:45:17 and it crashed Nov 26 00:45:25 maybe there's a problem with usb port?... Nov 26 00:47:42 opened up a terminal.. and it turned off.. Nov 26 01:06:34 Anybody have a specific changelog for the latest 0xFFFF Nov 26 01:06:36 ? Nov 26 01:12:48 I don't get it! Nov 26 01:12:59 when it's plugged in, I can boot Nov 26 01:13:08 Loose battery? Nov 26 01:13:14 otherwise it simply doesn't let me boot Nov 26 01:13:31 if I boot and plug out - it turns off Nov 26 01:13:46 Battery's shot? Nov 26 01:14:48 if it's working and I take it in my arms - it turns off Nov 26 01:15:44 probably it's the battery... Nov 26 01:15:46 I'm betting shot battery - as soon as you unplug it, the voltage drops below the 'shutdown' level Nov 26 01:16:05 Get yourself a Japod battery from dx.com Nov 26 01:16:15 check the maemo forums for the exact link Nov 26 01:16:25 Better capacity than stock, $10 or so Nov 26 01:17:16 well, I have 5 more batteries Nov 26 01:17:21 not a problem... Nov 26 01:41:13 thank you DocScrutinizer05 ... Nov 26 01:41:59 I uninstalled fcam and all of the sudden my led and keyboard backligt work again ... Nov 26 01:42:49 wouldn't have expected its software related (and especially since I didn't add any new software on there for like the last year ... (including fcam which should be there for a year i guess) Nov 26 01:42:53 yw Nov 26 02:50:33 Skry: what router you use? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 26 02:59:58 2012