**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:59 2013 Jan 06 03:38:19 jonwil: supposed to be safe Jan 06 03:38:34 ~jrtools Jan 06 03:38:35 cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 06 03:38:36 ok, great Jan 06 03:39:43 anyway my lil etc/hosts tweak did too much actually Jan 06 03:39:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools looks like shite now Jan 06 03:40:25 I observed that if I just put wiki.maemo.org in there it looks ok Jan 06 03:40:28 I guess i'll have to comment out one line after another to find why it renders like there was no css Jan 06 03:40:36 otherwise if I put static.maemo.org in there it looks like crap Jan 06 03:40:38 yep, did same Jan 06 03:40:58 quite possibly it's static.maemo.org, yup Jan 06 03:40:59 I think either the static.maemo.org isn't working properly yet Jan 06 03:41:20 or we have the wrong /etc/hosts entry for it (which I doubt) Jan 06 03:41:29 both? Jan 06 03:42:54 yeah, static.maemo.org commented out and everything fine on wiki at least Jan 06 03:47:49 ok, so I intend to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages with details of anything that has an open clone but where the open clone isn't listed Jan 06 07:30:03 A splendid good Sunday to You all! Jan 06 09:19:11 pcfe: what the hell man Jan 06 11:49:26 o/ Jan 06 11:54:57 \o/ Jan 06 11:57:07 hi MohammadAG Jan 06 11:57:41 heya DocScrutinizer05 Jan 06 11:58:01 wanted to flash my N9 yesterday and it seems I need navifirm to download firmware images Jan 06 11:58:29 since I hate windows, I thought about writing an open source navifirm in Qt, good progress so far Jan 06 11:58:41 you might soon be out of luck Jan 06 11:59:23 the closing down recently announced? saw it after I started Jan 06 12:00:02 [2013-01-02 12:58:10] backup your Harmattan firmwares: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/nokia-navifirm-access-firmware-downloads/ Jan 06 12:01:35 DocScrutinizer05, isn't Nokia Online a simple login? Jan 06 12:01:40 so cookies could technically be used Jan 06 12:01:59 MohammadAG: I think they're going to change this massively Jan 06 12:02:57 MohammadAG: how about a new uBoot-KP pkg? you're maintainer Jan 06 12:03:42 DocScrutinizer05: there is a uboot for n9?? Jan 06 12:03:47 MohammadAG: would be mad useful, since only new (52) KP supports thumb Jan 06 12:04:00 oh haha Jan 06 12:04:10 ok, for n900 Jan 06 12:05:23 http://i.imgur.com/s08Pg.png bah Jan 06 12:07:16 is 40.2012.21.3 the latest FW for the N9? Jan 06 12:08:15 stupid question: does the n900 have offline navigation via the default Maps application? Jan 06 12:08:24 not the I know of Jan 06 12:08:42 Offline, yes. Jan 06 12:08:48 Just not Voice-Guided Jan 06 12:08:53 Apic: how do you download the maps? Jan 06 12:08:55 the N900? Jan 06 12:09:06 It downloads them automatically according to your GPS Position Jan 06 12:09:07 i mean the ~/MyDocs/cities folder in mine is only 24MB Jan 06 12:09:10 Yes, the N900 Jan 06 12:09:22 Ah, hm Jan 06 12:09:37 Then Offline Navigation will probably only work if you went that Route online before Jan 06 12:09:59 Or downloaded the whole Maps with the Ovi Map installer on a PC Jan 06 12:10:00 ah so maps pre-loaded right? Jan 06 12:10:16 s/so /so no / Jan 06 12:10:17 thedead1440 meant: ah so no maps pre-loaded right? Jan 06 12:10:18 You can probably somehow preload them for your whole country Jan 06 12:10:32 via NSuite or PC Suite? Jan 06 12:10:42 Dunno Jan 06 12:10:48 too many firmwares for the N9 Jan 06 12:10:51 thanks will try it out then Jan 06 12:10:53 Probably there's an App in Program Manager Jan 06 12:10:54 not sure which one is 001 Jan 06 12:10:57 GL Jan 06 12:11:04 MohammadAG: NDT and ROW are usually 001 Jan 06 12:11:14 ROW is definitely 001 but most NDT too are Jan 06 12:11:49 afaik maemo-maps does NO offline-routing Jan 06 12:11:58 there's no offline routing in maemo-maps Jan 06 12:12:06 so DocScrutinizer05 in that case there are no maps to download? Jan 06 12:12:09 you can look at the map that you've downloaded Jan 06 12:12:14 it doesn't route Jan 06 12:12:17 yes there are Jan 06 12:12:29 ok Jan 06 12:12:43 iirc even built in download Jan 06 12:12:58 or I'm dreaming this up Jan 06 12:13:05 nah, you need a program on a computer Jan 06 12:13:16 anyway there been a map downloader Jan 06 12:13:18 modrana is the one that can download from builtin :) Jan 06 12:13:37 kerio is right Jan 06 12:13:50 or just Jan 06 12:13:53 ~kerio Jan 06 12:13:54 from memory, kerio is [...] kerio is correct [...] Jan 06 12:14:13 actually, that one is better Jan 06 12:14:15 haha Jan 06 12:14:26 infobot: no, kerio is kerio is right Jan 06 12:14:26 okay, kerio Jan 06 12:15:09 was asking for backup purposes; the maps ui on the n900 is bad enough to put anyone away from actually using it :D Jan 06 12:15:52 alas it's the only app that actually works from contacts addr Jan 06 12:16:03 or did, at one time Jan 06 12:16:04 *so far* Jan 06 12:16:10 long ago Jan 06 12:16:41 haha Jan 06 12:17:06 you probably need a dbus service or something Jan 06 12:17:07 God, would I love to configure e.g. marble, mappero, modrana, to come up when you click on contact's addr Jan 06 12:17:10 * kerio has uninstalled maemo-maps Jan 06 12:17:19 why no love for maep? :( Jan 06 12:17:24 kerio: you bet you do Jan 06 12:17:30 (need dbus) Jan 06 12:18:07 DocScrutinizer05: do you have maemo-maps installed? Jan 06 12:18:12 yep Jan 06 12:18:34 do you mind pastebinning the output of dpkg -L nokia-maps-core ? Jan 06 12:19:43 thedead1440: Jan 06 12:19:45 IroN900:~# locate maps| wc -l Jan 06 12:19:46 18395 Jan 06 12:20:32 kerio: http://pastebin.com/QA0wh0n3 Jan 06 12:20:42 DocScrutinizer05: ~# locate maps | wc -l Jan 06 12:20:44 -sh: locate: not found Jan 06 12:20:45 0 Jan 06 12:21:01 DocScrutinizer05: now pastebin /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.NokiaMaps.service plskthx Jan 06 12:21:40 http://pastebin.com/aS0cp5R6 Jan 06 12:22:07 well, there you go Jan 06 12:22:13 i'm not sure how the address is passed Jan 06 12:22:13 * DocScrutinizer05 should finally set up his private RDA Jan 06 12:22:30 but just add a similar dbus service with your appropriate mapper Jan 06 12:23:09 kerio: I'd use dbus-monitor, everything else I'm on your page, KTNX Jan 06 12:23:43 kerio: except I stopped developing stuff some years ago Jan 06 12:24:10 kerio: thought it's not fair when only I have all the fun ;-P Jan 06 12:24:11 hmm is there another way to get locate other than findgnu-utils package? Jan 06 12:24:20 i installed it still it says locate not found Jan 06 12:24:27 o.O Jan 06 12:24:35 thedead1440: either glocate or add /usr/bin/gnu/ to the PATH Jan 06 12:24:55 ah done Jan 06 12:24:55 IroN900:~# which locate Jan 06 12:24:56 thanks Jan 06 12:24:57 /usr/bin/gnu/locate Jan 06 12:24:58 IroN900:~# echo $PATH Jan 06 12:25:00 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Jan 06 12:25:20 ~jrtools Jan 06 12:25:20 cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 06 12:25:42 so DocScrutinizer05 your maps files are 18395? How did you get them? Mine shows 0 using the locate command Jan 06 12:25:54 I had clean flashed my device when I bought it using pr1.3 Jan 06 12:26:03 thedead1440: run updatedb first ;-) Jan 06 12:27:38 DocScrutinizer05: ~# /usr/bin/gnu/locate maps | wc -l Jan 06 12:27:40 1531 Jan 06 12:27:52 thedead1440: I originally tried to pastebinit, but it failed due to "file too long" - then I thought "phooo, thank God, it probably shows precisely where I've been last 4 years" Jan 06 12:28:06 haha Jan 06 12:29:00 not that my walks are particularly secrete Jan 06 12:29:30 anyway that's all the tiles not only of maemo-maps but also of marble and mappero Jan 06 12:29:41 plus backups Jan 06 12:29:51 http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm Jan 06 12:30:00 (yes, I got backups on device) Jan 06 12:30:02 seems like the on on n900 is nokia maps 2.0 Jan 06 12:30:11 one* Jan 06 12:31:50 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mapdownloader/ Jan 06 12:32:26 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/marble-maps/ Jan 06 12:33:03 doc the first link is helpful for the nokia maps or is it for 3rd party software? Jan 06 12:33:46 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c Jan 06 12:34:03 thedead1440: first is N8n0 maps Jan 06 12:34:31 why marble instead of modrana? :( Jan 06 12:34:42 check out Jaffa's brilliant contribution! Jan 06 12:34:50 yup Jan 06 12:34:59 it links to an ad page for the download site :D Jan 06 12:35:42 http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html Jan 06 12:35:52 ^^^ ad-ware :D Jan 06 12:36:23 thedead1440: it doesn't look like there's any ware at all Jan 06 12:36:27 but from Jaffa's instructions it seems its the same on S60 hence: http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm Jan 06 12:36:33 should be the same Jan 06 12:39:41 alas I'm blind and don't see the link Jaffa refers to in >>Scroll down the above URL<< Jan 06 12:39:48 there's no URL here Jan 06 12:40:01 there is a hyperlink on the word download DocScrutinizer05 Jan 06 12:40:10 ooh Jan 06 12:41:15 dang, don't see it Jan 06 12:41:24 ads Jan 06 12:41:26 aaaah Jan 06 12:42:45 and it's a roge site Jan 06 12:42:49 rogue Jan 06 12:43:09 wants make me download shit Jan 06 12:43:16 and has nuttin but adds Jan 06 12:43:20 yup, too bad Jan 06 12:44:05 Jaffa: *please* fix http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c Jan 06 12:44:34 Is there any other sane solution for offline maps of any sort? Jan 06 12:44:39 Jaffa: a) the link on "download" is nearly invisible Jan 06 12:44:58 Jaffa: b) it points to a site you won't appreciate it does Jan 06 12:45:50 Skry: http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm Jan 06 12:45:59 it has the maps direct from Nokia's servers Jan 06 12:46:05 DocScrutinizer05: Will add it to the TODO lsit Jan 06 12:47:39 most ignoring is the requester "download our free software while you read this site" with the options "OK", "ok nevertheless" and "close window and assume OK" Jan 06 12:48:07 most annoying* Jan 06 12:48:21 dang, the coffee doesn't kick in Jan 06 12:48:45 My Condolences. Jan 06 12:49:14 thedead1440: big thanks Jan 06 12:49:39 Skry: brkn found it not me ;) Jan 06 12:49:46 :D Jan 06 12:50:32 well, thanks to brkn too then, can prepare for zombie apocalypse now and shit Jan 06 12:50:44 >>*handphone-solution* Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<< Jan 06 12:51:33 then "william hill casinoclub" KTHNX Jan 06 12:52:32 DocScrutinizer05: did you try clicking on those ads and exchanging your details with them? Maybe just maybe they give you the download link :p Jan 06 12:52:47 ok, so how do we find out which version of Nokia maps the N900 has so we can download from that symbian.clanteam.org page? Jan 06 12:52:49 bwahahaha Jan 06 12:52:56 2.0 Jan 06 12:53:16 couldn't figure a coffee withdrawal that's SO bad Jan 06 12:53:31 holy shit nolo does charging! Jan 06 12:53:50 MohammadAG: eh? Jan 06 12:54:22 Lets see if the Australia 2.0 maps on that symbian page are any different to the ones I already have local on my phone... Jan 06 12:54:26 The N9 does charging without booting up Jan 06 12:54:31 The ones I downloaded with nokia PC suite Jan 06 12:54:59 jonwil: appreciated Jan 06 12:55:01 MohammadAG: well, for whatever definition of "boot up" Jan 06 12:55:04 yes it does Jan 06 12:56:35 thedead1440: you're not saying I should click on a rogue site to get a useful link, do you? Jan 06 12:56:55 DocScrutinizer05: did i say so? I don't remember :p Jan 06 12:57:23 particularly after >>*handphone-solution* Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<< Jan 06 12:57:27 ok, well the maps I am downloading are definatly larger than whats on my phone right now Jan 06 12:57:48 jonwil: is it a huge differential in size? Could you share? Jan 06 12:57:59 This is for Australia only Jan 06 12:58:11 I doubt they are going to be significantly newer though Jan 06 12:58:24 given when Nokia stopped updating maps inthe 2.0 format Jan 06 12:59:06 ah so whats on device is version 2.0 but the one which says in () not the newest maps Jan 06 12:59:29 so on device is v2.0 but slightly older Jan 06 12:59:34 no I dont know how whats on device Jan 06 12:59:50 I just know that the latest 2.0 maps are going to be a while old since 2.0 is long depreciated Jan 06 13:00:08 that page has 3 versions for v2.0 Jan 06 13:00:11 i.e. they probably stopped making map updates for 2.0 quite a while ago Jan 06 13:00:20 yup should be Jan 06 13:01:00 anyhow, Jan 06 13:01:08 anyhow, I will see what happens if I put those maps on my phone Jan 06 13:01:45 oh wait, that "the new maps are bigger" comment, thats probably not accurate Jan 06 13:01:51 since its still pulling maps from my phone over SFTP Jan 06 13:02:57 kerio: i reflashed and it works great. typing on the N900 now! Jan 06 13:03:01 :D Jan 06 13:03:13 xchat is also pretty good Jan 06 13:03:19 http://www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ Jan 06 13:03:50 alright well im sshing to a server where irssi is running. Jan 06 13:04:02 i figured :) Jan 06 13:04:29 ok. well i did apt-get remove cherry and that seemed to work Jan 06 13:04:57 yep Jan 06 13:05:00 That link looks good doc :) Jan 06 13:05:00 havent done anything else than that though as i went to sleep and woke up now Jan 06 13:05:11 how did you get root access? Jan 06 13:05:34 oh yeah by installing openssh server and client via ham Jan 06 13:05:41 i like you ^___^ Jan 06 13:05:46 :) Jan 06 13:05:52 nice DocScrutinizer05 Jan 06 13:05:57 set passwords for root and user Jan 06 13:06:11 and then add a couple of entries in sudoers Jan 06 13:06:28 (sudoers uses files in sudoers.d and update-sudoers, the actual /etc/sudoers file is autogenerated) Jan 06 13:06:30 Going to try the link from that page on my phone and see if the map data displays map data it didn't previously display (i.e. new housing estate where my family lives) Jan 06 13:07:08 i read everything again while waiting for the battery to charge and that took over 3 hours. the flashing guide told me to fully charge before flashing Jan 06 13:07:27 well... you don't necessarily have to do that, but it's still good practice to do so Jan 06 13:07:37 oh ok i already added one command into /etc/sudoers Jan 06 13:07:50 the actual flashing is pretty quick, as you've seen, so you don't really need much battery Jan 06 13:08:00 so it would get overwritten on reboot? Jan 06 13:08:05 warfaren: add your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and run update-sudoers as root Jan 06 13:08:15 it'll get overwritten as soon as something runs update-sudoers Jan 06 13:08:24 its a shellscript i made for flashing the led Jan 06 13:08:24 usually scripts of packages that ship their own sudoers file Jan 06 13:08:41 guess i could just chmod 777 the files tooo Jan 06 13:08:45 hm, i was thinking more of "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" Jan 06 13:08:57 and "root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" Jan 06 13:09:21 oh i thought it would be more secure to limit myself and su to root when reaööy needed Jan 06 13:09:39 su doesn't work Jan 06 13:09:46 well with ssh Jan 06 13:09:47 because of messybox Jan 06 13:09:51 :P Jan 06 13:09:55 that will work, yes, but it's kind of annoying Jan 06 13:10:12 (and sudo will ask for a password if you don't use it after a timeout) Jan 06 13:10:33 yeah i guess. could do alias su=ssh 127.0.0.1 lol Jan 06 13:10:44 yeah Jan 06 13:11:35 where do i best put aliases btw? i get kinda afraid to use .profile again Jan 06 13:12:36 it depends if you want to eventually use bash or not Jan 06 13:14:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872&page=15 (<-maps3.0) Jan 06 13:14:39 oh ok. well i think this shell works too. it was just that history didnt log very many entries that annoyed me kinda Jan 06 13:14:52 i'm not exactly sure of which files busybox runs, and when Jan 06 13:15:12 ok Jan 06 13:15:15 ok which ones should i backup? @DocScrutinizer05 Jan 06 13:15:34 ~shrug* Jan 06 13:15:48 anyone tried v 00.02.42.122? Jan 06 13:15:54 well anyways im gonna go set up stuff in sudoers.d to get myself familiar Jan 06 13:15:56 brkn: all versions then ;) space is sufficient and they are small Jan 06 13:15:58 I never downloaded any maps for maemo-maps Jan 06 13:16:36 ~tell warfaren about jrtools Jan 06 13:17:22 newest nmap suck Jan 06 13:17:23 somebody said it has "a lot of useful information" Jan 06 13:17:56 i disagree Jan 06 13:18:04 ?p Jan 06 13:18:07 :p Jan 06 13:18:57 anyway, about maps.. those 'offlin' ones are older than what you get 'online' Jan 06 13:20:14 Sicelo: err wut? I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion Jan 06 13:20:30 n3mu5: Why? Jan 06 13:20:46 DocScrutinizer05: could be true but still for backup reasons i prefer slightly older maps than no online maps at all Jan 06 13:21:11 brkn: sorry? Jan 06 13:21:58 "I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion" > may be not true Jan 06 13:22:19 could be that tiles are newer but those zips are generated every few months only Jan 06 13:22:30 to spare them the traffic when ppl update their map packs Jan 06 13:22:31 hmm, might be Jan 06 13:22:49 can not run as usually Jan 06 13:22:59 always show route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "lo" Jan 06 13:23:02 thus the statement i prefer having slightly older maps instead of having none at all if they shut down the thing for n9 or n900 Jan 06 13:23:17 but then again i have no clue what will continue and what not Jan 06 13:23:29 brkn: I wasn't aware they pack several tiles into zip for offline download Jan 06 13:23:41 now you are xD Jan 06 13:24:03 still i need someone with a N900 "14:15 anyone tried v 00.02.42.122?" Jan 06 13:24:15 what is that? Jan 06 13:24:18 if confirmed working i will get those instead of v1 maps Jan 06 13:25:51 pity N900 doesn't easily show co-ordinates. i would show a place that would cost you a 30km detour with the 'offline' maps Jan 06 13:27:55 brkn: I wouldn't even know how to test that Jan 06 13:28:25 what is v 00.0.2.42.122? Jan 06 13:28:40 maps? or something else Jan 06 13:28:40 indeed Jan 06 13:28:41 Sicelo: version of the map data Jan 06 13:29:18 ok. link please. i might be able to see which ones i downloaded. Jan 06 13:29:46 for which country? Jan 06 13:30:15 i got southern africa Jan 06 13:30:47 http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.02.42.122/4834.zip Jan 06 13:31:29 pls backup first, i don't know whether it will mess up maps or not Jan 06 13:31:38 it sucks that Maps doesn't show co-ordinates :( Jan 06 13:32:26 brkn: what other versions are there? Jan 06 13:32:26 I'd hope Sicelo is using BM on a regular schedule ;-) Jan 06 13:33:37 or try with the official nokia map downloader Jan 06 13:33:43 and check which version it wants to download Jan 06 13:34:27 i use linux. no nokia map loader here Jan 06 13:34:50 if somebody is using such an official downloader, heck if it even exists Jan 06 13:34:59 or what Sicelosaid Jan 06 13:35:03 it does, win/mac only Jan 06 13:35:09 I am using http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.25.114/3550.zip for Australia Jan 06 13:35:14 i don't have a n900 else it would already run inside a vm Jan 06 13:35:16 If anyone has a link to anything newer for Australia please tell me Jan 06 13:36:03 also do we know if the maps Nokia Maps uses are raster tiles downloaded from some server or if they are vector map data rendered on the phone? I suspect the latter Jan 06 13:36:05 brkn: so what do you need the maps for then? :-/ Jan 06 13:36:15 jonwil: http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.02.42.122/4850.zip Jan 06 13:36:33 jonwil: raster afaik Jan 06 13:36:38 So that's the latest Australian maps that are known to exist? Jan 06 13:36:40 Anybody got Germany? Jan 06 13:36:49 Sicelo: backup up all N9 + N900 related stuff Jan 06 13:36:52 I *own* Germany Jan 06 13:36:59 B-) Jan 06 13:37:20 Quite cheap, that Country, yes. =) Jan 06 13:37:24 repos, sdk, scratchbox, firmwares everything Jan 06 13:37:30 atm 1tb Jan 06 13:37:31 so you could argue Germany got me, and there's no remedy Jan 06 13:37:36 I'll look for a Map-Loader in the Program Manager Jan 06 13:37:43 I could, true. Jan 06 13:37:49 But I do not bother ATM. Jan 06 13:38:16 Hi Kilroo Jan 06 13:38:48 windows maploader is here: http://download.cnet.com/Nokia-Map-Loader/3000-20432_4-10972353.html Jan 06 13:39:11 _below_ the green button (direct download link) Jan 06 13:39:37 what's "windows"? Jan 06 13:39:59 The Plural of Window. Jan 06 13:41:12 god I hate download.com these days, they try to force crappy spyware on you whenever you download something Jan 06 13:41:16 @ DocScrutinizer05: that ugly thing running in vms to scare little children Jan 06 13:41:18 * DocScrutinizer05 has a glance out his kitchen window Jan 06 13:41:31 If you miss any of the "dont install this Jan 06 13:41:41 "dont install this" buttons you can end up with who knows what Jan 06 13:42:02 brkn: it been VMS before Bill Gates hired the crew and named it WNT Jan 06 13:42:34 Acknowledged. Jan 06 13:42:42 ok, so I know that if I have no pre-cached maps at all Nokia Maps will download a bunch of files and in so doing display the location I care about (the one that it didn't display in the past) Jan 06 13:42:47 the new housing estate Jan 06 13:43:02 So the secret then is just to find the newest set of downloadable zip for maps so that I can have as much pre-cached as possible Jan 06 13:43:29 But there really ought to exist a Map-Loader in the Program Manager, oughtn't there? Jan 06 13:43:30 and not have to have maps download so much over 3G when I use it (either next time I am on holidays to see the family or around my own city) Jan 06 13:43:59 Going to try the map-loader from cnet Jan 06 13:44:07 and see what that wants to pull Jan 06 13:44:31 and also try the 00.02.42.122 link from before Jan 06 13:44:45 billyboy followed an old pun with that scheme, probably started in Odyssey2001 with a computer named HAL9000 (IBM--) Jan 06 13:44:49 Hm, okay, just checked, seems there really is not. B-( Jan 06 13:45:08 Does the Windows-MapLoader work well in Wine? Jan 06 13:45:43 Apic: no clue, it needs the nokia connectivity suite (just installed in a clean vm) Jan 06 13:45:58 what a mess Jan 06 13:46:01 ic Jan 06 13:46:03 True Jan 06 13:46:37 Got link for Suite handy? Jan 06 13:46:43 I'll try completely WINE Jan 06 13:47:11 the number on the side of the SIM Jan 06 13:47:21 is there a way to get it from the modem? Jan 06 13:47:27 nope Jan 06 13:47:38 that's a production serial number Jan 06 13:47:38 I got a replacement sim card and they forgot to activate it Jan 06 13:47:49 and I cut it into a microSIM Jan 06 13:47:58 :/ Jan 06 13:47:59 ohlol Jan 06 13:48:13 I don't think they need that number usually Jan 06 13:48:18 they do Jan 06 13:48:21 what they need is the IMSI Jan 06 13:48:24 it's not the first time Jan 06 13:49:11 IMSI is available via network monitor for example, or via pnatd Jan 06 13:49:28 oh look, it ain't working Jan 06 13:49:28 http://i.imgur.com/lBv1O.png Jan 06 13:49:33 nokia wtf Jan 06 13:49:59 expect the unexpected Jan 06 13:50:11 anticipated worse ;-P Jan 06 13:50:41 like, it jumping outa your VM and nuke your bootsector Jan 06 13:50:44 oh yeah waiting for phone, now how to simulate a n900 Jan 06 13:50:50 lol Jan 06 13:51:12 Nokia Suite is megacrap Jan 06 13:51:15 I heard Jan 06 13:53:00 At least Nokia doesn't try and make you pay for Nokia Suite Jan 06 13:53:06 and we still are searching globally for the guy responsible that Nokia only supports windows for the PC suite needed for a *linux* phone Jan 06 13:53:13 jonwil: any success with the map loader? Jan 06 13:53:19 to shoot him with warm owl shit Jan 06 13:54:02 kerio: whats the point of putting a password on user? Jan 06 13:54:16 warfaren: to put a password to sudo Jan 06 13:54:28 ok, so I run map loader, it says "new version of map loader available" then "an unexpected error occurred" Jan 06 13:54:49 Now it says I need to connect my phone Jan 06 13:54:59 i see. but it would still auto login when i power on the phone? Jan 06 13:55:25 yes Jan 06 13:55:37 alright Jan 06 13:55:50 honestly you should read ~jrtools Jan 06 13:56:10 i read the link the bot pmed me Jan 06 13:56:12 it actually has some nice tweaks Jan 06 13:56:35 (shameless self-advertising) Jan 06 13:56:40 ok, now I am in PC Suite mode and its doing its thing Jan 06 13:56:45 :p Jan 06 13:57:17 nope, still sitting on "waiting for phone" Jan 06 13:57:30