**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 13 02:59:59 2013 Jan 13 07:43:52 lol, so SGS-II can't hot-swap the sd card, yet there is an 'Unmount SD card' option in storage settings, supposedly to allow you to remove sd card safely. Jan 13 07:44:38 i didnt know safety shud be considered with sd cards also, Jan 13 07:44:52 i always just pull it out from n900 without giving n900 any warning Jan 13 07:44:56 :o Jan 13 07:45:01 it should.. even maemo does it :P Jan 13 07:45:08 really Jan 13 07:45:25 so what happens behind the scenes when i'm pulling the card out without executing any commands Jan 13 07:45:31 yes.. N900 does it for you though Jan 13 07:46:08 umm, does it do this when the back cover is removed? Jan 13 07:46:12 :| Jan 13 07:46:13 it senses as soon as you take back cover off, which is why sd card can't be seen without back cover on Jan 13 07:46:18 ahh Jan 13 07:46:21 cool Jan 13 07:46:34 even symbian did that Jan 13 07:46:38 hmmm Jan 13 07:48:00 the funny thing is: why have that menu if the associated action can't be performed anyway, ll. then these people are the every ones who say Maemo looks unfinished/unpolished Jan 13 07:49:19 meh, my typing is rubbish this morning Jan 13 07:49:44 hmm, its ok Jan 13 07:50:42 Hi Jan 13 07:50:53 well nothing in technology depresses me like this fact that maemo/meego didnt get too many devices Jan 13 07:50:54 I'm having a strange issue with my phone Jan 13 07:51:03 hi DaReaper Jan 13 07:51:06 my 2G/3G network disconnects, shows a No sim symbol when i use GPRS Jan 13 07:51:28 happens mostly when i connect my phone to my laptop via USB cable Jan 13 07:51:38 when i unplug the USB cable from either ends of the cable Jan 13 07:51:43 the network goes Jan 13 07:51:50 and reconnects after few seconds Jan 13 07:52:02 also the network goes down when i use GPRS for more than 10 minutes Jan 13 07:52:25 UM, if you're using the thing as a USB modem, why wouldn't it disconnect from the network? Jan 13 07:52:48 the network itself goes off Jan 13 07:52:51 2G/3G network Jan 13 07:53:02 shows No signal/ No SIM symbol Jan 13 07:53:29 the operator name goes away Jan 13 07:53:30 too Jan 13 07:53:43 and then i have to wait for it to find the network and connect Jan 13 07:53:55 its annoying cause since the network goes down like that, my GPRS goes down Jan 13 07:53:57 i can't browse Jan 13 07:53:58 you either have a sucky operator, or bad location, or you cell-mo is on its way out (known issue) Jan 13 07:54:10 But the bars on the signal are full Jan 13 07:54:16 both for 2.5 G and 3.5 G Jan 13 07:54:19 or 2G , 3G Jan 13 07:54:46 can you guys read this please http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=88643 I have my issue stated there properly Jan 13 07:56:39 btw what's a cell-mo? Jan 13 07:59:13 Oh and also this one more thing. When my phone's charging via laptop USB cable, and if i receive a message or call. Network goes away Jan 13 07:59:21 the call cuts in middle Jan 13 08:00:25 seems like a hw issue Jan 13 08:00:30 hmm Jan 13 08:00:39 Its weird cause my phone never fell down Jan 13 08:00:44 try to get repaired maybe Jan 13 08:00:46 or i never took it out of the house Jan 13 08:00:52 Uhm what kind of hardware issue? Jan 13 08:00:53 wow Jan 13 08:01:15 how long have u used this device Jan 13 08:01:21 i bought it in 2009 december Jan 13 08:01:23 i think Jan 13 08:01:43 DaReaper: is this on edge? Jan 13 08:01:56 Both on Edge and 3G Jan 13 08:01:57 it fails Jan 13 08:02:30 it shows 2.5 G always, so i think its edge Jan 13 08:13:09 Don't know what to do Jan 13 08:13:21 i'll probably have to pay up and get it checked Jan 13 08:20:49 o/ Jan 13 08:21:39 wierd isn't it? Jan 13 09:15:19 added my Skype account to "VoIP and IM accounts" and availability is now showing me as Online, but how do i open a skype chat session or call? Jan 13 09:19:19 ah. found the "Conversations" app for IM Jan 13 09:23:20 grummund: and you call with Phone, ofc Jan 13 09:23:36 what do you think this is, android? Jan 13 09:24:18 Phone only lets me dial numbers, guess i need to add a contact first Jan 13 09:24:37 hm, i'm not sure how to call a username actually Jan 13 09:24:41 but there should be a way Jan 13 09:29:10 kerio: in phone, when you have the numpad, you can select of you want to do a mobile call or something else Jan 13 09:29:19 (for example I have a SIP account configured) Jan 13 09:29:23 hmh, well, on N9 anyway Jan 13 09:30:12 and there are letters on the numpad, but indeed I don't know how to enter them... Jan 13 09:31:32 with the keyboard, maybe? :) Jan 13 09:31:41 yep :) Jan 13 09:33:48 still haven't quite got the hang of things Jan 13 09:37:43 find myself tapping top-left multiple times until i get where i want to be Jan 13 09:38:28 kerio: not on n9 :) Jan 13 09:38:37 Corsac: sucks2beu Jan 13 09:39:05 well, tbh, I don't use skype and for sip I usually call phone numbers anyway Jan 13 09:41:16 doesn't SIP use numbers, anyway? Jan 13 09:41:33 sip *seems* to be working for me now, except sipgate is giving busy signal when called but i think that is a routing problem on the public network Jan 13 09:42:55 and i found that using voipfone.net instead of voipfone.co.uk fixes the one-way audio problem Jan 13 09:45:03 when using skype the contacts are auto added to your contacts list so just choose a contact and make a Skype call or IM Jan 13 09:45:24 thedead1440: :nod: Jan 13 09:46:10 fremantle is contact-centric :). there is no skype, gtalk,facebook chat, whatever shitty apps there are on android Jan 13 09:46:42 harmattan too :p Jan 13 09:46:53 sure Jan 13 09:47:04 I thought it is about n900 Jan 13 09:47:38 shame it does not allow more than one skype account active at the same time Jan 13 09:48:43 grummund: desktop skype does not allow either, at least the version I am usung Jan 13 09:48:57 true even on the desktop you have to sign out first Jan 13 09:49:17 grummund: BTW install "Merge your duplicate contacts" plugin Jan 13 09:50:03 will make your life easier to link all the different stuff Jan 13 09:50:19 desktop version i have multiple instances running, but it was a hack. Jan 13 09:50:44 grummund: we all know about it, but this is not the point Jan 13 09:51:10 (runas ;) ) Jan 13 09:51:15 its about integration; you don't want to be choosing a contact then deciding which account to call out from :D Jan 13 09:51:39 or you need to find the contact is from which of your account and then call using that account Jan 13 09:52:41 thedead1440: BTW no "find contacts to merge" on HARM, ain't? Jan 13 09:53:10 the options has a setting for Merge Contacts freemangordon :D Jan 13 09:53:10 well if i go into Phone it does *not* show my skype contacts, is that what you mean? Jan 13 09:53:39 grummund: use the contacts app; you can toggle availability from the top menu too so as to filter IM contacts from rest Jan 13 09:54:00 grummund: in phone choose "select contack" Jan 13 09:54:27 freemangordon: that's exactly what i did. Jan 13 09:55:06 thedead1440: you go me wrong, I know you can merge by hand. on n900 there is contacts app plugin which searches through the DB and offers you merge candidates Jan 13 09:55:49 grummund: then choose the one you want to dial-out Jan 13 09:56:11 make sure you are online on skype Jan 13 09:56:22 freemangordon: same you click merge contacts and click refresh; it'll merge it for you but yeah it doesn't show you the whole list that its about to merge Jan 13 09:56:51 thedead1440: aah, so it does it for you? nice Jan 13 09:57:19 freemangordon: yup :) if you added an IM account too it usually will do an auto-merge or you click Refresh for the merge to happen Jan 13 09:57:40 good Jan 13 09:58:09 freemangordon: HARM is not as bad as you think :p Jan 13 09:58:16 thedead1440: someone should port fremantle to n9/0 at last :D Jan 13 09:58:36 thedead1440: sure, but feels lacking Jan 13 09:58:39 yup it would be good to have an alternative Jan 13 09:58:55 freemangordon: Phone does not list skype contacts, Contacts does. Jan 13 09:59:34 grummund: Phone lists Skype contacts but you can't make a Skype call unless such has been done before you can only make a SkypeOut call using the "Select contact" option Jan 13 09:59:36 grummund: phone just list your contacts, you have to choose which one you want to tial Jan 13 09:59:47 *dial Jan 13 10:00:32 maybe i'm doing something wrong but Select Contact in the Phone app definitely does *not* list my skype contacts Jan 13 10:00:32 also the other party have to be online too Jan 13 10:01:00 except the ones i already have called. Jan 13 10:02:14 grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This is what I use and find most useful Jan 13 10:02:27 status is better Jan 13 10:02:43 status? Jan 13 10:03:00 oops, scratch that Jan 13 10:03:08 online/busy/offline Jan 13 10:03:14 not "ABC" but "Availability" Jan 13 10:03:20 yep Jan 13 10:04:10 kerio: it is called "Availability" with english as device language Jan 13 10:04:22 oic Jan 13 10:10:56 can i import contacts from a SIM card to use with SIP? Jan 13 10:11:44 in contacts app there is "get contacts" option in the menu Jan 13 10:12:11 "copy from sim card" is your friend Jan 13 10:25:14 Aut2 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:14 | (----` / ^ \ `---| |----`| | __ | \| | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:14 \ \ / /_\ \ | | | | |_ | | . ` | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:14 .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | Jan 13 10:25:14 |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ Jan 13 10:25:16 [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x Jan 13 10:25:19 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt Jan 13 10:25:21 wat Jan 13 10:25:22 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too Jan 13 10:25:24 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. Jan 13 10:25:27 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful Jan 13 10:25:30 1102 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:32 | (----` / ^ \ `---| |----`| | __ | \| | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:35 \ \ / /_\ \ | | | | |_ | | . ` | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:37 .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | Jan 13 10:25:40 |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ Jan 13 10:25:42 [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x Jan 13 10:25:45 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt Jan 13 10:25:48 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too Jan 13 10:25:50 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. Jan 13 10:25:52 haha wtf? Jan 13 10:25:53 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful Jan 13 10:25:56 1102 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | Jan 13 10:25:57 mispaste, clearly Jan 13 10:25:58 | (----` / ^ \ `---| |----`| | __ | \| | | | | | Jan 13 10:26:01 \ \ / /_\ \ | | | | |_ | | . ` | | | | | Jan 13 10:26:01 *huge* mispaste Jan 13 10:26:03 .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | Jan 13 10:26:05 goddammit where are the ops Jan 13 10:26:06 |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ Jan 13 10:26:08 [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x Jan 13 10:26:11 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt Jan 13 10:26:14 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too Jan 13 10:26:16 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. Jan 13 10:26:18 its non-stop mispaste :p Jan 13 10:26:19 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This Jan 13 10:26:22 what I use and find most useful Jan 13 10:26:38 Lava_Croft: u dun goof'd Jan 13 10:29:00 putty fucked up somewhere Jan 13 10:29:04 my apologies Jan 13 10:29:16 That is some fucking horrible spam Jan 13 10:29:19 Lava_Croft: which irc client? Jan 13 10:29:25 irrelevant? Jan 13 10:29:29 irssi over ssh Jan 13 10:29:34 same here Jan 13 10:29:50 Lava_Croft: mine asks me if I try to paste more than onle line Jan 13 10:29:55 *one Jan 13 10:29:57 configure irssi not to paste Jan 13 10:30:09 or just forget about it since this happens about once a year Jan 13 10:30:09 we need moar ops, btw Jan 13 10:30:19 that's the kind of situation that gets instantly nullified by a kick Jan 13 10:30:38 (not a punishment kick, mind you) Jan 13 10:30:43 well, there's always people who feel the need to make something really big and nasty of something silly as a fucked up paste Jan 13 10:30:53 paste_verify_line_count = "1"; Jan 13 10:31:04 also, never forgive, never forget Jan 13 10:31:25 thats not the line Jan 13 10:31:31 the line, its forgiven, but not forgotten Jan 13 10:31:36 :) Jan 13 10:31:47 maybe you forgive Jan 13 10:31:48 i don't Jan 13 10:32:04 You have your youthful brashness that blocks forgiveness Jan 13 10:32:14 /set paste_verify_line_count 1 Jan 13 10:32:24 /save Jan 13 10:32:31 oh, good news for MS Jan 13 10:32:37 Samsung cancels US Windows RT tablets Jan 13 10:32:58 Lava_Croft: is that really good news for M$? Jan 13 10:33:07 why do people always write m$ Jan 13 10:33:16 apart from trying to be childish Jan 13 10:33:22 and succeeding Jan 13 10:33:25 that one :D Jan 13 10:33:29 ;) Jan 13 10:33:37 cuz m$ is teh suxx0rz Jan 13 10:33:42 yeah the correct spelling is micro$oft Jan 13 10:33:43 It's 'good' news for MS as in that maybe people will forget about WindowsRT very soon:) Jan 13 10:33:53 Lava_Croft: never forgive, never forget Jan 13 10:34:03 maybe this is good for the people ;) Jan 13 10:34:13 if never forgive never forget is the line i should go, it's probably time to burn down espoo hq Jan 13 10:35:00 but I doubt it is good for micro$oft yet another big (biggest?) player getting rid of something wondoze Jan 13 10:35:00 Try going to a big electronics store in your town and try to spot any Windows RT devices:) Jan 13 10:35:14 They have the proper Windows8, why bother with RT Jan 13 10:36:01 who? samsung? Jan 13 10:36:06 anybody Jan 13 10:36:14 manufacturers, resellers Jan 13 10:36:19 customers Jan 13 10:36:25 and who makes the difference? Jan 13 10:36:36 in what way Jan 13 10:37:19 even I cannot tell WTF is winrt and win8. mind you, I am still on XP on my desktop Jan 13 10:37:38 winrt is windows on arm with a bit set that prohibits installing unsigned apps Jan 13 10:37:43 thats basically the only difference with windows8 Jan 13 10:37:43 W8RT == Win8 for kids Jan 13 10:37:56 Lava_Croft: I was not asking ;) Jan 13 10:37:56 windowsrt can do the same stuff win8 can, its a proper port Jan 13 10:38:10 Lava_Croft: Office for one keeps lagging on the Surface Jan 13 10:38:11 as I don;t really care Jan 13 10:38:20 what surface Jan 13 10:38:22 RT or Pro Jan 13 10:38:28 RT Jan 13 10:38:33 maybe shit office port, idk Jan 13 10:38:51 iirc windowsrt is a fully functional windows8 port, only one thing is set that makes it so you can only install MS approved apps Jan 13 10:39:12 yup Jan 13 10:40:01 that has been hacked into though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092158 Jan 13 10:40:06 aye Jan 13 10:40:08 last week Jan 13 10:40:46 DocScrutinizer05: are you happy now :P? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314326#post1314326 Jan 13 10:40:59 hahaha Jan 13 11:01:26 :) Jan 13 12:01:47 ah crap, i deleted my gprs connection with gconftool Jan 13 12:02:22 now i have to install a tool with a silly name to fix that :s Jan 13 12:10:13 can't create a new one? Jan 13 12:10:19 nope Jan 13 12:10:31 not without fapn Jan 13 12:10:39 LOL FUNNY NAME Jan 13 12:11:28 hmm, weird. i deleted my gprs connections, and never had to install fapn to fix it Jan 13 12:11:58 i used my provider's autoconfiguration sms actually Jan 13 12:12:00 much better Jan 13 13:05:48 kerio, sorry to bother you again, but do you know who to contact if account registration on garage doesn't work? Jan 13 13:45:47 Pali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd? Jan 13 13:46:05 I have it for rescueOS Jan 13 13:46:37 does it have backlight on? Jan 13 13:46:49 I used one without backlight on Jan 13 13:46:55 pain in ass Jan 13 13:48:31 WizardNumberNext: https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/linux-n900/ Jan 13 13:48:38 it has backlight support too Jan 13 13:49:04 this is with watchdog support Jan 13 13:49:17 with my watchdogs binary for kicking Jan 13 13:49:31 so if rescueos freeze, HW will reboot device Jan 13 13:49:41 note that there is problem with poweroff/reboot Jan 13 13:49:52 without '-f' device will freeze Jan 13 13:50:00 what's -f? Jan 13 13:50:03 so wait until watchdog will kick Jan 13 13:50:06 kerio, force Jan 13 13:50:08 oic Jan 13 13:50:11 do not run any script Jan 13 13:50:24 tell to kernel to shutdown/reboot imediately Jan 13 13:50:35 I do not know if it umount anything Jan 13 13:50:48 so first umount mmc/ubifs Jan 13 13:50:52 and then call it Jan 13 13:51:10 so wait until watchdog will reboot device (if is enabled) Jan 13 13:51:25 by default kernel drivers disabling watchdogs Jan 13 14:03:16 Pali: that's good info - appratiate it Jan 13 14:04:51 thank you very much, might get usefull Jan 13 14:05:14 Pali: did you try charging? Jan 13 14:05:30 WizardNumberNext, yes but charger autodetection not working Jan 13 14:05:41 go to /sys/class/power_supply/bq241*/ Jan 13 14:05:55 and do "echo host > mode" for usb charger Jan 13 14:06:08 or "echo dedicated > mode" for wall charger Jan 13 14:06:18 and when I would plug wall charger? Jan 13 14:06:21 ok Jan 13 14:06:22 to disable charging do "echo none > mode" Jan 13 14:06:36 as usual - very usefull Jan 13 14:07:00 seen somewhere this info, but reading twice = memorize better Jan 13 14:07:01 you need to do this maunally, because isp charger detection driver still reporting no charger connected... Jan 13 14:07:25 this is in kernel charging driver, you do not need any other script or userspace app Jan 13 14:07:43 oh, its up isp1707 - is it up to kernel module or simply it is not autoloaded for some reason? Jan 13 14:08:12 yeah, I can recognize path Jan 13 14:10:05 on dying battery isp might quite big issue Jan 13 14:10:21 sometimes I plug charger just seconds before it dies Jan 13 14:10:43 I know it dies around 3.15-3.25v Jan 13 14:10:48 but it depends Jan 13 14:12:44 Pali: if I flash pr 1.3 on n950, will I lose my data? Jan 13 14:13:06 I did not flashed 1.3, but I think yes Jan 13 14:13:24 maybe you need also (re)flash mmc image (from pr1.2) Jan 13 14:13:40 Pali: are you the developer of RescueOS? Jan 13 14:13:44 :( Jan 13 14:13:50 jon_y, no Jan 13 14:13:57 I would love to get n950, do people actually sell them from tie to time?" Jan 13 14:14:08 oh ok, the info about wifi passwords need to be updated Jan 13 14:14:17 use /run/wlan.conf Jan 13 14:14:21 well, there's some dude on TMO who has like *four* Jan 13 14:14:22 not /wlan.conf Jan 13 14:14:34 ~rescueOS Jan 13 14:14:34 extra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Jan 13 14:14:54 tell this to NIN101 Jan 13 14:15:02 kerio: he came to brag? :( Jan 13 14:15:07 yep Jan 13 14:16:05 I got my linux kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on server - work for now (and it does have powersave for 802.11 enabled by default and I use both SMPS and GF) Jan 13 14:18:15 jon_y: he's "n950" on tmo Jan 13 14:18:23 he has a bunch of n9 prototypes too Jan 13 14:18:54 :( Jan 13 14:19:04 especially right after my n900 screen died Jan 13 14:19:38 jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621 <- maximum bragging Jan 13 14:20:23 I hope he steps on a lego Jan 13 14:27:40 * WizardNumberNext is hoping same Jan 13 14:28:20 the hell 750 gbp - I could get one and half brand new sgs3 Jan 13 14:28:51 can i run mplayer on easy-debian to play a movie without any problem? Jan 13 14:30:26 timmy: sure, if it's a low enough resolution and a simple enough codec Jan 13 14:31:27 that bekuz the built-in version of mplayer in maemo doesn't show the rtl subtitles correctly Jan 13 15:25:06 oh, nokia issued an awesome fix for their https stealing browser Jan 13 15:25:18 "This time they are tunneling HTTPS traffic over HTTP connection to their server" Jan 13 15:29:40 Lava_Croft: that's because they got frightened by a non issue Jan 13 15:29:57 the original poster didn't have a clue about how everything works, apparently Jan 13 15:30:35 Sicelo; vanilla android has that option and it works. Probably samsung forgot to remove it. Though, I wonder if it would be a side effect of apps on uSD? Google said the reason they killed microsd slot was that they were fed up with OEMs making devices that have 100Megs free space for apps.. Jan 13 15:36:09 it didn't come from installed apps. my dad didn't even have a uSD. i saw this yesterday when i gave him a 16GB card, only to be disappointed that you have to shut down the device in order to insert uSD Jan 13 15:38:35 wtf :) Jan 13 15:47:47 kerio: "where are the ops?" is not the right way to call for chanop attention Jan 13 15:47:58 freemangordon: yes, happy Jan 13 15:48:41 freemangordon: only this poor new user obviously forgot to R*T*F*M Jan 13 15:48:57 that's for sure :D Jan 13 15:50:09 DocScrutinizer05: it was incredibly situational, an op should've been there to do anything Jan 13 15:50:48 in the time it would've took for you to notice the nickping, see what was going on, get ops from chanserv and kick, the problem would've gone away anyway Jan 13 15:54:45 kerio: usually not Jan 13 15:55:02 get op: Jan 13 15:55:09 D: Jan 13 15:55:10 kick_: Jan 13 15:55:15 :-D Jan 13 15:55:19 naaah Jan 13 15:55:29 deop: Jan 13 15:56:40 see what's going on: 0.5s Jan 13 15:59:06 DocScrutinizer05, are you using KMail? Jan 13 16:03:23 yep, why? Jan 13 16:03:47 because akonadi? Jan 13 16:13:13 Pali: ^^ Jan 13 16:13:50 I'm going to downgrade kdepim to akonadiless version Jan 13 16:14:05 mysql database daemon eating 100MB Jan 13 16:14:13 kontact eating another 150MB Jan 13 16:14:48 + akonadi kabc plugin has bug in threads which casuse deadlock Jan 13 16:14:58 for applications which does not use akonadi but kabc Jan 13 16:15:02 (for example kopete) Jan 13 16:15:37 DocScrutinizer05, do you have old kmail1 or akonadi kmail2? Jan 13 16:16:31 and kmail2 needs virtuoso for email searching Jan 13 16:16:43 + another 50MB Jan 13 16:17:06 + memory leaks in that shits... Jan 13 16:17:31 kmail2 is beyond hope Jan 13 16:17:32 so for emails I need about 350 - 400 MB Jan 13 16:17:40 which is stupid Jan 13 16:18:01 2013, the year of linux on desktop Jan 13 16:18:45 as long as you have 32gb of ram Jan 13 16:25:45 kerio, + 128 core CPU :-) Jan 13 16:25:52 one core for one shit Jan 13 16:37:41 i have installed mplayer on easy-debian, when i want to play a movie, there is no sound. how can i fix it? Jan 13 16:40:23 there something wrong with mplayer on maemo? Jan 13 16:41:32 time to quit the survey and start serving the hay Jan 13 16:42:34 When will it be the year of the Windows Server Jan 13 16:53:14 Pali: yes, kmail2 is useless and fubar Jan 13 16:57:17 ShadowJK: no, i am going to run mplayer on easydebian Jan 13 16:58:19 timmy: the point was - why not use maemo mplayer? Jan 13 16:59:15 that because mplayer on maemo can't show hebrew/RTL subtitles correctly Jan 13 16:59:34 hm Jan 13 17:11:57 well, vlc worked perfect ^_^ Jan 13 17:57:53 I do not belive, old kontact with all loaded modules eat only 64MB Jan 13 17:58:28 nice RAM usage reduction -300MB :-) Jan 13 17:59:22 remember. Jan 13 17:59:28 RSS is a lie Jan 13 17:59:50 http://www.selenic.com/smem/ Jan 13 18:00:00 though I think recent tops can do this too Jan 13 18:01:02 SpeedEvil, memory is without shared (private per process) Jan 13 18:02:01 -100MB for mysql daemon, -150 for kontact, -50MB for akonadi_imap_resource, - some memory leaks Jan 13 18:02:37 k Jan 13 18:07:23 Pali: I tried to import mail from old kmail1 to kmail2, speed was like 1 mail per second Jan 13 18:07:47 I did it 2 years ago Jan 13 18:07:55 (and it's still running) Jan 13 18:07:59 the whole thing is seriously fekked up Jan 13 18:07:59 but I did not do migration Jan 13 18:08:15 I donwloaded messages from imap again Jan 13 18:08:28 I have full backup on gmail imap server Jan 13 18:08:29 insatble and a hog for all that's precious Jan 13 18:08:49 now I'm going to create git tree for akonadi less kdepim Jan 13 18:09:03 full kdepim without akonadi Jan 13 18:09:18 and nobody really likes it, search the internets for comments on kmail2, it's devastating Jan 13 18:09:38 git repository was created: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdepim%2Fpali%2Fkdepim-noakonadi.git Jan 13 18:09:46 I will push patches ASAP Jan 13 18:09:51 I once tried to search its bug list, bugs.kde.org crashed and said something about too many tickets ;) Jan 13 18:09:59 it is based on 4.4 branch Jan 13 18:10:13 with kaddressbook from 4.3 (which is akonadiless) Jan 13 18:10:42 now downloading emails from imap again to *new* kmail :-) Jan 13 18:11:00