**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 30 02:59:58 2012 Nov 30 04:20:09 why repos cant be fetch by https, but oonly works http? Nov 30 04:36:28 maybe because of expired certs? Nov 30 04:41:52 ok i will check but not sure but 404 error get... Nov 30 06:29:07 hello Nov 30 06:31:31 heyoo Nov 30 06:32:14 中文可以吗 Nov 30 06:36:28 ɓuı̣Ʈɹɐpʎɐsnoʎɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ Nov 30 07:10:45 can somebody backup http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6.php ? Nov 30 12:38:22 wtf is /dev/input/4, and why do i have trillions of lines related to it in my syslog? Nov 30 12:38:26 and did it drain my battery? Nov 30 12:41:10 er, /dev/input/event4 Nov 30 12:43:08 it's the second time i had an unexplicable power draw Nov 30 12:43:14 DocScrutinizer05: how do i configure powertop? Nov 30 12:43:33 configure? Nov 30 12:44:11 sorry, HAVE to run Nov 30 12:45:34 typical >:c Nov 30 12:47:17 there is no configure, only do! Nov 30 12:47:28 to paraphrase Yoda. Nov 30 12:47:51 run it, lock screen, wait 45 seconds Nov 30 12:50:34 status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon Nov 30 12:50:38 Mounting debugfs...FAILED Nov 30 12:54:06 meh, restarting it worked Nov 30 14:02:40 Hi all Nov 30 14:03:06 Can someone have a look at http://maemo.org/packages/view/john/ Nov 30 14:03:58 Why even the new version was successfully compiled, I can't update the version with a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on the device ? Nov 30 14:17:46 Creteil: because the update wasn't pushed Nov 30 14:18:27 kerio, thanks, I just see the update was pushed right now ... Thanks for the help ... Nov 30 14:21:01 * Aoyagi_joytop waves Nov 30 15:00:45 hm Nov 30 15:00:48 you guys might know this Nov 30 15:01:03 what would someone call that has pin terminals for a standard sized gpio pin Nov 30 15:01:09 female on both sides? Nov 30 15:28:00 huh Nov 30 15:28:27 my phone somehow went from fully working OS to non-bootable OS w/o even modifying system files (at least by myself) Nov 30 15:28:49 now that's something new Nov 30 15:28:58 Er Nov 30 15:29:12 FIQ: well Nov 30 15:29:12 Seems like bootmenu successfully boots maemo, but not using it didn't Nov 30 15:29:15 w/e Nov 30 15:29:18 what did you do? Nov 30 15:29:41 hmm Nov 30 15:29:58 The only significant thing I did was modifying ~/.profile a little Nov 30 15:30:10 But I can't see how that would render the system unbootable Nov 30 15:30:43 (the other things I did was running ntpd and gpSP) Nov 30 15:31:09 i'll try to reboot again w/o bootmenu to see if same thing happens Nov 30 15:32:56 ah, system boots fine even w/o utilizing bootmenu now Nov 30 15:33:03 No idea what happened Nov 30 15:33:06 you're welcome! Nov 30 15:33:53 but it wasn't just some temporary bootup weirdness for just one boot, as I tried to boot ~10 times before I decided to try it via bootmenu to see if it gave some kind of error (not like bootmenu usually does that, but meh) Nov 30 15:34:50 did you perform a n900 full reset? Nov 30 15:35:04 no Nov 30 15:35:15 er, well Nov 30 15:35:22 I did, but that was weeks ago Nov 30 15:35:33 (to see if it fixed my sound issue etc) Nov 30 15:36:00 Ok. Here's the news. Nokia changed my board to new one in n900 - They have new part of boards produced in korea Nov 30 15:36:03 Serial number: I35693803xxxxxxx Warranty: IYES Care Services Nov 30 15:36:05 I Warranty Class: ISHIPMENT + 25 MONTHS Product Type: IRX-51 Nov 30 15:36:08 Handset: IN900 Product Code: I0582644 Start of Warranty: Nov 30 15:36:10 I12-11-2012 End of Warranty: I12-12-2014 Ship-to Country: Nov 30 15:36:13 IPL-POLAND Ship-to Customer#: ILEGPL Factory SimLock: IN Nov 30 15:36:23 spoofy: heard about pastebins? ._. Nov 30 15:37:01 FIQ: yeap but that's important news ;) Nov 30 15:37:14 er wait a moment Nov 30 15:37:25 do nokia still produce new n900s? Nov 30 15:37:30 no only boards Nov 30 15:37:36 hm ok Nov 30 15:37:55 spoofy: WTF?!!! \o/ Nov 30 15:38:26 my friend is working in nokia care service Nov 30 15:38:46 new boards produced? incroyable! Nov 30 15:38:52 he told me that is cheaper for nokia to order new boards than replace a phone to new Nov 30 15:39:55 :D Nov 30 15:40:23 well, I'd think they knew this 20 months ago when they decided to bin all the spare parts they had on stock Nov 30 15:41:23 actually I asked for such move several times - now they actually did it?! I still can't believe Nov 30 15:41:48 also I heard about gray n950.. they just burn them in furnace.. Nov 30 15:42:09 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to ask how much is a main PCBA when bought in qty of e.g. 1000 Nov 30 15:42:22 how about giving them to me instead :D Nov 30 15:42:25 (jk) Nov 30 15:42:38 spoofy: is the cpu still the same? Nov 30 15:42:48 kerio: probably yes Nov 30 15:42:54 :( Nov 30 15:43:06 board produced in korea Nov 30 15:43:13 kerio: what else? Nov 30 15:43:26 DocScrutinizer05: new wifi chip :D Nov 30 15:43:37 spoofy: could you ask your friend how much Nokia calls for such a board? Nov 30 15:44:10 DocScrutinizer05: sure but he's not working in warsow - polish nokia center Nov 30 15:44:26 GeneralAntilles: I smell a unconfirmed rumour story for MWKN Nov 30 15:45:25 DocScrutinizer05: I can give you my imei - just check it... Nov 30 15:45:54 spoofy: sorry? what could I check this way? Nov 30 15:46:26 In what way? Nov 30 15:47:14 if someone is an employee of nokia can check it out Nov 30 15:47:39 DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to run powertop in the background and do some logging this way? Nov 30 15:48:08 nvm.. I broke my usb so I was expect a new phone Nov 30 15:48:19 kerio: long term? well, I guess a while loop would do Nov 30 15:48:36 spoofy: sorry you lost me Nov 30 15:49:11 kerio: there's a parameter to powertop, to specify the monitoring window Nov 30 15:49:58 DocScrutinizer05: No I'm happy right now ;) My sweet n900 will back to me Nov 30 15:50:33 spoofy: that's all fine but I still don't get it what you're telling me, starting with "IMEI" Nov 30 15:51:40 DocScrutinizer05: ugh.. you can check everything about the phone by checking IMEI right? Nov 30 15:53:08 I don't know, probably I could find out about warranty Nov 30 15:53:21 And replaced parts Nov 30 15:53:37 I heard there's a Nokia webpage to check warranty, maybe it takes IMEI for that Nov 30 15:53:43 and whole service history Nov 30 15:53:56 spoofy: I'm not Nokia Nov 30 15:55:00 spoofy: anyway if your IMEI is unchanged then odds are you have no new mainboard in that N900 Nov 30 15:55:24 DocScrutinizer05: new board = new IMEI Nov 30 15:55:33 DocScrutinizer05: hm, why? Nov 30 15:55:38 of course they *might* be able to change IMEI of new board to the one of old board Nov 30 15:55:48 isn't it a matter of reconfiguring rapuyama? Nov 30 15:56:03 No. I have new IMEI and notification in warranty card Nov 30 15:56:18 note.. nvm Nov 30 15:56:55 that's a pretty good indicator that they actaully changed main PCBA Nov 30 15:58:16 They changed the board to new one produced in 2012 in korea.. So they ordered a part of new boards to n900. Nov 30 16:09:38 dang, i *need* to get one of those new boards into my paws Nov 30 16:10:24 spoofy: new wiFi chip? how do you know? which one? Nov 30 16:10:58 That was a joke :P Nov 30 16:11:41 Ehh.. new board with new cpu and wifi chip - a/b/g/n support... in my dreams Nov 30 16:13:54 yeah, 3630 with 1GB Nov 30 16:14:34 though ^^^ might be cheaper than 3430 Nov 30 16:15:29 by now for sure Nov 30 16:16:05 spoofy: could you check your omap revision? Nov 30 16:16:09 though, not really since TI probably not even sells any 3430 anymore, so you either get them on aftermarket for cheap, or not at all Nov 30 16:16:41 DocScrutinizer05: but who will store such (maybe 1000) amount of 3430? Nov 30 16:16:50 makes no sense Nov 30 16:17:08 afaik n900 is the only device with 3430 made by nokia Nov 30 16:17:31 grep CPU /proc/cpuinfo Nov 30 16:18:23 DocScrutinizer51: no Nov 30 16:18:29 the correct place is cat /sys/power/idcode Nov 30 16:18:49 indeed Nov 30 16:18:49 Production ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae Nov 30 16:19:04 Production ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae Nov 30 16:19:06 Die ID: 0c004012 040364fb 00000000 44f60004 Nov 30 16:19:14 cafeb7ae is for ES3.1 Nov 30 16:19:23 3.1.2 has a different value there Nov 30 16:20:24 spoofy: ^^^ Nov 30 16:20:38 yeah spoofy, please share! ;-D Nov 30 16:20:51 cat /sys/power/idcode Nov 30 16:21:23 freemangordon: are you sure that's not GAIA/twl4030? - since "power" Nov 30 16:21:55 /sys/power seems to be a convenient place to put all kinds of random stuff. Nov 30 16:22:06 :nod: Nov 30 16:22:53 DocScrutinizer51: 100%. Though I was wrong, it is not the last uint of Production ID, but IDCODE Nov 30 16:23:07 ES3.1 is 0x4B7A E02F Nov 30 16:23:18 ES3.1.2 is 0x7B7A E02F Nov 30 16:23:29 IDCODE? Nov 30 16:23:32 DocScrutinizer05: I dont have a phone right now. It's still in nokia care service. Nov 30 16:23:39 aaah Nov 30 16:23:51 DocScrutinizer51: the first line Nov 30 16:23:53 IDCODE: 4b7ae02f Nov 30 16:24:10 aah Nov 30 16:24:24 DocScrutinizer05: I'll have it in monday probably Nov 30 16:24:28 seems I need a break till that coffee kicks in Nov 30 16:24:41 spoofy: please keep us updated Nov 30 16:24:48 DocScrutinizer05: no problem ;) Nov 30 16:25:33 spoofy: if your IDCODE is 0x7B7A E02F then your device officialy supports 720MHz for MPU Nov 30 16:25:41 :) Nov 30 16:26:28 official OC or OPP4 ? Nov 30 16:26:38 freemangordon: Woh :D that's great :) I can't wait to have my sweet n900 in my hands Nov 30 16:26:54 DocScrutinizer05: OPP6 ;) Nov 30 16:27:03 err, six? Nov 30 16:27:10 ~omap-oc Nov 30 16:27:11 rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Nov 30 16:27:12 125,250,500,550,600,720 Nov 30 16:27:29 count :P Nov 30 16:27:44 there's no OPP6 Nov 30 16:27:55 or is that new for that SoC? Nov 30 16:27:59 ES3.1.2 has Nov 30 16:28:01 yep Nov 30 16:28:03 mhm Nov 30 16:28:17 so this OPP6 probably is the old OPP5? Nov 30 16:28:41 aka 'official OC' Nov 30 16:28:44 well, it is weird, as the voltage is still that same as for opp5 Nov 30 16:28:49 yeah Nov 30 16:29:16 but with SR in mind, it is still different OPP Nov 30 16:29:36 well, probably Nov 30 16:29:54 "OMAP3440-720" Nov 30 16:30:04 this is how it is called in TRM Nov 30 16:30:09 doesn't matter since the OC fanboys pick core voltages at random anyway Nov 30 16:30:10 * ShadowJK nods Nov 30 16:30:28 hehe Nov 30 16:30:30 beagleboard switched to -720 a little bit after N900 release Nov 30 16:30:40 and 512m Nov 30 16:30:45 DUH! Nov 30 16:30:50 ShadowJK: what core? ES3.1.2? Nov 30 16:30:57 I NEED SUCH A BOARD!!! Nov 30 16:31:01 no idea Nov 30 16:31:41 highly unlikely that they re-POPed the RAM if they could only get 3440-720 Nov 30 16:32:02 DocScrutinizer05: wait, lets see, if it is 3630 we'll have more problems than gaim :P Nov 30 16:32:12 *gain Nov 30 16:32:29 3630 won't fit I guess Nov 30 16:32:43 afaik it is pin-to-pin compatible Nov 30 16:32:53 but not sure Nov 30 16:33:03 beagle was 3530 too.. Nov 30 16:33:17 anyway a beagleboard 3440-720-512 might fit nicely Nov 30 16:33:29 ShadowJK: 3530 is cutted down 3430 Nov 30 16:34:02 s/3440/3430/ Nov 30 16:34:03 DocScrutinizer05 meant: anyway a beagleboard 3430-720-512 might fit nicely Nov 30 16:34:25 DocScrutinizer05: it is 3530, see ^^^ Nov 30 16:34:49 3430 vs 3530 is pin compatible, i'm rather sure Nov 30 16:35:00 won't do the job, SPI(iirc) and whatever is missing Nov 30 16:35:06 it's just different binning Nov 30 16:35:20 naah, you can't connect GSM modem Nov 30 16:35:27 o.O Nov 30 16:35:36 afaik Nov 30 16:35:55 you mix that with 3x30 vs 3x40 maybe Nov 30 16:35:59 and 353 is GP, 3430 is HS Nov 30 16:36:07 *3530 Nov 30 16:36:10 Rev B6/B7: ES3.0, Rev C4 -720 Mhz, Rev C5: 512MB Nov 30 16:36:19 THAT might be correct Nov 30 16:36:25 WTF?!? 3.0? Nov 30 16:36:33 LOL Nov 30 16:36:41 makes no sense Nov 30 16:37:14 well, seems like a simple OC to me Nov 30 16:37:30 as 720 is only supported on 3.1.2 according to TRM Nov 30 16:37:44 and not on all 3.1.2 Nov 30 16:37:47 odds are Nokia found a bucket of SoC that been already POPed with 512MB-RAM OneNAND anyway Nov 30 16:37:56 Maybe the silicon revision was just left out of the info for rev c, *shrug* Nov 30 16:38:07 ShadowJK: yeah, could be Nov 30 16:38:25 DocScrutinizer05: or better with 1G? :P Nov 30 16:38:40 I'm not sure 1GB even fits Nov 30 16:38:59 I was kidding anyway :) Nov 30 16:39:50 again, I *NEED* SUCH A BOARD! Nov 30 16:39:54 me too! Nov 30 16:40:07 DocScrutinizer05: lets wait spoofy to report Nov 30 16:40:28 nah, I'm interested in that board no matter what spoofy reports Nov 30 16:40:45 for a bunch of reasons Nov 30 16:40:50 hmm, I wonder how NOLO will support 2x256 Nov 30 16:41:13 chances are it will be ok Nov 30 16:41:38 as now there are HW revisions with 2x128 (2101) and 1x256(2204) Nov 30 16:41:44 fsckng NOLO should get replaced by uBoot Nov 30 16:42:01 I wouldn;t hold my breath Nov 30 16:42:02 Omap3530DCBB72 Nov 30 16:42:18 ShadowJK: aah, that's better :) Nov 30 16:42:40 2 x 256MB Nov 30 16:42:46 though it is missing one 0 at the end Nov 30 16:43:15 BTW I am not sure 1G will make sense in n900 Nov 30 16:43:20 hm Nov 30 16:43:31 this will suck the battery in no time Nov 30 16:43:37 seems I said exactly that, some lines up Nov 30 16:43:51 DocScrutinizer05: i've missed it Nov 30 16:44:04 [2012-11-30 17:38:40] I'm not sure 1GB even fits Nov 30 16:44:17 this is C4 manual and 2 x 256MB refers to 256 ram and 256 onenand Nov 30 16:44:39 hmm Nov 30 16:44:44 :-/ Nov 30 16:45:04 freemangordon; I'd find 5x ram power use increase acceptable for 4x the ram :0 Nov 30 16:45:10 RPi has older SoC than n900, ain't? Nov 30 16:45:20 so screw beagleboard, get the SoC of pre Nov 30 16:45:35 Rev C5 is 512M ram Nov 30 16:45:45 and Beagleboard-xm is more N9-like Nov 30 16:45:51 with gig of ram, iirc Nov 30 16:46:25 ah no, still 512 Nov 30 16:46:30 ShadowJK: you can;t fill 1G on n900 Nov 30 16:46:41 well, with normal usage Nov 30 16:46:42 addr line missing iirc Nov 30 16:46:52 freemangordon: except for IO Nov 30 16:46:57 freemangordon; i can! Nov 30 16:47:01 :D Nov 30 16:47:01 on POP IF Nov 30 16:47:05 just from web browsing Nov 30 16:47:21 ShadowJK: what do you run on your n900? LAMP? Nov 30 16:47:35 microb is enough Nov 30 16:47:38 well, L is here, btu what about the others? Nov 30 16:47:42 fennec and I'll need 2 gigs Nov 30 16:48:03 actually fennec will fly with 512 Nov 30 16:48:43 but yeah, as Pooh says... Nov 30 16:48:46 I'd be more than happy with 512MB RAM Nov 30 16:49:09 hell, with 1gb you could do a slow boot and then keep EVERYTHING in ram Nov 30 16:49:13 * ShadowJK accidentalled was up to about 800M swap use yesterday Nov 30 16:49:23 WHAAAT? Nov 30 16:49:37 it'd probably been fine but suddenly all browser windows wanted to render simulatenously Nov 30 16:49:47 * freemangordon never goes above 180-190 Nov 30 16:49:51 LOL Nov 30 16:49:57 and it was doing 8 megabytes/sec to/from swap for an hour before I killed microb lol Nov 30 16:50:02 :D Nov 30 16:50:05 hehe Nov 30 16:50:18 ShadowJK: -thumb? Nov 30 16:50:27 seen that with just ONE friggin microB window with some idiotic JS Nov 30 16:50:37 * ShadowJK is currently at about 400M swap in use on N800 too, that a-data uhs-i card really makes it fly Nov 30 16:50:52 ShadowJK: so it's a good card? Nov 30 16:51:20 but microb leaks a shitton more memory on Diablo 4 too, so most of that 400M is leaked, though heap fragmentation does make alot if it active anyways.. Nov 30 16:51:31 freemangordon; not on this device Nov 30 16:52:32 ShadowJK: I'd strongly recommend it, it fits perfectly for heavy multitasking and high memory usage Nov 30 16:52:43 kerio; it seemed a bit unreliable at first, but my N800 has run over a week of heavy use on it now Nov 30 16:52:54 why aren't you using it on your n900? Nov 30 16:53:01 and why are you using a n800? Nov 30 16:53:12 freemangordon; it's on my backup n900 waiting for this N900 to die :P Nov 30 16:53:19 hehe Nov 30 16:53:31 N900's swap algorithm is better Nov 30 16:53:39 N800 has the standard linux swap Nov 30 16:54:17 ShadowJK: I hope your primary n900 won;t die anytime soon Nov 30 16:54:34 * ShadowJK waited for his last N900 to die before doing PR1.3 to 1.3.1 update too :-/ Nov 30 16:54:44 yeah, freemangordon still hasn't updated cssu-thumb to the latest -testing Nov 30 16:54:47 :[ Nov 30 16:55:01 ShadowJK: what the hell Nov 30 16:55:06 1.3 to 1.3.1 is *one package* Nov 30 16:55:10 kerio: check CSSU-testing thread on TMO Nov 30 16:55:45 When/if one thing goes wrong, many things start going wrong :-( Nov 30 16:55:49 kerio: I WILL NOT update -thumb until -testinng is stable enough for my taste. Having in mind the userbase Nov 30 16:56:06 * ShadowJK is nervous about updating main n900 since I like/use N900 so much :s Nov 30 16:56:25 ShadowJK: the fact that you're nervous means that you don't have nearly enough backups Nov 30 16:57:30 I do Nov 30 16:57:58 so...? Nov 30 16:58:10 * ShadowJK also has archived copies of N900 #1 and N900 #2 / at time of death too Nov 30 16:58:22 restoring seems to be a annoying task Nov 30 16:58:48 ...it's 5 keys Nov 30 16:59:04 well, i suppose that if you *really* screw up you also have to reflash with robbiethe1st's image first Nov 30 16:59:04 and for some reason tracker ignores old DCIM videos and pictures afterwards Nov 30 17:00:15 i don't do backupmenu Nov 30 17:00:24 I'd have to switch on/off all the time wouldn't I? Nov 30 17:00:46 meh, once in a while Nov 30 17:01:16 the once in a while crash is annoying enough :/ Nov 30 17:01:18 i end up making a full backup every 4 days or so Nov 30 17:01:37 * ShadowJK ends up booting N900 once a month or so Nov 30 17:02:18 dunno really what's causing it, IO just stalls Nov 30 17:03:00 afaict no in-flight IO to *mmc, nothing in dmesg about mmc problems Nov 30 17:03:13 like the kernel just locked up mmc IO :/ Nov 30 17:03:42 * ShadowJK has been meaning to check if anything in /syspart is approaching memory limits right before this thing happens Nov 30 17:09:36 kerio; btw I've found online a Sandisk UHS-I microsdhc in some "android edition" that I'm hoping would more geared towards IOPS, the marketing seems to vaguely hint at it Nov 30 17:09:46 but I'm not convinced Nov 30 17:28:48 ShadowJK: you really should use BM, it's good for you :-) Nov 30 17:29:02 even if only used once a month Nov 30 17:29:22 but I hate BSOD/crashing/freezing/booting :-/ Nov 30 17:29:49 yeah, annoying that fremantle needs a boot after core lib update ;-P Nov 30 17:30:44 but actually that's virtually the only feasible way to get an umounted rootfs Nov 30 17:32:04 backing up /home and Mydocs seems to mostly work though Nov 30 17:32:12 except the tracker issue after restoring Nov 30 17:33:11 and I can do it over wifi without needing reboots Nov 30 17:33:33 ShadowJK: it's also somewhat annoying to restore Nov 30 17:33:40 yes Nov 30 17:33:50 but my goal is to only do that when N900 dies Nov 30 17:33:52 :P Nov 30 17:34:10 don't complain about being scared of losing stuff with your n900 when you do updates then Nov 30 17:34:24 you chose to be scared Nov 30 17:34:25 well dunno Nov 30 17:34:28 by not doing BM backups Nov 30 17:34:35 painless backup with annoying restore Nov 30 17:34:51 or painful backups with less annoying restore Nov 30 17:34:58 >painful Nov 30 17:35:21 boot, b t s s q Nov 30 17:35:45 or boot, b t s s, connect usb, w, copy files, disconnect usb, q Nov 30 17:36:03 booting is pretty annoying too Nov 30 17:36:17 ...no it's not? Nov 30 17:36:19 opening everything again Nov 30 17:36:34 heh, i keep everything closed Nov 30 17:36:40 maybe it's that Nov 30 17:37:31 * ShadowJK always has atleast 2 x-terms (+ 3 screen sessions) and xchat open Nov 30 17:38:01 and then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/ Nov 30 17:38:20 NIN102: what's the tab key in rescueos? Nov 30 17:38:46 damn, what's painful in doing a BM full image when you need to boot anyway? not liking to reboot is a bogus argument, since this forbids any decent updating Nov 30 17:39:21 DocScrutinizer05: what's the ctrl+key combination for escape, in unix? Nov 30 17:39:21 kerio I forgot. I didn't create this keymap, so just try :P Nov 30 17:39:25 "when I need to boot anyway" rarely I'm close to any backup machine? Nov 30 17:39:46 I do BM backups maybe every 8 to 12 weeks, in between automated rsync backups Nov 30 17:40:03 ctrl-[ iirc Nov 30 17:40:57 DocScrutinizer05: crap, no [ in rescueOS either Nov 30 17:42:58 what about ctrl-i? Nov 30 17:43:09 that's TAB Nov 30 17:43:11 huh, why didn't it work? :o Nov 30 17:43:19 ah crap i was trying fn+key Nov 30 17:43:23 * kerio is teh dumb Nov 30 17:44:11 so where does backupmenu install itself anyway? initfs? Nov 30 17:44:36 ShadowJK: no, /etc/bootmenu.d/ and /usr/share/ Nov 30 17:44:53 where does bootmenu install? Nov 30 17:44:59 a hook in preinit Nov 30 17:45:01 is that the thing that reflashes kernel on boot Nov 30 17:45:08 no, that's multiboot Nov 30 17:45:08 nope Nov 30 17:45:16 oh Nov 30 17:45:47 so it's that thing that runs-if-exists and keypad open? Nov 30 17:45:52 yes Nov 30 17:50:58 Pali: recovery-boot idea: run the shell in a while loop, so you can't accidentally ^d it Nov 30 18:07:13 hrmpf, it's the second time that the welcome screen shows up without any reason Nov 30 18:09:20 i bet it's recovery-boot's fault Nov 30 20:13:48 android doesnot show any mobile hotspot? Nov 30 20:20:31 i bet that Quix0te used an old version of ZNC and the stickychan module Nov 30 21:02:24 kerio: that sounds like you've got experience there :D Nov 30 21:02:59 yep Nov 30 21:22:16 hmm? Nov 30 21:22:33 WTF is Quix0te? Nov 30 21:28:58 a spanish novel by cervantes. Nov 30 21:29:23 kerio: what was the noob class you recommended me for nethack? Nov 30 21:29:32 DocScrutinizer05: the other interpretation is all the lines like this: Quix0te (~Quix0te@unaffiliated/quix0te) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Excess Flood) Nov 30 21:30:01 vi_: dwarf valk Nov 30 21:30:28 also, what abou unnethack? Nov 30 21:30:48 the mines will be mostly peaceful, you're lawful so you can get excalibur at level 5 by dipping your sword in a fountain, you get speed at level 7 Nov 30 21:30:57 what about it? Nov 30 21:31:11 dude! NO SPOILERZ. Nov 30 21:31:32 NO SPOILERZ means that you'll ascend in about 10 years Nov 30 21:31:33 should I play it or NH vanilla? Nov 30 21:31:44 after writing your own spoilers Nov 30 21:32:14 kerio: meh, thats fine. Nov 30 21:32:24 it's not, it's *boring* Nov 30 21:33:17 well, unnethack's interface is better Nov 30 21:33:22 but overall it's a harder game Nov 30 21:33:37 also, it fucks up the dragon color coding, which is something that greatly upsets me Nov 30 21:33:58 i've been pestering bhaak to make him fix it, but he still hasn't done that ._. Nov 30 21:34:16 what a dick. Nov 30 21:34:26 have you played doomrl? Nov 30 21:35:16 yes i have Nov 30 21:35:18 didn't really like it Nov 30 21:39:23 I thought it was kinda neat. Nov 30 21:39:36 not many rl s with gunz. Nov 30 21:43:20 heh, slashem Nov 30 21:53:40 and then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/ Nov 30 21:53:49 *that* thing should be possible to automate easily Nov 30 21:55:11 wtf is chanmode anyway? Nov 30 21:55:56 I guess he means /chanopt Nov 30 22:20:07 neither seems to work Nov 30 22:22:21 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like a windoze mouse nudger wondering what might be a hotkey Nov 30 22:25:43 hmm, seems xchat specific Nov 30 22:31:26 I probably should switch from Konversation to xchat on X86 Nov 30 22:37:39 ~botsnack Nov 30 22:37:39 joerg_rw_: thanks Nov 30 23:14:25 Hi, I thought this would be a nice place to inquire about N900 or Maemo in general...isn't it? Nov 30 23:14:40