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Nov 26 03:02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> who asked if that bug got fixed in fcam? ^^^ your answer ;-)
Nov 26 03:02:30 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer05, care to point me to highlights for the 0xFFFF update?
Nov 26 03:02:49 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-11-23 20:59:54] <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: was the fcam led bug fixed?
Nov 26 03:03:18 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: I don't know for sure, just have a bookmark
Nov 26 03:03:21 <DocScrutinizer05> mompls
Nov 26 03:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> The changelog in the package is from 2008.
Nov 26 03:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
Nov 26 03:04:18 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer05, yeah, I've got that one, too.
Nov 26 03:04:25 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't really cover the update specifically, though.
Nov 26 03:19:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no better info available here. Ask pali
Nov 26 03:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: ^^^
Nov 26 03:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> He's not here.
Nov 26 03:19:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen pali
Nov 26 03:19:46 <infobot> pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 4h 13m 28s ago, saying: 'stop bme and load bq kernel drivers'.
Nov 26 03:43:49 <Drathir> Skry: minidlna the same behaviour omp dont play all the time try to buffor data...
Nov 26 03:46:25 <Drathir> Skry: but mplayer play like other with link getting from omp...
Nov 26 05:03:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 26 05:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Nov 26 05:26:04 <infobot> - Uptime for apt -
Nov 26 05:26:04 <infobot> Now: 23m 25s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Nov 26 05:26:05 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Nov 26 05:26:05 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Nov 26 05:26:05 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Nov 26 06:07:12 <Drathir> coreplayer on n80 play very slowly with freezes from dlna but audio seems to be synchronized...
Nov 26 07:23:50 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: weird, though - i have fcam installed and everything works fine
Nov 26 08:41:31 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> anyone in this channel working on jolla?
Nov 26 08:41:34 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> or is that on the DL?
Nov 26 08:46:40 <halVIII_> ljsdofuynsdfufuh, maybe try on #jollamobile or #mer
Nov 26 08:49:02 <halVIII_> by jolla I suppose you mean sailfish , https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Main_Page  Jolla is the company sailfishos the OS
Nov 26 08:53:23 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> cool :(
Nov 26 08:53:24 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> )
Nov 26 08:53:27 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> :
Nov 26 08:54:24 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> fkn keyboard haha... hey so if you had to carry two phones how would you work the carrier issues? I need to start carrying my iOS device with me, but I still have my n900. They both can't use the same 100/mo ATT carrier
Nov 26 09:04:53 <villager> dunno, here in europe you can use both on the same subscription if you pay a little extra
Nov 26 09:17:14 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 26 09:17:16 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'.
Nov 26 09:27:57 <freemangordon> Pali: there's no use :(
Nov 26 09:29:41 <DocScrutinizer51> indeed
Nov 26 09:30:08 <freemangordon> Pali: you'd better pester the council :D
Nov 26 11:14:10 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: told you it's probably a race condition, depending who's starting(opening-the-sysnode first, fcam or mce
Nov 26 11:14:52 <gomiam> DocScrutinizer05: you "racist"... ;)
Nov 26 12:19:28 <vi____> GGZZZZOOOMMMMFFG!
Nov 26 12:19:38 <vi____> Otterboxes have been found!
Nov 26 12:35:55 * ShadowJK pays 3.90 extra per month to be able to use up to 5 devices on same subscription
Nov 26 12:47:33 <vi____> ShadowJK: wut?
Nov 26 12:47:48 <vi____> same subscription to what?
Nov 26 12:47:54 <vi____> phone?
Nov 26 13:48:05 <mgedmin> what is this Cybercom spam doing on planet maemo?
Nov 26 13:49:33 <amospalla> is it posible to change the code lock timeout to greater than one hour ?
Nov 26 13:51:24 <MrPingu> amospalla: yes via gconf, IIRC
Nov 26 13:51:55 <amospalla> MrPingu: thanks, lets search again with that in mind
Nov 26 13:55:05 <MrPingu> amospalla: /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_timeout
Nov 26 16:02:46 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 26 16:11:41 <vi____> ShadowJK: Is it safe or even logical to use hdparm to measure flash read speed on the n900?
Nov 26 16:29:29 <uros1> hi people, can anobody point me how to add exstras repo and exstras-devel trying this way and ham reported no working repo http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=481403&postcount=4
Nov 26 16:29:53 <vi____> uros1: Do you know linux?
Nov 26 16:30:09 <uros1> sure ubuntu user over 5 years
Nov 26 16:30:16 <vi____> cool
Nov 26 16:30:37 <vi____> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
Nov 26 16:30:42 <vi____> with vi as root
Nov 26 16:30:50 <vi____> add the repo name there.
Nov 26 16:31:08 <vi____> it is the absolutely easiest way.
Nov 26 16:31:33 <uros1> this links, this is ok names and links here?http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=481403&postcount=4
Nov 26 16:32:39 <vi____>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Nov 26 16:32:48 <vi____> http://cxg.de/_fced87.htm
Nov 26 16:32:54 <vi____> uros1: There you go.
Nov 26 16:33:32 <vi____> uros1: Use you common sense.  That sources.list also contains other stuff!
Nov 26 16:34:33 <uros1> ok cool tnx
Nov 26 16:35:22 <vi____> uros1: Also, you can use apt.
Nov 26 16:35:44 <vi____> wwaaaaaaaayyyy faster than that HAM bullfeathers.
Nov 26 16:40:07 <uros1> easy done with leafpad...
Nov 26 16:40:15 <vi____> leafpad.
Nov 26 16:40:18 <vi____> LOOOOOOOL
Nov 26 16:40:39 <uros1> hehe
Nov 26 16:41:10 <uros1> i  like xubuntu
Nov 26 16:41:23 <vi____> How do you easily run an X application as root when you are logged into X as a user without funky hacks?
Nov 26 16:42:18 <uros1> startx :-D
Nov 26 16:45:49 <uros1> what about thumb repo, is it ok idea tu use it or...
Nov 26 17:03:53 <GeneralAntilles> Pali, ping?
Nov 26 17:28:17 <ron0062000>  /quit
Nov 26 17:32:05 <Cor-Ai> aww
Nov 26 17:38:11 <Pali> GeneralAntilles, pong
Nov 26 17:38:53 <GeneralAntilles> Pali, too late. :P
Nov 26 17:39:12 <Pali> what?
Nov 26 17:39:12 <GeneralAntilles> I was going to quiz you about the newest features in 0xFFFF but you're getting a more generic summary in MWKN instead.
Nov 26 17:39:13 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry.
Nov 26 18:15:40 <vi_> ls
Nov 26 18:27:48 <kerio> uros1: if you're ok with running bleeding-edge stuff...
Nov 26 18:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: uros1: Do NOT use cssu-thumb repo unless you *know* what you're doing! It will make your system segafault like mad, if not installed correctly
Nov 26 18:34:18 <vi__> Lols.
Nov 26 18:34:18 <kerio> oh, he said repo
Nov 26 18:34:36 <vi__> I said use that sources.list with care.
Nov 26 18:34:49 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: if dpkg let you install stuff, then you're just a reboot away from a working condition
Nov 26 18:34:52 <kerio> ...in theory
Nov 26 18:36:11 <vi__> Is there a way to configure notification balloons for individual accounts?
Nov 26 18:38:07 <kerio> vi__: make an otterbox that supports extra batteries!
Nov 26 18:38:16 <kerio> i'd pay *tens* of euros for it
Nov 26 18:38:30 <vi__> Htf am I meant to do that?
Nov 26 18:38:48 <kerio> idk, make something that bends time and space
Nov 26 18:38:52 <vi__> I think 1500 is as good as we will get.
Nov 26 18:39:17 <kerio> oh right, it's probably easier to make a better battery
Nov 26 18:39:25 <kerio> by bending time and space
Nov 26 18:39:37 <vi__> Although I beg if a manufacturer REALLY wanted he could make ~1700.
Nov 26 18:40:04 <vi__> No paper wrap around label and miss out the protection PCB.
Nov 26 18:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: eh??
Nov 26 18:40:29 <vi__> I believe in the power of the bq27200.
Nov 26 18:40:38 <kerio> vi__lolnope
Nov 26 18:40:55 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: we need bigger batteries
Nov 26 18:41:21 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, you need thumb kernel for any stuff from cssu-thumb repo
Nov 26 18:41:41 <vi__> Just accept the n900 is slipping further and further into obsolecence each day.
Nov 26 18:41:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it's plain mad to suggest anybody should enable tzhat repo in his standard device
Nov 26 18:41:48 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: yeah but everything thumb-compiled depends on the kernel-errata-whatever-feature
Nov 26 18:42:04 <DocScrutinizer05> it's still mad
Nov 26 18:42:04 <kerio> so at worst the dependencies bring in kernel-cssu-flasher
Nov 26 18:42:28 <kerio> oh, of course
Nov 26 18:42:34 <kerio> you're supposed to make a BM backup beforehand :)
Nov 26 18:42:43 <DocScrutinizer05> fool!
Nov 26 18:42:48 <DocScrutinizer05> stop trolling people!
Nov 26 18:43:14 <kerio> dude, chill
Nov 26 18:43:30 <kerio> i misread and i didn't think he was talking about the repo
Nov 26 18:43:47 <uros1> one questin, just reinstalled n900 and install cssu and thumb repo 
Nov 26 18:43:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, you're earning real bad karma this way, suggesting users stuff that will basically break their installation
Nov 26 18:44:06 <DocScrutinizer05> uros1: DO *NOT* install cssu-thumb repo!!!!
Nov 26 18:44:20 <uros1> why?
Nov 26 18:44:51 <vi__> BECAUSE YOUR N900 WILL BREAK.
Nov 26 18:44:53 <kerio> uros1: if you want to install cssu-thumb, you have to follow the actual instructions
Nov 26 18:44:57 <DocScrutinizer05> bevcause it will at best turn your device/system into something you are not even aware of and that can't get reverted
Nov 26 18:45:16 <kerio> enabling the repo can make your install blow up
Nov 26 18:45:33 <vi__> Is this shit for reals? Who told him to enable the thumb repo?
Nov 26 18:45:49 <uros1> hmm, a have thumb before and no problems...
Nov 26 18:46:14 <vi__> Do you have the thumb kernel installed?
Nov 26 18:46:20 <DocScrutinizer05> we're not interested in "WFM"
Nov 26 18:46:37 <kerio> if the answer is "i don't know", then you shouldn't've enabled the thumb repo
Nov 26 18:46:43 <uros1> not yet
Nov 26 18:46:57 <uros1> i just add repo, not proceeding to update
Nov 26 18:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> uros1: if you want to use cssu-thumb, read ubout it in tmo
Nov 26 18:47:04 <DocScrutinizer05> about*
Nov 26 18:47:32 <uros1> ok lets see
Nov 26 18:47:42 <DocScrutinizer05> uros1: no, not let's see
Nov 26 18:47:55 <uros1> OP saye "stable Thumb2"
Nov 26 18:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you got pretty clear advice. There's no alternative
Nov 26 18:48:12 <uros1> its stable, so why not?
Nov 26 18:48:37 <DocScrutinizer05> no use in spreading bogus "works for me" pseudo-intructions reso reports here
Nov 26 18:49:11 <DocScrutinizer05> uros1: obviously because you got no clue what it's all about, and we're not interested in reports based on that
Nov 26 18:49:42 <uros1> ok anyway, a have testing CSSU now
Nov 26 18:49:48 <uros1> fully uptadeted
Nov 26 18:49:54 <DocScrutinizer05> we already know about all the implications (maybe except kerio who, aiui, suggested to enable zthat repo, which been absolutely wrong advice)
Nov 26 18:49:57 <vi__> If you want thumb, you need to do it as instructed on tmo.  Search for thumb2 and read the first post.
Nov 26 18:50:02 <uros1> and i have problem with contacs app
Nov 26 18:50:03 <kerio> ffs i didn't
Nov 26 18:50:46 <uros1> every reboot wipe up all contacss
Nov 26 18:51:11 <uros1> only gchat contacts survive
Nov 26 18:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, but everything just works fine for you, except that minor problem? FIINE!
Nov 26 18:52:06 <vi__> Wow.
Nov 26 18:52:18 <vi__> Uros, you need a reflash.
Nov 26 18:52:26 <DocScrutinizer05> definitely
Nov 26 18:52:46 <uros1> ok i manage myself
Nov 26 18:52:51 <uros1> tnx
Nov 26 19:23:06 <kolp> The attitude in here is, err... weird sometimes...
Nov 26 20:13:27 <ShadowJK> vi____; hdparm is silly, and also flash read speed is pretty irrelevant
Nov 26 20:13:30 * Drathir do working with minidlna+transcode....
Nov 26 20:16:59 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> If you had to carry two phones how would you work the carrier issues? I need to start carrying my iOS device with me, but I still have my n900. They both can't use the same 100/mo ATT carrier
Nov 26 20:21:27 <jacekowski> ljsdofuynsdfufuh: just divert all the calls
Nov 26 20:23:28 <vi_> ShadowJK: Then what is a good way to check my latest block device tweaks for random write speed?
Nov 26 20:23:47 <ShadowJK> Certainly not hdparm lol
Nov 26 20:24:33 <vi_> I tried iozone through easy debian but I did not understand the results I was getting.
Nov 26 20:28:36 <RzR> http://www.robertocolistete.net//MaemoMeeGo/SDK/i386-public-sdk-rootstrap.tgz
Nov 26 20:32:37 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> jacekowski: yeah, but they'll each have to have a different SIM & I'll have to pay for 2 data plans, etc
Nov 26 20:33:12 <jacekowski> so you want 2 phones?
Nov 26 20:51:10 * ShadowJK can have 5 phones on same subscription for 3.90 extra per month :D
Nov 26 21:11:17 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> very funny. jacekowski: no, I just have to carry an android or iOS phone for work, but I'd like to keep carrying the n900
Nov 26 22:01:48 <markinfo> hi. I need to switch to android. How to transfer Contacts?
Nov 26 22:02:11 <tadzik> export to vcards
Nov 26 22:02:19 <tadzik> there's this option in contacts app
Nov 26 22:02:36 <vi_> markinfo: step 1.  mail your old n900 to me.
Nov 26 22:02:41 <vi_> step 2. ???
Nov 26 22:02:51 <vi_> step 3. Contacts transferred.
Nov 26 22:03:40 <markinfo> vcard 2.1 or vcard 3.0 ?
Nov 26 22:04:35 <tadzik> whatever floats your goat :)
Nov 26 22:04:41 <vi_> vcard 2.1, android is not knowf for compatability
Nov 26 22:13:05 <NeutrinoPower> hi, I reflashed maemo5 yesterday on n900 now I want install some application like a barcode-reader to scan the WPA2-key... is there an manual how to install application via USB or is there an Software to manage the N900 on PC?
Nov 26 22:13:35 <NeutrinoPower> (I use archlinux)
Nov 26 22:14:33 <tadzik> why do you want to do this via usb?
Nov 26 22:15:16 <NeutrinoPower> I don't have any connection to the internet with my N900
Nov 26 22:15:47 <tadzik> you should be able to setup usbnetwork somehow
Nov 26 22:16:01 <tadzik> or the easy way, copy over the .deb files and install them manually
Nov 26 22:16:05 <NeutrinoPower> oh yeah, I want this
Nov 26 22:16:17 <NeutrinoPower> usbnetwork..
Nov 26 22:16:27 <tadzik> that I don't know much about
Nov 26 22:16:57 <vi_> NeutrinoPower: search in google 'n900 usbnetworking'
Nov 26 22:17:04 <vi_> ~usbnetworking
Nov 26 22:17:04 <infobot> i heard usbnetworking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking
Nov 26 22:17:09 <vi_> ^that
Nov 26 22:57:16 <vi_> is there a way to transfer contacts manually?
Nov 26 22:57:26 <vi_> I.e. transferring over the database?
Nov 26 23:30:28 <Preflex> Hi.  I uploaded a package extras using the extras assistant about 45 minutes ago and I don't see any sign of it in the autobuilder queue or in the extras-cauldron-builds archives.
Nov 26 23:31:38 <Preflex> Is this normal?
Nov 26 23:43:05 <DocScrutinizer05> autobuilder defect?
Nov 26 23:44:57 <Preflex> Looks like it.   Not sure what's going on.    Never packaged a deb or uploaded before.
Nov 26 23:52:10 <jacekowski> Preflex: have you uploaded it correctly
Nov 26 23:52:24 <jacekowski> Preflex: sources and other files
Nov 26 23:57:01 <Preflex> I think so. Maemo Extras Assistant said "Thank you for uploading pv. Your files have now been moved to the autobuilder queue."
Nov 26 23:58:21 <DocScrutinizer05> check the build queue
Nov 26 23:58:32 <DocScrutinizer05> when last pkg been built
Nov 26 23:59:36 <Preflex> Mon Nov 26 03:50:53 EET 2012
Nov 27 00:00:34 <Preflex> at least, that's the time of the last entry here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html
Nov 27 00:15:14 <Preflex> trying scp or dput but i guess garage hasn't updated my key yet.
Nov 27 00:19:33 <Preflex> I guess I'll just wait a few hours and try again with dput.
Nov 27 00:29:02 <Drathir> vi____: lol ^^ ad step 1... hrhr
Nov 27 00:46:20 <M4rtinK> Preflex: the autobuilder is down - since november 6
Nov 27 00:46:54 <M4rtinK> Preflex: they are hopefully working on making it work again
Nov 27 00:47:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Nov 27 00:47:14 <DocScrutinizer05> like wiki
Nov 27 00:47:17 <Preflex> Oh.  Thanks.
Nov 27 00:48:22 <M4rtinK> for more info see the recent posts in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59933
Nov 27 00:51:57 <M4rtinK> also according to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1298719#post1298719
Nov 27 00:52:22 <M4rtinK> there should be a conference call with Nokia & Nemein next week that might hopefully clear things up
Nov 27 00:52:50 <M4rtinK> well, shame the Fremantle OBS project didn't progress faster
Nov 27 00:53:04 <Preflex> Yeah.  Bummer.
Nov 27 00:53:15 <M4rtinK> might have saved us all the problems with autobuilder we have now
Nov 27 00:53:37 <M4rtinK> and it really rocks when it works :)
Nov 27 00:53:50 <M4rtinK> (OBS)
Nov 27 00:55:06 <M4rtinK> anyway, good night everyone ! :)
Nov 27 00:55:19 <Preflex> Good night.
Nov 27 02:11:14 <GeneralAntilles>   /clear
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