**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 19 02:59:59 2012 Dec 19 03:48:55 hi, I hvae a problem with all my navigation software, none of it will find any results for any search Dec 19 03:49:12 if I open up a google maps page on the browser that works fine Dec 19 03:49:23 the rest: nope Dec 19 04:29:55 Hi, I'm looking for a good car navigation app, and also a good outdoors navigation app Dec 19 04:30:13 and also bicycle navigation Dec 19 04:30:58 I've tried Maep, I have Mappero but that thing shouts at me in spanish or something, Cloudgps crashes after 4 seconds, and google maps is about the only thing that actually works Dec 19 04:31:22 Maep and Mappero both cannot find any searches for some reason Dec 19 04:32:15 I don't know why because mappero has worked fine for me when I initially installed it, despite the voice directions being useless Dec 19 11:58:40 Mappero is strange for not being able to find any searches, I had the same a while ago Dec 19 12:10:25 are there any good floss-alternatives to osso-addressbook? Dec 19 12:10:58 i wanted to fix some bugs in it, but when i realized it wasn't opensource i got pretty bummed... Dec 19 16:13:03 honestly sometimes I have to wonder wtf is going on with council and board Dec 19 16:15:22 seems some guys like to cut their toe nails with the lawn mower Dec 19 16:16:10 DocScrutinizer05: ouch...that hurts Dec 19 16:16:36 but isn't it the truth? And yes that actually hurts, exactly in this context Dec 19 16:17:06 wag the dog ;-D Dec 19 16:17:11 :D Dec 19 16:17:20 you forgot the flea Dec 19 16:18:10 "we might consider moving http://talk.maemo.org to http://hildonfoundation.org/forum W*T*F?!?!!!?? Dec 19 16:18:27 ? Dec 19 16:18:31 where did that come from? Dec 19 16:18:35 and why? Dec 19 16:19:04 wasn't the main per-requisite when choosing HF as the name that it will never be the forum's home? Dec 19 16:19:10 wait til my mail to maemo-community with Reggie's quote of another closed mailing thread shows up Dec 19 16:19:16 s/per-requisite/pre-requisite Dec 19 16:19:20 nah, actually Regiie already posted it Dec 19 16:20:42 any link pls? Dec 19 16:21:36 [ivgalvez at gmail.com] >>... I think the URL would also depend on hosting provider [??!!???]... On the other side we don't know if we want to keep tmo as forum domain ... << Dec 19 16:22:08 what is that? seriously no sense being made here Dec 19 16:23:27 if tmo doesn't want to be used why all the fuss of retaining maemo.org? Dec 19 16:23:58 might as well have said all this earlier; everything seems very dis-organized honestly... Dec 19 16:24:34 oh and i received a reply from a Mikko Tarkiainen saying "Nokia’s goal is that the maemo.org continues to serve the Maemo community. The community has done a great job in supporting both the developers and the consumers. Recently, Hildon Foundation has expressed an interest in taking over the maintenance of maemo.org." Dec 19 16:25:41 sorry not yet up in http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/ Dec 19 16:27:31 ooops it's still "closed" thread Dec 19 16:27:41 noted Dec 19 16:27:52 everybody and his dog in CC, but not any public ML Dec 19 16:29:28 not even council-ML, just all of council's members by name in CC :-S Dec 19 16:29:40 but board at * twice Dec 19 16:31:30 why are you spreading such FUD? Dec 19 16:31:45 I already explained to them in my answer, to a) DA F*CK KEEP THE URL for tmo, otherwise pissing of 99.99% of community by breaking their bookmarks and links. And b) DO THAT DISCUSSION PUBLIC! Dec 19 16:32:08 ivgalvez: FUD? just quoting you Dec 19 16:32:42 I'll happily forward the whole mail from Reggie to community ML to prove that's NO fud Dec 19 16:38:04 that conversation was including chemist, new TMO administrator, yet to be appointed Dec 19 16:38:24 qwazix, council member and in case of need new sysadmin for TMO Dec 19 16:38:28 get your nomenclature right Dec 19 16:38:37 and reggie Dec 19 16:38:55 there is nothing but just to keep reggie updated Dec 19 16:39:01 good luck with that one Dec 19 16:39:22 and asking him if we could rent one more month of hosting if needed Dec 19 16:39:37 ok I'll forward it Dec 19 16:39:52 to maemo-community ML, you asked for it Dec 19 16:40:30 no I didn't Dec 19 16:40:40 I think you are acting a bit weird Dec 19 16:40:56 You accused me of spreading fud while I just quoted you. twice Dec 19 16:41:37 I don't want to argue with you I simply do not understand your behaviour Dec 19 16:42:00 and your rudeness against every one Dec 19 16:42:03 well, that's mutal Dec 19 16:42:12 am I rude? Dec 19 16:42:24 indeed, quite a lot Dec 19 16:43:17 less by words than by what you state and what you don't say Dec 19 16:43:31 let's be clear Dec 19 16:43:43 I'll be happy to keep TMO on talk.maemo.org Dec 19 16:43:59 you asked for it a third time Dec 19 16:44:35 but that would depend on Nemein and Nokia Dec 19 16:44:46 ivgalvez: maybe it a bit clearer? you won't only be happy but its a pre-requisite that tmo stays on talk.maemo.org? Dec 19 16:44:47 as maemo.org is not yet transferred to HF Dec 19 16:45:16 I can't say that it's a pre-requisite Dec 19 16:46:04 if Nokia descides not to transfer the doamin at the end of now a very long negotiation Dec 19 16:46:17 we won't be able to use that Dec 19 16:46:36 didn't SD69 post that he is awaiting just a document to arrive which would do the transfer? It seemed from posts that maemo.org was already secured? Dec 19 16:46:37 but that will only be known in a few months Dec 19 16:46:52 yes, but with legal issues it's not that simple Dec 19 16:47:15 documents are very complicated and it's still being talked Dec 19 16:47:28 I hope it will finish OK Dec 19 16:47:49 Nemein already publicly stated that they will change DNS entries as needed as soon as needed Dec 19 16:48:22 but that only applies for the time being Dec 19 16:48:27 here you are: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005829.html Dec 19 16:48:28 which is good Dec 19 16:49:04 I have absolutely nothing against hosting TMO at Nemein for the time being Dec 19 16:49:22 that implies that we don't need to pay for that hosting Dec 19 16:49:28 for at least two months Dec 19 16:50:10 regarding the movement of the DB from US to EU I have nothing to say, I'm not a lawyer Dec 19 16:50:31 however cionfronting your arguments against SD69 is quite difficult Dec 19 16:50:57 as you are making much more noise than needed Dec 19 16:51:06 take example from Jaffa for example Dec 19 16:51:28 > >> > On the other side, I don't know if we want to keep talk.maemo.org as forum domain if it's, in fact, also related with Harmattan (maybe Maemo 6, OK) and in the future it might become home for other OS's (Jolla, Mer...??). But I think that would bring us even more drama than just the simple battle between U.S. or E.U. ... Dec 19 16:52:24 that's just a personal funny comment Dec 19 16:52:42 which is by no meansBOard decission Dec 19 16:53:24 it's not funny, it exposes a sad amount of ignorance about technical requirements at large Dec 19 16:53:36 by the way your continuous comments against Council and Board are quite worriyng Dec 19 16:53:59 so I'd say it's scary at best Dec 19 16:54:59 let me change the subject for a moment Dec 19 16:55:08 I have to leave in a few moments Dec 19 16:55:08 ooh annoying? guess how pisse *I* felt reading all that stuff of last 2 or 3 days that completely bypassed me, just a hour ago Dec 19 16:55:18 and I need to comment something Dec 19 16:55:41 scratchbox.org needs hosting Dec 19 16:56:02 it can't be hosted with all other maemo infra? Dec 19 16:56:06 Nemein reclaims them 150 $ month and 600 $ for migration Dec 19 16:56:33 I don't know because: Dec 19 16:56:40 if that's incl admin that's an extremely fair offer Dec 19 16:56:42 a) the infra for maemo.org is not ours Dec 19 16:57:07 b) migration of non maemo.org services is not paid by Nokia Dec 19 16:57:17 they need to answer tomorrow!!! Dec 19 16:57:27 it's unnafordable Dec 19 16:57:38 uhuh Dec 19 16:57:47 so we might need a backup plan for that Dec 19 16:57:52 how huge is scratchbox.org? Dec 19 16:58:08 not much, only 80GB Dec 19 16:58:13 we have it hosted at skeiron.org; i mean the sdks for all iterations; if they take it offline we have a copy Dec 19 16:58:19 we can host it tomorrow itself then Dec 19 16:59:54 80gb and i don't think it requires more than 10tb of bandwidth/month Dec 19 17:00:00 a vps itself would suffice Dec 19 17:00:13 * DocScrutinizer05 has a short glance at http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/, mumbles "2300" and "unaffordable", shakes head and wanders off Dec 19 17:00:14 anyway I'll try with Nokia and Nemein and see if we can include it in our infra for free for the time being Dec 19 17:00:42 DocScrutinizer05, 150$ a month Dec 19 17:00:52 INCL ADMIN???? Dec 19 17:01:01 plus what we will have to pay after 2 months Dec 19 17:01:04 you dafaq won't get it any cheaper! Dec 19 17:01:19 I don't know if it includes admin Dec 19 17:01:44 shouldn't we use community admins instead on a voluntary basis? Dec 19 17:02:04 never flies Dec 19 17:02:29 admin has to be responsible, and dedicated. You can't to the master admin on a voluntary basis Dec 19 17:02:39 I need to leave now, I'll give more info when I have it Dec 19 17:03:03 Aren't you the master admin Doc? Dec 19 17:03:15 If we find a professional admin that offers to have a 20min an eye on that box among his other 100 boxen, that might work Dec 19 17:03:24 http://virpus.com/budget-vps/xen.html this would cost 20bucks/mth; substantial savings over the 150 they charge Dec 19 17:03:25 thedead1440: I'm the fool Dec 19 17:03:37 and recently got degraded Dec 19 17:03:42 common Dec 19 17:03:54 so I#m not anything right now, except councilor Dec 19 17:04:05 DocScrutinizer05 when did you got degraded? Dec 19 17:04:24 you refused to admin anything in the U.S. Dec 19 17:04:32 but there is nothing yet to admin Dec 19 17:04:36 well, if you don't even recall your own mails as of 2 days ago, I can't help Dec 19 17:04:49 so qwazix volunteered to admin TMO if necessary Dec 19 17:05:01 again, good luck with that Dec 19 17:05:28 seriously what admin is required for scratchbox.org Doc? surely this is easy for you, no? Dec 19 17:05:35 so does it means that you are resigning? Dec 19 17:05:59 some calming down required, perhaps? Dec 19 17:06:02 thedead1440: iptables, kernel updates, CERT warnings twice a day? nope Dec 19 17:06:06 not my business Dec 19 17:06:14 because we really need an admin manager Dec 19 17:07:00 please think it twice Dec 19 17:07:05 I need to leave Dec 19 17:07:13 speak later Dec 19 17:08:53 I'm really happy about each mail I made visible to public, for documentation Dec 19 17:09:13 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head once more and wanders off Dec 19 17:09:59 DocScrutinizer05: calm down, you are required why give up so easily? Disagreements will happen and can be resolved after all... Dec 19 17:10:35 * DocScrutinizer05 mumbling "my grandchildren won't believe me when I eventually telling them this story" Dec 19 17:11:34 I'm not resigning, I just define my own involvement and responsibility taken by the ANDing all the contradicting statements from board Dec 19 17:12:04 then again ANDing all that against what I offered to do Dec 19 17:12:23 the result is pretty much 0x0000 Dec 19 17:12:25 so contradicting statements means you are not degraded too ;) all this actually needs to be publicly discussed instead of closed threads where nobody knows whats happening....my 2cents Dec 19 17:13:38 ooh, and "statements" is not only verbal but also by actions Dec 19 17:13:50 like NOT including me to discussions Dec 19 17:14:11 NOT asking me for advice or comment Dec 19 17:14:23 NOT keeping me up to date Dec 19 17:15:12 NOT even noticing when I suggest professional sysops, rather blaming me for aleggedly not having done so Dec 19 17:15:41 meh, cya Dec 19 17:15:57 relax, they may be confused too Dec 19 17:16:32 seems like there is no real control over things; only opinions flying everywhere without anything being coherent Dec 19 19:49:38 DocScrutinizer05: it could still be worse Dec 19 19:49:45 for instance, i've got the flu :c Dec 19 19:53:14 I have a toothache, and am trying to make an appointment for an extraction Dec 19 22:12:32 at 8pm? Dec 19 22:12:44 seems tough Dec 19 22:15:28 take the red pill Dec 19 22:34:25 ShadowJK: yes, I failed today. I have solved it temporarily by a 5v AC square wave across the gum line Dec 19 22:35:02 seriously? Dec 19 22:38:28 yes Dec 19 22:39:16 >>>SpeedEvil<<< Dec 19 22:39:28 awesome Dec 19 22:39:37 well, not that it hurts Dec 19 22:39:41 * ShadowJK would've suggested a "bedtime" cocktail of 1000mg ibuprofein and 1000mg paracetamol Dec 19 22:39:57 no paracetamol Dec 19 22:40:11 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2175474/ Dec 19 22:40:12 1000mg may already be liver toxic Dec 19 22:40:29 esp when taken with alcohol Dec 19 22:41:09 well, I've taken 500mg paracetamol, 300mg aspirin, 300mg ibuprofen Dec 19 22:41:42 DocScrutinizer05, you can take 3000 per day Dec 19 22:41:57 per day maybe Dec 19 22:42:13 1000 max per taking, then you need to space it out Dec 19 22:42:19 though they plan to completely forbid it Dec 19 22:43:02 The aspirin is mostly redundant in that mix Dec 19 22:43:14 medical doctors and scientists say they don't know why it's still used, since it's not really strong and way too dangerous Dec 19 22:43:57 Well, there isn't any other prescription-free not NSAID pain reliever out there Dec 19 22:44:00 I'd recommend 600mg ibu Dec 19 22:44:06 and drop the rest Dec 19 22:45:32 indeed. last time it happened (a decade ago) paracetamol/aspirin/ibuprofen at maximum dose diddn't help. Dec 19 22:45:53 aspirin is also not really effective as pain killer, but does a super job as blood thinner, for 3 or 4 days after ingestion Dec 19 22:45:57 ~150hz square wave across the gum did Dec 19 22:46:13 so was trying a combination Dec 19 22:47:43 for me ibuprofen helped best, last time I had that problem maybe 9 months ago Dec 19 22:48:02 I tested all three Dec 19 22:48:08 Ibu should calm down the swelling and inflammation, and put less pressure and strain on the nerve, as well as dampen some of the chemical pain transmitters. Paracetamol does nothing of that, but it acts through the central nervous system as painkiller. The mix is complementary, and if you take the maximum dose in one burst, when you're fatigued, it might give enough temporary relief that you can fall asleep, and hopefully note wake up too soon as the pain Dec 19 22:48:15 creeps back. Then you suffer minimum dosage during the day, saving up for the bedtime burst. Dec 19 22:49:10 It totally fails if your brain suddenly goes "Ah, no pain, now I can get stuff done!" Dec 19 22:49:14 sounds reasonable Dec 19 22:49:48 * ShadowJK once worked at a military hospital :P Dec 19 22:50:31 would also explain why paracetamol didn't help for me, my brain si immune to such stuff ;-D Dec 19 22:51:57 The downside of Paracetamol is that it destroys your liver. The downside of Ibu (and aspirin, and most other NSAIDs) is that it makes your stomach bleed. Alcohol does both Dec 19 22:52:28 aspirin much worse than ibu, i'd guess Dec 19 22:53:06 and morphine has its own fun side effects. Dec 19 22:53:07 Well Aspirin has the bonus of making your blood thinner, so if you bleed anywhere it doesn't clot as fast Dec 19 22:53:13 (no, not taking) Dec 19 22:53:17 aspirin almost kills me, unless I swallow it with 1+L of water Dec 19 22:53:32 Ibu used to do that for me Dec 19 22:53:49 SpeedEvil: morphine doesn't really help on tooth ache either Dec 19 22:53:58 or that's again just me Dec 19 22:54:00 Feeling of someone attaching a powertool to my stomach and trying to tie it into a knot, then frothlike acidy burps Dec 19 22:54:55 exactly Dec 19 22:55:06 I'm fascinated by the 5V squarewave, what are you using as electrode, how far apart etc Dec 19 22:55:13 indeed Dec 19 22:55:16 What kind of relief is it providing? Dec 19 22:55:43 and: **could we make an app out of that?** Dec 19 22:55:54 ;-D Dec 19 22:56:07 booston-boostoff is only 2.5V peak to peak ;-) Dec 19 22:56:23 voltage doubler ;-) Dec 19 22:56:39 uh, that was wrong but you know what I mean Dec 19 22:56:58 err, actually nope Dec 19 22:57:07 since err it's a square wave Dec 19 22:57:12 aah yes Dec 19 22:57:36 but SpeedEvil didn't explain if peak2peak or average 5V Dec 19 22:58:13 or rather, if it's symetrical around zero or pulsed DC Dec 19 23:02:35 >>class II device restricted to use on the prescription of a licenced physician<< MEH! Dec 19 23:38:27 haha, prisoners escaped 20th floor prison. Through a window with 12.7cm width SUUUURE! Dec 19 23:38:41 maybe inch Dec 19 23:43:52 >>But exactly how Banks and Conley slipped through a window just 5 inches wide was not immediately clear.<< Dec 19 23:44:46 must be real flatheads Dec 19 23:45:42 maybe they placed that rope there as a red herring for the investigators Dec 20 00:08:33 specifically, AC, symmetric around zero. and that was the maximum Dec 20 00:10:00 ShadowJK: it's TENS - it's a well studied phenomena. basically, you apply sharp edges to the nerves, causing them to fire repeatedly, and become fatigued. this state lasts an hour or three Dec 20 00:10:58 ShadowJK: 1cm^2 stainless steel electrodes placed either side of the gum, with the other side insulated Dec 20 00:11:56 needless to say. applying voltage to your body can kill. Dec 20 00:14:56 indeed Dec 20 01:27:30 wow like.... these places are ridiculous with these e7 prices Dec 20 01:27:38 i guess i'll just get one from amazon for 250 Dec 20 01:32:20 why an e7? Dec 20 01:48:37 it won't break like the n900 and has a qwerty Dec 20 01:48:40 :) Dec 20 01:48:43 and supports att Dec 20 01:49:22 ah Dec 20 01:52:36 i've honestly gotten to the point wher i use like 3 things on my phone Dec 20 01:52:45 ssh client, browser, gtalk/xmpp client Dec 20 01:53:01 4 if you count tethering Dec 20 01:53:26 believe it or not the lumia900 isn't too bad... but the lack of a qwerty drives me nuts Dec 20 01:53:36 where can I find the .config for kernel-power? scripts/extract-ikconfig told me that the zImage didn't include it Dec 20 01:54:22 Macer: Hiss!! Dec 20 01:54:48 robbiethe1st: heh Dec 20 01:54:53 i still have the n900 but the modem died on it Dec 20 01:54:58 i use it like a nit Dec 20 01:55:29 symbian^3 isn't too bad.. plus i can downgrade my overpriced data plan for a "dumbphone" plan Dec 20 01:55:36 with the e7 heh Dec 20 01:56:32 i thought i was going to win a new one for $190 on ebay but got sniped at the last second and from ebay i wouldn't pay more than 200 Dec 20 01:58:03 but i'll pay 250 for a new one on amazon :) Dec 20 01:59:56 Macer, have you seen the "modem fix" threads? Dec 20 02:00:30 Basically, the modem chips are under a shield, you open up N900, and open the shield, then take a pencil's spring, cut it to about 2 turns, and put that below the shield to press down on the modem chips Dec 20 02:00:36 Seems to have worked for atleast 2 people Dec 20 02:00:56 Risk of killing tablet-N900 of course :( Dec 20 02:04:22 Speaking of "not breaking", I encountered a Lumia with broken microusb port the other day :) Dec 20 02:05:17 did I link the pics of the motoactv - a tiny watch-like android device. Dec 20 02:05:30 with a through hole secured USB port Dec 20 02:12:16 lol Dec 20 02:12:37 SpeedEvil: that doesn't change the fact all i would get is edge tho ;) Dec 20 02:12:44 i can deal with 3G vs LTE Dec 20 02:12:49 but Edge vs 3G is too much Dec 20 02:13:07 no 3g on the above Dec 20 02:13:12 yeah Dec 20 02:13:18 edge kinda sucks Dec 20 02:13:26 it seriously sucks ;) Dec 20 02:13:32 I wish I had had time to work on my page compressor Dec 20 02:13:37 but that's ok. like i said.... Dec 20 02:13:41 e7 will do nicely Dec 20 02:13:47 i don't really use my phone for much anymore Dec 20 02:13:57 browser,ssh,gtalk, and tethering are all that are required Dec 20 02:14:15 and of course typical services like email etc Dec 20 02:14:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy Dec 20 02:14:48 openmoko lol Dec 20 02:15:22 well, yes Dec 20 02:15:31 it was a page I wrote a while ago Dec 20 02:15:38 still applies though Dec 20 02:16:36 well. .i'm just saying. the n900 isn't worth the effort if it can't do 3G Dec 20 02:16:50 a shame really.. i'd have kept with tmobile if it worked properly still :) Dec 20 02:16:55 i loved my n900 Dec 20 02:17:11 is verizon gsm with sims? i honestly don't know Dec 20 02:17:52 i might actually consider sprint next since they have an actual unlimited data plan Dec 20 02:18:02 i think att is throttling me after going over a month.. which i didn't care spending the extra money Dec 20 02:18:17 no idea Dec 20 02:18:17 but then they throttled me and it is running like shit. i need to call them tomorrow and ask wtf is up Dec 20 02:18:53 not really up on the us market, for obvious reasons Dec 20 02:19:05 i might go with verizon next after my last 8 months with att is up Dec 20 02:19:49 pondering a teeny mvno Dec 20 02:19:53 oh yah. sorry ;) Dec 20 02:20:14 http://www.aa.net.uk Dec 20 02:20:19 wacky services Dec 20 02:20:35 like you can have a mobile with no phone number Dec 20 02:20:49 its back end is your sip server Dec 20 02:21:15 and you can have your own server as your APN. Dec 20 02:24:17 wow Dec 20 02:24:18 that's actually Dec 20 02:24:20 awesome lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 20 02:59:59 2012