**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 27 02:59:59 2012 Nov 27 03:12:15 maybe someone know how to add support ac3 to openmediaplayer? Nov 27 03:15:08 mplayer works ok but omp say that cant open file ; cant find sound codec DVD AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder. Nov 27 04:35:35 * Jay_BEE looks around Nov 27 04:36:47 blah... I dropped my N900 and now it's stuck in a reboot loop. It displays the Nokia logo, then reboots. *le sigh* Nov 27 04:38:36 For that to happen, tells me it's a physical issue and cannot be overcome by reflashing. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. Nov 27 04:39:18 Jay_BEE, Thist did you try removing the battery for a mnute or two? is a long shot, bu Nov 27 04:39:50 No, I have not. Trying it now. Thanks. brb Nov 27 04:40:38 Jay_BEE, DOn't get your hopes up. It's a long shot, but can't hurt. Nov 27 04:41:04 I'm not. I'm already of the mind that she's a goner. Nov 27 04:42:52 Unfortunately, I will lose some precious photos and a couple of phone numbers that were not backed up. Nov 27 04:46:49 For what it's worth, I got it from eBay with a warranty, so at best I'll be able to get a replacement or refund. Nov 27 04:47:14 I'd really rather have the unsaved pictures and phone numbers. Nov 27 04:48:45 Jay_BEE, I think there's a power-up option that will make it present the internal flash as a USB drive. THat might still work even if it won't boot, and you could get your stuff off that way. Nov 27 04:50:08 You think. I've never heard of such an option. I would love to know the specifics, if it is possible! Nov 27 05:03:16 Jay_BEE, I googled around, and didn't find a way to do it. I may have been mistaken about that being a possibility. If you reflash just the kernel, maybe it would boot then, without wiping your OS. I'm assuming you did not install boot menu. If you have boot menu, there are many other possible recovery routes. Nov 27 05:04:42 No, I have not installed boot menu. Nov 27 05:06:00 Jay_BEE, If you check back here during the evening in Europe, you'll probably find a lot more knowledgable people. Nov 27 05:06:26 hmm ok.... thx... I'll stick around Nov 27 05:25:04 Jay_BEE: try also get out sim and mmc card and then on the phone... Nov 27 05:25:52 yeah... the sim is already out and I don't have media card installed Nov 27 05:26:03 Ken-Young: its only 6:25 ^^ Nov 27 05:27:12 maybe also try combination with keyboard open and closed...? Nov 27 05:28:19 I've already tried that Nov 27 05:28:23 to no avail. :( Nov 27 05:30:55 sad that not bm onboard... with them maybe will be possible do a backup... Nov 27 05:58:19 Jay_BEE: can you enter the flashing mode? Nov 27 05:58:34 about to try that now Nov 27 06:01:36 Drathir: have you installed decoders-support? Nov 27 06:01:58 if that fails, try to find an appropriate gstreamer decoder for that codec Nov 27 06:06:38 Jay_BEE: if the flashing mode works you can try loading rescueOS, if everything else fails Nov 27 06:06:50 so at least you can copy your data from the device Nov 27 06:10:53 it appears I have reached flashing mode.... should I expect to Windows to mount a drive or do I need to load this rescueOS thing? What is rescueOS? Nov 27 06:27:43 kerio? Nov 27 06:36:22 ...Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Chambliss used directory assistance to call SCP-1750-A and agreed to payment through a combination of funds accessed through a checking account and manual labor threading technetium bolts onto nuts. Nov 27 08:01:23 yay, kerio beats me to it, was about to suggest rescueOS Nov 27 08:01:53 ~rescueos Nov 27 08:01:54 somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Nov 27 08:02:30 i have it now thx Nov 27 08:09:27 Jay_BEE: reboot loop *might* be caused by filesystem corruption caused by sudden removal of battery Nov 27 08:09:56 unlikely but possible Nov 27 08:10:04 meaning a reflash would fix? Nov 27 08:10:10 yep Nov 27 08:10:38 k... i'm booted into reloadOS but get errors when executing mass-storage-enable.sh Nov 27 08:10:53 alas you need to flash /home as well, and that will nuke your MyDocs Nov 27 08:11:10 win xp cries "usb device not recognized" Nov 27 08:11:44 hmm, might be corruption of MyDocs or ~user Nov 27 08:12:06 or defect eMMC Nov 27 08:13:49 iirc we talked some user thru a system-modification that completely replaced eMMC by uSD-card, so he was able to use a N900 even with defect eMMC Nov 27 08:13:59 quite some time ago Nov 27 08:15:39 but first try a full reflash: combined, vanilla, combined Nov 27 08:16:28 after you're done with your efforts to rescue your photos etc Nov 27 08:18:23 my solution to XP not recognizing the USB device is sadly no option for you i guess Nov 27 08:18:45 since i usually turn the device on and connect it to the computer and then it will recognize it when you connect it for flashing Nov 27 08:28:55 Jay_BEE: btw mass storage will not allow to safe your contacts/phone-numbers Nov 27 08:29:07 d'oh Nov 27 08:29:08 afaik Nov 27 08:29:49 you should backup your /home/user/* to uSD card Nov 27 08:32:20 particularly /home/user/.osso-abook/ Nov 27 08:35:19 beware, you might run into doing a backup of /home/user/MyDocs when trying to copy /home/user/* Nov 27 08:35:46 MyDocs however is your 28GB partition Nov 27 08:35:52 * Macer punches his android tf101 in the face Nov 27 08:36:08 they evolved faces? Exciting times Nov 27 08:36:11 now your fist hurts Nov 27 08:36:55 chuck N. Nov 27 08:37:18 Yeah, leave it to internet to turn a horrible american actor into a hero Nov 27 08:37:30 and i use the term actor rather loosely here:) Nov 27 08:38:11 yes Nov 27 08:38:14 says the one who uses the big-breasted artificial archeologist as a nickname inspiration :P Nov 27 08:38:17 it's a widget :-P Nov 27 08:38:29 how many push-ups can Chuck do? ALL of them! Nov 27 08:38:35 tadzik: its actually not really related to lara croft, but more to quake and lava in its DM maps:) Nov 27 08:38:37 haha Nov 27 08:38:44 yeah.. chuck norris is an awful actr Nov 27 08:38:51 but the white trash loves him Nov 27 08:39:33 only in walker texas ranger can you be evacuating a town from a giant bomb getting ready to explode and have people running outside with giant smiles on their faces Nov 27 08:39:54 only in walker texas ranger, chuck norris would have a paid job as an actor Nov 27 08:40:07 oh wait, i might have overlooked The Expendables Nov 27 08:41:13 what happens when Chuck Norris punches his android tf101 in the face? Google breaks into two halves. Nov 27 08:41:32 I wish something would happen to people making Chuck Norris jokes in 2012 Nov 27 08:41:34 something bad Nov 27 08:42:36 I wish chuck norris would kick the nuts of people insulting other people on IRC just for fun Nov 27 08:43:05 i dont think people like chuck norris are allowed to enter my country Nov 27 08:43:11 or at least it should be Nov 27 08:43:35 and wishing something bad to happen to someone isnt exaclty an insult Nov 27 08:44:07 +q maybe is, though. I'm starting to get tired of your teachering Nov 27 08:44:55 if you have trouble ignoring certain things on IRC, this might not be the place for you Nov 27 08:44:58 if you think you're so fucking smarter and better than the rest of us here, why are you still here? Nov 27 08:45:16 what makes you think i would think such a thing? Nov 27 08:45:35 every post of you tells that fact clearly Nov 27 08:45:54 I think this says more about how you percieve these things than how they really are in reality Nov 27 08:46:02 and i cannot disagree with how you percieve things Nov 27 08:46:47 * Macer kicks this tf101 Nov 27 08:46:53 i wish i could run maemo on this thing :-/ Nov 27 08:47:12 can't someone take the maemo stuff and make it boot on a tf101? Nov 27 08:47:13 heh Nov 27 08:47:14 pax, pax Nov 27 08:47:26 don't do those quake deatchmatches here Nov 27 08:47:31 * DocScrutinizer06 appoints Lava_Croft as officila troll#2 of #maemo Nov 27 08:47:41 Who is #1? Nov 27 08:47:48 The Banned One? :> Nov 27 08:47:50 clearly kerio Nov 27 08:48:00 ;-) Nov 27 08:48:02 You either swallow or you are a troll :) Nov 27 08:48:13 DocScrutinizer06: hahaha... yes Nov 27 08:48:19 trollum de jure Nov 27 08:48:25 the shockwaves travel to google and their data centers explode Nov 27 08:49:05 att is so slow where i am Nov 27 08:51:35 Macer, Where is that? Nov 27 08:51:48 well.... a specific part of chicago Nov 27 08:52:01 Aren't cities always horrible for cell coverage Nov 27 08:52:07 nope Nov 27 08:52:09 i have to wait for a special version of gapps to download Nov 27 08:52:13 Well, they are here in NL Nov 27 08:52:14 Boston isn't. Nov 27 08:52:15 so it could be the hackyourlife.org site Nov 27 08:52:16 heh Nov 27 08:52:21 national forests are worse :) Nov 27 08:52:24 no... usually it goes rather fast Nov 27 08:52:28 Anywhere inbetween some bigger buildings and coverage is poof Nov 27 08:52:36 go inside and its even worse:< Nov 27 08:52:44 I don't experience that Nov 27 08:53:03 i don't usually either Nov 27 08:53:09 att lte is actually pretty damn fast Nov 27 08:53:11 You probably dont live in the perpetually underperforming Netherlands Nov 27 08:53:13 maybe because there's a cell tower outside the window Nov 27 08:53:15 albeit a ripoff for 5GB Nov 27 08:53:34 This country is tiny, but getting proper 3G coverage everywhere seems impossible Nov 27 08:53:46 it's lte :) Nov 27 08:53:53 3G is so N900 :-P Nov 27 08:54:00 or N9 :) Nov 27 08:54:17 that too i supose... i thought N9s were "4G" Nov 27 08:54:19 heh, I still use 2.5 most of the time Nov 27 08:54:24 marketing at its best Nov 27 08:54:37 The terms 4g, 3g, 3,5g mean different things in different countries Nov 27 08:54:38 it seems Nov 27 08:54:40 I have it set for the sake of battery usage, and can't be bothered to change it to 3G when I occasionally need something on the web Nov 27 08:54:53 4G = It might be able to Nov 27 08:54:55 heh Nov 27 08:55:07 no wait... It is 3G but might be able to be 4G later Nov 27 08:55:40 thanks to apple for the number brainwashing Nov 27 08:55:44 Not just apple:) Nov 27 08:55:49 telco's too Nov 27 09:01:40 Does anyone have their N900 successfully syncing with google calendar? I had that working until a couple of weeks ago (with syncEvolution) and then it stopped working. Nov 27 09:02:09 Ken-Young: Yes, sync evolution. Nov 27 09:02:22 It can sync multiple calanders and tasks. Nov 27 09:02:35 Does anyone know if autobuilder is still down? Nov 27 09:03:49 tadzik: indeed automating the switching to 3G/dual when starting up microB would be a quite useful thing to implement Nov 27 09:04:09 DocScrutinizer06: Autodisconnect! Nov 27 09:04:43 I doubt the friggin autodisconnect has any concept to do this Nov 27 09:05:20 No, but it does have a 'change from 2g->3g/dual' on connection to gprs internet. Nov 27 09:05:30 vi____, sync evolution give me "unexpected slow sync (local, status 22000)" "error code from Synthesis engine local, status 20048" - any idea what might cause that? Nov 27 09:05:47 Ken-Young: None whatsoever. Nov 27 09:05:55 Have you looked up the error message. Nov 27 09:05:57 ? Nov 27 09:06:18 Also did you use syncevolution front end or set it up from the command line? Nov 27 09:06:18 vi____, I've looked, but not founf it. Nov 27 09:06:46 vi____, I'm doing it from the command line. Nov 27 09:06:52 Ken-Young: Have you tried a complete re-sync? Nov 27 09:07:11 vi____, Yup. Nov 27 09:07:29 Have you tried deleteing the whole lot and starting again? Nov 27 09:08:09 ~googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 Nov 27 09:08:09 okay, vi____ Nov 27 09:08:11 vi____, THat I have not tried. Nov 27 09:08:25 did you follow this: Nov 27 09:08:32 ~googlesyncevolution Nov 27 09:08:32 extra, extra, read all about it, googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 Nov 27 09:09:11 vi____, THanks for the pointer, I'll start going through that. Nov 27 09:09:15 Is the wiki editable again yet? Nov 27 09:09:42 Ken-Young: From that post I was able to set up multiple calendar syncs with task sync. Nov 27 09:10:18 vi____, I had fcron doing everything nicely, then it broke. It had worked for a long while. Nov 27 09:11:17 I think the truth lies in figuring out what the error message means. Nov 27 09:12:53 freemangordon_: ping Nov 27 09:27:37 vi____, It looks like the slow sync might be working. Thanks again for your help. Nov 27 10:08:40 vi____, My google calendar syncing works flawlessly now. You are my hero. Nov 27 10:23:40 Ken-Young: If you figured out something new, please post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your experience. Nov 27 10:48:06 vi____: pong Nov 27 10:48:23 2 questions. Nov 27 10:48:56 1. To facilitate 720p recording, you created a script that stopped tracker, correct? Nov 27 10:49:04 also, goodmorning! Nov 27 10:49:09 hi Nov 27 10:49:28 vi____: stopping tracker is not because 720p Nov 27 10:49:59 but because of the stutter in videos if tracker is running while a video is recorded Nov 27 10:50:24 freemangordon_: Why did you not just ionice the shit out of tracker? Nov 27 10:50:50 it affects all of the resolutions. it is the fix/workaround for a long-standing "recorded videos stutter" bug Nov 27 10:50:56 do we have ionice? Nov 27 10:51:17 as tracker is already niced to 10-15 Nov 27 10:51:25 In busybox power. Nov 27 10:51:26 mmm Nov 27 10:51:27 ok Nov 27 10:51:45 ionice is for nice'ing IO as oppose to cpu. Nov 27 10:52:00 yeah, but there is no such thing in stock bb Nov 27 10:52:06 afaik Nov 27 10:52:32 Hi freemangordon_ Nov 27 10:52:39 vi____: you know what? Nov 27 10:52:43 MrPingu: hi Nov 27 10:52:51 yep stock busybox has no ionice Nov 27 10:53:06 vi____: I feel very very stupid :( Nov 27 10:53:09 freemangordon_: If you can compile a program to be statically linked, that means it does not need external libs. Does that mean you could run a hardfp binary if it is statically linked? Nov 27 10:53:20 vi____: yep Nov 27 10:53:25 freemangordon_: aah, chin up mate. Nov 27 10:53:57 vi____: instead if stopping the tracker, I can just do kill SIGSTOP/SIGCONT Nov 27 10:54:40 and get rid of those 2-3 seconds deay compared to stock camera ;) Nov 27 10:54:43 *delay Nov 27 10:54:59 freemangordon_: We don't have -dev packages thumb compiled right? Nov 27 10:55:09 MrPingu: of course we have Nov 27 10:56:16 merlin1991: how do you think, will STOP/CONT do the job? Nov 27 10:56:18 Installed gdb, hildon-home-dbg what else do I need? Nov 27 10:56:26 MrOpposite: glibc-dbg Nov 27 10:56:30 oope Nov 27 10:56:37 MrPingu: ^^^ Nov 27 10:57:00 MrPingu: it is in SDK repo Nov 27 10:57:19 I enabled that one Nov 27 10:57:36 freemangordon_: I'd try it Nov 27 10:57:43 merlin1991: me too Nov 27 10:58:09 what does the camera-ui do currently when you tab out? Nov 27 10:58:12 keep recording? Nov 27 10:58:13 Well if you have anytime is there a chance of a thumb2, neon enabled, hardfp, statically linked mplayer? :D Nov 27 10:59:45 hm I need to reflash 2 of my n900s Nov 27 11:00:09 gotta swap my -stable and my -testing device (the -testing has a semi broken modem) Nov 27 11:00:12 freemangordon_: are you sure its glibc-dbg? Nov 27 11:00:36 SIGSTOPing a process that has dbus connection will for sure do no good Nov 27 11:01:20 SIGSTOPing processes that are monitored by dsme is a sure way to get reboots Nov 27 11:01:36 DocScrutinizer06: apart from tracker not responding to dbus calls, what else could happen? Nov 27 11:01:55 DocScrutinizer06: hm, I am almost sure dsme will not care as long as there is no SIGCHILD Nov 27 11:02:10 also have in mind bsowserd is SIGSTOPed Nov 27 11:02:19 *browserd Nov 27 11:02:26 dbus will possibly block, or kick the dbus client from list of active clients (== lose association) Nov 27 11:03:11 but who will talk to trackerd while a video is recorded? Nov 27 11:03:57 killall -sigstop /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 Nov 27 11:04:26 DocScrutinizer06: we are talking about tracker here Nov 27 11:04:33 so what? Nov 27 11:04:52 hmm, why the hell pidof does not work for trackerd? Nov 27 11:05:09 you explain to me what's the differences that matter here, between bme and trackerd, and I accept it might not apply Nov 27 11:06:07 freemangordon_: u sure it's glibc-dbg and not libc6-dbg? Nov 27 11:06:11 until then, my claims about dsme causing reboot when monitored process gets SIGSTOPed stand Nov 27 11:06:18 trackerd does not run always Nov 27 11:06:36 MrPingu: could be, not exactly sure about the package name Nov 27 11:06:37 also my claims about dbus not reacting nice to client getting stopped stand Nov 27 11:08:05 freemangordon_: seems not as you said it's in SDK and libc6-dbg is pulled from cssu-testing Nov 27 11:09:16 MrPingu: no way libc6-dbg to be in CSSU afaik Nov 27 11:09:33 DocScrutinizer05: tracker is not run by dsme. Nov 27 11:10:08 Get:1 http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle/free libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 [3547kB] Nov 27 11:10:41 the fuck, what is that? Nov 27 11:10:44 Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 Nov 27 11:10:48 merlin1991: ^^^ Nov 27 11:11:17 vi____: :nod: Nov 27 11:11:20 freemangordon_: I might have cssu-devel enabled? Nov 27 11:11:24 freemangordon_: well what did you upload? Nov 27 11:11:39 merlin1991: where? Nov 27 11:11:45 in -devel? Nov 27 11:11:58 either -devel or -thumb nothing else lives on maemo.merlin1991.at Nov 27 11:12:06 (except tiny extras) Nov 27 11:12:38 yeah, it is in -devel Nov 27 11:12:50 MrPingu: what version you have installed? Nov 27 11:12:58 of lbc that is Nov 27 11:13:01 *libc Nov 27 11:13:15 That one, I posted above Nov 27 11:13:45 ok, install -dbg symbols too (if not already did) and you're good to go Nov 27 11:13:55 MrPingu: Nov 27 11:14:00 freemangordon_: I guess that's your ppoll enabled glibc? Nov 27 11:14:08 merlin1991: yeah Nov 27 11:14:40 Seems I have forgotten I ut it in -devel Nov 27 11:14:54 Confirmed, I had cssu-devel enabled. Nov 27 11:15:56 Sure, I am good to go? I mean libc6 is quite essential :P Nov 27 11:16:09 MrPingu: no prblrm with that. however, as long as h-h "hang", you should run gdb (preferably from ssh session), find the pids of hildon-home and attach gdb to the second one Nov 27 11:16:21 s/as long/as soon Nov 27 11:16:35 MrPingu: to attach to process: Nov 27 11:16:35 timeout for dbus is ~120s iirc Nov 27 11:16:46 gdb Nov 27 11:16:58 >attach $PID Nov 27 11:17:24 better terminate processes than stop them for extended periods of time Nov 27 11:18:08 freemangordon_: Another thing to stop is hildon-notification-daemon thing. Nov 27 11:18:31 It is set in syspart as having maximum priority. Nov 27 11:18:41 So I need to attach it, after it "hangs"? Nov 27 11:18:50 It always fucks up everything when a new notification bubble appears. Nov 27 11:19:33 MrPingu: attaching gdb after a process gets stuck is relatively useless Nov 27 11:19:55 DocScrutinizer05: That's what I thought Nov 27 11:20:17 MrPingu: better run the process into stuck condition under gdb control Nov 27 11:21:01 DocScrutinizer05: we don't know what it causes to "stuck" :( Nov 27 11:21:30 Hence no easy way to reproduce it Nov 27 11:21:35 attaching to stuck process is kinda like doing a post mortem analysis, won't give much more info than what you could get from a coredump Nov 27 11:22:01 DocScrutinizer05: define "stuck process" Nov 27 11:22:17 So I need to run gdb 24/7 till it occurs? Nov 27 11:22:24 MrPingu: no Nov 27 11:22:33 freemangordon_: see `man ps` Nov 27 11:22:41 DocScrutinizer05: bullshit Nov 27 11:22:51 it is either in system call Nov 27 11:22:53 freemangordon_: moron Nov 27 11:23:07 or couting like Chuck Nov 27 11:23:11 *counting Nov 27 11:23:23 it is deffinitey not zombie Nov 27 11:23:33 you said zombie Nov 27 11:23:43 so apply buöllshit to your statement Nov 27 11:24:12 yep, you said stuck, attaching debugger to a process which is not zombie will give you the backtrace Nov 27 11:24:48 along with info threads and all good things like that Nov 27 11:24:49 just like attaching to a coredump will Nov 27 11:25:05 DocScrutinizer05: no, it is not the same Nov 27 11:25:15 and AFAIK h-h does not crash Nov 27 11:25:18 so no coredump Nov 27 11:25:24 pfff Nov 27 11:25:51 It doesn't crash, it doesn't react to touches EXCEPT swipes Nov 27 11:26:10 DocScrutinizer05: ever tried to analize coredump from n900? Nov 27 11:26:14 who said it does - I didn't even know which process you're debugging, since nobody mentioned it last 10 posts Nov 27 11:26:15 *analyze Nov 27 11:26:43 Widgets are frozen and you get the hildon-home is not responding window Nov 27 11:26:52 honestly I'm not in the mood for insult a la freemangordon_ right now Nov 27 11:27:21 find someone else to argue with Nov 27 11:27:46 DocScrutinizer05: read the backscroll then, along with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86804 Nov 27 11:28:16 to understand the background Nov 27 11:28:56 DocScrutinizer05: BTW if you have a better idea than attaching gdb, please share it Nov 27 11:31:02 MrPingu: BTW do you have some screenlock replacement installed? Nov 27 11:31:14 freemangordon_: no Nov 27 11:31:19 ok Nov 27 11:31:48 Rather clean device, as I reflashed 2 weeks ago Nov 27 11:31:50 is extras builder looped on python? Nov 27 11:32:00 MrPingu: BTW did you try to remove all of the widgets? Nov 27 11:33:10 freemangordon_: no, but peterleinchen had the same issues and the only mutual widgets we had were calendar + media player Nov 27 11:33:52 yeah, saw that Nov 27 11:33:54 freemangordon_: Also, reboot fixed it and all my widgets restored Nov 27 11:34:16 MrPingu: ofc reboot will fix it :) Nov 27 11:35:05 freemangordon_: I understand, but sometimes h-h also crashes widgets don't restore Nov 27 11:35:32 though that hasn't happened for a long time Nov 27 11:35:44 MrPingu: did you check what is the CPU usage when h-h is 'hang' Nov 27 11:36:01 Yes Nov 27 11:36:09 normal Nov 27 11:36:15 not good Nov 27 11:37:07 actually first thing I checked as I knew there were reports of h-h going for 100% Nov 27 11:37:40 well, I still insist it is some third-party widget/software causing that prblem Nov 27 11:38:19 The 100% bug or what peterleinchen and I experienced? Nov 27 11:39:08 both Nov 27 11:39:29 MrPingu: btw could you pastebin the contents of /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders Nov 27 11:39:39 ls -al that is Nov 27 11:39:49 Hey, people! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/date.html Nov 27 11:40:05 extras builder is stuck with python Nov 27 11:40:50 from September Nov 27 11:40:53 MrPingu: along with /usr/share/applications/hildon-home Nov 27 11:40:59 s/from/since/ Nov 27 11:41:00 int_ua meant: since September Nov 27 11:44:06 freemangordon_: http://pastebin.com/afh7qFGn Nov 27 11:44:10 thats one Nov 27 11:44:54 http://pastebin.com/HnZdjiex Nov 27 11:46:13 http://pastebin.com/xi582r0n Nov 27 11:46:23 freemangordon_: ^^^ Nov 27 11:49:46 MrPingu: what is touchsearch.desktop? Nov 27 11:50:17 A widget I don't use Nov 27 11:50:31 It provides a google-searchbar widget Nov 27 11:51:05 Also customizable searches in general Nov 27 11:51:44 freemangordon_: purged it and it removes the python loader Nov 27 11:52:32 freemangordon_: what does libstartup do? Nov 27 11:53:16 vi____: NFC Nov 27 11:53:58 MrPingu: any idea why qt plugin loader is installed? Nov 27 11:54:25 Sticky Notes widgets I guess Nov 27 11:55:05 do you use that? Nov 27 11:55:56 Yes Nov 27 11:58:54 You suspect that might be the problem? Nov 27 11:59:28 It's the only widget that uses the qt-plugin loader Nov 27 12:01:58 Peterleinchen did not have that widget so that doesn't explain his freeze Nov 27 12:03:46 MrPingu: yes, but i is possible he has another qt widget Nov 27 12:03:54 It would be nice if he can pastebin the same output, then Nov 27 12:03:57 do you have a link to his list? Nov 27 12:04:03 i cannot find it Nov 27 12:04:14 On the TMO thread, i thought Nov 27 12:08:17 My bad, it isn't there Nov 27 12:08:24 IDK, then... Nov 27 12:11:28 MrPingu: Can you pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf Nov 27 12:11:34 for me. Nov 27 12:13:11 127.0.0.1 Nov 27 12:13:32 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Nov 27 12:13:39 ;-P Nov 27 12:13:47 ;) Nov 27 12:25:50 Anyway G2G, bye! Nov 27 12:46:38 vi___, did you see that dude with the 3 N950s? Nov 27 12:49:30 Hurrian_: what. Nov 27 12:49:50 jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621&page=3 Nov 27 12:50:32 I agree with vi____ :) Nov 27 12:50:33 man, no silver N950s popping up yet? Nov 27 12:50:54 now to get radvd working on the phone :) Nov 27 12:51:33 how good is ipv6 support on the phone anyway? Nov 27 13:05:41 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders where his N950 package vanished Nov 27 13:15:35 3 n950! Nov 27 13:15:41 fool! Nov 27 13:29:10 vi____: yeah Nov 27 13:29:33 I wonder how old is that guy Nov 27 13:44:28 freemangordon_: well he must be employed in some capacity. Nov 27 13:51:37 DocScrutinizer51: could you take me any tips with if good remember talks about wifi optimisation? Nov 27 13:51:54 kerio: yes installed... Nov 27 13:53:09 kerio: ok i will look gstreamer for ac3 Nov 27 13:56:27 vi____: both me and google translate cannot parse :) Nov 27 13:57:16 He must have a job to be able to afford so many n950. Nov 27 13:57:21 He has more than you! Nov 27 14:18:21 3 N950's, but wheres the applications he is supposed to write? :) Nov 27 14:19:18 "I am Rich" app :) Nov 27 14:19:44 'I was rich" Nov 27 14:19:49 er " Nov 27 14:29:36 n950 is only any use for developing for...n950s Nov 27 14:29:58 Despite what whiners whine, it is not a development device. Nov 27 14:30:16 exactly why I'd like one Nov 27 14:30:17 <.< Nov 27 14:30:35 actually, no, put Gentoo on that thing and develop for any platform :P Nov 27 14:30:35 Luke-Jr: You dont, they suck balls. Nov 27 14:30:38 really? why so? Nov 27 14:30:42 vi____: not as bad as N9 Nov 27 14:30:48 worse than n9. Nov 27 14:30:52 nope Nov 27 14:30:55 N9 lacks a keyboard Nov 27 14:30:57 that's a killer Nov 27 14:31:06 n950 lacks ANY AVAILABLITY OF SPARE PARTS. Nov 27 14:31:07 also, SD card Nov 27 14:31:18 Also, LCD rot. Nov 27 14:31:19 vi____: that's only a problem when you damage it Nov 27 14:31:27 Luke-Jr: yeah... Nov 27 14:31:28 also no gamegripper for the N950 Nov 27 14:31:47 I'll take irrepairable over no-keyboard any day Nov 27 14:32:00 so, collector's items in the next 15 years? :) Nov 27 14:32:05 consider how many spare parts your n900 goes through. Nov 27 14:32:09 vi____: zero Nov 27 14:32:15 jon_y: not really. Nov 27 14:32:17 lucky you Nov 27 14:32:29 N950 has problem with its screen too Nov 27 14:32:29 and I've dropped it from shirt pocket to pavement multiple times Nov 27 14:32:50 Luke-Jr: You clearly do not use your n900 as a daily device. Nov 27 14:32:55 vi____: I sure do! Nov 27 14:33:05 I havent had parts fall of my N900 either Nov 27 14:33:08 And you r keyboard is still in good condition? Nov 27 14:33:08 no, I know people for whom it never breaks. Lucky bastards Nov 27 14:33:13 vi____: indeed Nov 27 14:33:18 well, the n950 was the last phones Nokia released before it went belly up Nov 27 14:33:24 I'm assuming replacing the battery doesn't count as spare parts Nov 27 14:33:25 definitely has collector value :) Nov 27 14:33:30 nokia did not release the n950. Nov 27 14:33:45 released/teased Nov 27 14:34:00 last real Nokia was the N9, the N950 is not a consumer device, it wasnt ever released nor did nokia ever sell it Nov 27 14:34:05 old tech does not become valuable. Nov 27 14:34:10 vi____: wrong Nov 27 14:34:24 if the rumours are true, about 12,5k N950 were produced Nov 27 14:34:38 Depending on availability, old hardware can become quite valuable Nov 27 14:34:42 M4rtinK: where'd they all go? :o Nov 27 14:35:28 Luke-Jr: no idea - just citing that recent finish article Nov 27 14:35:47 well, it was a shite device anyway. Nov 27 14:35:53 articles regarding the amount of harmattan devices produced have rarely been close to the truth Nov 27 14:36:04 Lava_Croft: maybe to some landfill next to a huge pile of old NES cartridges ? :) Nov 27 14:36:11 old NES carts are valuable! Nov 27 15:49:56 hi everyone Nov 27 15:50:20 good news from Nokia Nov 27 15:50:58 they are going to fund us for buying the servers we will need to do the migration Nov 27 15:53:35 Hooray Nov 27 15:53:37 That's nice of them. Nov 27 15:55:22 and they are willing to transfer us almost everything Nov 27 15:55:37 ivgalvez, happen to have anything written up on this? Nov 27 15:55:43 Blog, Talk thread, mailing list, whatever? Nov 27 15:56:09 yes, we need to prepare all the communications needed, also with other Board members and Council Nov 27 15:56:15 ivgalvez: Good news everybody! Nov 27 15:56:23 ivgalvez so maemo.org domain and resources is secured? Nov 27 15:56:27 but I was so happy that I couldn't avoid to tell it here Nov 27 15:56:32 ivgalvez, either ping me or Jaffa when you get a summary up so we can shunt it to @mwkn Nov 27 15:56:33 yes Nov 27 15:56:40 sure Nov 27 15:56:43 its brilliant thanks for it! Nov 27 15:57:16 now I need a volunteer Nov 27 15:57:48 to prepare a list of files not already hosted at maemo.org that are needed to keep the devices working Nov 27 15:58:07 i.e. all packages at Nokia repositories Nov 27 15:58:16 all files included in SDKs Nov 27 15:59:44 all these files will be hosted at Nokia for a while, this way we will be sure that they won't dissapear without notice Nov 27 16:00:07 and Nokia will try to transfer the rights fro redistribution to the Foundation Nov 27 16:00:36 as there will be thir parties involved, that will take more time than the migration itself Nov 27 16:00:39 wouldn't one person doing it increase chances of something being missed? Why not collate them on a thread @ TMO? My 2cents... Nov 27 16:00:46 wow! perfect. Nov 27 16:00:54 I agree with thedead1440 Nov 27 16:01:30 a thread 'doing it' makes its nobody's reponsibility :) Nov 27 16:01:58 be back in 20' Nov 27 16:02:02 bye for now Nov 27 16:02:05 yes, that would be better Nov 27 16:02:14 flux one person can still be in charge of ensuring all that is mentioned in the thread is collated? Nov 27 16:02:42 would you mind to open that thread and coordinate the efforts? Nov 27 16:02:59 me? sure no probs Nov 27 16:03:01 I have to write a dozen of emails now Nov 27 16:03:04 thanks a lot Nov 27 16:03:58 thedead1440, sure Nov 27 16:11:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88031 Nov 27 16:11:56 is it ok? Nov 27 16:15:17 great Nov 27 16:15:38 please specify that we nned all the files for both Maemo and Harmattan Nov 27 16:15:43 and all incarnations of Maemo Nov 27 16:16:05 thank you very much Nov 27 16:17:18 ivgalvez: Ask them for ALL the fremantle source code as well :) Nov 27 16:17:31 haha Nov 27 16:18:00 oly shit, that guy on TMO has 4 n950. Nov 27 16:18:04 give us the codes pls Nov 27 16:18:09 vi____: seen that thread, awesome :D Nov 27 16:18:13 freemangordon_: I removed all python + qtwidgets loaders Nov 27 16:19:32 my /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loader/ doesn't even exist anymore, now let's see if it will happen again Nov 27 16:21:34 seriously Nov 27 16:21:42 fremantle source code, I need it. Nov 27 16:23:30 ask freemangordon, he can RE it for you :-D Nov 27 16:23:40 vi____: should i remove nokia maps? Nov 27 16:24:17 kerio: Do you ever use it? Nov 27 16:24:33 Bear in mind it is the most up to date map program on the n900. Nov 27 16:24:39 Although it is utter shit. Nov 27 16:24:43 I do not know. Nov 27 16:24:47 I am conflicted also. Nov 27 16:25:37 speaking of maps applications; what application does work for fast location look ups and support reasonable (sizewise) offline maps Nov 27 16:25:53 what do you mean reasonable size? Nov 27 16:26:33 Nokia maps and sygic, take only 100mb per country Nov 27 16:27:03 I still do not understand your Q Nov 27 16:27:41 vi____: modrana is also up to date Nov 27 16:27:52 MrPingu: modrana! Nov 27 16:27:56 modrana...is written in python. Nov 27 16:28:35 modrana!1!1 Nov 27 16:28:41 all those tiles software give much bigger size, for offline use Nov 27 16:28:42 vi____: wtf is libnavigation0 for? Nov 27 16:28:52 LOL I DUNNO Nov 27 16:29:01 MrPingu: not with reasonable tiles - and modrana has a way of storing all the tiles in a single file Nov 27 16:29:36 kerio: perhaps it is the backend for nokia maps and that worthless location widget. Nov 27 16:29:56 but trying to remove it also removes 66 packages Nov 27 16:30:03 what packages? Nov 27 16:30:09 sensible stuff Nov 27 16:30:11 try it Nov 27 16:30:13 or everything? Nov 27 16:30:15 apt-get remove libnavigation0 Nov 27 16:30:39 nokiamessaging, osso-addressbook, rtcom-messaging-ui... Nov 27 16:30:47 whoa Nov 27 16:30:51 everything. Nov 27 16:31:24 It looks like it is part of the mp-fremantle dependency cloisterfaulke. Nov 27 16:31:43 vi____: nah Nov 27 16:31:54 the community mp doesn't care Nov 27 16:33:28 vi____: wtf is nokiamessaging? Nov 27 16:34:15 it is a discontinued service. Nov 27 16:34:24 it's apaprently intellisyncd Nov 27 16:34:24 kerio: part of the some nokia service Nov 27 16:34:29 *apparently Nov 27 16:34:43 Unless you have been grandfathered an account, do not worry about it. Nov 27 16:35:14 pushserver-service to be precise Nov 27 16:35:28 so i *should* do apt-get remove ^as-.* Nov 27 16:36:12 kerio, from what I know it could be break modest auto-update Nov 27 16:36:28 cool, i don't use modest anyway Nov 27 16:36:29 MrPingu: I believe it is a modest plugin. Nov 27 16:36:38 So imap will still work. Nov 27 16:36:47 kerio: wtf do you use for email then? Nov 27 16:36:56 idk, the gmail web interface Nov 27 16:37:07 vi____: great, another thing for my list :) Nov 27 16:37:31 MrPingu: Your list should come with some warnings. Nov 27 16:37:59 For example if you remove osso-rss-reader, it will uninstall nicely. Nov 27 16:38:13 If you reinstall it it will reinstall UNoptified. Nov 27 16:38:22 vi____: until you reboot Nov 27 16:38:26 If you reinstall it, it will reinstall UNoptified. Nov 27 16:38:42 kerio: optification only occours on first boot. Nov 27 16:38:48 kerio, is right Nov 27 16:39:00 it occurs every boot Nov 27 16:39:04 ... Nov 27 16:39:07 vi____: maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh Nov 27 16:39:12 not maemo-optify-firstboot.sh Nov 27 16:39:31 mmm Nov 27 16:39:38 I need to read those scripts again. Nov 27 16:40:38 hmmm wait Nov 27 16:40:48 MrPingu: add 'sharing-service-ovi' Nov 27 16:40:53 ovi is now defunct Nov 27 16:42:13 I added maps to that script some time, still not optified Nov 27 16:42:57 What? Nov 27 16:43:11 maps is still a valid program, not totally obsolete crap. Nov 27 16:43:44 vi___: I was talking about auto -optification Nov 27 16:43:54 aaah Nov 27 16:44:18 wait. Nov 27 16:44:34 maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh IS run only on the first boot. Nov 27 16:44:41 Look in /etc for: Nov 27 16:44:49 maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf Nov 27 16:45:08 You will see a list of paths to be optified. Nov 27 16:45:29 I added locale archive + nokia-maps to that file Nov 27 16:45:39 but they have never been optified Nov 27 16:45:52 so it is NOT run on every boot :( Nov 27 16:45:56 Becasue the script only gets run on firstboot. Nov 27 16:46:26 You could 'touch' the firstboot flag in var. Nov 27 16:46:39 That would cause it to be run again. Nov 27 16:46:55 But christ knows what else will happen if you do that. Nov 27 16:47:42 /opt is cleaned and stuff is optified Nov 27 16:47:47 and yes, it doesn't run properly for me either Nov 27 16:47:58 maybe it checks for free space and leaves things in rootfs? idk Nov 27 16:48:09 anyway, if you use that script you suck Nov 27 16:48:15 you can't uninstall single files properly Nov 27 16:50:46 In that case just symlink manually :P Nov 27 16:50:58 *dpkg-divert manually Nov 27 16:51:26 I'm too lazy Nov 27 16:55:49 midnight commander, lets you move and symlink in 2 clicks. Nov 27 17:05:36 vi____: I was talking about dpkgdivert Nov 27 17:06:15 Who dares to remove location-home-applet? Nov 27 17:06:50 It's the location widget Nov 27 17:12:27 MrPingu: removed Nov 27 17:13:27 kerio: thanks, added to my script/list Nov 27 17:18:17 off to diner Nov 27 18:50:55 * Drathir like servers not only new one... ^^ gz news... Nov 27 18:55:33 Nokia buys our server hw? well, I always thought colocation is way more expensive than rental of the hw in package with hosting Nov 27 19:00:18 Nokia rather should buy 1 year of root-server-hosting, e.g. at hetzner.de Nov 27 19:00:51 or preferably wherever the servers now are hosted Nov 27 19:03:01 I don't think H-F board should be interested in *own* server hardware located at $random-location, and pay a _lot_ for colocation and even more for (hw-)service Nov 27 19:04:50 Nokia rather should donate the servers recently hosting the maemo infra, incl hosting fee for first year or whatever period they feel tthey can afford Nov 27 19:06:01 aiui the (hw-)servers are neither Nokia's property, nor are they even located at Nokia. Nov 27 19:07:29 so all Nokia had to do is: pay next year of hosting fees, remove definitely nokia-internal stuff from the servers, transfer hosting contract and root access to board Nov 27 19:08:09 change admin-c of maemo.org domain Nov 27 19:13:06 DocScrutinizer05, can you give me cssu irc cloak? Nov 27 19:13:29 there's no cssu cloak Nov 27 19:13:45 and I'm not the maemo GC, that's x-fade Nov 27 19:14:19 I can ask x-fade to give you /maemo/community/contributor Nov 27 19:16:09 DocScrutinizer05, ok Nov 27 19:21:20 ooh, can i get that too? Nov 27 19:21:36 i want @maemo/community/troll if it's possible Nov 27 19:22:04 haha Nov 27 19:22:44 lol Nov 27 19:23:02 kerio: no troll cloaks defined either Nov 27 19:23:08 :( Nov 27 19:23:20 then i'll take maemo/community/contributor, if i qualify Nov 27 19:23:32 I think you do Nov 27 19:23:42 :D :D :D Nov 27 19:24:12 anyway please send me a mail, both Pali and kerio, so I don't forget it Nov 27 19:24:56 council at maemo.org, for Joerg Nov 27 19:25:11 subject IRC cloak Nov 27 19:25:52 and mention you main IRC account nick Nov 27 19:27:28 your* Nov 27 19:27:59 O.o lynx cant acces https strange... Nov 27 19:29:24 Drathir, use *e*links Nov 27 19:29:33 elinks has support for https Nov 27 19:29:46 old links and lynx not Nov 27 19:32:03 Pali: ok , but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces different compile? Nov 27 19:37:11 Drathir: please do me a favour and at least _try_ to improve your english a tiny bit. sth like >>but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces. Different compile?<< (added '.' and Uppercase) would already do wonders regarding legibility Nov 27 19:39:53 DocScrutinizer05: im sorry Nov 27 19:40:05 no need to be sorry :-) Nov 27 19:41:34 it's just that often your posts are hard to parse, which will reduce probability to get any response Nov 27 19:42:44 which is a pity since your contributions are appreciated Nov 27 19:47:06 (lynx) sometimes old obsoleted programs are replaced by a symlink to the new binary. Maybe that's what happens on arch lynx? Nov 27 19:49:22 DocScrutinizer05: mail'd Nov 27 19:49:31 I suggest to use elinks instead of other lin[ks|x]* Nov 27 19:53:12 The problem is with the Qt rotation manager and a workaround is already available at the hildon-desktop's master branch Nov 27 19:53:15 says arcean on tmo Nov 27 19:53:17 wfm :) Nov 27 19:54:04 by the way, can we get qt text input to behave properly somehow? Nov 27 19:54:27 hold-to-sym, not the correct kbd layout... Nov 27 20:08:34 thanks, i try to find elinks arm packages... Nov 27 20:10:19 shit, Go doesn't build in scratchbox :/ Nov 27 20:41:37 kerio: wut? qt doesn't use standard input method? Nov 27 20:41:58 nope Nov 27 20:42:06 WTF?! Nov 27 20:43:14 or maybe hold-to-sym isn't implemented in a "standard" way? Nov 27 20:43:29 there's a "standard" way to disable it Nov 27 20:43:33 which QT doesn't follow Nov 27 20:43:38 and it also doesn't follow my xkb layout Nov 27 20:44:34 hmm, then it's qt fault (regardless of the non working "standard" way to disable, which doesn't mean a thing) Nov 27 20:47:20 DocScrutinizer05: You didn't know? It's a quite common issue why qt apps suck :( Nov 27 20:47:33 * tadzik mumbles something about slow rotation Nov 27 21:04:45 ~jrtools Nov 27 21:04:46 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 27 21:06:07 MrPingu: actually I forgot Nov 27 21:09:07 DocScrutinizer05, ping Nov 27 21:09:29 where are these legendary xchat configs? Nov 27 21:14:02 DocScrutinizer05: do you know of someone who could be knowledgeable enough to "fix" our qt libraries? Nov 27 21:17:27 vi____: ~jrtools/../xchat Nov 27 21:19:57 kerio: hmm, not offhand Nov 27 21:22:27 kerio: I guess the problem is in qt concept to stay platform independent Nov 27 21:22:58 kerio: I.E. qt is supposed to work on e.g. windows where's no X11 at all Nov 27 21:23:39 while we would prefer 'our' qt to not only use X11 input support bot possibly even gtk/hildon input support Nov 27 21:23:56 but* Nov 27 21:25:19 the 'fix' might easily involve some major architecture redesign Nov 27 21:27:09 or hopefully just some minor reconfigurations! Nov 27 21:27:34 though I guess we could keep API compatibility when replacing the qt-internal stuff around decoding and handling raw key input by similar stuff from X11 and/or Hildon/GTK Nov 27 21:30:19 kerio: actually your "hold-for-symbol" vs calssical key-repeat is a good example to check where this got implemented in Qt Nov 27 21:30:32 classical* Nov 27 21:31:00 as is e.g. caps-lock, fn-lock etc Nov 27 21:33:55 DocScrutinizer05: I say! you have converted me to xchat! Nov 27 21:34:04 no more irssi for me! Nov 27 21:34:15 I was irc'ing like a dog! Nov 27 21:34:21 * vi_ notify Nov 27 21:34:27 vi_: he's converting everyone to xchat :p Nov 27 21:34:34 mmm. Nov 27 21:34:41 notify is not working Nov 27 21:34:53 Oh notify is a bit strange Nov 27 21:35:22 You need to give that script executable permissions Nov 27 21:35:59 MrPingu: already done that. Nov 27 21:36:28 MrPingu: talk at me please. Nov 27 21:36:58 vi_: you need to set alerts to beep Nov 27 21:37:10 vi_: I love talking to you! Nov 27 21:37:31 vi_: it only vibrates Nov 27 21:37:58 try again! Nov 27 21:38:35 MrPingu: MOAR PINGU Nov 27 21:38:53 pls Nov 27 21:38:55 Vi_: How are you doing Nov 27 21:39:01 lame.. Nov 27 21:39:05 brb Nov 27 21:42:17 vi____: what's the problem? Nov 27 21:48:27 MrPingu: yo Nov 27 21:49:30 vi_: what you're doing? Nov 27 21:51:47 DocScrutinizer05: trying to get your notify script to work for xchat Nov 27 21:52:34 does it work when invoked from shell? Nov 27 21:54:08 vi_: and are lines in xchat highlighted red when your nick is mentioned (like this line) Nov 27 21:54:09 ? Nov 27 21:59:27 DocScrutinizer05: yes Nov 27 21:59:35 my name is highlighted. Nov 27 22:00:32 and does the notify.sh work when called from xterm? Nov 27 22:00:40 yes Nov 27 22:00:43 vi_: ^^^ Nov 27 22:01:04 then check xchat settings, Nov 27 22:01:16 preferences Nov 27 22:01:44 alerts Nov 27 22:01:54 scroll down Nov 27 22:02:17 umm sorry, not there Nov 27 22:03:13 tab "sounds" (click on any other tab, then use cursor-right to scroll to "Sound" tab Nov 27 22:04:44 "sound playing method" External program Nov 27 22:04:56 yes Nov 27 22:05:12 it says the path to the notify script. Nov 27 22:05:28 that should work Nov 27 22:05:44 it should. Nov 27 22:05:45 heh Nov 27 22:05:53 i will fix it tomorrow. Nov 27 22:05:56 bb! Nov 27 22:06:02 vi_: o/ Nov 27 22:06:47 vi____: sad... irssi is the best of all... Nov 27 22:27:14 DocScrutinizer05: say hello Nov 27 22:27:29 * vi_ lol Nov 27 22:33:35 vi_: hello Nov 27 22:39:39 sorry Nov 27 23:50:21 http://identi.ca/notice/98122043#HarmattanDev is Back Nov 27 23:53:41 teotwaki, hi check http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/ Nov 27 23:56:40 cool Nov 27 23:56:51 I'm not going to start the sync tonight Nov 27 23:57:00 considering it's been online for just a few hours Nov 27 23:57:08 will setup the sync tomorrow or something Nov 28 00:12:21 teotwaki, i am making my personnal backup Nov 28 00:12:27 will tell you how big is it Nov 28 00:12:39 RzR: I don't care about size, no worries Nov 28 00:12:45 i care :) Nov 28 00:13:01 RzR: and you're the kind of people why I'm not making the back up right now. Nov 28 00:13:32 I guess it will here to stay Nov 28 00:13:57 I mean stay as long as we can do that backup :) Nov 28 00:14:53 anyway this is a good news **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:59 2012