**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 01 02:59:58 2012 Dec 01 05:11:41 quiet earth? Dec 01 05:12:14 or has christel /set * +q * ? Dec 01 08:16:05 yay, new victim! Dec 01 08:16:09 *user! Dec 01 10:10:00 DocScrutinizer05: hey Dec 01 10:10:05 DocScrutinizer05: 2 things... Dec 01 10:11:12 DocScrutinizer05: first; I don't know if reggie is willing to continue running tmo, I asked him some time ago about and had no response Dec 01 10:11:50 DocScrutinizer05: second; I want to move my / but some things do not copy properly Dec 01 10:12:37 DocScrutinizer05: setting up grub2 worked flawlessly from within my running system but I don't know how to move hardlinks from scratchbox properly Dec 01 11:09:09 is 46 wakeups/s bad? Dec 01 11:40:49 you know nokia is fail when they start selling their phones at radio shack Dec 01 11:43:18 Because RadioShack is an evil large corporation? Dec 01 11:44:42 Aoyagi: because americans have no idea that nokia used to make all kinds of phones Dec 01 11:44:55 and selling cheap phones is not necessarily a bad things Dec 01 11:45:02 *a bad thing Dec 01 11:45:04 Oh I think 3310 is quite famous even among derpmuricans :) Dec 01 11:47:01 Nokia as a brand is percieved differently in the US as opposed to Europe Dec 01 11:47:09 But Nokia doesn't seem to care about anything else than brown-nosing Microsoft and maaaybe selling some Ashas. Dec 01 11:48:23 >elop Dec 01 11:48:34 Pretty much... Dec 01 11:48:36 Elop is good to blame for everything Dec 01 11:48:54 Yes, the global warming is his fault, of course. Dec 01 11:49:25 OPK did much more damage to Nokia than Elop Dec 01 11:49:53 He did? Dec 01 11:50:15 He is responsible for leaving Nokia to Elop in it's current state Dec 01 11:51:17 I thought he received an offer he couldn't refuse. Dec 01 11:51:20 Under his leadership Nokia wasn't able to put out a real competitor to the iPhone Dec 01 11:51:27 the n900! Dec 01 11:51:31 !!! Dec 01 11:52:01 !!!!!!!!!1!1 Dec 01 11:52:05 Aoyagi: did you buy one yet Dec 01 11:52:15 Not yet, will take time... Dec 01 11:52:32 I don't think it was about 'competition' directly with phones. From what I've seen, it was a purely marketing thing. Dec 01 11:53:10 'Look, we have a weird guy in a turtle neck, buy our crapphy phones!" Dec 01 11:53:16 People: K. Dec 01 11:53:18 the first iphone was a pretty awful thing, yes Dec 01 12:21:04 deepy\SIGSEGV: did you fix your n900 eventually? Dec 01 12:32:21 maemo5 has no GUI option for "remember wifi password for EAP/TTLS+GTC auth" Dec 01 12:32:48 really annoying if I must enter password every time when connecting to wifi Dec 01 12:33:33 I found that password can be stored to gconf key /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/%s/EAP_GTC_passcode and then proprietary eapd daemon can use it Dec 01 12:34:47 I'd like to see *working* daemon which can connect to any network Dec 01 12:34:59 also on desktop, NetworkManager is not good solution Dec 01 12:35:27 is there *any* normal and working network daemon? Dec 01 12:35:57 connman is geared towards embedded use, but I think it lacks extensive gui atm Dec 01 12:36:34 Skry, I can use anything working for my desktop Dec 01 12:37:10 text file configuration is still better then non-working app Dec 01 12:38:03 NetworkManager has support for TTLS+GTC, but for unknown reason in both gnome & kde GUI is missing GTC checkbox Dec 01 12:39:29 Pali: wicd maybe? Dec 01 12:39:34 and funny is my patch for KDE4 network-manager GUI for GTC chechbox: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-December/006516.html Dec 01 12:39:54 kerio, has wicd support for *system* profiles? Dec 01 12:40:08 e.g. autoconnect to wifi without need to start some X application Dec 01 12:41:27 what I need is: Start notebook and be sure that it connect to some preconfigured wifi network in range without need to login as some user Dec 01 12:43:02 Pali: netcfg in arch does just that amongst other things, it's a bunch of scripts. I dont know if it is available and/or adapted to any other ditros though Dec 01 12:43:45 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netcfg Dec 01 12:44:44 Skry, is that netcfg connecting to wifi network automatically? Dec 01 12:44:45 wicd is also good, but iirc it is not maintained anymore Dec 01 12:44:50 yes Dec 01 12:44:58 if you configure it to do so Dec 01 12:45:33 so then it have to daemon (not only shell script) Dec 01 12:46:54 it uses wpa_actiond for automatic / roaming support Dec 01 12:47:24 Skry, is there also support for ethernet 802.1X authentification? Dec 01 12:47:36 no idea Dec 01 12:49:45 anyway, it's just a bunch of scripts to wrap around the usual command line tools for networking to make it easy to setup networking in minimalistic way Dec 01 12:50:03 ok, I will look at it Dec 01 12:50:25 thanks! Dec 01 12:50:35 np Dec 01 13:10:13 oh joy, my mother spilled some coffee on her laptop Dec 01 13:11:19 whelp. at least that isn't acidic. Dec 01 13:11:45 but meh, too much trouble to clean that up. Dec 01 13:11:52 Hurrian: indeed Dec 01 13:12:17 and it's a macbook, so beyond removing battery and hard drive, i'm worried that i'll do more damage than the coffee by disassembling it Dec 01 13:14:51 luckily i had a tri-wing screwdriver and a torx screwdriver so at least i was able to do *something* Dec 01 13:17:08 ouch, expensive. Dec 01 13:19:27 nah, they didn't cost a lot Dec 01 13:19:33 15€ for both, iirc Dec 01 13:19:45 >:D Dec 01 13:22:45 I meant the macbook. Hope it still has Applecare or something. Dec 01 13:23:01 well, it wasn't a lot of coffee, so maybe the liquid sensors weren't tripped Dec 01 13:23:05 anyway, still works fine apparently Dec 01 13:23:06 so idk Dec 01 13:23:24 Does it smell like coffee? Dec 01 13:23:34 Well, at least it wasn't OJ. Dec 01 13:23:43 Hurrian: it does Dec 01 13:24:34 ouch, optical drive not working Dec 01 13:24:53 uh-oh. power down now, and dry the whole thing. Dec 01 13:24:55 and the disks come out coated in coffee Dec 01 13:25:17 kerio, did the owner make any effort to lap up said coffee in disc? Dec 01 13:25:18 how the fuck am i supposed to dry it Dec 01 13:25:47 disassemble it. Dec 01 13:26:01 actually, I think that the disc drive may have went potato. Dec 01 13:26:12 i already did it, disassembling the optical drive involves a satanic ritual Dec 01 13:26:14 lasers don't like being damaged electically. Dec 01 13:27:12 apparently the subwoofer sits on it and the antennas for wifi and bluetooth ride around it Dec 01 13:27:16 so HELL NAW, i'm not touching that Dec 01 13:27:36 if the logic board is reasonably uncaffeinated, you can prolly get away with replacing the drive Dec 01 13:27:40 indeed Dec 01 13:27:49 i actually have a spare optical drive for macbooks laying around Dec 01 13:28:10 but i feel that if i actually installed it, she wouldn't learn to keep her coffee away from her laptop Dec 01 13:28:36 quick question, did the event occur with Starbucks brand coffee? Dec 01 13:28:50 or did it happen in a coffee shop of sorts Dec 01 13:29:21 oh right, i forgot that the rest of the world doesn't know what a proper coffee is Dec 01 13:29:28 Hurrian: think a starbucks espresso Dec 01 13:29:35 so it's actually very little coffee Dec 01 13:30:04 technically, a frappawhappamasachino with extra cream. Dec 01 13:30:18 and it happened like 10 minutes ago in our house Dec 01 13:30:48 I guess what complicates the situation is the rubber that makes the discs sit nicely when slot loaded must've sucked up some of that. Dec 01 13:30:54 yep :D Dec 01 13:30:56 Oh, and the disc slot motors. Dec 01 13:31:00 and i have no idea how to even access that Dec 01 13:31:06 They must be drenched. Dec 01 13:31:55 the felt thing definetely is Dec 01 13:50:52 Hurrian: neat, the optical drive actually works apparently Dec 01 13:51:04 kerio, drained it? Dec 01 13:51:19 just tried multiple times with a disc, cleaning it as it came out Dec 01 14:03:30 the keyboard has a couple of stuck keys, but it still hasn't drained properly i think Dec 01 16:17:43 espresso? forget it, without cleaning it's dead tomorrow Dec 01 16:21:12 DocScrutinizer05: it's mostly dead right now actually :( Dec 01 16:22:01 oh well, maybe we can try to abuse the extended warranty to get free repairs Dec 01 16:24:32 I forget, what do I need for ssh pubkey login to user on n900 to work? Dec 01 16:25:00 oh Dec 01 16:25:03 silly me Dec 01 16:25:24 * ShadowJK was in a term on pc that was already logged in on n900, trying to ssh n900 Dec 01 16:25:39 hello Dec 01 16:26:46 hi Dec 01 16:27:03 ShadowJK: hehe Dec 01 16:27:08 bye Dec 01 16:27:18 DocScrutinizer05: when you say "cleaning", you mean...?^ Dec 01 16:28:04 disassembly everything then clean with water then clean with distilled water then dunk in alcohol? Dec 01 16:28:19 disassemble, REMOVE BATTERY(!!), rinse thoroughly with clear water, then with ethanol, dry, dry, dry again Dec 01 16:28:35 yeah, that procedure stops at "disassemble" Dec 01 16:28:51 because apple Dec 01 16:29:02 even before, since now it's too late Dec 01 16:29:04 hey again Dec 01 16:29:12 hi again Dec 01 16:29:20 quick question.. Dec 01 16:30:05 lets say i have an application that i wanna edit some menu text and stuff Dec 01 16:30:13 any ideas? Dec 01 16:30:43 depends Dec 01 16:31:01 on? Dec 01 16:31:49 a lot of things. I'm busy, but I'm sure others here will mention *.po, and scratchbox, and hexedit Dec 01 16:32:05 DocScrutinizer05: you're always busy! :( Dec 01 16:32:40 that's why I'm not really a good councilor Dec 01 16:33:00 heh well where do i find the .po files? Dec 01 16:33:08 and of course because I'm a grumpy old fart Dec 01 16:34:32 you'd probably better tell the name of that ap. since it also depends on it being a Qt app, or a GTK app, or wtf-else-app Dec 01 16:35:04 bbl Dec 01 16:35:19 its piergo Dec 01 16:36:00 pierogi* Dec 01 16:36:56 OHN900: well, it's opensource Dec 01 16:37:20 OHN900: grab the source, change the changeable, recompile Dec 01 16:37:57 okay..where would i find the source? Dec 01 16:38:08 repo? Dec 01 16:42:39 ~#maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 01 16:42:39 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 01 16:43:12 ~tell OHN900 about pkg Dec 01 17:23:03 really interesting that Nokia is willing to give financial assistance for the move to Hildon Foundation Dec 01 17:27:50 why? Dec 01 17:29:24 Nokia should be happy to 'be allowed' to show that they care. Otherwise it's not unlikely that some class action would be pending, since they basically discontinue support they implicitly sold with their products only 2 years ago Dec 01 17:32:09 i suppose you are right. the legal aspect of the whole affair isn't so understandable to me Dec 01 17:32:30 there are several cases at court been decided that all say a customer has a _right_ to expect a reasonable timespan of support from manufacturer for a product he bought, even after warranty expires Dec 01 17:33:37 depending on sales price this timespan may easily exceed 5 years, during which manufacturer is supposed to keep up web services, offer repair service, etc Dec 01 17:34:50 think of a car you buy, costs 120k-bucks. after 6 months they tell you: spark plugs for this model aren't built anymore, you can basically shredder it Dec 01 17:35:11 heh :p Dec 01 17:36:20 unlike USA we got some rights regarding this, here in EU Dec 01 17:38:12 in USA aiui they can sell you any crap that breaks down after 3 months, and they laugh in your face and tell you "so what, but at least the manual warned you to not dry your cat in the microwave oven - we didn't promise it will last forever though" Dec 01 17:38:17 united states of america, the land of the free corporations Dec 01 17:39:50 in EU (at least in Germany) we got 24 months of *warranty* by law Dec 01 17:40:50 i think it's a european thing Dec 01 17:40:57 it's the same in italy, at least Dec 01 17:41:29 hmm, i think africa suffers from the fate of the USA Dec 01 17:54:21 BTW there is mobile operator here in Bulgaria who still sells n900 Dec 01 17:54:44 with contract and such Dec 01 17:55:20 and 2 years of warranty of course :) Dec 01 17:55:49 lol Dec 01 17:56:25 Nokia just cannot shut the circus down and say - naah, we don't care. MNOs will eat them alive Dec 01 17:56:51 BTW, freemangordon, Opera is crashing again when started from the desktop Dec 01 17:57:07 Looks like the issue is limited to using cell data connection though Dec 01 17:57:22 Deleting browser.js does not appear to help Dec 01 17:57:25 RST38h: deffinitely Dec 01 17:57:34 when on wifi it is OK Dec 01 17:57:56 What is it? Can it be fixed? Dec 01 17:58:15 'Cause it has become a serious hassle =( Dec 01 17:58:50 freemangordon: really? Dec 01 17:58:52 RST38h: NFC. And TBH I am not interested in fixing the next closed source crap. Given this is labeled 'beta' Dec 01 17:59:15 freemangordon: I'd be mildly interested in where they are' getting stuck Dec 01 17:59:38 freemangordon: Well, it worked before. It does not work now. So, the ball appears to be in the CSSU court, doesn't it? Dec 01 17:59:48 And having in mind we have a guy wotking for opera hanging on #maemo :P Dec 01 17:59:54 RST38h: not related to CSSU Dec 01 18:00:04 Hmm, never happened here Dec 01 18:00:07 it behaves in the same way on stock Dec 01 18:00:40 RST38h: read the thread on TMO, no matter what - PR1.3 or CSSU, it is the same Dec 01 18:00:55 well, Opera did not crash on PR1.3 for me Dec 01 18:01:04 it does not crash when started from xterm either Dec 01 18:01:15 in fact, it did notcrash with earlier CSSUs Dec 01 18:01:23 RST38h: it does not crash when started from terminal here too Dec 01 18:01:45 so, all fingers appear to be pointing to maemo-desktop in the latest CSSUs Dec 01 18:01:58 RST38h: I am on "earlier" CSSU, -thumb has not been updated since,ummm..., september? Dec 01 18:02:08 which is not closed-source, is part of CSSU, etc Dec 01 18:03:16 RST38h: it is not CSSU, opera started crashing by middle or end of october. CSSU-thumb is one month older Dec 01 18:03:25 hm Dec 01 18:03:36 which opera are we talking about? Dec 01 18:03:42 12 Dec 01 18:03:47 so you are saying it is their last update? Dec 01 18:04:20 RST38h: no, the must have changed something on the server side Dec 01 18:04:45 hmm Dec 01 18:04:54 But I disabled server-based optimizations Dec 01 18:05:29 RST38h: so what Dec 01 18:05:38 are you sure you know what opera does? Dec 01 18:05:48 never worked at all for me. i went back to 11 Dec 01 18:06:06 not really Dec 01 18:07:30 03.11.2012 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb4 Dec 01 18:07:42 the first report afaik is that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1292503&postcount=1321 Dec 01 18:07:55 11-10-2012 Dec 01 18:08:00 RST38h: ^^^ Dec 01 18:08:22 oops, that is 10-11-2012 Dec 01 18:08:59 that is a fsckng bogus format, nothing else Dec 01 18:09:52 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, but thumb update date is in dd-mm-yyyy format, so I should puth the first report in the same format for easier comparison Dec 01 18:09:59 *put Dec 01 18:10:01 either use proper ISO date format like 2012-11-10, or ... well there's no alternative Dec 01 18:10:47 anyway, opera started to crash a week after the last -thumb update Dec 01 18:11:07 not to say that last -testing was months before that Dec 01 18:13:01 RST38h: opera downloads a shitload of scripts and whatnot, no matter if you use server-side processing or not Dec 01 18:20:14 it stopped crashing for me a week or two ago Dec 01 18:20:18 ditto Dec 01 18:21:29 DocScrutinizer05: laptop doesn't turn on anymore \_o_/ Dec 01 18:24:30 My father's laptop's hd died yesterday. I've never seen a drive cting so weird, and have so much damaged data while stillhaving some readable data Dec 01 18:24:40 about 30-50% bad Dec 01 18:25:13 And some of the bad causes drive to stop responding for 5 minutes, then it starts reporting unreadable for the entire drive and changes to report capacity as 0 Dec 01 18:27:04 kerio: are you referring to opera 12? Dec 01 18:27:08 vi_: yep Dec 01 18:27:20 vi_: also, how do i silence osso-suw for good? Dec 01 18:27:47 kerio: apt-get purge Dec 01 18:27:59 vi_: some dude did that, and it didn't boot anymore Dec 01 18:28:00 or something Dec 01 18:28:14 that was r00t Dec 01 18:28:28 vi_: anyway, i deleted as-* and *activesync* and i feel better about it :3 Dec 01 18:28:41 ShadowJK:Sounds like controller problem Dec 01 18:28:53 and he did not purge it. he just put an 'exit' in the middle of the xsession script that caused x to abort loading. Dec 01 18:29:19 thus caused the device to no longer but. Dec 01 18:30:12 In my case, I have purged it and put in a dialogue that asks for the time as a string of numbers. Much faster ro start up. Dec 01 18:30:27 vi_: btw, have you tested it? Dec 01 18:31:01 http://pastebin.com/WYUcQbHh Dec 01 18:31:10 WFM Dec 01 18:31:13 YMMV Dec 01 18:31:30 date 201212011930 doesn't work for me Dec 01 18:32:36 edithttp://pastebin.com/aB5kqpwV Dec 01 18:32:45 http://pastebin.com/aB5kqpwV Dec 01 18:33:26 vi_: my ntpdate event.d script is working fine, btw Dec 01 18:33:29 vi_: can't you touch that /var/dont_start_suw? Dec 01 18:33:39 that is my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard. Dec 01 18:33:43 ker Dec 01 18:33:52 kerio: probably. Dec 01 18:34:08 vi_: http://pastebin.com/CCuMgLkX Dec 01 18:34:24 r00t|home: can you pastebinit so I can see? Dec 01 18:34:33 vi_: hell, just remove that thing Dec 01 18:35:00 vi_: it belongs to osso-startup-wizard anyway Dec 01 18:35:21 vi_: hah! Dec 01 18:35:35 kerio: i have not fully read what it does with locales. Dec 01 18:35:53 I am happy with my solution. Dec 01 18:36:15 I encourage you to create something more elegant. Dec 01 18:36:33 r00t|home: where do you get ntpdate? Dec 01 18:36:35 r00t|home: cheers! you read my mind! Dec 01 18:37:01 kerio: i installed the deb from debian-arm i think Dec 01 18:37:12 i like the cut of your jib Dec 01 18:37:33 wget http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/system-tools/ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-9_armel.deb Dec 01 18:37:51 not debian arm, but from 770 instead of n900 Dec 01 18:38:00 hm Dec 01 18:38:24 r00t|home: so it waits till you get a net connection and then updates the time? Dec 01 18:38:24 there's a location with an N900 ntpdate.. i forget which one Dec 01 18:38:26 :-/ Dec 01 18:38:42 anyway, does the ntpd in openntpd force the time update even with a big delay? Dec 01 18:39:22 ohoho, busybox-power has ntpd Dec 01 18:39:27 DocScrutinizer05: and it even supports -q! Dec 01 18:40:15 kerio: oh didnt you know? bb-p is a bit better! Dec 01 18:40:26 vi_: i meant compared to ntpd from the repos Dec 01 18:42:24 vi_: it waits until a defaultroute is present, and then runs ntpdate until the date isn't in 2000 anymore Dec 01 18:42:39 vi_: could use some fixing to be more elegant, but works as-is Dec 01 18:44:59 r00t|home: I like it. Dec 01 18:45:10 also not sure if mounts_ok is the best condition to hook it on, that is just copied from elsewhere... there should be something for network_up or so Dec 01 18:45:13 i think that busybox's ntpd doesn't care about big offsets Dec 01 18:45:39 kerio: busybox has ntpDEAMON, but not ntpdate? Dec 01 18:45:54 r00t|home: ntpd -dnq -p pool.ntp.org Dec 01 18:45:57 i don't see a point in running ntpd on a phone... unless it has a one-shot mode Dec 01 18:46:18 ok, so i could uninstall ntpdate and use that instead... Dec 01 18:46:20 -d for verbose, -n for don't daemonize, -q for quit after once Dec 01 18:46:34 i kinda like it running as a daemon, just 'cause Dec 01 18:48:30 i have a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ that runs ntpdate Dec 01 18:48:48 another solution, heh Dec 01 18:49:17 my N900 isn't always online Dec 01 18:49:25 i wonder if it'll fix a several-hours delay Dec 01 18:49:32 that's why i wouldn't use deamon-mode Dec 01 18:49:53 so? ntpd is not heavy at all Dec 01 18:49:57 it'll just try once in a while Dec 01 18:50:19 my issue is the dead rtc backup battery, so i just wanted to get the clock fixed automatically on boot Dec 01 18:50:50 (i'd much rather replace the battery, but haven't found conclusive info on if/how that can be done) Dec 01 18:52:00 open n900, remove battery, put in new battery, ??? Dec 01 18:52:07 if i replace the battery real quick, like <3s, the clock keeps running... but that only works if it isn't already drained completely Dec 01 18:52:23 kerio: the BACKUP BATTERY for the rtc, it's soldered on the pcb somewhere Dec 01 18:52:38 i don't see where my instructions are wrong Dec 01 18:52:46 kerio: i know neither the exact loation, nor a known working replacement type Dec 01 18:52:59 kerio: there is a forum thread on it, but it seems nobody tried yet Dec 01 18:53:19 talk to DocScrutinizer05 Dec 01 18:58:45 RST38h; possibly Dec 01 18:59:27 RST38h; but hd firmwares (and ssd) is usually so buggy they always end up doing random crap when drive starts failing Dec 01 19:04:16 vi_: am i a bad enough dude to delete osso-startup-wizard? Dec 01 19:04:27 I was. Dec 01 19:04:40 make a backup you fool! Dec 01 19:04:48 what does osso stand for? Dec 01 19:04:58 vi_; i do, others don't :) Dec 01 19:05:07 fastlane`; open source software operations Dec 01 19:05:26 ty shadow Dec 01 19:05:28 osso = bone Dec 01 19:05:33 lol Dec 01 19:05:34 fastlane`: closed source. Dec 01 19:05:41 The smelly linux nerds that used to be locked up in Nokia's basement Dec 01 19:05:52 ok i'm confused Dec 01 19:06:02 now there r 3 definitions and i'm not sure which one is the truth Dec 01 19:06:24 fastlane`: vi_ is trolling Dec 01 19:06:34 :o Dec 01 19:06:34 r00t|home isn't referring to the same "osso" you're referring to Dec 01 19:06:36 It was the name of nokia's linux division before it got the maemo name, afaik Dec 01 19:06:41 no i'm not at all Dec 01 19:06:54 fastlane`: reread what i said Dec 01 19:07:02 well, osso happens to mean bone in many languages with latin roots... it's probably not what nokia intendes, but it's funny nontheless Dec 01 19:07:18 sorry i'm dyslexic kerio :( Dec 01 19:07:22 *intended Dec 01 19:07:58 but there r lots of thing not open source in fremantle -__- Dec 01 19:08:29 things* Dec 01 19:08:40 there are also things non-free in free-mantle... Dec 01 19:08:51 true Dec 01 19:10:49 it's "fremantle" Dec 01 19:11:25 it's also "osso" Dec 01 19:12:41 hmm Dec 01 19:13:39 so about cssu .. does that allow the device to be used completely without a keyboard? or is it planned for future? Dec 01 19:13:54 why? Dec 01 19:14:00 just asking Dec 01 19:14:25 why would/should that be a goal for anybody? Dec 01 19:15:03 maybe if fremantle is flashed on some other hardware and it actually runs and that device doesnt have keyboard Dec 01 19:15:56 i wouldn't assume this stuff to be in any way portable Dec 01 19:16:19 on any compatible arm hardware you think? Dec 01 19:18:49 flash maemo on an android phone? ;) Dec 01 19:19:32 yes :) Dec 01 19:19:42 maybe Dec 01 20:31:46 hahah some dude on tmo said he sold his n900 for 27$ Dec 01 20:31:53 i have no idea how that makes sense Dec 01 20:35:06 Would be different if "Lankku" had made it Dec 01 20:35:29 for fuck's sake, in some occasions i spent more for my lunch Dec 01 20:41:59 i wouldn't mind buying a N900 for $27 Dec 01 20:43:29 kerio: he is a troll. Dec 01 20:43:40 possibly estel. Dec 01 20:43:52 but I have not read enough to see. Dec 01 20:45:21 i wud buy an n900 for that anytime Dec 01 20:46:27 but i saw a chinese made replica for n900, that was for $30 for new Dec 01 20:46:41 chinese replica = not a n900 Dec 01 20:46:53 that means that you saw a bulky chinese phone for $30 Dec 01 20:47:15 true, the replica is not even n900, its some bogus os or something inside it Dec 01 20:47:59 no it was ditto n900 from the luks of it, the slider and camera luk from outside, pretty much the same Dec 01 20:48:38 once turned on though, u can see what the quality is like Dec 01 20:48:47 u can see eevry pixel distincly :D Dec 01 20:48:59 what os did it run? :p Dec 01 20:49:08 some weird home-made one or generic android stuff? Dec 01 20:49:11 the shop owner had no idea Dec 01 20:49:13 (as most things do) Dec 01 20:49:21 maybe, dont know Dec 01 20:49:56 i suppose we can thank google for the consolidation of the cheap chinese phones' OS Dec 01 20:49:57 i should go back to that shop and make a little video of it booting, am curious if it even had a home screen Dec 01 20:50:15 hell, they could even just have thrown in meego in it, it's open source after all Dec 01 20:50:35 and then people might actually have bought it, even for the low quality :p Dec 01 20:50:43 but then the cost would have gone up, at $30 dont know the hardware would have been good enough. Dec 01 20:50:57 for meego ie. Dec 01 20:51:44 kerio: I don't mind tbh, at least that makes the phones slighty usable (unlike how they usually are lol) Dec 01 20:52:13 oh, indeed Dec 01 20:52:19 they used to run some custom-built crap Dec 01 20:52:25 a friend of me bought a phone like that (he doesn't care as long as it actually works) that ran android Dec 01 20:52:31 it was actually better than he expected :P Dec 01 20:52:42 (for the price he paid) Dec 01 20:58:08 you have to be careful buying a used n900, just make sure the microusb is in healthy shape. And i dont know how to make sure of that. Dec 01 20:58:44 ask the seller, pay with paypal Dec 01 20:58:51 a friend broke the microusb (it came out) of n900, got it repaired and the repair guy scared him by saying this will only fix once, if u break it again its not going to work again Dec 01 20:58:56 then get a refund Dec 01 20:59:06 my friend got it fixed and sold it asap ! Dec 01 20:59:28 ...what? Dec 01 20:59:47 if it's fixed properly, it's *fixed* Dec 01 21:00:38 i thought it would, but i dont know the repairing shop guy scared my friend. So he thought before this happens again he wanted to get rid of n900. Dec 01 21:01:26 FIQ: you think that fake "phone" could run meego? dream on! Dec 01 21:02:07 iirc data was like: 8MB RAM, 16MB flash Dec 01 21:02:09 DocScrutinizer05: do you remember where's that picture of the n900 hanging by the usb cable that... ShadowJK had? Dec 01 21:02:28 nope, don't recall such picture Dec 01 21:03:52 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/usb_ok.jpg Dec 01 21:04:11 ty Dec 01 21:04:38 that picture always makes me cringe >.< Dec 01 21:04:59 they use mtk chips Dec 01 21:05:10 :nod: Dec 01 21:05:17 they are epicly under powered and run like shit. Dec 01 21:05:26 the usual dual-SIM crap Dec 01 21:05:31 this isn't nearly as bad as when I'm in bed and surfing webs on n900 with charge cable connected, and decide to turn over or shift position, and it turns out the charge cable has snagged around some random crap on the floor Dec 01 21:05:45 ShadowJK: you monster >:C Dec 01 21:05:59 ~usbfix Dec 01 21:06:00 i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Dec 01 21:06:09 The other day I accidentally tripped on the cable too lol Dec 01 21:06:09