**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 14 02:59:59 2013 Jan 14 04:15:08 FYI: first step of tmo migration accomplished, new server up and operational on its IP which is not yet linked to talk.maemo.org URL Jan 14 05:02:55 Jaffa: GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 Jan 14 05:03:04 (MWKN) Jan 14 05:06:11 chem|st: ^^^ sticky? Jan 14 05:26:41 hi Jan 14 05:38:34 hi Jan 14 05:41:46 (tmo) if some of you want to test stuff like register, login, search, etc: 188.117.59.209 - tests appreciated. Please DO NOT use this server for posting any useful stuff yet, we will nuke the whole database again on Wednesday! Jan 14 05:44:55 DocScrutinizer05, It looks fully functional from where I am (east coast USA). Jan 14 05:45:20 i'm missing "tnaks" button on reggie's test post Jan 14 05:45:30 "thanks" even Jan 14 05:46:10 I get "Thanks" buttons. Jan 14 05:46:39 even on /showthread.php?p=1314431 ? Jan 14 05:47:38 (btw I don't get thanks buttons ever on maemo theme, not even on "old2 tmo) Jan 14 05:48:26 DocScrutinizer05, How specifically can I call up that post? Jan 14 05:48:54 it's on front bage under "general" Jan 14 05:49:00 newest post Jan 14 05:49:13 or you append /showthread.php?p=1314431 to the IP Jan 14 05:49:46 err "off topic" not "general" Jan 14 05:50:20 >>Last post: Test post from new server by joerg_rw @ Today 05:11<< Jan 14 05:51:12 DocScrutinizer05, I get a "Thanks!" button on Regie's post on email integration, if that's the one you mean. Jan 14 06:09:31 I guess "off topic" is not worthy :-P Jan 14 06:09:55 so no thanks button Jan 14 06:11:06 on a sidenote: the cookis from that server *might* eventually conflict with those from old one Jan 14 06:11:48 Ken-Young: thanks for help :-) Jan 14 06:12:22 It was the only useful thing I did all weekend. Jan 14 06:13:01 oh yeah, at your TZ it's still weekend :-D Jan 14 06:13:10 Just barely. Jan 14 06:13:35 here it's scary early monday morning Jan 14 06:14:12 Actually, it's 1:13 AM Monday here too, so I guess my weekend was a complete waste. Jan 14 06:14:59 bwahahaha we both got redirected to talk.maemo.org :-P Jan 14 06:15:17 or not Jan 14 06:15:20 WTF?! Jan 14 06:16:00 Rats! That's embarrassing. Jan 14 06:16:12 indeed Jan 14 06:16:58 It looks like only the new thread went there. My reply messages, posted earlier, seem to have gone to the new server. Jan 14 06:17:05 I guess we'd need the good ole etc/hosts hack Jan 14 06:17:36 anyway I'll try to delete my post Jan 14 06:17:36 Nope, I'm wrong about that. Jan 14 06:19:00 Can I delete the thread? Jan 14 06:20:49 I guess you can delete the thread as well, implicitly with deleting first post when it's the only one Jan 14 06:21:12 How does one delete a post - I don't see a button for that. Jan 14 06:21:31 SOrr, I see it now under edit. Jan 14 06:21:33 dang, is it me or is that server slow like geotectonics Jan 14 06:25:16 seems like some stuff takes ~60s to load Jan 14 06:25:58 Ken-Young: here you are: http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314432#post1314432 Jan 14 06:26:37 dang, that wasn't smart Jan 14 06:26:38 I get a "Quote & Reply" button, but no others. Jan 14 06:27:25 :-S Jan 14 06:27:45 Oh - THat was just because I wasn't logged in. Jan 14 06:28:04 Logged in, I get all three of the normal buttons on your new post. Jan 14 06:28:10 hi Jan 14 06:28:25 I was able to thank that post. Jan 14 06:29:27 aaah Jan 14 06:30:11 thanks for thanks ;-) Jan 14 06:30:35 hi unifly Jan 14 06:30:55 hi DocScrutinizer05 Jan 14 06:32:04 one ask, which package is missing if I have an error like this: "arm-linux-gcc: not found" ? Jan 14 06:32:23 errr Jan 14 06:32:44 probably more than you can install on your N900 Jan 14 06:32:54 i want compile a module for kernel Jan 14 06:33:02 on device? Jan 14 06:33:06 yes Jan 14 06:33:18 that's not exactly recommended Jan 14 06:33:21 in scratchbox found Jan 14 06:33:36 i make te module and found Jan 14 06:33:41 the Jan 14 06:34:24 you should build in scratchbox, on your PC Jan 14 06:34:27 but when i install this on device the module not found very well and i want to compile in device Jan 14 06:35:14 sorry? Jan 14 06:35:42 i want to compile module in device Jan 14 06:35:50 that's not exactly recommended Jan 14 06:36:11 can i port the module from scratchbot to device? Jan 14 06:36:19 you'll need complete toolchain and kernel sources Jan 14 06:36:28 yes understand Jan 14 06:36:30 sure, that's what scratchbox is meade for Jan 14 06:36:37 made* Jan 14 06:37:09 you switch target to "armel" and compile your module, then move it to device Jan 14 06:37:16 yes Jan 14 06:37:25 i move the folder in device Jan 14 06:37:32 and do make install? Jan 14 06:37:53 it's still tricky to get right the modversion / vermagic or what its called Jan 14 06:38:22 you probably will have to copy the mu Jan 14 06:38:54 module.ko file to the modules/ dir, then run depmod -a Jan 14 06:39:00 yes Jan 14 06:39:04 it's found Jan 14 06:39:16 but have an error in dmesg Jan 14 06:39:30 when i plug the usb Jan 14 06:39:39 that's probably since your kernel version isn't in line with the one in module Jan 14 06:40:12 a867: unknown symbol dvb_usb_device_init Jan 14 06:40:25 in scratchbox there isn't Jan 14 06:40:35 aaa Jan 14 06:40:36 ok Jan 14 06:40:39 you need the kernel sources of the kernel you're running, and you need to have correct vermagic Jan 14 06:40:49 i see this Jan 14 06:41:11 thanks a lot Jan 14 06:41:15 yw Jan 14 06:41:46 if you need better help (i'm a bit dusty with that stuff) ask pali or freemangordon in here Jan 14 06:42:15 it's very usefull for me Jan 14 06:42:27 now i see the problem Jan 14 07:15:05 DocScrutinizer05: are you sure you're going to nuke the temporary tmo? Jan 14 07:38:59 Hello folks Jan 14 07:46:40 kerio: yes Jan 14 07:47:09 phew Jan 14 07:47:17 why? Are you pondering to use it as tempdir? Jan 14 07:47:53 no, it's just that it would be difficult to justify my latest post Jan 14 07:48:04 lol Jan 14 07:48:09 delete it, fool Jan 14 07:48:15 why? Jan 14 07:48:31 it's a really good thread imo Jan 14 07:48:39 btw beware, I got redirected to "real" tmo without even noticing Jan 14 07:48:56 :D Jan 14 07:48:57 i checked, there were 0 people viewing Jan 14 07:49:03 so better doublecheck where you're posting Jan 14 07:49:18 so either i was on the replacement, or the tmo community has become *really* small Jan 14 07:52:05 what r you guys doing to tmo :| Jan 14 07:52:25 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314434 Jan 14 07:52:29 best thread evah Jan 14 07:52:40 (put the new ip in your /etc/hosts) Jan 14 07:54:02 DocScrutinizer05: i'd love a "no, thanks" button Jan 14 07:54:10 hehe Jan 14 07:54:13 gud idea! Jan 14 07:54:15 for crappatch and the like Jan 14 07:57:08 *sigh* oh yeah, but that's trollfood sweet like candy Jan 14 07:59:31 I thought about more sophisticated stuff, like a "bank account" that has post-points you need to spend for posting stuff. Posts are becoming more expensive the more users complain about it or put it on ignore, and you gain points for posts that got thanked, or for time-of-membership Jan 14 08:01:56 let's just make up a cryptographically-secure currency called postcoin Jan 14 08:03:15 meh, what's wrong with a paypal-alike account? Jan 14 08:03:37 not decentralized enough! Jan 14 08:03:42 except for nobody wanting to transfer postcoins to another user/account Jan 14 08:04:38 I actually pondered to make tmo accounts cost 5 bucks per month Jan 14 08:05:09 but that would probably cause a shitstorm that kills the planet Jan 14 08:05:27 * kerio wouldn't get an account Jan 14 08:05:40 hah, me neither Jan 14 08:05:49 it's not that i'm opposed to paying for stuff like that Jan 14 08:06:12 it's just that i don't think tmo is worth 5 bucks for a lifetime subscription, let alone a month Jan 14 08:06:21 yep Jan 14 08:06:32 not for non-trolls Jan 14 08:06:39 ;-) Jan 14 08:06:42 i'd pay the shit out of irc Jan 14 08:06:47 hypothetically, of course Jan 14 08:07:42 lemme put it this way: if I'd *earn* a dime for each "thanks" I'd maybe even post more often ;-) Jan 14 08:08:01 you can, with the new postcoin system! Jan 14 08:08:21 *yawn* Jan 14 08:08:31 a satoshi for each thanks would be fine i suppose Jan 14 08:08:55 a real-world value of a frac Jan 14 08:09:00 *fraction of a cent Jan 14 08:09:16 (a satoshi is a millionth of a btc) Jan 14 09:03:34 if somebody feels bored, you could check `host ` from this http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD.html list and see if some are already active. Jan 14 09:04:44 the URLs, not the IP! Jan 14 09:09:47 repository.maemo.org dafaq! Jan 14 09:11:04 DocScrutinizer05: test&lists.maemo.org are on old IPs still Jan 14 09:11:23 and a few more Jan 14 09:11:36 bugs too Jan 14 09:11:37 but several are already updated Jan 14 09:11:42 wiki e.g. Jan 14 09:11:50 maemo.org Jan 14 09:12:31 drop.maemo,org Jan 14 09:12:40 garage, repo Jan 14 09:13:21 repo not Jan 14 09:13:31 repo is with akamain still Jan 14 09:13:35 repository.maemo.org is on akamai? Jan 14 09:14:04 repository.maemo.org. 18 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net Jan 14 09:14:13 i meant garage, repo to the list that are not updated yet :D Jan 14 09:14:29 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net Jan 14 09:15:16 yep, that's what i get too... garage is on 80.248.164.238 (Logica Finland) Jan 14 09:16:05 so Jan 14 09:16:28 [GENERAL NOTICE] wiki.maemo.org is back to normal operation for everybody Jan 14 09:16:59 ~jrtools Jan 14 09:16:59 cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 14 09:17:18 infobot: no, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 14 09:17:19 DocScrutinizer05: okay Jan 14 09:18:03 o/ Jan 14 09:21:24 DocScrutinizer05, but with wiki relying on garage accounts still no possibility to create new accounts? Jan 14 09:22:07 that's obscure to me Jan 14 09:22:33 I never wrapped my head around that SSO and how much of it got implemented Jan 14 09:22:37 hmm... i think garage cannot send confirmation emails cause of reverse lookups Jan 14 09:23:00 might as well be local signon that's just as borked as it ever was (well since months) Jan 14 09:23:14 yep, I think so Jan 14 09:23:14 any link for local acct registration? Jan 14 09:23:36 there's a register button upper right, no? Jan 14 09:24:05 nah Jan 14 09:24:29 Is the wiki back? Jan 14 09:26:44 wirr: indeed, nah Jan 14 09:26:50 vi____: yep Jan 14 09:30:08 Some bastards stole my motorcycle. Jan 14 09:30:24 I was gutted. Jan 14 09:30:37 Then the police found it and I was happy. Jan 14 09:30:49 Then it turns out I had to pay a 'recovery' fee. Jan 14 09:31:06 A recovery fee of £170 Jan 14 09:31:35 Yes, my motorcycle was stolen, then I had to pay the police £170 to get it back. Jan 14 09:31:39 police charging a recovery fee? Jan 14 09:31:49 that sounds… unscrupulous. Jan 14 09:32:01 Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike. Jan 14 09:32:11 Follow the money as they say. Jan 14 09:32:33 I still can barely believe it. Jan 14 09:32:54 It is the same fee they charge people who illegally park and have their cars towed. Jan 14 09:33:20 F* the uk. Jan 14 09:43:38 Can someone explain this? Jan 14 09:43:39 *VOut = calibrated_output_voltage; Jan 14 09:43:53 why is there a * before the variable name? Jan 14 09:46:30 VOut is a pointer, the * dereferences the pointer Jan 14 09:46:45 so it writes calibrated_output_voltage to the memory location pointed by VOut Jan 14 09:50:55 ( Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike.) LOL! Jan 14 09:51:54 vi____: OTOH when they tow away your car from a no-parking zone, you'd declare it as stolen... Jan 14 09:54:48 Well that is up for discussion. Jan 14 09:55:07 vi____: I guess once they catch the thief, you can try to get those 170 bucks back from him Jan 14 09:55:14 However someone who reports their vehicle as stolen BEFORE it is recovered. Jan 14 09:55:34 They will never catch him, they did not even take a statement. Jan 14 09:55:44 They do not give a shit. Jan 14 09:56:00 now THATS nasty Jan 14 09:56:01 And they wonder why everyone hates them? Jan 14 09:56:43 Hi guys, i'm curious about wifi BleedingEdge drivers , while i pess activate, it tells me 'can't load kernel module' Jan 14 09:57:03 XATRIX: garbage in==garbage out. Jan 14 09:57:11 Uf ? Jan 14 09:57:23 As long as i know, it has some extra features against default one Jan 14 09:57:43 You have barely asked 0.3 of a question. Jan 14 09:57:56 'press load'? Jan 14 09:58:03 It is a kernel module. Jan 14 09:58:42 Assuming you are not modprob'ing them, what are you actually asking about? Jan 14 09:59:33 has anyone had success running 3d-accelerated X ontop of debian armhf omap kernel? Jan 14 10:00:05 Not possible, the '3d' drivers are closed and ONLY work with the stock kernel version. Jan 14 10:00:32 ...and the nemo/mer kernel. Jan 14 10:01:17 vi____, odd... mer kernel is 2.6.30-something i thought. did they get the source under nda? Jan 14 10:02:37 vi____: actually i have wifi-applet on my sliding panel Jan 14 10:02:53 vi____: can I run Debian armhf ontop of the stock kernel? probably it's armel, no? Jan 14 10:02:55 And there's wifi switcher, with enable/disable button, + bleedinedge Jan 14 10:03:22 http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=2275&faq=37 Jan 14 10:12:02 wirr: Mer/Nemo kernel is 2.6.37, developed originally by Nokia with the help of the community for MeeGo CE Jan 14 10:15:16 Hi. respoitory.maemo.org is down. When will it be up again? Jan 14 10:17:07 works for me Jan 14 10:17:28 Ex-Opesa, try 188.117.59.203 for repository.maemo.org Jan 14 10:18:14 XATRIX: you need the matching driver kernel module for your kernel. I.E. you probably should get KP50 and http://david.gnedt.eu/wl1251/wl1251-maemo-0.2-power49+pre50.tar.gz Jan 14 10:18:19 wirr, thank you very much! Jan 14 10:19:16 ~interim-dns Jan 14 10:19:16 interim-dns is, like, "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" Jan 14 10:19:25 Z Jan 14 10:19:42 DocScrutinizer05: Sorry but what is KP50 ? Jan 14 10:37:10 DocScrutinizer05: Thank you for pointing me to that hosts file. Jan 14 11:39:05 anyone stackoverflow.com/questions/13195083/qt-sdk-1-2-1-not-possible-to-download-anymore Jan 14 11:53:22 "We thank you for indicating on our website that Jolla agrees to support a Sailfish on N900 project." That sounds good Jan 14 11:54:06 thanks appreciated :P Jan 14 11:59:54 Except for Opera and CuteTube, there has not been any newer versions for my n900 for a long time. What way does those keeping their n900 go? Staying with old software? Upgrading to SSU? Installing alternative OS? Jan 14 12:01:22 install more software, then you see more updates :) Jan 14 12:01:45 (slightly more only) .. consider it as matured finished device :P Jan 14 12:01:50 Do you have any extra repository to recommend? Jan 14 12:02:29 the normal (developer-) set extras, extras-testing, devel, tools .. whatever Jan 14 12:02:46 SSU+power kernel Jan 14 12:02:57 CSSU Jan 14 12:03:08 works for me at least Jan 14 12:03:23 i dont expect that much new sofware will emerge in future Jan 14 12:04:11 and i dont know which alternative os'es are worthwile (feature complete, you can use phone and camera and so on) Jan 14 12:04:54 A bit what I expected as an answer... Jan 14 12:05:18 and the device is somewhat memory constrained, i doubt any newer OS will make usability more fluent Jan 14 12:05:49 maemo works well for me meanwhile Jan 14 12:07:00 At least opera gives a bit of browsing performance (compared with the default browser) Jan 14 12:07:46 isn't opera a trojan? :) Jan 14 12:08:04 it phones home proxy Jan 14 12:08:49 only if you enable turbo Jan 14 12:09:44 try CSSU-thumb browser Jan 14 12:10:51 where is that? Jan 14 12:11:26 in cssu-thumb Jan 14 12:11:46 you'll need a custom kernel to go along with it Jan 14 12:12:09 are you a badass enough speed demon to do it? :) Jan 14 12:12:25 i dont want to reflash :) Jan 14 12:12:32 * thedead1440 never realized that microb on thumb was different than stock microb :o Jan 14 12:12:46 cehteh: no reflash needed Jan 14 12:12:53 just flash the kernel Jan 14 12:12:53 i mean when it breaks :) Jan 14 12:13:03 it didn't break for me Jan 14 12:13:04 thedead1440: err how exactly? Jan 14 12:13:17 microb-engine 1:20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0 Jan 14 12:13:22 normal microb works well enough for me, could be better but its ok Jan 14 12:13:25 cehteh: just flash back the stock kernel if you haven't installed cssu Jan 14 12:13:32 i didn't know it was compiled for thumb DocScrutinizer05 Jan 14 12:13:36 jon_y: i need the power kernel Jan 14 12:13:43 that's right Jan 14 12:14:02 thedead1440: it is, and it seems to make a difference Jan 14 12:14:39 DocScrutinizer05: yup just realized it; difference or not unsure as i've never used stock microb :D only thumb here since i got my n900 Jan 14 12:14:54 hehe Jan 14 12:16:07 how much does the n900 sell these days? Jan 14 12:16:45 i got mine used; for S$200 in August last year Jan 14 12:16:53 300 Euros? Jan 14 12:17:00 200 USD? Jan 14 12:17:16 nah thats 122EUR Jan 14 12:17:43 how did you get yours? Jan 14 12:18:19 someone was selling it to a friend's mobile-shop so i bought it instead Jan 14 12:18:32 damn Jan 14 12:18:40 why? Jan 14 12:18:58 cause I wouldn't be going to where you are to buy it :) Jan 14 12:19:05 or at least can't Jan 14 12:19:08 haha Jan 14 12:19:17 very good condition too Jan 14 12:19:32 my n900 screen just died Jan 14 12:19:34 and to top it the seller knew how to use it so had really maintained it well Jan 14 12:19:59 or overclocked it Jan 14 12:20:14 DocScrutinizer05: do Nokia still do screen repairs? Jan 14 12:20:28 I think so Jan 14 12:20:40 cool, I will embark on this quest Jan 14 12:20:50 to an official Nokia dealer Jan 14 12:20:51 if you don't want to get warranty repair ;-) Jan 14 12:21:03 it's 3 years old Jan 14 12:21:29 I think warranty expired long ago Jan 14 12:22:08 I'd rather "lose" my purchase recipe than to try and get a warranty repair on N900 Jan 14 12:22:30 ? Jan 14 12:22:46 what happens in a warranty repair? Jan 14 12:23:05 they give you a N8 or E7 instead? Jan 14 12:23:10 N900 get "repaired" on warranty by replacing them with a N8 Jan 14 12:23:20 fuck what Jan 14 12:23:35 last i heard was a L800 being offered to a poster on TMO Jan 14 12:23:47 :nod: Jan 14 12:24:15 so if I paid for repairs, I get back my n900 in repaired condition? Jan 14 12:24:25 though, somebody in here claimed they built new mainboards to do actual repair Jan 14 12:25:19 jon_y: they won't give you a new phone for your old N900, when you have to pay 30 bucks for it :-D Jan 14 12:25:19 maybe I need to fly to Finland to get replacements Jan 14 12:25:23 or China Jan 14 12:25:46 yes, I want my n900, not the n8 Jan 14 12:26:07 * engblom could actually sell one n900. Jan 14 12:26:19 screen swap though might be more expensive than a used N900 Jan 14 12:26:25 * jon_y realizes he is fanatical about the n900 Jan 14 12:26:41 engblom: how much and where are you shipping from? :) Jan 14 12:26:47 are you sure it's LCD? Jan 14 12:26:56 DocScrutinizer05: not sure, probably Jan 14 12:27:12 more usually it's flex connector Jan 14 12:27:22 loose cable? Jan 14 12:27:29 I am in Finland... It is having scandinavian keyboard, so it is probably nothing interesting for you. Jan 14 12:27:33 I think it detects presses, just not releases Jan 14 12:27:36 broken connector/plug Jan 14 12:27:48 so dragging about the screen is fine Jan 14 12:28:04 but not actual presses for the screen app to respond to Jan 14 12:28:06 ooh, that's most likely digitizer Jan 14 12:28:25 so screen needs replacing? Jan 14 12:28:35 digitizer != LCD Jan 14 12:28:40 engblom: is it still querty? Jan 14 12:28:48 DocScrutinizer05: main board broke? Jan 14 12:28:50 Yes Jan 14 12:28:58 engblom: good enough :) Jan 14 12:29:21 *qwerty Jan 14 12:29:22 jon_y: I *guess* you need a new digitizer Jan 14 12:29:36 where is the digitizer at? Jan 14 12:29:48 the thing you're touching Jan 14 12:30:05 you mean the resistive touch surface? Jan 14 12:30:09 yes Jan 14 12:30:22 ok, does nokia still do those? Jan 14 12:30:28 dunno Jan 14 12:30:35 :( Jan 14 12:30:44 must as well replace the whole LCD board Jan 14 12:30:50 ask your nearest nokia care center Jan 14 12:31:00 yeah, soon Jan 14 12:34:35 btw, bought a Nokia 101 in the mean time Jan 14 12:34:46 Dual sim cards! Jan 14 12:34:58 that's just about the only defining feature it has Jan 14 12:35:18 * freemangordon bought one for his 7-year old daughter :D Jan 14 12:35:29 ~25 Euros Jan 14 12:35:36 yep, a real old nokia Jan 14 12:36:00 strong as steel, at least look like Jan 14 12:36:22 I was hoping it was made of the same 2xxx/3xxx material Jan 14 12:36:48 it is tiny, very fitting for a 7-year old kid Jan 14 12:37:05 is maemo.org down? Jan 14 12:37:19 downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org Jan 14 13:16:21 DocScrutinizer05: any idea on how to execute a property found via lshal? For example, if i want the power button to be pressed via terminal? Jan 14 13:18:38 thedead1440, you're supposed to use D-Bus signals Jan 14 13:19:17 Hurrian: how do i monitor them via dbus-monitor --system? Jan 14 13:20:03 thedead1440, you're supposed to watch for certain DBus events Jan 14 13:20:21 see how shortcutd does it, I'll be leaving in a bit Jan 14 13:20:34 Hurrian: ok thanks :) Jan 14 13:20:46 IIRC it's all asynchronous, so don't worry too much about battery life taking a hit Jan 14 13:21:49 Hurrian: for example i found the interface and path, using it in qdbus says service does not exist Jan 14 13:46:21 thedead1440: dbus-monitor is your friend, either way Jan 14 13:47:00 thanks DocScrutinizer05 i've found the path and string using dbus-monitor Jan 14 13:47:18 for pushbuttons/switches it's a tiny bit ... awkward, since opendesktop guys thought it's enough to tell "it changed" Jan 14 13:48:16 so for my playswoosh scriptie to play "swooooosh" on sliding out kbd, I have to check sysfs node to tell apart opening from closing the kbd Jan 14 13:48:35 :S Jan 14 13:49:11 I think it's a design bug, but it's specified that way Jan 14 13:49:59 from dbus signal you can't tell whether kbd slides open or closes Jan 14 13:50:41 ah Jan 14 13:52:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=897443&postcount=14 Jan 14 13:53:31 nice ;) Jan 14 13:58:12 DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/community/council/rss.xml and http://maemo.org/community/board/rss.xml are timing out. Jan 14 13:58:37 maemo.org is timing out :-/ Jan 14 13:58:46 Ah, that'd do it. Jan 14 13:59:02 /tooic Jan 14 13:59:09 topic even Jan 14 13:59:22 :-S Jan 14 14:00:13 nfc, thought it worked this night Jan 14 14:00:17 DocScrutinizer05: ppl complaining on tmo as well http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314703 Jan 14 14:01:18 the DNs changes seem to cause some trouble Jan 14 14:01:45 rather, for repo the DNs been NOT changed when I checked last, a few hours ago Jan 14 14:02:18 [2013-01-14 10:14:03] repository.maemo.org. 18 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net Jan 14 14:02:20 [2013-01-14 10:14:28] repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net Jan 14 14:03:06 i'd not be surprised when Nokia or akamai takes down the 'old' servers same day they started to change DNs to new ones Jan 14 14:03:15 DNS* grrr Jan 14 14:04:04 [2013-01-14 10:03:33] if somebody feels bored, you could check `host ` from this http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD.html list and see if some are already active. Jan 14 14:04:53 DocScrutinizer05: just ping me if you want interim repos to be opened Jan 14 14:05:16 I'm waiting til at least tomorrow Jan 14 14:05:39 meanwhile ppl keep complaining and whining xD Jan 14 14:05:49 my sysop friends tell me DNS needs up to 24h to even propagate up and down the nameserver chain Jan 14 14:06:05 max yes Jan 14 14:06:16 generally a few hours top is sufficient Jan 14 14:06:21 actually that is not always true; the 24-48h rule is quite old these days Jan 14 14:06:22 brkn: so how would they stop doing that when we opened arbitrary repos on some arbitrary location? Jan 14 14:06:56 DocScrutinizer05: in general ppl don't complain if you offer them a backup solution, like the time harmattan dev was down Jan 14 14:07:11 hmm Jan 14 14:07:13 well those that urgently need packages will create a temo sources.list, the others won't Jan 14 14:07:18 temo/temp Jan 14 14:07:35 well until now not a single f##k was given xD Jan 14 14:07:44 and where would we propagate such solution? Jan 14 14:08:07 irc topic, tmo post Jan 14 14:08:19 then again i don#t care if ppl can#t access repos Jan 14 14:08:23 I think we should ping Eero Jan 14 14:08:28 when he Jan 14 14:08:35 's back in a few hours Jan 14 14:09:29 complex solutions for temporary problems tend to maximize user confusion Jan 14 14:09:48 they usually start implementing the fix when it already is obsolete Jan 14 14:09:52 ^^^ ack Jan 14 14:13:32 * thedead1440 soooo wishes the Council doesn't intervene to allow the Board to explain the situation on TMO wrt repos going down Jan 14 14:13:46 is repo supposed to be 118.117.59.203 Jan 14 14:14:10 host -a maemo.org Jan 14 14:14:18 DNS record fekked Jan 14 14:14:23 missin A record Jan 14 14:15:04 works here Jan 14 14:15:05 ~interim-dns Jan 14 14:15:05 interim-dns is, like, "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" Jan 14 14:15:26 maemo.org rtesolves to *.200 for me Jan 14 14:15:31 repo to .203 Jan 14 14:16:03 maemo.org query: Jan 14 14:16:06 ;; ANSWER SECTION: Jan 14 14:16:07 maemo.org. 25201 IN SOA ns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010082098 7200 3600 1209600 3600 Jan 14 14:16:09 maemo.org. 25201 IN NS ns5.nokia.com. Jan 14 14:16:18 no A record Jan 14 14:16:58 repo is "fine" Jan 14 14:17:02 ;; ANSWER SECTION: Jan 14 14:17:03 repository.maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.203 Jan 14 14:17:49 but then, maybe repo vserver is not "fine" Jan 14 14:18:54 8.8.8.8 gives me address .200, ns, ns2.nokia don't reply, ns3 gives me .200 for maemo.org Jan 14 14:19:38 connection to .203 seems to timeout Jan 14 14:20:33 Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it" Jan 14 14:21:03 tcptraceroute to maemo.org seems to roughly pass ficix into nebula's edge, and then goes nowhere Jan 14 14:21:24 haha Jan 14 14:22:27 10. ae-8-8.car1.Helsinki1.Level3.net 28.1% 33 226.7 121.5 94.2 272.8 52.5 Jan 14 14:22:36 % packet loss Jan 14 14:23:38 on route to maemo.org Jan 14 14:24:26 Resolver error: No error returned but no answers given. of fields Jan 14 14:24:31 for repo Jan 14 14:25:03 Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure) <- for maemo.org Jan 14 14:25:35 comparing the result of tcptraceroute to nebula.fi, it looks like the machine is down :P Jan 14 14:26:19 whether that's just the vm or the physical host is another question Jan 14 14:29:29 it's getting weirder by the minute: talk.maemo.org. 29746 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. Jan 14 14:30:05 WTF is Nokia doing? Jan 14 14:30:27 this is elop's revenge Jan 14 14:31:43 resolving to cname reggiesuplido.org for me Jan 14 14:32:36 OMG Jan 14 14:33:16 but ns.nokia.com is returning cname forums.itt,etc Jan 14 14:33:53 kick the nameservers in the nuts Jan 14 14:35:38 who is wmfi.net... they're marked as handling maemo.org's mail :) Jan 14 14:37:20 I'll quote your 'there's something weird going on" on tmo :) Jan 14 14:42:12 FYI my repository mirror is still working fine Jan 14 14:43:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaLG22AhIXw&NR=1&feature=endscreen Jan 14 14:43:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaLG22AhIXw&NR=1&feature=endscreen Jan 14 14:43:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaLG22AhIXw&NR=1&feature=endscreen Jan 14 14:43:56 ehh Jan 14 14:44:05 sorry Jan 14 14:44:07 misclick Jan 14 14:44:19 hopefully this gets fixed before we get massive repo fragmenttion Jan 14 14:44:32 * ShadowJK remembers chinook and earlier days in horror Jan 14 14:58:12 so seems right now about all is down, right? Jan 14 14:58:21 except tmo Jan 14 14:58:26 old one Jan 14 14:58:36 new one got a weird blocking notice now Jan 14 14:59:05 * DocScrutinizer05 twiddles thumbs Jan 14 15:00:00 actually watching the DNS records fluctuationg and showing random weird nonsense is kinda fun of a special kind Jan 14 15:00:58 I just wonder which weirdo touched talk.maemo.org, since that been requested for Wednesday 10:00UTC explicitly Jan 14 15:01:41 I hope it's not HiFo who got the admin-c now and doing experiments on how DNs works Jan 14 15:02:01 lol Jan 14 15:03:14 * ShadowJK ponders setting up a dnswatch script on his server Jan 14 15:03:46 great idea Jan 14 15:04:08 please with log to a html page :-) Jan 14 15:08:24 something like # for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}.maemo.org; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; cat temp >> the-gory-story.html) Jan 14 15:08:51 meh Jan 14 15:09:28 # for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}.maemo.org; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; (date; cat temp) >> the-gory-story.html) Jan 14 15:14:23 Whole maemo.org seems to be down. Any update? Jan 14 15:14:48 everything updates ;-D Jan 14 15:15:14 Pali: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/468046S18.jpg Jan 14 15:15:20 the move of e.g wiki.m.o went waaaay too smooth Jan 14 15:16:47 Okay. I hope it will be fine soon. Jan 14 15:17:26 MrPingu: LOL Jan 14 15:18:12 funny, isn't it :P Jan 14 15:18:27 yep Jan 14 15:19:06 MrPingu, what it is? Jan 14 15:19:57 that guy from TMO who had that proto N9-00 Jan 14 15:20:25 with some funny lines on his xterm Jan 14 15:20:36 N9-00? Jan 14 15:20:50 MrPingu, we need password for that repo Jan 14 15:20:54 N9/N900 cross breed? Jan 14 15:21:46 You know you have been vimming too long when you are inserting random ':wq' into everything. Jan 14 15:21:53 WOW, maemo.org got a A record again ;-P Jan 14 15:22:11 * DocScrutinizer05 hardly can stand the suspense Jan 14 15:22:29 how did such a noob get such a rare device? Jan 14 15:22:36 Pali: unfortunately it's secured, yes :( Jan 14 15:22:43 DocScrutinizer05: get yourself a coffee, that should calm you down Jan 14 15:23:02 brilliant idea, I earn it Jan 14 15:23:04 vi____: Idk, check that thread he can't even handle simple cd command -.- Jan 14 15:23:45 ...maemo.org repo....is already unreachable? Jan 14 15:24:53 so all we have to do is hack that test repo... Jan 14 15:24:57 for fat lewt? Jan 14 15:25:48 nono, for "us". He's too stupid Jan 14 15:26:06 [GENERAL NOTICE] right now *.maemo.org is down (except talk.maemo.org) Jan 14 15:26:18 ok... Jan 14 15:26:19 DocScrutinizer05; http://enivax.net/jk/n900/dns/ updating every hour hopefully Jan 14 15:26:20 Only collecting n950 and such to brag Jan 14 15:26:48 ShadowJK: you da man, though you should change that chronjob to 5 min ;-) Jan 14 15:27:30 didn't want to immedtaely make a screen full of files :) Jan 14 15:28:02 "one liner" sh written with n900, running in screen session on my server Jan 14 15:31:01 I'm absolutely worried why wiki is down Jan 14 15:31:38 is any new host up? Jan 14 15:31:39 DocScrutinizer05: don't be Jan 14 15:31:53 Why shouldn't we be worried brkn? ^ Jan 14 15:32:23 maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.200 Jan 14 15:32:26 is that right? Jan 14 15:32:45 Ex-Opesa: because afaik wiki has been saved as well so in worst case import that xml and images to a new mediawiki and you're done Jan 14 15:32:58 nothing lost Jan 14 15:33:04 brkn: Yeah Jan 14 15:35:58 brkn: I'm not worried about wiki data, i'm worried *why* wiki is down. It's meant to be our infra running stable for next 4 weeks or so Jan 14 15:36:23 and it already worked like a charm just a few hours ago Jan 14 15:36:40 and the DNs didn't change, it's the server that's down Jan 14 15:36:56 well then i thought you had access Jan 14 15:36:57 DNS***grrrrrrrSSSSSSSnots Jan 14 15:37:01 check the vms Jan 14 15:37:21 I don't have access to anything but tmo VM yet Jan 14 15:38:20 and tmo runs from a weird CNAME now Jan 14 15:38:40 maybe they are doing some hardening on their vms or such Jan 14 15:38:47 or they have internal routing issues Jan 14 15:39:03 while new vserver is showing a friggin >> We are currently migrating the forum to THIS new server. We will be back soon...<< Jan 14 15:39:44 brkn: that's why you are sysop and i'm not ;-) Jan 14 15:40:07 oh well i am not. you were given access xDD Jan 14 15:40:12 hardening sounds pretty possible Jan 14 15:40:22 ya maybe my scans were detected Jan 14 15:40:29 LOL Jan 14 15:40:30 although that was yesterday or before Jan 14 15:40:46 well i had to check the new hosts whether they were up Jan 14 15:40:52 and what did your scans show, do they actually need hardening? Jan 14 15:41:10 well not much services running Jan 14 15:41:23 many, but yeah Jan 14 15:41:26 they could hide some versions strings to make if more difficult to fingerprint though Jan 14 15:41:41 + i did not feel like checking their ssh access Jan 14 15:41:47 without telling them Jan 14 15:41:53 :nod: Jan 14 15:42:24 you mean brute force check Jan 14 15:42:56 well, port doesn't please me Jan 14 15:43:11 The "omg scans!! offline everything and harden the ethernet cables in liquid nitrogen!!" mentality is exactly why I rent a dedi instead of vps for my own little needs... Jan 14 15:43:12 *couhg*22*cough* Jan 14 15:43:28 lol @ ShadowJK Jan 14 15:44:26 nah, the logs about the same old boring ssh "admin" / "mysql" / "ibm" whatnot users gets simply boring and spams my syslogs Jan 14 15:44:40 or when you know when the sysop is awake, because he's "optimising" the performance by rebooting every 15 minutes Jan 14 15:44:46 :D Jan 14 15:44:55 well once they are up again if they (nemein) agree we can recheck Jan 14 15:45:19 brkn: I'll announce it Jan 14 15:45:33 bruteforce ssh? Jan 14 15:45:33 announce what? Jan 14 15:45:37 * ShadowJK wonders if apache just fell over from the fat of maemo infra :) Jan 14 15:45:41 re-availability? Jan 14 15:45:49 use fail2ban? Jan 14 15:46:14 but right now Eero is "swamped" and they need to sort that weirdo shite first Jan 14 15:46:27 jon_y: well let's hope then nobody spoofs ips because then a lot of ppl will get blacklisted Jan 14 15:46:41 brkn: (announce) pentests to Nemein Jan 14 15:46:48 brkn: ssh is on tcp Jan 14 15:46:52 like using official isps proxies and get banned Jan 14 15:47:04 ack jon_y Jan 14 15:47:04 kind of hard to di that unless you machine is already compromised Jan 14 15:47:07 it's more or less impossible to establish a tcp connection with spoofed IPs these days Jan 14 15:47:28 + check their fail2ban config for logfile injection Jan 14 15:47:37 iirc last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98 :) Jan 14 15:47:40 well funny stuff but i guess they know what they are doing Jan 14 15:47:53 you have more serious problems if you have log file injection going on Jan 14 15:49:11 ShadowJK: vulnerable for what? Jan 14 15:49:29 DocScrutinizer05; ip spoofing on tcp Jan 14 15:49:35 aaah Jan 14 15:50:08 >>last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98<< just didn't sound right ;-P Jan 14 15:50:32 besides, you can impose a 1 minute ban for 5 bad logins, very much stops bruteforce Jan 14 15:50:32 lol Jan 14 15:51:11 or 5 minutes for 3 bad logins Jan 14 15:51:19 jon_y: that stops *successful* brute force Jan 14 15:51:33 it doesn't stop flooding your logs though Jan 14 15:51:40 It's not like bruteforce is any threat unless you've got idiots on your machine Jan 14 15:51:53 idiots with stupid passwords Jan 14 15:52:06 or on your distro maintainer crew Jan 14 15:52:09 pam_passwdqc and make them cry Jan 14 15:52:22 1 hour ban after 20 bad consecutive retries? Jan 14 15:52:43 jon_y: throwing dice, or what? Jan 14 15:52:57 well, just a tar pit Jan 14 15:53:10 to make bruteforce unfeasible Jan 14 15:53:18 move your port to $random, form 22 Jan 14 15:53:20 done Jan 14 15:53:28 jon_y: when you said bruteforce i just remembered mysql flaw from summer Jan 14 15:53:33 made me laugh Jan 14 15:53:37 indeed Jan 14 15:53:50 errr wait Jan 14 15:53:51 I'm not familiar with the mysql problem Jan 14 15:54:00 for i in `seq 1 1000`; do mysql -u root --password=bad -h 127.0.0.1 2>/dev/null; done Jan 14 15:54:01 being batshit crazy i moved my ssh port at home and only allow pubkey from outside lan :D Jan 14 15:54:08 and I confused it with some other vulnerability Jan 14 15:54:17 no, I didn't Jan 14 15:54:35 if you asked many times, mysql finally gave up and gave you root access Jan 14 15:54:36 brkn: what is that? Jan 14 15:54:41 :( Jan 14 15:54:43 a flaw?! Jan 14 15:54:49 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Simple-authentication-bypass-for-MySQL-root-revealed-Update-1614990.html Jan 14 15:55:02 ShadowJK: would ec2 count as a dedicated server? Jan 14 15:55:11 that shit will *not* go down Jan 14 15:55:23 maybe :) Jan 14 15:56:00 chem|st: ping Jan 14 15:56:20 chem|st: do you know why new tmo has this notice now? Jan 14 15:56:36 kerio: you should not trust their preconfigured images either Jan 14 15:57:25 google ms12-020 poc Jan 14 15:57:37 well that's history as well by now Jan 14 16:05:17 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Jan 14 16:05:18 /dev/xvda 15G 4.6G 9.6G 33% / Jan 14 16:05:19 /dev/xvdb 15G 181M 14G 2% /mnt/disk2 Jan 14 16:05:21 ^^^ tmo Jan 14 16:05:30 I was able to set minimum frequency of FM transmitter to 76 MHz by changing fmtx file with one I've found on maemo forums... now how can I get my radio receiver to work at 76 MHz? Jan 14 16:06:02 I guess somebody nuked the db already? Jan 14 16:06:06 DocScrutinizer05: db on another machine? Jan 14 16:06:19 hmm, mysql server? Jan 14 16:06:29 quite possible Jan 14 16:06:34 but then... Jan 14 16:06:35 i recall so telling me db was ~ 12gb Jan 14 16:06:51 that could be with attachments Jan 14 16:06:53 ...then we should *really* think about consolidation Jan 14 16:07:16 attachments are stored in db? Jan 14 16:07:21 no Jan 14 16:07:25 afaik Jan 14 16:07:33 omg for a moment my heart jumped Jan 14 16:07:34 afaik nope Jan 14 16:07:39 so db+attach == 12G Jan 14 16:07:49 db only ~ 4G Jan 14 16:07:56 freemangordon: that could fit yes Jan 14 16:08:01 that is from my cloudy memories Jan 14 16:08:18 I'd think the other way round Jan 14 16:08:32 DocScrutinizer05: iirc that was burried in one email from reggie Jan 14 16:08:33 attachments are rare, and small/sizelimited Jan 14 16:08:54 pictures however Jan 14 16:09:03 sizelimit is ~500k Jan 14 16:09:10 iirc Jan 14 16:09:18 I'd think 100 Jan 14 16:09:47 for .deb is 488k Jan 14 16:09:53 whatever, I don't think attachments are n*content Jan 14 16:10:05 for tar,zip, gz too Jan 14 16:10:08 aaah yes, might even depend on filetype Jan 14 16:10:28 for jpg is ~100k Jan 14 16:10:37 :nod: Jan 14 16:10:41 the others are smaller Jan 14 16:10:45 ~20k Jan 14 16:11:07 yeah, we eventually asked reggie to increase max attachment size Jan 14 16:11:33 iirc Jan 14 16:20:57 [2013-01-14 17:18:07] I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. Jan 14 16:21:24 the fuck, repository.maemo.org seems down :( Jan 14 16:21:40 hmm, false alarm Jan 14 16:21:48 it is up but slow Jan 14 16:24:59 DocScrutinizer05: you can read no? Jan 14 16:25:13 sure I can read Jan 14 16:25:21 sometimes Jan 14 16:25:45 ;) Jan 14 16:25:53 reggie deactivated it I guess Jan 14 16:25:53 why? Jan 14 16:26:05 wasn't me Jan 14 16:26:13 yeah, I guess he even nuked the db Jan 14 16:26:39 not yet Jan 14 16:34:35 chem|st: anyway, we were able to check functionality of new tmo before reggie blocked it, so I'm quite confident the move will cause the least problems Jan 14 16:38:15 >>... the cpu loads were manageable but I fear there is some throttle on the network somewhere<< Jan 14 17:11:40 :nod: repository.maemo.org is up again - slow but up Jan 14 17:16:46 garage.maemo.org still no A record here, but IP is slow but working, like repo Jan 14 17:36:42 DocScrutinizer05: Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org Jan 14 17:36:50 unless you mean the new one Jan 14 17:40:06 http://repository.maemo.org/ etc/hosts 188.117.59.203 repository.maemo.org Jan 14 17:40:10 oic Jan 14 17:40:46 ;; ANSWER SECTION: Jan 14 17:40:47 repository.maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.203 Jan 14 17:41:01 well, i still dln't have th Jan 14 17:41:03 *don't have that Jan 14 17:41:06 I guess/hope that's not from my etc7hosts Jan 14 17:41:59 Received 266 bytes from 212.34.1xx.y1#53 in 104 ms Jan 14 17:42:32 kerio: try `host -a repository.maemo.org` Jan 14 17:42:40 you mean dig repository.maemo.org :) Jan 14 17:42:56 whatever spice you like with your query Jan 14 17:43:09 yep, 188.117.59.203 Jan 14 17:43:17 and it doesn't work Jan 14 17:43:24 not even from my laptop Jan 14 17:44:32 yeah, the akamai servers didn't work this morning either Jan 14 17:44:34 iirc Jan 14 17:45:03 ooh, that's already the new IP Jan 14 17:45:15 nice Jan 14 17:46:11 according to nslookup:"Address: 188.117.59.203" Jan 14 17:46:42 and here that IP works, works not, work... Jan 14 17:48:33 reverse dns lookup cannot resolve that address, I guess it will takesome time for caches to expire/new address to be known Jan 14 17:48:42 I got unusually long timeouts once server connection got established Jan 14 17:48:54 reverse dns is handles by someone else Jan 14 17:48:59 s/got/configured/ Jan 14 17:49:01 DocScrutinizer05 meant: I configured unusually long timeouts once server connection got established Jan 14 17:49:21 yeah, that's .in-addr.arpa Jan 14 17:49:44 DocScrutinizer05: well I guess we can expect some interruptions and such, it is expected (at least by me) Jan 14 17:50:08 it is very hard to do a migration without some disturbance in services Jan 14 17:50:41 freemangordon: please read backscroll of the day Jan 14 17:50:48 ok Jan 14 17:51:46 hmm, that's been somewhere else where I posted that quote about rDNS Jan 14 17:53:07 [2013-01-14 10:28:26] quite possible but I could not request those reverses before the real DNS was updated. Jan 14 17:54:18 http://repository.maemo.org/ loads just this moment Jan 14 17:54:54 actually relatively "swiftly" Jan 14 17:55:40 and slow again Jan 14 17:56:31 looks like the machine/vm is pretty slow to respond Jan 14 17:56:40 [2013-01-14 17:20:56] [2013-01-14 17:18:07] I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. Jan 14 17:57:29 possibly swap hell, or network problems Jan 14 17:57:35 @ ShadowJK: same for wiki Jan 14 17:58:10 anyway, slow but loaded again Jan 14 17:58:14 (repo) Jan 14 17:58:45 while wiki "Additional Information: wiki.maemo.org: Socket operation timed out" Jan 14 17:59:01 is wiki, www, repos all in separate VMs? Jan 14 17:59:35 it's different IPs Jan 14 17:59:50 dunno further details Jan 14 17:59:53 maemo.org is down :C Jan 14 17:59:59 ORLY? Jan 14 18:00:22 ha-ha, did I miss something? : D Jan 14 18:00:49 yeah, the /topic Jan 14 18:00:59 It's getting moved. Jan 14 18:08:58 DocScrutinizer05: it should probably be at the beginning Jan 14 18:14:19 hmm, looks like repository.maemo.org runs on 1 core with 512 RAM Jan 14 18:14:31 at most :D Jan 14 18:17:53 DocScrutinizer05: BTW wiki is here, slow as hell but loading Jan 14 18:20:52 mtr wiki.m.o Jan 14 18:20:55 10. ae-8-8.car1.Helsinki1.Level3.net 16.7% 18 103.4 112.9 95.4 184.6 29.9 Jan 14 18:21:15 there's sth severely fishy in network Jan 14 18:21:22 yep Jan 14 18:21:44 duplicated ips or something Jan 14 18:27:06 hmm, traceroute from my machine and from inet stops at 195.3.66.130 Jan 14 18:28:03 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1531419/ Jan 14 18:34:04 the traceroute does indeed stop at 83.145.255.35 Jan 14 18:34:20 but ofc it goes behind for at least 5 hops Jan 14 18:34:30 s/behind/forward/ Jan 14 18:34:31 kerio meant: but ofc it goes forward for at least 5 hops Jan 14 18:39:50 try mtr Jan 14 18:56:12 well, seems packet loss isn't thagt uncommon today Jan 14 18:59:29 would repos go up today? I have to install some stuff.. Jan 14 18:59:58 Sysaxed: repos are up, just veeeeery slow Jan 14 19:00:19 oh Jan 14 19:00:29 that's why I was able to use them a minute ago Jan 14 19:00:38 freemangordon, anything that can be done with it? Jan 14 19:01:02 NFC, though I guess "they" are trying to fix it Jan 14 19:02:12 [2013-01-14 15:20:33] Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it" Jan 14 19:02:51 [2013-01-14 17:18:07] I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. Jan 14 19:03:43 mailed... which means it's going to take some time... Jan 14 19:04:10 yes, it will for sure take some time Jan 14 19:37:17 DocScrutinizer05, what is with maemo.org ? Jan 14 19:43:46 Pali: /topic Jan 14 19:43:53 and yeah, that's a bad position to put it Jan 14 19:43:58 it should be at the beginning Jan 14 19:45:01 ETA? Jan 14 19:59:42 Pali: it's 21:00 or even 22:00 here, nevertheless "the grid guy" might report back to Eero this night since that guy has "strange working hours". But Eero will read that mail tomorrow morning the earliest Jan 14 20:18:36 hehe, "strange working hours" Jan 14 21:00:36 Anyone have a link to the most recent build of mosh available? Jan 14 21:00:42 i have a 1.2.2 build here that craps out Jan 14 21:23:06 DocScrutinizer05: sorry didn't find the time to try new autobuilder Jan 14 21:24:39 I'd appreciate if somebody takes this task as I fear I will fail to do it tomorrow too due to time constraints Jan 14 21:31:55 hi peeps o/ Jan 14 21:33:52 \o Jan 14 21:34:17 how plausible would it be to use n900 to sniff a bluetooth connection? Jan 14 21:37:18 grummund, I would say completely implausible.. Jan 14 21:38:03 that's usually the domain of specialiced bluetooth analyzers. not to say there's any magic in it (well, there might be), but you would at least need to rewrite the bluetooth chip firmware. Jan 14 21:38:33 in any case, I don't think the analyzers either can grab onto encrypted connections Jan 14 21:43:20 hmm, omly need encrypted Jan 14 21:43:43 *unencrypted Jan 14 21:57:35 anybody been successful running armhf debian on n900? Jan 14 21:58:11 I'm successfully booting wheezy-grip (emdebian), launching x but no video output :-( Jan 14 21:58:28 using nemo-kernel that is Jan 14 22:01:59 wirr: have you recompiled everything? Jan 14 22:02:17 no, wait, the whole distro is hardfloat Jan 14 22:07:01 kerio: afaik nemo kernel is hfp Jan 14 22:07:48 I'm wondering what would be the correct xorg driver to use... ti published hardfloat sgx drivers Jan 14 22:13:55 wirr: -fbdev-sgx from mer/nemo, with their libs Jan 14 22:16:33 Skry: thanks, you wouldn't happen to have a list of the required files? :) Jan 14 23:17:31 wirr: sure, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common Jan 14 23:17:59 I use those on Arch Linux myself Jan 15 00:25:38 i don't think you need kernel for hardfloat abi Jan 15 02:14:26 Hi everyone Jan 15 02:14:31 Is maemo.org down? Jan 15 02:14:35 Permanently? Jan 15 02:18:34 I need to get packages for Maemo 4.1/OS2008 (N810) Jan 15 02:18:53 Temporarily Jan 15 02:19:06 Oh okay. Good :) Jan 15 02:19:09 Moving to a community-financed infrastructure. Jan 15 02:19:16 I know it is old haha Jan 15 02:32:15 GeneralAntilles: Thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:58 2013