**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 15 02:59:58 2012 Dec 15 04:11:20 can anyone see if a package I built on harmattan will build on fremantle? Dec 15 04:12:26 My laptop was stolen, and I can now only access my remote desktop to my headless desktop via my device Dec 15 04:12:53 problem is I dont have a machine to run fremantle scratchbox on Dec 15 04:13:48 and without a keyboard, rdp is pointless so I cant really use it on my N9 Dec 15 04:14:41 the link in case anyone is interested: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=libfreerdp1_1.0.1-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=freerdp&project=home%3ASazpaimon&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard Dec 15 04:18:53 in the meantime, presencevnc is good enough Dec 15 06:06:11 ManoftheSea: if you neuter your USB's dataline, you will lose ability to reflash device Dec 15 06:08:49 ManoftheSea: the RF shielding cans can get opened like a cookie box, they have a lid you carefully pry off the body with a pinpointed small knife, strong needle, dentist tool or similar, by carefully unlocking lsatch by latch around the can for maybe 10min. Eventually the lid comes off Dec 15 06:09:11 best to start in one corner Dec 15 06:10:23 from corner to left first latch, then to right first, then to left 2 latches, then to right the first 2 latches. and so on Dec 15 06:11:24 eventually you see the first latch staying "open" (lid bent a tiny bit upward) Dec 15 06:19:43 lot less activity in here than just a few months ago Dec 15 06:20:18 :'( Dec 15 06:20:37 indeed Dec 15 06:20:44 you carry two phones yet SpeedEvil? Dec 15 06:20:50 hopefully traffic due to Jolla will pick up Dec 15 06:20:52 no Dec 15 06:20:58 still on n900 Dec 15 06:21:25 where you live? Dec 15 06:22:21 Scotland Dec 15 06:22:29 Ah, so you get 3G Dec 15 06:22:55 I'm still looking for a provider anywhere near me that supports 3G or HSPA+ Dec 15 06:23:06 None do for n900 freqs Dec 15 06:23:19 :-( Dec 15 06:23:25 Canada? Dec 15 06:23:32 I forget. Dec 15 06:23:34 Anyway... I'm thinking of a future with the n900 in my backpack for whatever Dec 15 06:23:38 SF Dec 15 06:23:45 tech central Dec 15 06:24:04 but I'll have to use some other phone for good service Dec 15 06:24:35 planning on setting up my n900 as bridge to internet and storage for nexus 7 Dec 15 06:25:27 Why not pay for internet on Nexus 7, you'll probably get better speeds @ the same price Dec 15 06:25:46 Wi-Fi Dec 15 06:26:57 I don't get it Dec 15 06:27:24 I guess so you can still make phone calls Dec 15 06:27:25 it has no cell modem Dec 15 06:27:41 tablet, not phone Dec 15 06:36:31 I've a non-cellular ipad which I tether to the n900 Dec 15 06:43:03 don't you have T-Mobile in SF? Dec 15 06:45:06 Yep Dec 15 06:45:09 I just ditched them Dec 15 06:45:20 they were charging 100$/mo for 2G for over a year Dec 15 06:45:25 while promising they'll support me "soon" Dec 15 06:45:31 T-Mobile should work fine in 3G with an N900 Dec 15 06:45:36 at least it does in Florida Dec 15 06:45:43 since it uses 900 MHz in UMTS Dec 15 06:45:49 Yeah, I hear it does in some states, and I think it did in chicago when I was there Dec 15 09:28:50 hi Dec 15 09:29:20 'lo Dec 15 09:29:27 is there a decent map app on n900 ? Dec 15 09:29:39 map or navigation? Dec 15 09:29:44 boths Dec 15 09:29:55 modrana is fairly decent at both Dec 15 09:30:06 because I plan to offer a gps device and so far I focus on lumia800 ... w/ nokia maps Dec 15 09:30:08 and allows to download maps and routing data Dec 15 09:30:22 what do you mean by "offer"? Dec 15 09:31:14 xmass gift Dec 15 09:31:18 :) Dec 15 09:32:04 M4rtinK: btw i built emacs on n950 Dec 15 09:32:18 gtk ui crashes but works in console Dec 15 09:32:28 gift to who? :O Dec 15 09:37:19 some regular non geek pple Dec 15 09:37:43 * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/emacs# #EmacS 24 ported to #MeeGo #HarmattanDev for !n950Club , works in #terminal ( --no-w) but #GtK #Ui is crashing Dec 15 09:44:06 WTF is that? Dec 15 09:44:56 makes my eyes bleed Dec 15 09:45:10 don't you love #hashtags? Dec 15 09:45:21 blaaeeergh! Dec 15 09:46:17 nfc what use this is meant to serve Dec 15 09:46:23 @DocScrutinizer05 #hashtags are the future man, get in the game! #oldgrumpymen Dec 15 09:46:47 anyway if that's meant to be a valid URL, my IRC client doesn't get it Dec 15 09:47:22 DocScrutinizer05: the # at the end of the url is just an error i think Dec 15 09:48:02 tbh I have NFC where the "end of URL" is supposed to be Dec 15 09:49:12 #and #I #really #don't #get #the #use #of #"hashtags" Dec 15 09:50:30 (now you're free to click on each of those and enter the according IRC channels XP) Dec 15 11:38:20 RzR: good job ! :) Dec 15 11:54:11 M4rtinK: should I also merge your apps into shared repo ? Dec 15 11:58:16 Hello everyone, I recently bought a 2nd hand Nokia N900 Dec 15 11:58:21 But I have a few questions Dec 15 11:58:53 My first question is:is the Nokia N900 compatible with UHS-1 (Ultra High Speed) micro SDHC cards? Dec 15 11:59:09 I mean, I doesn't have to fully make use of UHS-1 Dec 15 11:59:15 But the card at least has to work Dec 15 12:00:06 I would like to buy a Sandisk Mobile Ultra microSDHC 8 GB Class 6 Dec 15 12:00:25 Because it seems to have very good random write speeds Dec 15 12:00:36 I'm planning to run alternative OSes of it Dec 15 12:01:00 So random io is more important for me then classes/sequential Dec 15 12:16:55 ask ShadowJK, he knows a few details about SD performance Dec 15 12:17:43 @DocScrutinizer05:Thx for the advice Dec 15 12:17:59 * DocScrutinizer05 just got dizzy from checking http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/ Dec 15 12:19:07 ShadowJK:Does the N900 support UHS-1 microSDHC cards? Dec 15 12:23:41 Superpelican: basically why shouldn't it? I mean it's SDHC Dec 15 12:25:24 those should be compatible to all devices that can use SDHC, which N900 evidently can Dec 15 12:26:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDHC Dec 15 12:31:23 allegedly even 64GB SDXC cards work with N900, probably after formatting them to FAT32 Dec 15 12:31:56 speed however is a completely different story Dec 15 12:33:09 Superpelican: iirc ShadowJK claimed that 'old' class4 Sandisk are faster that all class10 incl new Sandisk cards Dec 15 12:33:19 faster than* Dec 15 12:38:04 DocScruntinizer:Looking at Sandisk Mobile Ultra CLASS 6 Dec 15 12:53:47 Superpelican: I noticed that :-) Dec 15 12:54:20 sorry if the knowledge I been able to share isn't matching what you looked for Dec 15 12:57:11 Superpelican: in short: will it work? YES. How fast? You'll have to test for yourself. Dec 15 12:57:54 DocScruntinizer:Really thanks for all your help Dec 15 12:58:21 DocScruntinizer:Than I'll buy the Sandisk Mobile Ultra 8GB class 6 :) Dec 15 12:58:41 please report about your findings regarding speed Dec 15 12:58:59 as I understand it, at a maximum clock of 25/MHz, so 12 megabytes/s Dec 15 12:59:21 DocScruntinizer:Don't have Windows :), so what should I use instead of CrystalMark? Dec 15 13:00:33 now THAT'S a really good question. Testing SD cards for speed is not exactly trivial Dec 15 13:01:18 probably benchmarking some real life app workflow would be best Dec 15 13:01:36 indeed Dec 15 13:03:07 all generic tests are way too schematic and usually miss out on some relevant aspects for real life usecases Dec 15 13:04:54 and depending on parameters of your generic test your results may differ massively, to the point where with e.g. blockcount=1000 the card A is twice as fast as card B, while with blockcount=999 it's all the opposite Dec 15 13:07:23 however there are some tools for benchmarking that are better than the average, alas I don't know which those are. And for sure you can't compare results of that particular tool to the results of any other tool around, usually Dec 15 13:08:29 you just can compare cards when tested under that particular tool, and depending on quality of the tool, it will more or less represent the real life experience with that card Dec 15 13:09:53 aiui the classes of SD cards are just looking at sequential write and/or sequential read Dec 15 13:11:25 random write is what may differ most from what the class suggests Dec 15 13:12:08 otoh random writes are not exactly the most common usecase in real life Dec 15 13:12:28 (at least when mounted noatime) Dec 15 13:13:09 Superpelican: anyway welcome to the club Dec 15 13:13:50 Superpelican: enjoy your N900, and take good care about your USB receptacle Dec 15 13:15:58 Superpelican: you already reflashed to a clean state? Dec 15 13:16:39 DocScruntinizer05:No, didn't reflash Dec 15 13:16:50 DocScruntinizer05:Wiped all data and settings Dec 15 13:16:51 you probably should do that Dec 15 13:17:01 DocScruntinizer05:And installed CSSU Dec 15 13:17:07 :nod: Dec 15 13:17:18 DocScruntinizer05:Device runs fine Dec 15 13:17:28 DocScruntinizer05:I use SSH to transfer files Dec 15 13:17:43 DocScruntinizer05:I already read about microUSB problems before purchase Dec 15 13:17:52 :-) Dec 15 13:17:59 DocScruntinizer05:So I'm extra careful Dec 15 13:18:06 good Dec 15 13:18:42 depending on your favorite hobby you might consider reinforcing USB Dec 15 13:18:47 ~usbfix Dec 15 13:18:48 hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Dec 15 13:19:32 reinforcing a working USB is low skill weekend job Dec 15 13:30:44 DocScruntinizer05 & infobot:Thanks, but I don't think I'm going to try that, I'm more of a software nerd Dec 15 13:31:01 DocScruntinizer05 & infobot:I'm a bit clumsly with that kind of stuff ;) Dec 15 13:31:37 then better don't try it, but keep in mind to look for opportunities to get it done eventually Dec 15 13:32:03 btw you don't need to thank the bot ;-) Dec 15 13:32:08 ~botsnack Dec 15 13:32:09 DocScrutinizer05: :) Dec 15 13:34:24 she's just listening to 'purl', otherwise you could actually thank her Dec 15 13:34:49 thanks to purl we got those factoids anyway Dec 15 13:34:50 my pleasure, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 15 13:35:42 sometimes she listens to infobot, or apt Dec 15 13:43:34 Superpelican: what made you buy a n900? Dec 15 13:44:24 Superpelican: also, you might want to buy a USB AF-USB AF adapter eventually Dec 15 13:45:04 kerio:I'm planning to buy a Jolla phone when they are released, but I wanted to sell my cheap Android phone right now Dec 15 13:45:21 kerio:Prices of new cheap Androids are dropping very fast Dec 15 13:45:43 kerio:So I'll not be able to sell it for more than $40 in half a year Dec 15 13:45:54 i see Dec 15 13:45:56 kerio:So I decided that I needed a phone in the mean time Dec 15 13:46:14 kerio:I wanted a phone that wouldn't drop in price fast Dec 15 13:46:40 kerio:So I started searching for 2nd hand Nokia phones on a Dutch eBay like website Dec 15 13:46:42 the n900 is already down Dec 15 13:46:57 kerio:And then I saw a N900 very cheap Dec 15 13:47:07 kerio:The N900 was always a kind of a dream phone to me Dec 15 13:47:17 kerio:So I thought why not buy a N900 Dec 15 13:47:27 how much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking? Dec 15 13:47:41 kerio:Plus they're unlikely to drop in price even more, because they're getting pretty rare Dec 15 13:48:01 kerio:I paid 80 euros (shipping included) for a few months used N900 Dec 15 13:48:13 Superpelican: neat Dec 15 13:48:20 kerio:It's like new Dec 15 13:48:34 kerio:Aside from some scratches on the screenprotector Dec 15 13:48:38 i paid 150 before the summer, for a truly almost-brand-new one Dec 15 13:49:36 kerio:I'm selling my Android for 60 euros now (Samsung Galaxy Mini) Dec 15 13:49:48 kerio:Someone I know is willing to pay that for it Dec 15 13:50:07 kerio:While I predict that in half a year I won't be able to sell it for more then 30 euros Dec 15 13:50:50 kerio:And I was completely fed up with laggy, slow and boring Android Dec 15 13:51:06 kerio:So while I wait for Jolla, a beautiful N900 eases the waiting! :) Dec 15 13:51:08 i hope you'll be happy with the laggy, slow, and awesome maemo then Dec 15 13:51:25 kerio:I haven't found the N900 lagging yet Dec 15 13:51:36 kerio:Yes starting up apps can take a while sometimes Dec 15 13:51:45 kerio:But I'm quite used to that and don't really mind Dec 15 13:51:54 kerio:At least the UI is smooth Dec 15 13:52:02 kerio:And I've true multitasking Dec 15 13:53:19 kerio:Also I'm used to immediately closing apps when I'm done Dec 15 13:53:28 kerio:I never have a lot running Dec 15 13:53:41 kerio:Browser, music and something else at most Dec 15 13:54:22 kerio:I don't need to have 9 apps running, so my phone gets slowed down Dec 15 13:55:19 kerio:At first I thought about buying a N9, but I'd rather save the money for a Jolla device Dec 15 13:55:32 kerio:And N900s are quite cheap Dec 15 15:31:19 * ShadowJK is surprised how "laggy" his quadcore 1g ram android tablet is compared to N900 Dec 15 15:34:06 heh Dec 15 15:34:21 n900 with cssu-thumb? Dec 15 15:37:22 ShadowJK: Can't beat N900 lag-wise Dec 15 15:37:42 ShadowJK: I have to wait for dozens of seconds for it to react Dec 15 15:38:01 kerio; no, standard Dec 15 15:38:10 RST38h: your n900 has some problems maybe Dec 15 15:39:10 My android tablet, just running a single browser window with nothing open in it yet, can have 10 second delay between typing on vkbd and the vibration and letters on screen appearing Dec 15 15:39:15 kerio: same problems as everyone's Dec 15 15:39:25 I have to push N900 pretty hard before that happens on n900 Dec 15 15:39:31 ShadowJK: This is not normal Dec 15 15:39:43 ShadowJK: What brand? What firmware? Dec 15 15:39:51 * RST38h suspects what is happening Dec 15 15:40:19 Asus TF700, android 4.1 something Dec 15 15:40:20 i advise against pushing on the n900, you could risk damaging it Dec 15 15:40:28 besides, it could deform, and it would look ugly Dec 15 15:40:28 Ok, I have got a TF700 here Dec 15 15:40:32 It never does that Dec 15 15:40:34 It doesn't always happen, but occasionally :) Dec 15 15:40:42 So it must be something running in background there Dec 15 15:41:30 huh Dec 15 15:42:04 I hate myself for preferring firefox on android over "Browser" and Chrome :) Dec 15 15:42:30 microB is the best :P Dec 15 15:42:34 UI-wise atleast Dec 15 15:42:37 it just feels right Dec 15 15:43:03 yeah Dec 15 15:43:41 * ShadowJK keeps wishing for N900's touchscreen too Dec 15 15:44:33 microb has an awful UI Dec 15 15:45:10 * Superpelican hopes that Jolla will create the ultimate mobile webbrowser Dec 15 15:45:21 Superpelican: that would be fennec :) Dec 15 15:45:32 * DocScrutinizer05 suspects RST38h is running john on his N900 as screensaver Dec 15 15:45:49 DocScrutinizer05: meh, it would only use CPU, wouldn't it Dec 15 15:46:00 right, my bad Dec 15 15:46:39 probably he cought some spyware that records all of RST38h's mumbling and swearing all day long, and stores it to eMMC Dec 15 15:47:08 lol Dec 15 15:47:40 since actually only lag I ever see on N900 is at end of a call when recaller stores the record and tracker kicks in to index it Dec 15 15:48:08 Has anyone tried disabling ohmd and syspart stuff alltogether? Dec 15 15:48:58 for sure not Dec 15 15:49:08 major surgery Dec 15 15:50:06 and tbh I first had to attend some lessons about that stuff, it came "after my time" Dec 15 15:50:18 * ShadowJK should write scripts to see if over time things run into limits Dec 15 15:51:10 ShadowJK: Superpelican asked about Sandisk ultra foobar SDHC Dec 15 15:51:24 I have no experience with it Dec 15 15:51:30 :nod: Dec 15 15:51:49 But I've been planning to buy a Sandisk UHS-I "android edition" microsdhc Dec 15 15:52:32 OMFG "android edition" - not really!! Dec 15 15:53:00 what's next? abill_uk edition? Dec 15 15:53:29 you're just jealous that android gets microsds and you don't Dec 15 15:53:30 I wonder if it means it supports trim somehow Dec 15 15:53:51 heh, a uSD with trim would be awesome Dec 15 15:55:05 heh, I just heard/read UDXS supports extended features Dec 15 15:55:22 SDXC ? Dec 15 15:55:31 * DocScrutinizer05 needs a break Dec 15 15:55:42 The A-data uhs-i I put in my N800 made night and day difference Dec 15 15:55:58 it sits happily at 400M swap used nd is still responsive Dec 15 15:56:46 "android" version usd seems have some vague marketing attached promising faster random i/o and better responsiveness Dec 15 15:56:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDXC >>SDHC host devices do not test the new capability bits defined for SDXC 4.0 cards and thus cannot use the new features of SDXC, such as transfer speeds above UHS104 (104 MB/s).<< Dec 15 16:15:29 ShadowJK: great! Dec 15 16:20:28 400mb of swap? what the hell Dec 15 16:21:54 HAH! https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_3/ Dec 15 16:23:14 DocScrutinizer05: :0 Dec 15 16:23:24 DocScrutinizer05:That's terrible Dec 15 16:23:33 DocScrutinizer05:For an independent Foundation Dec 15 16:27:32 also interesting that SD standard recommends a MBR and one (or more) partition(s) Dec 15 16:28:20 what the shit, why would they do that Dec 15 16:42:55 Basically it's specced to match whatever some specific version of windows, at the time, did when formatting Dec 15 16:43:31 can we just use them as block devices? Dec 15 16:43:42 Kingston developed their own controller at one point, and it relies on that geometry and also that it's formatted vfat Dec 15 16:43:49 hahahaha Dec 15 16:43:54 ahahahahahahahaha Dec 15 16:44:07 oh ShadowJK, you're killing me Dec 15 16:44:20 "kingston", pfffffffffffhwhahahaha Dec 15 16:44:23 The FAT area is faster at small writes than the data area :) Dec 15 16:45:13 but kingston is also the dumping ground for random controller+flash from random manufacturers, so it's not too common to see kingston controller in a kingston card Dec 15 16:45:26 dont know if they even use it anymore at all Dec 15 16:45:57 ShadowJK: don't kill kerio, I already see him blue in the face Dec 15 16:46:43 well, actually it's Kingston, not you ;-) Dec 15 16:46:44 kerio; "I bought a high quality kingston card, it must be the card reader's fault it doesn't wokrk!" Dec 15 16:46:59 hahahahahahahahaha Dec 15 16:47:10 "high quality" next to "kingston" is hilarious Dec 15 16:47:48 All my PCs have Kingston RAM :-) Dec 15 16:48:11 on a related topic: what brand was it that required that mmc.ko patch to not permanently damage the card? Dec 15 16:49:22 i havent heard of that? Dec 15 16:49:30 you haven't? Dec 15 16:49:34 nope Dec 15 16:49:57 I know of patch to disable omap mmc driver's overly clever timeout code Dec 15 16:51:10 kerio:Well my 1GB Kingston thumb drive has survived a little trip in the washing machine ;) Dec 15 16:51:26 kerio:That's why I bought a 8GB Kingston microSDHC Dec 15 16:51:26 dunno, maybe this one: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mmc/msg16087.html Dec 15 16:51:36 When I was searching for a microSD for my phone Dec 15 16:51:51 But now my opinion on Kingston is changing heavily Dec 15 16:52:22 their SSDs seem to be very slow according to several tests, the random io of most of their microSD is awful Dec 15 16:52:44 And they're not that cheap either Dec 15 16:52:56 Corsair for SSD, Transcend for SD is how I see it. Dec 15 16:53:09 Aoyagi: you mean corsair for SSD, sandisk for SD Dec 15 16:53:19 No, hate Sandisk. Dec 15 16:53:30 Well, their cards anyway. Dec 15 16:53:46 the previous generation sandisk was awesome Dec 15 16:54:15 their class 2 performed better than kingston/transcend/etc class 10 Dec 15 16:54:17 No wait, that's wrong, I don't -hate- them. If it wasn't for Transcend, I'd prolly go with Sandisk. Dec 15 16:54:43 * Superpelican is about to buy a Sandisk Mobile Ultra 8GB microSDHC for his N900 Dec 15 16:54:52 Superpelican: to do what? Dec 15 16:54:58 wait what, PREVIOUS generation Dec 15 16:55:11 :) Dec 15 16:55:13 if you need space for OSes, you really want a card with good random read/writes Dec 15 16:55:27 kerio:That's why I wanted to buy that card Dec 15 16:55:33 It has very good random io Dec 15 16:55:47 according to the benchmarks on the web Dec 15 16:55:55 for exampel RPi forums Dec 15 16:56:26 s/exampel/example Dec 15 16:56:33 ShadowJK: I can't find it anymore, but I'm rather sure we already discussed it in CSSU Dec 15 16:56:57 so maybe Pali or FMG know what *I* meant ;-) Dec 15 16:57:00 Aoyagi:Haven't seen any random io benchmarks for Transcend Dec 15 16:57:21 Neither have I. Dec 15 16:57:25 One funny thing with current generation cards (seen it both on recent sandisk and a-data) is that random writes are extremely fast on new card, but then perf drops off Dec 15 16:57:36 Aoyagi:I have a 16GB Transcend USB, so I'm not disliking them or something Dec 15 16:57:43 I just want to have good random io Dec 15 16:57:50 ShadowJK: wait a minute, timeout mode? rings a bell it seems Dec 15 16:57:59 but is restored after writing card full of 0 Dec 15 16:58:36 ShadowJK: why 0, i wonder? Dec 15 16:58:42 the 32g sandisk I have can take about 2-3 minutes of random writes before it slows down to 2 IOPS Dec 15 16:58:51 :c Dec 15 16:59:52 Yeah I wonder if the controller stores data XOR 0xFF, and thus writing 0 would be same as erasing, and it then maybe adds it to free pool Dec 15 16:59:57 poor man's trim Dec 15 17:03:00 have you tried with 0xFF too? Dec 15 17:03:31 no Dec 15 17:03:49 for somewhat obvious reasons :-D Dec 15 17:03:51 need a /dev/one to complement /dev/zero Dec 15 17:04:12 there's dev/zero but no dev/minusone Dec 15 17:06:12 there could be a seqfs Dec 15 17:06:23 cat /seqfs/0001011 etc Dec 15 17:06:46 although it would need some escaping to support /dev/zero, as you cannot have octet \0 in a file name :( Dec 15 17:10:33 ShadowJK: printf 0xFF >mmcfile; cat mmcfile >>mmcfile Dec 15 17:11:20 So what do you guys recommend:a Sandisk 8GB Class 4 or a Sandisk Mobile Ultra class 6? Dec 15 17:11:26 Which has better random io Dec 15 17:11:56 According to RPi SD benchmarks class4 card was ok, but Mobile Ultra Class 6 was a lot better Dec 15 17:15:30 ShadowJK:What do you recommend Sandisk class 4 8GB or Sandisk Mobile Ultra Class 6? Dec 15 17:15:47 ShadowkJK:Will be used primary for running Nemo Mobile on N900 Dec 15 17:16:00 i have a class 4 and it was disappointing Dec 15 17:16:13 so I'd get mobile ultra, or the uhs-i cards Dec 15 17:16:15 ShadowJK:I thought they were very good Dec 15 17:16:31 ShadowJK:Mobile Ultra c6 = UHS-1 Dec 15 17:16:38 At least he one I'm lookin at Dec 15 17:16:42 oh Dec 15 17:17:00 yeah I'm looking into getting one of the sandisk uhs cards myself Dec 15 17:18:10 * Superpelican is frightenend: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Mobile-memory-professional-cards/MicroSD-Mobile-Ultra-8GB-is-NOT-class-6-Please-HELP-me/td-p/220668 Dec 15 17:20:00 ShadowJK:Sandisk Mobile Ultra I'm looking at: SDSDQY-008G-U46A Dec 15 17:21:09 Strange one the Sandisk website I can only find 4GB Mobile Ultra class 6 cards Dec 15 17:21:15 sandisk's class ratings have always been a bit arbitrary, like I said, I have a sandisk class2 that performs like other brand c10 Dec 15 17:21:17 All the 8GBs are class 10 Dec 15 17:21:38 Yeah but class rating = sequential Dec 15 17:21:50 ShadowJK: rather for ((i=0; i<256; i++)); do printf '\377'; done >mmcfile; dd if=mmcfile bs=256 count=16G >>mmcfile Dec 15 17:22:28 Superpelican; also it's minimum speed, not max Dec 15 17:22:37 though kingston and friends seem to use it as max Dec 15 17:23:09 http://pct1.sandisk.com/ProductList.aspx?DeviceID=3324 Dec 15 17:23:22 Compatible microSDs for the Nokia N900 according to Sandisk Dec 15 17:23:30 only "normal" cards Dec 15 17:23:35 no Mobile Ultra's Dec 15 17:24:13 lol Dec 15 17:24:17 bs :) Dec 15 17:24:52 Probably they're just meaning that UHS-1 won't work with N900 Dec 15 17:25:20 dunno, uhs-i card worked in my N800 Dec 15 17:25:52 uhs is a normal SDHC anyway Dec 15 17:26:02 or SDXC Dec 15 17:26:28 [2012-12-15 13:23:41] Superpelican: basically why shouldn't it? I mean it's SDHC Dec 15 17:26:29 [2012-12-15 13:25:24] those should be compatible to all devices that can use SDHC, which N900 evidently can Dec 15 17:26:31 [2012-12-15 13:26:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDHC Dec 15 17:28:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#UHS_Speed_Class Dec 15 17:28:48 uhs adds new bus modes but still supports the old ones Dec 15 17:28:51 iirc Dec 15 17:29:18 it requires lower voltage at the higher speeds too Dec 15 17:29:27 - >25m Dec 15 17:33:37 ShadowJK: new datarates and clock speeds, yes Dec 15 17:34:18 but they still support all the modes mandatory by SD spec Dec 15 17:36:05 >>UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01,[40] support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original "Default Speed"), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s. UHS-I cards declared as UHS104 also support a clock frequency of 208 MHz, which could transfer 104 MB/s. UHS-I is the only class for which products are currently available.<< Dec 15 17:38:08 however >> SD cards other than SDIO (see below) have a "Default Speed" clock rate of 25 MHz. The host device is not required to use the maximum clock speed that the card supports. It may operate at less than the maximum clock speed to conserve power.<< Dec 15 17:38:59 ergo -> each UHS card will work in standard devices Dec 15 17:39:05 at default clock speed Dec 15 17:40:24 SpeedEvil: yep, higher speeds require lower voltages, but card needs to explicitly switched into that mode Dec 15 17:40:37 needs to be* Dec 15 17:41:08 each card comes up in single-bit 400kHz mode Dec 15 17:41:28 RzR: yeah, sure Dec 15 17:42:02 then device queries card's properties and switches card to whatever the device thinks it can support and wants to use Dec 15 17:42:09 RzR: just tge the right repos (I have some Fremantle & Nemo repos on COBS) Dec 15 17:42:16 *take Dec 15 17:44:00 RzR: this is the Mieru Harmattan package repo: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Amieru Dec 15 17:44:23 RzR: and this is the modRana Harmattan package repo: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Amodrana Dec 15 17:50:52 M4rtinK: isn't that stuff for #harmattan ? Dec 15 17:57:26 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, actually it is Dec 15 17:57:58 DocScrutinizer05: I just didn't want to break the continuity as RzR asked about it in this channel Dec 15 18:27:53 The dome of the capsule is to be composed of silver of millesimal fineness not less than 995 (recycled sacramental equipment preferred), and is to be parabolic in shape. Dec 15 18:44:47 Introduction of regular rotation system among containment personnel reduces suicide rate among task force members by 6%. Dec 15 18:52:58 RST38h: wtf? Dec 15 18:53:05 ...remains of a colony of naturally-occurring nuclear reactors which, for a brief period during the Paleoproterozoic era (approx. 1700Ma), gained sapience and later became extinct. Dec 15 19:15:42 * DocScrutinizer05 sometimes thinks RST38h has no other business than searching whole day for most nonsensical citations he can find Dec 15 19:15:54 does he do that often? Dec 15 19:16:05 every now and then Dec 15 20:04:57 hi there.searching for an app,to plan Edinburgh bus routes.there is already one for android Dec 15 20:06:10 write one Dec 15 20:06:33 from scratch? Dec 15 20:06:40 sure, why not :D Dec 15 20:07:00 also, is there a website for that? Dec 15 20:07:25 yes Dec 15 20:07:44 but it would be better to fit on my n900 :-) Dec 15 20:07:56 i'd like it offline Dec 15 20:08:40 hm, offline routing for public transportation is a bit weird afaik Dec 15 20:08:50 there's nothing for that in OSM Dec 15 20:08:56 tryed to install nokia public transport,doesn't work Dec 15 20:09:28 yes,there is,but can't remember to it's name Dec 15 20:10:43 there is an app for helsinki Dec 15 20:57:05 Hello Dec 15 20:59:10 FM Transmitter doesn't work for me // When I keep my N900 close to antenna I can hear quiet sound... Dec 15 20:59:51 but N900 must touch the antenna Dec 15 21:00:41 I read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56696 Dec 15 21:01:01 I have no solution Dec 15 21:02:31 my power_level is set on 120 Dec 15 21:03:09 Everything is updated Dec 15 21:04:16 If you tune your radio to a station and then open the transmitter, the radio continues to play normally? Dec 15 21:04:23 or it goes silent? Dec 15 21:06:46 it goes silent Dec 15 21:11:52 but I set Line DAC to 100 in alsamixer -c0 Dec 15 21:12:24 without it nothing is transmitted Dec 15 21:15:08 you shouldn't have to mess with alsamixer Dec 15 21:15:30 and actually that might already be your problem Dec 15 21:16:28 okay, so I will set everything to default Dec 15 21:17:15 Sorry, I got disconnected and went to check the log Dec 15 21:17:31 done Dec 15 21:17:33 That it goes silent it means that your hardware is ok. Dec 15 21:18:56 http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/14/3768274/google-gmail-activesync-windows-phone Dec 15 21:20:23 Bah, active sync Dec 15 21:24:04 So signal fm is that lousy normally? Dec 15 21:25:11 Nokia-N900:/var/log# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level Dec 15 21:25:13 120 Dec 15 21:25:39 I can't change it... Dec 15 21:26:01 lnxmen, do you have kernel power v5x? Dec 15 21:26:39 How to check this? Dec 15 21:26:50 $ uname -a Dec 15 21:26:54 2.6.28.10-power51 Dec 15 21:27:08 * ShadowJK 's fm receiver can pick up n900 at 4m or so Dec 15 21:27:16 in nokia kernel is power_level locked Dec 15 21:27:32 in some kernel-power there is patch for unlocking power_level Dec 15 21:27:37 see $ cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/lock Dec 15 21:27:50 and try to write here '0' Dec 15 21:28:11 wroted Dec 15 21:28:32 sorry Dec 15 21:28:41 I changed this value to 0 Dec 15 21:29:07 then you can change power_level Dec 15 21:29:31 Yes Dec 15 21:29:35 I can change Dec 15 21:31:21 What max value can I there write down? Dec 15 21:33:22 max is 120 Dec 15 21:33:29 I had it Dec 15 21:34:19 isn't max 147 or sth odd like this? Dec 15 21:34:29 no max is 120 Dec 15 21:35:52 aiui it's audio level, not TX carrier signal level that causes the problem Dec 15 21:36:12 What can I do else to improve my signal? Dec 15 21:36:18 [2012-12-15 22:11:52] but I set Line DAC to 100 in alsamixer -c0 Dec 15 21:36:19 [2012-12-15 22:12:24] without it nothing is transmitted Dec 15 21:36:26 no Dec 15 21:36:37 it was mistake Dec 15 21:36:42 I can hear Dec 15 21:36:51 but antenna must be touched to N900 Dec 15 21:36:57 and sorry for my english Dec 15 21:37:20 you got any cable plugged in to N900? Dec 15 21:37:30 I'm charging Dec 15 21:37:44 stop that, unplug charger Dec 15 21:38:26 and? Dec 15 21:38:33 then you need modified fmtxd Dec 15 21:38:44 which working with attached usb cable Dec 15 21:39:42 okay Dec 15 21:39:58 lnxmen: find a really free frequency Dec 15 21:40:10 N900 attenuates FMTX signal to compensate for aerial gain from plugged cables Dec 15 21:40:23 and accept that the fmtx *is* lousy Dec 15 21:40:35 kerio: I have free frequency Dec 15 21:41:01 1) enable fmtx when no USB or headset plugged in Dec 15 21:41:27 2) see if signal has better level then Dec 15 21:42:01 3) get patched fmtxd Dec 15 21:42:45 what about including binary patch for fmtxd into cssu? Dec 15 21:42:48 4) plug dangling USB cable to N900, since N900 can't detect a dangling cable but it boosts FM signal somewhat Dec 15 21:43:23 Pali: arguable Dec 15 21:43:33 Pali: actually it's not a bug Dec 15 21:43:52 Pali: doubtful legal status Dec 15 21:43:59 i vote yes, btw Dec 15 21:44:07 bug is "fmtxd locking kernel power_level" Dec 15 21:44:26 you need kernel power for unlock Dec 15 21:44:48 is patched fmtx in repo? Dec 15 21:44:54 no Dec 15 21:45:24 it is here: http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 Dec 15 21:47:05 Should I replaced this file with /usr/sbin/fmtxd ... Dec 15 21:47:43 and chmod +x Dec 15 21:47:44 done Dec 15 21:48:37 should i reboot? Dec 15 21:49:11 lnxmen: stop fm transmitter, killall fmtxd to be sure, start fm transmitter Dec 15 21:49:43 I rebooted Dec 15 21:49:50 boring :c Dec 15 21:52:07 and now should I plug a USB cable? Dec 15 21:54:57 meh Dec 15 21:55:57 I can't hear the difference ;/ Dec 15 21:55:58 I will create some C program for patching fmtxd Dec 15 21:56:30 because in maemo there is no patch/binary patch utility Dec 15 21:57:04 Pali: just ship a generic binary patcher Dec 15 21:57:29 bsdiff? Dec 15 21:57:38 +bspatch Dec 15 21:58:08 Pali: actually the lock is in fmtx.ko Dec 15 21:58:15 yes Dec 15 21:58:25 but only fmtxd doing echo 1 > lock Dec 15 21:58:36 and in kernel power there is also support for unlock Dec 15 21:59:08 okay, I understand fmtransmitter works normally for me... Dec 15 21:59:47 but it's seriously that lousy? Dec 15 21:59:52 yep Dec 15 22:01:05 kerio, are you using my new battery applet? Dec 15 22:01:06 I will try it in car - may will be better Dec 15 22:01:11 Pali: yes Dec 15 22:01:14 wtf jacekowski! clean that spam on your blog Dec 15 22:01:18 kerio, and no problems? Dec 15 22:01:27 not that i can think of Dec 15 22:01:44 because I found two bugs (stopped bme and loaded kernel modules without new hald-addon-bme) Dec 15 22:01:56 Pali: what is bsdiff? better than xdelta3? Dec 15 22:02:10 apart for the unnecessary load during startup Dec 15 22:02:22 because of the silly dpkg check :< Dec 15 22:02:40 Pali: i wouldn't know about that, i have the whole replacement pack installed Dec 15 22:02:40 http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ >>> bsdiff routinely produces binary patches 50-80% smaller than those produced by Xdelta <<< Dec 15 22:03:01 :o Dec 15 22:03:09 Luke-Jr, but I never used that Dec 15 22:03:10 * Luke-Jr wonders if he can convert xdelta patches Dec 15 22:03:26 I only know that bsdiff/bspatch exists Dec 15 22:04:00 kerio, when hald-addon-bme is not used, applet report battery low when charging Dec 15 22:04:42 and there is some race condition (due to reports from hal) that charging/discharging detection is not handled correctly Dec 15 22:05:03 seems that both bugs are fixed, I will push new version to cssu-devel Dec 15 22:08:09 DocScrutinizer05, I want maemo wiki! Do you know any ETA? Dec 15 22:08:37 who should be spammed for that? Dec 15 22:10:20 ping ShadowJK Dec 15 22:12:00 thank you for your help Dec 15 22:13:11 I'm gonna go to gym... Goodbye my masters Dec 15 22:13:15 xD Dec 15 22:26:12 Pali: (wiki) sorry, seems they won't do anything about it, since in a few weeks it's not their problem anymore Dec 15 22:26:33 "here, we fsckd it up fubar, now you can take it" Dec 15 22:26:56 DocScrutinizer05, do you know current situation? Dec 15 22:27:00 :-\ Dec 15 22:27:04 will be maemo.org migrated? Dec 15 22:27:19 or nokia power off maemo.org servers and it will be end? Dec 15 22:27:48 or has soembody access to servers (needed for backup/migrate to another server)? Dec 15 22:28:19 more importantly, who's going to pay for it from jan 1st onwards? Dec 15 22:30:01 and what will happen with garage? Dec 15 22:30:08 and all projects? Dec 15 22:30:32 note that only git repositories was backed up to gitorious... Dec 15 22:31:14 is downloads.maemo.nokia.com going to be ok? Dec 15 22:31:34 downloads.maemo.nokia.com not working due to expired GPG key... Dec 15 22:31:40 Pali: it still works Dec 15 22:31:55 but HAM (official SW) refuse to use it Dec 15 22:31:59 oic Dec 15 22:32:04 * kerio only ever uses apt Dec 15 22:32:26 so links from OVI store not working Dec 15 22:32:39 which means that OVI store on Nokia n900 not working anymore Dec 15 22:32:47 due to expired gpg key... Dec 15 22:33:05 is there someone who actually uses ovi store? :O Dec 15 22:33:21 I do not know... Dec 15 22:35:48 ovi store, aka the website where you download angry birds Dec 16 01:54:23 Google shutdown Exchange service. Dec 16 01:54:24 What do? Dec 16 02:06:50 freddddiiiii: learn your lesson not to depend on others for your service? Dec 16 02:08:47 Luke-Jr, can you be a bit more specific? Dec 16 02:09:13 he means run your own server, get an NX domain Dec 16 02:09:17 MX* Dec 16 02:09:23 right Dec 16 02:09:31 Ah. Dec 16 02:09:52 Are you implying every owner is geek enough and interested enough to run and manage their own server? Dec 16 02:09:57 N900* Dec 16 02:10:15 you better be if you hope to use email one day :) Dec 16 02:10:39 or just stick to using facebook chat Dec 16 02:10:46 Not interested to cash out more than one hundred euros on cash every year. Dec 16 02:10:56 To sync stuff, where as it can be obtained for free. Dec 16 02:11:47 Is there no CardDev solution available for the N900? Dec 16 02:11:56 Dav* Dec 16 02:12:44 sorry, never used that Dec 16 02:13:52 freemangordon: syncevolution speaks caldav and carddav Dec 16 02:15:42 freemangordon: so why are you using Exchange garbage? ;) Dec 16 02:17:11 gnarf, this freddddiiiii left, and now Luke-Jr and me hilight poor fmg Dec 16 02:17:20 XD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 16 02:59:58 2012