**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:59 2012 Nov 28 08:42:34 ping Skry Nov 28 08:43:04 Skry, can you give me link for your n900 linux 3.x git tree? Nov 28 08:43:49 Pali: what are those MR for microb-engine on gitorious? Nov 28 08:43:58 *MRs Nov 28 08:44:54 what is MR? Nov 28 08:45:02 merge request Nov 28 08:45:44 ah, when I looked into all microb* repositories I rebased -engine history for better reading Nov 28 08:46:06 it is only rebased Nov 28 08:46:20 whatever that means :D. ok. Nov 28 08:46:38 clone both repos and look at git history Nov 28 08:46:43 with 'gitk' Nov 28 08:47:52 Pali: https://github.com/skry/linux-n900 Nov 28 08:47:57 ok Nov 28 08:48:00 i think this is the kernel Nov 28 08:48:49 Pali: you'll need http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/kernel3.5/ Nov 28 08:48:58 ok Nov 28 08:48:59 iirc I included the config file too Nov 28 08:49:36 freemangordon, In that merge request I linearized commits Nov 28 08:49:52 Pali: aah, now I got it , ok, nice Nov 28 08:50:18 Pali: why not join #maemo-alternatives ? Nov 28 08:50:29 Skry is ususally active there Nov 28 08:50:33 *usualy Nov 28 08:50:41 what is -alternatives? Nov 28 08:51:25 ask skry for better explanation, but afaik it is because of ALARM Nov 28 08:51:48 for microb-engine, see: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/graph/thumb-testing and http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pali-microb-engine/graph/thumb-testing Nov 28 08:52:16 Pali: ok, I was just wondering Nov 28 08:53:03 note that merge to main repo is not possible, due to it does not have common ancestor Nov 28 08:53:26 it is needed to push --force to overwrite it Nov 28 08:53:41 BTW I have the nasty feeling that gitorious upgrade has screwed up CSSU repo Nov 28 08:56:14 funny, how I'm told about some GMO government decisions in my country on talk.maemo.org Nov 28 09:01:30 Genetically modified organisms??? Nov 28 09:03:11 yeah, it's about food I think Nov 28 09:03:39 haha. Read in reverse GMO is OMG Nov 28 09:06:23 CYBORGS Nov 28 09:13:14 object management group Nov 28 12:37:00 how come the date command does not work? Nov 28 12:37:25 Or more to the point wtf clock is hildon using that is not the 'real' clock? Nov 28 12:38:39 Or what I really mean is, why does the 'date' command not update the clock immediatley? Nov 28 12:44:26 lol Nov 28 12:44:49 i noticed that too... because my rtc backup battery is dead and i switch batteries regularly, and then set the time with ntpdate Nov 28 12:45:03 i guess the clock app just caches the time... Nov 28 12:47:12 it updates if you lock/unlock the screen. Nov 28 12:47:16 What a POS. Nov 28 12:47:25 is that one opensource? Nov 28 12:47:38 the clock? Nov 28 12:47:41 yes Nov 28 12:47:46 I have the stock clock. Nov 28 12:48:06 I have never found a compelling reason to switch to the OS alternative. Nov 28 12:48:47 package name? Nov 28 12:48:59 for the OS alternative clock? Nov 28 12:49:17 whatever you are using Nov 28 12:49:52 I have literally no idea. It is just the 'clock' program on the n900. Nov 28 12:50:08 ah, so the default one... Nov 28 12:50:13 ya Nov 28 12:50:30 my question was if it's opensource, and thus if the behaviour could be fixed Nov 28 12:51:46 In other news, I have replaced that utterly retarded 'osso startup wizard' dialogue that makes you swipe to set the date and time with a zenity dialogue that just allows you to enter a (MMDDhhmmYY) string of numbers. Nov 28 12:52:29 how does one replace that screen? (i'd just remove it completely and put a hook for ntp/gps date setting somewhere instead) Nov 28 12:53:10 r00t|home: It is not so easy to fix. I believe the clock applet has to poll the hwclock. To keep polls to a minimum, it is probably only updated once every 30s/unlock. Nov 28 12:53:39 there is no need to poll the _hw_ clock... you just poll the _os_ clock once per second, like any other clock app... Nov 28 12:53:41 r00t|home: I though of that but that would require a net connection/gps cold start that would take forever. Nov 28 12:53:53 r00t|home: I do not know how it works. Nov 28 12:54:36 is there any serious problem with just booting with the clock set wrong until you have a net connection? the only issue is if i receive text messages or calls before the clock is set, they will be logged with the wrong date Nov 28 12:54:38 To replace startup wizard (SUW) edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard Nov 28 12:55:20 r00t|home: I do not think so, I removed SUW for a long time and just set the clock from the status menu for a while. It seemed to work ok... Nov 28 12:55:37 ...Except that one time I forgot to do it and my morning alarm did not work. Nov 28 12:56:05 Edit the above file, you will see it does some fiddling with locales then runs the SUW dialogue. Nov 28 12:56:12 yeah Nov 28 12:56:51 I just replaced the exec SUW with /path/to/my/script.sh Nov 28 12:56:55 actually the main reason i dislike the startup dialog is that when i boot the phone and put it in my pocket because i don't have time to wait for it to boot, it keeps ending up in some funny locale... Nov 28 12:57:01 #!/bin/sh Nov 28 12:57:01 echo "date $(zenity --entry --title="Set the time/date" --text="Enter the time/date (MMDDhhmmYY):")" | sudo gainroot Nov 28 12:57:23 shouldn't that be date -s ? Nov 28 12:57:31 r00t|home: Well mine is set to eng_gb Nov 28 12:58:05 r00t|home: maybe, it works as such anyway. Nov 28 12:58:23 Crummy busybox date command. Nov 28 12:58:43 there is a locale setting in the startup dialog aswell, and it keeps getting changed because the touchscreen isn't locked Nov 28 12:59:12 aah Nov 28 12:59:23 pocket language change. Nov 28 12:59:42 Perhaps for you it would be better to apt-get remove SUW Nov 28 13:00:38 doesn't seem to be in a separate package... Nov 28 13:01:18 osso-startup-wizard Nov 28 13:02:47 then start a script from xsession.post that will do your connect to the net/update via ntp etc. Nov 28 13:02:52 i'll find out if the phone works without Nov 28 13:03:02 r00t|home: It works. Nov 28 13:03:08 Or at least it worked for me! Nov 28 13:03:18 Just do not forget to set the time! Nov 28 13:03:35 i'd rather use event.d for the date setting stuff Nov 28 13:03:52 Yeah Nov 28 13:04:11 I will be interested to see what you come up with. Nov 28 13:04:15 what would be nice would be a non-gui gps date setting program (aka not gpsrecorder) Nov 28 13:04:42 I imagine there will be a way to do it from a python script. Nov 28 13:05:03 r00t|home: bearing in mind though you will be starting the GPS from a cold start. Nov 28 13:05:09 problem is you only get the data via location api, no easy to parse nmea Nov 28 13:05:18 It could take forever/never getting the time. Nov 28 13:05:27 i use an external gps most of the time, so that is not an issue Nov 28 13:05:34 r00t|home: aah. Nov 28 13:05:53 If only there was a simple way to get the time from the phone network. Nov 28 13:05:54 would be nice to try both ntp and gps, whatever works first Nov 28 13:06:11 there is, but nobody (no operator) supports it? Nov 28 13:06:28 I do not know. Nov 28 13:06:39 All I know SUW is a pain in the dick. Nov 28 13:06:39 _every_ gsm phone has an option for it, but i've never ever seen it work Nov 28 13:07:52 "date and time" settings on n900 also has an "update automatically" checkbox Nov 28 13:07:55 Do you know where thumbnailerd is started? Nov 28 13:08:00 that sure as hell doesn't work... Nov 28 13:08:01 no idea Nov 28 13:08:06 r00t|home: yup. Nov 28 13:10:37 the most fun thing i have is an event.d file that starts pppd on a bluetooth/rfcomm socket so i can dial in from my notebook like with any other phone (just that it connects to the phone as a router instead of the operator network directly) Nov 28 13:11:16 r00t|home: please explain. Nov 28 13:11:37 the n900 by default does not give you anything to share it's internet connection? Nov 28 13:12:07 there is some (payware) app to run a wlan AP (or one could set that up manually) Nov 28 13:12:10 but i prefer bluetooth Nov 28 13:12:20 BT==much lower power. Nov 28 13:12:36 Is there a nice wiki page explaining how to set this up? Nov 28 13:12:51 i tried to register on the wiki months ago but it doesn't work Nov 28 13:14:18 ~ $ grep [a-z] /etc/event.d/btppp Nov 28 13:14:18 description "ppp dialin via bt" Nov 28 13:14:18 author "r00t" Nov 28 13:14:18 start on MOUNTS_OK Nov 28 13:14:18 stop on starting shutdown Nov 28 13:14:19 console none Nov 28 13:14:21 respawn Nov 28 13:14:23 script Nov 28 13:14:25 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Nov 28 13:14:27 /usr/sbin/iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o gprs0 -j MASQUERADE Nov 28 13:14:29 /usr/bin/rfcomm watch rfcomm22 22 /usr/sbin/pppd {} noauth 10.10.10.1:10.10.10.2 Nov 28 13:14:31 end script Nov 28 13:14:33 Nov 28 13:14:39 and then on your notebook, you just setup an rfcomm link and connect pppd to it Nov 28 13:15:29 the only "problem" is that the rfcomm port is not recognized by windows and such as the correct dialup service, so it only works by manually specifying the port (22) Nov 28 13:17:26 (the service isn't registered with bluetooth service discovery (sdp)) Nov 28 13:18:32 nice Nov 28 13:44:30 do you know which script mounts the sdcard / where can i make it mount it as ext3 instead of msdos? Nov 28 13:59:19 Is extras builder dying? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html Nov 28 14:02:54 The sd card is mounted irrespective of FS. Nov 28 14:03:04 (as long as the FS is supported by your kernel) Nov 28 14:03:07 AFAIK. Nov 28 14:18:46 vi____: no, it just says displays a message, "card format not supported" when it tries to mount Nov 28 14:32:23 hi there - is there a way to fix/revert advanced power monitor update on Fremantle Nov 28 14:34:58 r00t|home: I am not sure. Nov 28 14:35:10 Have you looked at the scripts in /usr/sbin? Nov 28 14:35:35 /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Nov 28 14:35:40 mmc-rename.sh Nov 28 14:35:43 mmc-format Nov 28 14:35:49 mmc-check Nov 28 14:36:00 int_ua: autobuilder is out of order since quite some time it seems Nov 28 14:36:26 mmc-mount references 'vfat' and 'ntfs' Nov 28 14:36:30 r00t|home: ^^ Nov 28 14:38:07 rhn_mk0: I have no idea, what happened? Nov 28 14:38:15 Have you tried re-installing it? Nov 28 14:39:03 vi____: the top shelf widget says "starting APMD" and displays empty battery Nov 28 14:39:23 I do not know Nov 28 14:39:36 I would try apt-get purge it. Nov 28 14:39:40 THen install it. Nov 28 14:39:48 I'll try Nov 28 14:43:01 vi____: thanks Nov 28 14:43:11 vi____: replaced it with: exec mount "$1" "$2" ;) Nov 28 14:45:04 vi____: thanks, appears to have helped, somewhat Nov 28 14:50:35 If you learned something new, make a short post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your knowledge. Nov 28 15:19:07 FIQ: Did you get to the bottom of your sip issues? Nov 28 15:19:16 did I have any? Nov 28 15:19:54 vi____: I don't even use sip Nov 28 15:24:07 Oh, I must be thinking of a different user. Nov 28 15:24:17 ...carry on. Nov 28 15:40:02 r00t|home: It seems SUW checks to see if you need the date to be set or not. Nov 28 15:40:12 Then decides whether to run. Nov 28 15:40:27 So you need a check to see if the date has been set to the default. Nov 28 15:40:46 That is easy enough, just check to see if the year is 2009, if so, run your alternative. Nov 28 15:47:47 r00t|home: cssu-t supports ext3 partitions on uSD Nov 28 15:50:06 hm... Yesterday my local gsm mast was not working. Status said "repair in progress". Now it seems to work, but I also get 3g signal downstairs, at -70dBm. wtf Nov 28 15:50:13 did they upgrade it to 3g Nov 28 15:50:37 status? Nov 28 15:51:17 vi____: i'd be doing the 2009 thing anyway Nov 28 15:51:19 The operator has a google maps overlay of faults Nov 28 15:51:30 aaah, nice Nov 28 15:52:25 Yesterday 4 cone shaped things radiated outwards from where I live, and in the center was "2g Services impaired for some customers, repairs in progress" Nov 28 15:52:54 by "some" I guess they mean the other transmitters in area doesn't cover everything the dead mast does Nov 28 15:53:08 probably Nov 28 15:54:27 now if we had a proper cmt with decent servicemode, you could've checked what they're doing Nov 28 15:55:37 hm well, 700kbyte/s downstairs in living room on 3g Nov 28 15:55:38 for example there's a cell-bar flag, that disallows normal phones to connect to the BTS, service mode though can invert that flag's meaning so the phone associates to barred cells only Nov 28 15:55:42 never seen that before Nov 28 15:56:03 heh Nov 28 15:56:11 * ShadowJK wonders how the hell they pipe that much bandwidth to the local tower Nov 28 15:56:37 directional microwave? Nov 28 15:56:56 rather common method Nov 28 15:57:08 oh I didn't think they'd push that much over microwave Nov 28 15:57:25 you can tell by the dish with diameter ~20..30cm on the mast Nov 28 15:58:13 the other operator in the mast has 25km line of sight to their nearest mast with fibre Nov 28 15:58:23 dunno about the operator I'm using tho Nov 28 15:58:25 hmm? why not? even 2.4GHz 802.11N does up to 100MB Nov 28 16:02:27 but actually I heard LTE is a big hoax since they don't have the bandwidth to backbone that they advertise for LTE over_the_air Nov 28 16:02:51 hehe Nov 28 16:03:00 100M? Nov 28 16:03:20 often usual ADSL Nov 28 16:03:25 or SDSL Nov 28 16:04:41 Luckily the telcos here have a competency gap Nov 28 16:04:42 so the up to 100M LTE bandwidth are to a eNodeB that has a uplink of maybe 1M or 10M Nov 28 16:04:59 They're too incompetent to use adsl Nov 28 16:06:20 The former monopoly telco has fibreoptic lines hanging on telephone poles, but they have DAC-ADC boxes every kilometer, so the analog bandwidth gets squeezed to 5kbit/s or whatever :) Nov 28 16:06:43 they can't even do dsl on them, it's hilarious Nov 28 16:08:21 The smallest cell operator has proper fibre running along main roads, and then microwave in towers 50km either side of the road Nov 28 16:10:04 same problem here, no DSL with fibre. It's not exactly telcos' fault, it seems there are simply no DSL<->fibre units available on market Nov 28 16:11:44 my friend lived in a large industrial bulding complex, and he couldn't get DSL since the whole block got fibre. They finally were smart enough to route a copper cable from outside the building to his flat Nov 28 16:11:57 Well here it's also that they installed that fibreoptic thing before dsl existed Nov 28 16:12:07 yep, same here Nov 28 16:12:08 so it's voice bandwidth only Nov 28 16:12:27 it's actually very ISDN centric Nov 28 16:12:56 fibre-vdsl / sdsl surely exists though? Nov 28 16:13:04 so best you can get are 2*64kB Nov 28 16:13:25 we got copper-VDSL Nov 28 16:13:47 fibre-to-home is *very* rare here Nov 28 16:13:48 fibre - vdsl on copper? Nov 28 16:14:24 Yeah we had to build our own fibre here ;p Nov 28 16:14:45 yeah, they link the DSLAM in the switchbox next corner with optical fibre Nov 28 16:15:05 from there on it's VDSL on copper Nov 28 16:15:56 maybe operator rented some of our dark fibre, though I didn't see any new patches couple weeks ago when I visited this area's central last time.. and I would have noticed the excavator Nov 28 16:21:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-high-bit-rate_digital_subscriber_line#Europe Nov 28 16:25:02 Damn. Nov 28 16:25:17 Is there a mobile phone provider that does not compress images like O2? Nov 28 16:28:29 vi____: hmm? Nov 28 16:29:44 It would seem the O2 network intercept images(pictures) and re-compress them on the fly to save on bandwidth. Nov 28 16:29:51 you got image compression on HTTP? Nov 28 16:30:02 Oh yeah, seems many operators in UK and USA intercept web traffic and recompress images to lower quality Nov 28 16:30:12 Is that even legal? Nov 28 16:30:27 some also insert javascript to produce context menus offering full quality pic Nov 28 16:30:40 if you want a single specific pic in original quality.. Nov 28 16:30:45 dunno Nov 28 16:30:48 I guess if they do that's a service they offer to you, and most likely you can avoid that by using a different APN, or by setting up your account on some website they offer for that pupose Nov 28 16:31:35 on one hand I'm kinda sad many sites are moving to https, because my squid proxy wont be caching much anymore, but then again hopefully it puts a stop to intercept-modify Nov 28 16:32:02 after all what's the benefit for operator in doing that? you're 'charged by the megabyte' usually Nov 28 16:32:31 Although, there are companies making transparent proxies capable of intercepting and decrypting https on the fly without browser's notifying the user (except google chrome, for specific google sites) Nov 28 16:33:01 ShadowJK: A MITM attack? Nov 28 16:33:13 ShadowJK: hardly possible Nov 28 16:34:29 well, they possibly can decrypt, but not alter content Nov 28 16:35:20 vi____: simple solution: use a proxy on your own box Nov 28 16:35:28 via https Nov 28 16:36:19 DocScrutinizer05: ugh. Nov 28 16:36:44 I have a limited upstream of 100kb/s on my home internet. Nov 28 16:37:40 What an utter ballache. Nov 28 16:37:51 Why is there something crippled on every network? Nov 28 16:38:12 O2, obnoxious traffic manipulation. Nov 28 16:38:19 Tmobile, SIP is blocked. Nov 28 16:41:38 vi____: maybe you can find somebody with a box with FAAAT backbone who'd be willing to offer you an account ;-D Nov 28 16:42:01 DocScrutinizer05: do you have one? Nov 28 16:42:23 guess what's maemo.cloud-7 Nov 28 16:42:36 DocScrutinizer05: my new proxy? Nov 28 16:42:40 credz pls. Nov 28 16:42:51 adduser vi_ now plox. Nov 28 16:43:25 DocScrutinizer05; basically browsers don't check much Nov 28 16:44:14 so if you have a fancy enough cert with which to sign, browser accepts it, even if the signing key isn't the one the site is really supposed to be signed with Nov 28 17:13:57 vi____: echo foo | sudo gainroot? Nov 28 17:13:59 HELL NO Nov 28 17:33:42 where to find changelog for 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6? Nov 28 17:34:07 on tmo Nov 28 17:34:29 can't find changelog for testing flavor.. Nov 28 17:34:38 it's in testing thread, merlin1991 posted it Nov 28 17:35:19 ohh, no wiki page? Nov 28 17:35:33 the wiki is kinda broken atm Nov 28 17:37:10 ok, thx Nov 28 17:45:57 vi____: no, seriously, every time you echo something to sudo gainroot, god kills a kitten Nov 28 17:49:36 ~seen X-Fade Nov 28 17:49:49 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. Nov 28 18:06:00 Pali: do you expect that to change? Nov 28 18:07:18 Pali: might as well be a zombie irssi session on some forgotton server Nov 28 18:11:37 Doc: By the way, have you encountered a CSSU bug where Opera crashes when started from the desktop? Nov 28 18:11:43 Doc: But works fine from xterm Nov 28 18:11:52 not using opera Nov 28 18:12:09 sounds weird though Nov 28 18:12:59 similar problem happened before with BrainBench (I think) Nov 28 18:13:08 hmm Nov 28 18:13:14 hi all... Nov 28 18:13:53 try redirecting stdin/out to dev/null, use run-standalone.sh Nov 28 18:14:23 check dbus stuff Nov 28 18:14:35 RST38h: that's operabug, not maemobug Nov 28 18:14:36 * RST38h will wait for freemangordon and WHINE =) Nov 28 18:14:54 tadzik: Sure about it? Opera worked fine before a few latest CSSU updates Nov 28 18:14:59 yes Nov 28 18:15:03 tadzik: Still works fine from xterm Nov 28 18:15:06 yes Nov 28 18:15:21 wut? cssu? Nov 28 18:15:21 im testing dillo looks nice, exclude no touch evry place scrolling only right scrollbar... Nov 28 18:15:23 also, I thunk it fixed itself a while ago :) Nov 28 18:15:35 not here Nov 28 18:15:44 how's any of cssu patches going to change the way opera works? Nov 28 18:15:50 it's not a problem with opera the binary, but something related to browserjs it downloads from opera servers Nov 28 18:16:04 any way to reset it? Nov 28 18:16:05 RST38h: does it work for you on wifi? Nov 28 18:16:18 does not matter what connection I am using Nov 28 18:16:24 weird then Nov 28 18:17:33 how do I reset browserjs? Nov 28 18:19:40 you don't reset it Nov 28 18:19:53 you may try renaming your .opera or whatsitsname Nov 28 18:20:08 ah ok Nov 28 18:20:57 not sure if that'd help tho Nov 28 18:42:35 opera works fine from launcher now for me Nov 28 18:42:50 worksforme too Nov 28 18:43:15 also new stuff appeared in speed dial after it stopped crashing Nov 28 18:43:41 ?? Nov 28 18:43:53 which speed dial? which new stuff? Nov 28 18:44:18 some opera specific thing? Nov 28 18:45:12 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders launching opera. If it's maybe already installed Nov 28 18:48:18 opera 11.50.14 WFM Nov 28 18:49:21 a grid of "bookmarks" Nov 28 18:49:47 iirc there was only opera and bbc news there by default before Nov 28 18:50:33 now g+, gmail, google search, opera mobile store (android only lol), opera sports news, my opera, bbc news Nov 28 18:51:48 Maybe I need to reinstall Nov 28 18:51:54 or delete .opera Nov 28 18:53:40 ShadowJK: found '*1' etc speeddials Nov 28 18:53:43 try delete the broser js Nov 28 18:54:42 oh hm, I dont have it anymore Nov 28 18:55:58 was a 115-ish k file in .opera Nov 28 18:57:58 nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/03/opera-mobile-11-5-for-symbian-maemo-and-meegorunning-on-intels-soc/ takes forever to render though, in opera Nov 28 18:58:43 full of javascript to path buggy websites on the fly Nov 28 19:00:43 A'ok Nov 28 19:01:23 KILLED. Nov 28 19:14:49 Seems to work now Nov 28 19:15:01 ShadowJK: thanks! Nov 28 19:33:29 helium browser dont work for me goin to try others avaible.... Nov 28 20:24:45 hm, helium browser is cool Nov 28 20:28:30 works Firefox 17 on Maemo? Nov 28 20:29:37 the re is no prevuilt version, that I am aware of Nov 28 20:53:49 NeutrinoPower: it's basically unusable outside of cssu-thumb, it uses too much ram Nov 28 20:56:24 even with thumb its quite slow Nov 28 20:56:26 and midori? Nov 28 20:57:36 I've used debian's midori inside chroot, its a nice one, but not comfortable to use without keyboard and mouse Nov 28 20:57:51 I suggest opera Nov 28 20:58:01 i just don't get what's wrong with microb Nov 28 20:58:48 I feel opera faster, loading and moving on websites Nov 28 20:59:20 also, multitab works really well, and the zoom function is unique to it right now Nov 28 20:59:31 I use microb when need flash only Nov 28 21:00:25 AFAIK, latest opera works better with heavy js sites than microb Nov 28 21:01:05 but still, I would prefer using fennec.. :/ Nov 28 21:08:36 well, we need to build a debian squeeze armhf chroot. Nov 28 21:08:55 to eek the last power out of the n900. Nov 28 21:10:08 I tried changing ed image to arch armhf. Nov 28 21:10:25 It ruined everything. Nov 28 21:18:56 amospalla: fennec works for you smoothly? O.o Nov 28 21:20:00 vi____: EEEEEEEVERYTHING Nov 28 21:38:27 Drathir: no Nov 28 21:39:01 I meant, I wish it could run Nov 28 22:17:31 have anyone a recommendation for a podcast-player? Nov 28 22:53:55 NeutrinoPower: you know package interface? Nov 28 22:54:07 yes Nov 28 22:54:14 awesome :) Nov 28 22:54:26 http://maemo.org/packages/ Nov 28 22:54:44 ah, thank you Nov 28 22:55:04 yields: Nov 28 22:55:06 gpodder gPodder Podcast Client Nov 28 22:55:08 panucci Panucci resuming audiobook and podcast player Nov 28 23:17:08 is it that hard to get a new N900 as tmo seems to indicate? Nov 28 23:17:36 I checked a few days ago and there was like 5 auctions of new N900s with warranties on Polish eBay equivalent Nov 28 23:17:45 new old stock is uncommon Nov 28 23:18:21 link? Nov 28 23:22:35 tadzik: beware of hongkong stuff, it's refurbished at best Nov 28 23:23:35 http://allegro.pl/listing.php/search?buy=4&category=4978&change_view=1&sg=0&string=n900 Nov 28 23:24:01 there are occasional display-N900 without original packaging but usually mint condition, for 180..250EUR Nov 28 23:24:47 I bought 2 of them, both OK Nov 28 23:26:27 also, warranty is extremely unlikely to be with Nokia Nov 28 23:26:44 and if it is, is almost meaningless Nov 28 23:26:53 but in EU you got 6 month seller's waranty Nov 28 23:27:06 well, yes. Nov 28 23:27:21 if they are a legit business Nov 28 23:27:28 so if they send you a lemon, you send it back Nov 28 23:27:34 yep, of course Nov 28 23:28:02 distance selling rules are also good Nov 28 23:28:03 call them by phone, google their addr Nov 28 23:28:29 I got a year of warranty with mine, I guess it's gone now that I've fixed it myself Nov 28 23:32:01 tadzik: new or only look like new? the best is one who want sell new for 1.2k pln... Nov 28 23:32:33 new what? Nov 28 23:32:51 tadzik: n900 i mean Nov 28 23:33:13 well, mine was sold as new. It looked new and smelled new too :) Nov 28 23:49:12 alas it seems hard to order to abroad from those Polish sellers Nov 28 23:50:54 my 2 N900 were origin Duesseldorf, and that's been fine for me being German customer Nov 29 02:45:43 does anyone know whether telepathy-theonering is still functional? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:59 2012