**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:58 2013 Jan 15 04:04:51 oh wow Jan 15 04:04:54 there are people here Jan 15 04:07:11 yup Jan 15 04:07:47 I'm still using an N900 as my everyday phone Jan 15 04:07:55 same Jan 15 04:08:05 got USB plug issues? Jan 15 04:08:08 some Jan 15 04:08:20 i have to sit the end of the USB cable on something to make it charge Jan 15 04:08:26 I can only charge the thing using a korean power adaptor I got from the tizen conference last year Jan 15 04:08:32 nothing else works Jan 15 04:08:37 I should probably replace the socket Jan 15 04:08:57 N9 doesnt have a keyboard, does it? Jan 15 04:09:01 no Jan 15 04:12:05 :-( Jan 15 04:12:18 I just bought a new battery for it - Doesnt power on! :-( Jan 15 04:13:32 Its the only phone i have ever felt happy using Jan 15 04:13:35 :-( Jan 15 04:15:49 :/ Jan 15 04:15:51 that's not good Jan 15 04:16:00 well Jan 15 04:16:11 this is why I'm hoping Jolla does something good this year Jan 15 04:16:26 orlok: that just happened to me the other day but then I changed cables and it worked Jan 15 04:16:35 without sitting anything on the end Jan 15 04:20:16 johnsu01: does it for me with both USB and charger Jan 15 04:21:00 Fortunately, new/used N900s are cheap now Jan 15 04:21:04 easy to replace off ebay Jan 15 04:21:05 Hi again. When will maemo.org come up again? Jan 15 04:22:55 I wanted to install a few applications for an old N810 Jan 15 04:23:17 probably within a day or so Jan 15 04:24:05 wmarone: okay cool. Jan 15 04:24:17 Just didn't want it to be next year or something :) Jan 15 04:24:22 it's up for me, so you probably need DNS to update Jan 15 04:29:12 Still not for me :( Did you check maemo.org? Or talk.maemo.org? Jan 15 04:29:33 might be a while Jan 15 04:29:53 Oh I see. It is taking a while here Jan 15 04:31:25 It's up, just really slow Jan 15 05:52:52 While the repos are very slow. Is there a recent back up we can configure our devices to? Jan 15 06:23:59 test Jan 15 08:12:51 does repository.maemo.org work for you? Jan 15 08:15:02 nope Jan 15 08:15:06 also /topic Jan 15 08:15:23 bah, sorry Jan 15 11:12:54 when I have to comment code with: Jan 15 11:12:57 ' //Nasty bodge to stop lamp fault occouring when we only have an 02 sensor (i.e. not lamp).' Jan 15 11:13:08 I feel bad. Jan 15 11:24:09 vi____: hi man, long time no see, where you've been? Jan 15 11:27:11 Busy IRL. Jan 15 11:27:21 hey Jan 15 11:27:25 How have you been FMG? Jan 15 11:27:35 and speedevil! Jan 15 11:27:42 We have a whole party here! Jan 15 11:27:57 My job told me take my holidays or lose them for the year. Jan 15 11:28:08 So I had to take all of December off work. Jan 15 11:28:36 aww Jan 15 11:28:46 poor you. :-) Jan 15 11:28:59 oh, yes :( Jan 15 11:29:15 How did you survive the whole month of a holiday? :P Jan 15 11:29:39 It was tough. A real challenge of my will, strength and metal. Jan 15 11:30:05 hehe Jan 15 11:30:18 Actually the hardest thing was not allowing myself to waste time all day playing video games and other timewasteing shit. Jan 15 11:30:36 * freemangordon goes off for lunch, bbl Jan 15 11:46:52 DocScrutinizer05, ping Jan 15 11:50:27 Did the "grid guy" reply or anything? Jan 15 12:50:35 qwazix: pong Jan 15 12:59:06 Hi DocScrutinizer05, xes from tmo contacted me about becoming sysop Jan 15 12:59:29 I invited him to come to #maemo and discuss Jan 15 12:59:50 good Jan 15 13:00:12 I introduced him a bit to the task at hand Jan 15 13:00:22 just today I feel like drowning in "WTF is wrong with *.maemo.org??!?!!" Jan 15 13:01:04 told him that he's the one who'll have to tell how much time will be needed or what the final architecture will be Jan 15 13:01:12 qwazix: if again Nemein is letting us down, we need to ponder alternative ways to a nice chat with them Jan 15 13:01:27 hey, are there currently known problems accessing the repos on maemo.org? Jan 15 13:01:36 ... Jan 15 13:01:41 ^^^ Jan 15 13:01:49 looks like a yes? ;) Jan 15 13:02:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 Jan 15 13:02:30 [update2] Jan 15 13:02:37 yes and I wonder why doesn't freemangordon have a shitstorm of complaints yet Jan 15 13:02:38 /topic Jan 15 13:03:16 (I received today thumb update notification which cannot be installed due to normal repos down) Jan 15 13:04:07 thanks Jan 15 13:05:29 btw is anyone using ssh+screen+irssi on maemo? some of irssi'S windows just dontT get updated correctly and i have no idea what'S the cause of this Jan 15 13:05:43 oh by the I also told xes that we still don't know about how much such a job could be paid, if at all, but it is not possible with current funds to even get close to market prices for this kind of job Jan 15 13:05:59 s/by the/by the way/ Jan 15 13:05:59 qwazix meant: oh by the way I also told xes that we still don't know about how much such a job could be paid, if at all, but it is not possible with current funds to even get close to market prices for this kind of job Jan 15 13:06:21 That's all, just keeping you posted in case I'm not around when he shows up. Jan 15 13:10:29 hanning; tried pressing page down? Jan 15 13:12:09 hanning: or /redraw Jan 15 13:14:52 qwazix: we need to kick some backsides right now Jan 15 13:15:14 qwazix: *.maemo.org downtime just exceeded 24h Jan 15 13:15:23 qwazix: my patience is used up Jan 15 13:15:30 I'm not sure I get the meaning of the idiom 'kick backsides' Jan 15 13:15:46 s/backside/a**/ Jan 15 13:15:58 ok Jan 15 13:16:37 What do you have in mind instead of screaming @nemein? Jan 15 13:16:40 I'm willing to wait another 60min for Eero to answer my "wtf is going on?" query Jan 15 13:16:48 s/instead/apart from/ Jan 15 13:16:48 qwazix meant: What do you have in mind apart from of screaming @nemein? Jan 15 13:17:06 then we need to evaluate our options Jan 15 13:17:32 Big Q: do we have the VHD's at hand? Jan 15 13:17:41 after all it's still nokia responsibility, since transfer to hiFo not yet happened Jan 15 13:17:52 VHD? Jan 15 13:17:57 ~wtf vhd Jan 15 13:17:59 Gee... I don't know what vhd means... Jan 15 13:18:05 Virtual hard disks. Can we do anything bypassing nemein completely? Jan 15 13:18:11 no Jan 15 13:18:26 nuttin Jan 15 13:18:36 swell... Jan 15 13:19:15 Nokia is supposed to pay Nemein for a service. we don't see that service happening Jan 15 13:19:48 who's to blame? Jan 15 13:19:57 yeah but we can't ping Nokia quickly anyway Jan 15 13:20:07 I has to be done through board Jan 15 13:20:35 oooh sure we can, don't you think there's going to rise a shitstorm if we ask community to give Nokia helpdesk a phonecall? Jan 15 13:20:45 :D Jan 15 13:20:47 hahaha, Jan 15 13:21:03 You need me to phone nokia helpsdesk? Jan 15 13:21:20 vi____: you're free to do that any time Jan 15 13:21:22 :-) Jan 15 13:21:30 Imagine if one letter to elop caused a reaction, what will happen if everybody called Nokia... Jan 15 13:21:39 What? Jan 15 13:21:44 A letter fo flop? Jan 15 13:21:48 what happened? Jan 15 13:21:54 ^to flop Jan 15 13:22:26 Yeah, one member sent a letter to elop, in no way implying that he was talking on behalf of community Jan 15 13:22:39 ...and? Jan 15 13:23:00 and people negotiating with board for the infra told board not to do this again Jan 15 13:23:02 well, he got an answer Jan 15 13:23:05 was it abill_uk? Jan 15 13:23:23 wyho was it? Jan 15 13:23:27 estel? Jan 15 13:23:37 orange box? Jan 15 13:23:40 qwerty12? Jan 15 13:23:40 and it been board telling the user not to do this again, while nokia didn't even mention it Jan 15 13:23:47 oh Jan 15 13:25:48 what was the letter about? Jan 15 13:26:15 it's just that board suspected that this letter caused certain people in Nokia to get aware of maemo and thus taking action so secdond draft of contracts they offered was worse than first Jan 15 13:27:04 My take is that those two things are just unrelated Jan 15 13:27:13 my take on it though is that board's answer and comments/complaints about first contract draft made lawyers aware of problems they didn't even notice with their first draft Jan 15 13:28:04 whatever, *.maemo.org down, Nemein not responding since ~24h Jan 15 13:28:35 I'm waiting another 32min, then pondering what gun to fire next Jan 15 13:29:28 * DocScrutinizer05 warming up the MTHELs Jan 15 13:29:55 Nuke it from orbit. Jan 15 13:30:32 And dealings of the community with Nokia sound really interesting. Dedication too, huh. Jan 15 13:30:46 DocScrutinizer05: wanna land you a BFG9000? Jan 15 13:31:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ Jan 15 13:32:05 I prefer dual enforcers and a redeemer Jan 15 13:33:12 Enforcers are great. Jan 15 13:33:32 * jonwil is trying to figure out what part of Maemo to reverse engineer next Jan 15 13:34:05 DocScrutinizer05: nice Jan 15 13:34:29 jonwil: what has happened with clockd? Jan 15 13:34:51 Didn't get anywhere with that Jan 15 13:35:06 mostly because it has a whole pile of features I just cant test Jan 15 13:35:10 jonwil: icd2 applet Jan 15 13:35:24 yeah I am seriously considering the mess that is ICD Jan 15 13:35:30 to add gprs connections and configure gprs, usb and dummy Jan 15 13:35:54 kerio: why not bnep too Jan 15 13:36:39 ok, so the ICD daemon and its plugins support these features but the various configuration applets do not? Jan 15 13:37:13 freemangordon: i kinda don't want bnep in icd2's hands Jan 15 13:37:22 unless as a PANU i suppos Jan 15 13:37:23 e Jan 15 13:38:48 but yeah I have already been investigating the connectivity UI for ages with little success Jan 15 13:39:06 The only reason I was able to do connui-home-cellular is because its comparitivley simple Jan 15 13:39:57 but I think for the GPRS stuff one would need to look at connui-iapsettings-gprs Jan 15 13:40:22 reverse microb plox Jan 15 13:40:35 microb engine is open Jan 15 13:40:45 microb UI is far too complex to reverse engineer for a novice like me Jan 15 13:40:58 freemangordon: it's kinda easy to configure a NAP for point-to-point connection Jan 15 13:40:58 DocScrutinizer05; I'm guessing the machines are overloaded :D Jan 15 13:41:05 as a fire and forget thing Jan 15 13:41:18 Especially since it uses C++ (microb that is) Jan 15 13:41:23 you need luf's bluez and kp52 though Jan 15 13:41:37 ShadowJK: some network issues it seems Jan 15 13:42:12 ShadowJK: [2013-01-14 17:21:16] I have a feeling you slashdotted us, the cpu loads were manageable but I fear there is some throttle on the network somewhere Jan 15 13:42:32 but yeah reverse engineering anything using GTK is very hard :( Jan 15 13:47:33 lol, maemo slashdotting something.. shows there's still users :P Jan 15 13:47:48 60,000 last I heard Jan 15 13:49:44 and I actually hope some of them already started pestering Nokia helpdesk about their online update / HAM stopped working Jan 15 13:50:38 most wont notice Jan 15 13:51:22 * ShadowJK guesses upper bound for "auto update" bandwidth as 70Mbit/s Jan 15 13:52:03 if we could push non-cssu update to increase update refresh interval to a week... :) Jan 15 13:54:29 ok, so someone wanna suggest something I can actually reverse engineer? :) Jan 15 13:55:44 jonwil: mce? there is x86 binary Jan 15 13:55:58 already tried MCE and failed :) Jan 15 13:56:08 even with hexrays? Jan 15 13:56:39 yes Jan 15 13:56:49 I have tried and failed to clone some of the MCE plugins Jan 15 13:59:21 jonwil: there are plenty of x86 closed binaries in "/usr/lib/hildon-control-panel" Jan 15 13:59:58 I am thinking maybe I will go with my original plan and start looking deeper into ICD Jan 15 14:02:29 there are definitely x86 closed bins in hildon-control-panel but with *.maemo.org out of action, I cant get at the binaries in question Jan 15 14:02:32 :) Jan 15 14:02:55 jonwil: hmm, those should be in SB Jan 15 14:03:01 maybe I should forget the whole thing and go back to watching my whole-series box set of "The West Wing" :) Jan 15 14:05:16 qwazix: do you think you can drum up the rest of "maemo management" (niel, MT, Ivan, the HiFo) to finally join for disaster management permanent meeting on IRC? Jan 15 14:17:50 DocScrutinizer05, later today I can (3-4h from now) Jan 15 14:18:39 good, i have to manage some private pressing affairs, we should meet in #maemo-meeting Jan 15 14:18:46 qwazix: ^^^ Jan 15 14:19:03 Timeframe? Jan 15 14:19:11 ASAP Jan 15 14:19:22 k Jan 15 14:19:27 and permanent until disaster managed Jan 15 14:24:15 can you reverse me some moar rams? Jan 15 15:13:18 bah, its too hot and humid here to do anything that requires actual thinking :) Jan 15 15:15:27 at least my Gentoo emerge pass finally finished emerging gcc :) Jan 15 15:26:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 <--- temp mirror with all repos till normal service is resumed Jan 15 15:34:20 Doc: Hey, Doc, how do I upgrade to a new CSSU nowadays? Nokia's repository appears to be permanently down Jan 15 15:44:04 RST38h, CSSU repos are mirrored here: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ Jan 15 15:44:53 RST38h, this is semi official mirror which is here for months Jan 15 15:55:40 thedead1440: The site is up, but fremantle's extras, etc are 404? Jan 15 15:56:07 thedead1440: Whole http://5.9.155.69/repository.maemo.org/ seems to be 404 Jan 15 15:56:21 Ex-Opesa: did you add it to your phone? Jan 15 15:56:28 Directory browsing i disabled hence 404 Jan 15 15:56:33 s/i/is/ Jan 15 15:56:34 thedead1440 meant: Disrectory browsing i disabled hence 404 Jan 15 15:57:26 damn: I meant directory browsing is disabled; add it to your sources.list or whatever on device and it'll work Jan 15 15:57:42 thedead1440: No, I didn't sorry. Normally repos are not restricted as such. Sorry! Thank you! I can finally install the apps, reflashed the mob yesterday actually. Jan 15 15:58:58 Ex-Opesa: its not only me; brkn and DocScrutinizer05 are the main architects of it :) Jan 15 16:00:13 thedead1440: thanks for IP spreading ^^^ Jan 15 16:00:24 FUCK >:-( Jan 15 16:00:25 thedead1440: Right. Thanks to all of you ^ Jan 15 16:01:10 DocScrutinizer05: i posted the link to the post; he was fast hence he got the IP; not me :( Jan 15 16:01:37 anyway now it's in chanlog thus in spiders of anybody Jan 15 16:02:17 Okay...Sorry, shouldn't have posted here. Its static and home server? ^ Jan 15 16:02:52 nah its Hetzner's server Jan 15 16:03:02 but static yes Jan 15 16:03:48 Right. Jan 15 16:03:50 I want to express my symtpathy for the people dealing with this bullshit and making sure us users don't suffer too much Jan 15 16:03:54 in other words, thanks Jan 15 16:04:19 Pali: understood Jan 15 16:04:20 Yes, thanks! Jan 15 16:10:11 hello Jan 15 16:10:51 anyone knows where we can upload files of 500 mb size Jan 15 16:12:30 there is a guy on maemo who wnats to do so I am helping him because the file contains some data which might be useful for cssu devs Jan 15 16:13:02 lunde: https://sizablesend.com/ Jan 15 16:14:12 lunde: adrive.com perhaps Jan 15 16:19:19 thank you everyone Jan 15 16:50:16 I am tired of this error: ""W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch"". I tried to rm -rf /opt/fapman-cache/lists and created partial folder, etc. Still the error persists. Jan 15 16:50:44 Ex-Opesa: repos are down, be patient Jan 15 16:50:44 It starts with "W", meaning warning, should I just ignore it? Jan 15 16:51:12 how patient? Jan 15 16:51:29 freemangordon: I am using the temporary repos by thedead1440, Doc and brkn. (thanks to them) Jan 15 16:51:44 RST38h: is it me supposed to answer? Jan 15 16:52:47 last I know (from ~ 1 hour ago) is that nemein is trying to find what's wrong in their and/or their ISP network Jan 15 16:53:47 seems like the traffic shaping is misconfigured, I hope they wiil find the problem soon Jan 15 16:58:28 Ex-Opesa: also Jan 15 16:58:29 ~fapman Jan 15 16:58:30 hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever Jan 15 16:59:44 which problems are known about fapman? Jan 15 17:00:02 I only use it Jan 15 17:02:37 kerio: O_o. Really? I have been using it for more then a year, it never caused me an issue. Can you help me with this "Hash mismatch issue"? Jan 15 17:07:11 it's probably just some repo weirdness Jan 15 17:20:02 Yea Jan 15 18:08:53 DocScrutinizer05, do you still need me to try and gather everybody? Jan 15 18:10:03 I think it's better to not start spamming the channel with discussions. Jan 15 18:16:34 * qwazix wonders if DocScrutinizer had an accident while playing with the MTHEL's, and everybody is now dead Jan 15 18:20:02 qwazix: I think we should still try to let council.* know Jan 15 18:20:48 in the end it's not juist me being responsible for maemo.org infra being up and running Jan 15 18:21:17 You touched it last. Jan 15 18:21:19 It's yours now. Jan 15 18:22:52 ahah Jan 15 18:37:22 DocScrutinizer51, ok, will fire up mail client in a while Jan 15 19:22:26 Hi all. Is there something wrong with the repositories or is it just me? I keep getting 'unable to connect' for a few for the past few days... Jan 15 19:22:43 dafox: /topic Jan 15 19:22:52 dafox: it's not quite down, but it's still unusuable Jan 15 19:23:05 but it's not the past few days, it's just today Jan 15 19:23:14 and maybe a bit yesterday Jan 15 19:23:20 mm, I've had it since sunday I think Jan 15 19:23:41 sunday evening that is, so depending on timezone that may be yesterday.... Jan 15 19:25:07 anyway, you may want to move that bit of info to the front of the topic, and/or make it more pronounced, as I've completely missed it... Jan 15 19:25:13 indeed Jan 15 19:25:57 anyone python here? Jan 15 19:26:08 i python a bit Jan 15 19:26:21 i'm not any good at GUI toolkits though Jan 15 19:26:25 dep_mtime = max(os.path.getmtime(p) for p in deps) Jan 15 19:26:32 SyntaxError: invalid syntax Jan 15 19:26:38 and points to for Jan 15 19:26:51 try max((os.path.getmtime(p) for p in deps)) Jan 15 19:27:01 ok Jan 15 19:27:16 the actual generator expression is (os.path.getmtime(p) for p in deps), the special case for when it's the only argument to a function was added in a certain version Jan 15 19:27:36 makes no difference Jan 15 19:27:46 then it's something on the line before :) Jan 15 19:28:17 ok, thanks Jan 15 19:28:31 what was it? i wonder why it was put on "for" instead of before Jan 15 19:28:37 kerio: it is 2.7 script, I am trying to run it on 2.5 Jan 15 19:28:50 ooh, nasty Jan 15 19:29:01 especially because 2.7 backports a lot of neat stuff from py3k Jan 15 19:30:17 kerio: I had to replace sone @property things with 2.5 get_ syntax, I am not sure I did it right Jan 15 19:30:22 *some Jan 15 19:30:42 hm, why? Jan 15 19:31:34 http://pastebin.com/yxs8igV4 Jan 15 19:31:35 decorators are in 2.5, you're only missing property.setter and property.deleter Jan 15 19:32:00 kerio: because i've never, ever, written a line of code in python :D Jan 15 19:32:33 those "thing = property(get_thing)" are misintendet Jan 15 19:32:35 misindented Jan 15 19:32:56 but really, @property should work, and if it doesn't work, just overwrite the same name Jan 15 19:33:17 I have sysntax error for @property Jan 15 19:33:31 kerio: where should I move those Jan 15 19:34:26 by looking here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1965117/why-my-code-run-wrong-it-is-about-property it is ok Jan 15 19:34:47 you don't need setters, right? Jan 15 19:34:53 yep Jan 15 19:35:06 (aiui :D ) Jan 15 19:36:10 freemangordon: one sec Jan 15 19:36:36 freemangordon: http://pastebin.ca/2302833 Jan 15 19:37:15 i've tried that, gave me syntax error. but i'll try it again Jan 15 19:37:15 what i wrote is **exactly** what @property would do Jan 15 19:37:22 :nod: Jan 15 19:37:36 as in, the same down to the bytecode Jan 15 19:39:11 still, the same erroro :( Jan 15 19:39:16 *error Jan 15 19:39:41 which error? Jan 15 19:39:51 also, what's your python version? Jan 15 19:39:55 syntax error for "for" Jan 15 19:40:04 where? Jan 15 19:40:17 2.5.2-3maemo4 Jan 15 19:40:20 can i get a snippet? Jan 15 19:41:28 just a second to install pastebinit Jan 15 19:42:45 doesn't work i think Jan 15 19:42:50 pastebin.com changed its API Jan 15 19:43:32 Woody14619, hi! Jan 15 19:43:36 kerio: http://pastebin.com/wWHvs88S Jan 15 19:43:52 howdy. :) Jan 15 19:43:54 the error is on line 78 Jan 15 19:44:39 Woody14619, we're in a bit of a mess as you've seen. Jan 15 19:45:16 kerio: oh, fuck Jan 15 19:45:27 Yeah. But then I never expected things to transition smoothly, so I'm not surprised. :) Jan 15 19:45:37 kerio: see line 45 Jan 15 19:45:38 :D Jan 15 19:45:55 ? Jan 15 19:45:59 that's not the error Jan 15 19:46:13 proprty ;) Jan 15 19:46:15 In fact it's good that things are moving. Even at this rate. Jan 15 19:46:20 that's not a syntax error Jan 15 19:46:37 oh god, this uses print_function Jan 15 19:46:46 i mistyped property Jan 15 19:46:52 yeah, but that's not the error Jan 15 19:47:15 yes, but manifest_path is used for deps Jan 15 19:47:26 python doesn't work that way Jan 15 19:47:33 * Woody14619 nods. Jan 15 19:47:34 oh Jan 15 19:47:46 syntax errors happen before the rest Jan 15 19:47:56 and i'm not getting any syntax error with any "for"s Jan 15 19:47:57 I see Jan 15 19:48:13 wich python Jan 15 19:48:17 which python Jan 15 19:48:31 Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) Jan 15 19:48:40 2.5.2-3maemo4 from extras-devel Jan 15 19:48:55 the syntax error i'm getting is on line 182 Jan 15 19:49:04 because print is not a function in 2.5, and can never be Jan 15 19:49:43 you have to use the fucking chevron print statement Jan 15 19:49:45 kerio: any chance to make that work with 2.5? Jan 15 19:49:50 one sec Jan 15 19:53:10 kerio: oh, shit: Python 2.3.4 Jan 15 19:53:15 wat Jan 15 19:53:26 where? Jan 15 19:53:28 "/usr/bin/python -V" Jan 15 19:53:41 also, this is your own n900, right? Jan 15 19:53:49 this is scratchbox Jan 15 19:54:44 We're happy to announce the release of Python 2.3.4 (final) on May 27th, 2004. Jan 15 19:55:13 Perl on N900 is equally tragic Jan 15 19:55:16 "/usr/bin/python2.5 -V: gives me Python 2.5.4 Jan 15 19:55:27 i'm not going to help you run a script written for the latest python2 on a python version from when i was 12 Jan 15 19:55:36 so I have it, it just does not run the correct binary Jan 15 19:55:44 so change the shebang Jan 15 19:55:53 kerio: sure Jan 15 19:57:01 and of course you were getting errors Jan 15 19:57:19 python2.3 has definetely no decorators and no genexprs Jan 15 19:57:23 i'm not even sure it has list comprehensions Jan 15 19:57:32 freemangordon: http://pastebin.ca/2302853 Jan 15 19:57:36 this runs on python2.5 on the n900 Jan 15 19:57:57 though i don;t get it, /usr/bin/python is symlinked to /usr/bin/python2.5 Jan 15 19:58:04 path? Jan 15 19:58:38 oh god i don't want to begin imagining what something like scratchbox does to your path Jan 15 19:58:59 kerio: well, i guess SB has screwed it, thanks anyway, i'll try to fix it Jan 15 20:00:45 checking for python... /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Jan 15 20:00:49 :D:D:D Jan 15 20:10:09 freemangordon: hm, am i a bad enough dude to upgrade to debian sid on my home server? Jan 15 20:12:41 no Jan 15 20:13:37 kerio: BTW python script runs :) Jan 15 20:13:40 yay Jan 15 20:14:11 yep, I passed PYTHON= at command line :D Jan 15 20:15:10 freemangordon, have you seen the thread on tmo with the old harmattan proto? Jan 15 20:15:32 qwazix: yep Jan 15 20:15:58 got the tarball? I suspect there may be interesting things in there regarding the N900 Jan 15 20:16:12 that thing looks much closer to Maemo 5 Jan 15 20:16:12 no, I don't have it Jan 15 20:16:40 pm that guy, he just uploaded the root and has given it out to select people via PM Jan 15 20:17:05 yep, saw that. but I am on a different thing right now :) Jan 15 20:17:30 freemangordon: huh, 60 packages to update Jan 15 20:17:59 Ok, just thought that if somebody should have that it's cssu people. Jan 15 20:18:13 qwazix: sure Jan 15 20:22:23 yay, ipclite is building :D Jan 15 20:42:45 the fuck, it takes ages :( Jan 15 20:52:36 Nokia hostility towards maemo reached new heights. User banned from Nokia Support Discussions for linking to tmo? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88591 Jan 15 20:53:04 well, that's not exactly new :) Jan 15 20:53:12 No wonder, with that name... Jan 15 20:53:21 "elophater69" Jan 15 20:53:24 :D Jan 15 20:55:32 ELO Phat ER 69 Jan 15 20:55:39 haha, didn't know that was the username... Jan 15 20:56:04 free mango r don Jan 15 21:00:49 kerio: help http://pastebin.com/XR7ZsHex , line 206, syntax error on "open" Jan 15 21:01:11 no more free mango for you :P Jan 15 21:01:22 add a "from __future__ import with_statement" before the first import Jan 15 21:01:32 thanks Jan 15 21:02:00 python is cool like that Jan 15 21:02:04 it lets you import shit from the future Jan 15 21:02:42 huh, cool? Jan 15 21:02:57 i lied, it's not actually from the future Jan 15 21:03:23 thanks god I have to deal with C/++ and ASM :D:D:D Jan 15 21:03:32 this thing is UGLY Jan 15 21:03:36 fu Jan 15 21:04:21 how is that possible identation to mark a block?!? this is crazy Jan 15 21:04:40 freemangordon, nothing is ugly if you get used to javascript :) Jan 15 21:04:40 haha Jan 15 21:04:56 how is that possible, braces to mark a block?!? this is crazy Jan 15 21:05:29 freemangordon: from __future__ import braces Jan 15 21:05:31 qwazix: actually javascript is almost like C (syntax-wise) Jan 15 21:05:37 try it in the interactive interpreter Jan 15 21:06:10 "SyntaxError: from __future__ imports must occur at the beginning of the file" Jan 15 21:06:20 in the interactive interpreter i said Jan 15 21:06:21 the fuck?!? it is at the begining Jan 15 21:06:22 freemangordon, it is but because of the extensive use of callbacks and inline functions and json and prototyping it tends to get ugly real quick Jan 15 21:06:23 oh Jan 15 21:06:34 freemangordon: have you put it *before* the "import math"? Jan 15 21:06:46 no Jan 15 21:06:51 why should I? Jan 15 21:07:00 well then it's not at the beginning, is it Jan 15 21:07:05 you did a whole thing before it Jan 15 21:07:14 created an object Jan 15 21:07:22 at the begining there are comments and a newline Jan 15 21:07:24 :D Jan 15 21:07:29 after the comments Jan 15 21:07:32 before "import math" Jan 15 21:07:38 ok Jan 15 21:07:56 this is a no-brainer :D Jan 15 21:08:23 anyway, try "from __future__ import braces" in the interactive interpreter Jan 15 21:08:33 {foo: bar = function(baz){ something(function(goo){ return zoo }); } } Jan 15 21:08:44 hehe Jan 15 21:08:47 ^^^ ugly enough? Jan 15 21:08:58 qwazix: but it is in braces :P Jan 15 21:09:25 yeah, at least I could write that in one line Jan 15 21:09:33 so it does not matter how many spaces/tabs/CR you'll have Jan 15 21:09:34 what's the "foo:" supposed to be? Jan 15 21:09:42 In python they gave up and they support only single line lambdas :) Jan 15 21:09:54 single *expression* lambdas Jan 15 21:09:54 kerio: I guess a typo Jan 15 21:10:20 * freemangordon is not aware if jscript has labels Jan 15 21:10:38 {"foo": lambda baz: something(lambda goo: zoo)} Jan 15 21:10:46 er, well Jan 15 21:10:52 {"foo": (lambda baz: something(lambda goo: zoo))} Jan 15 21:11:20 It has labels Jan 15 21:11:32 the whole thing inside outer braces is an object Jan 15 21:11:45 my whole thing inside braces is a dict Jan 15 21:12:25 I think (now when I am an expert :D) that python is almost as ugly as prolog Jan 15 21:12:33 freemangordon: no srsly, fu Jan 15 21:13:01 bar = {tee: "something", foo: function(baz){ something(function(goo){ return zoo }); } } Jan 15 21:13:05 now it's correct Jan 15 21:13:14 but at least the"future" is now compiling :D Jan 15 21:13:22 previously the "bar =" thingie was wrong Jan 15 21:14:49 kerio: will that "future with" be compatible with 2.6 and above? Jan 15 21:15:08 yep Jan 15 21:15:29 __future__ is for future versions? Jan 15 21:15:58 "from __future__ import foo" is a particular statement that's not actually an import Jan 15 21:16:13 it enables or disables stuff in the parser Jan 15 21:16:30 it's for changes in the syntax Jan 15 21:16:43 hmm, too complicated for me :) Jan 15 21:27:28 the thing I can't understand in python is why have arrays, lists and dicts as a different entity Jan 15 21:27:54 couldn't it be one thing altogether and store whatever you like in it? Jan 15 21:27:55 er, how on earth do you expect array to be equal to hashtables? Jan 15 21:28:08 (or whatever they are under the hood) Jan 15 21:28:15 different things should be different Jan 15 21:28:22 why not? in php it works like a charm Jan 15 21:28:40 sorry, but "php" and "works like a charm" just doesn't sound ok for me Jan 15 21:28:49 but otoh, lua lives with that iirc Jan 15 21:29:03 and I still thing it's not too good Jan 15 21:29:31 I don't have any special love for php but I've used it enough and the fact that arrays = hashtables has never caused a problem Jan 15 21:29:32 qwazix: because arrays aren't in python, lists are vectors, and dicts are hashtables Jan 15 21:29:38 from performance to educational reasons Jan 15 21:29:42 for fuck's sake how can they be the same thing Jan 15 21:29:57 (no, we don't talk about the array module) Jan 15 21:30:07 I've seen python programmers for whom the main difference between an array and a hash was that you index array by int and a hash by string Jan 15 21:30:14 kerio: "import array" Jan 15 21:30:30 i just said we don't talk about the array module Jan 15 21:30:43 yeah, just seen that sry Jan 15 21:30:45 also, if you want a good array implementation, install numpy Jan 15 21:30:59 yep, that's what I'm using Jan 15 21:31:07 trying to port an old script of mine from matlab Jan 15 21:32:40 xes, DocScrutinizer05, want to chat about sysop? Jan 15 21:32:54 sorry, not today Jan 15 21:33:00 WTF is files.maemo.org ?? Jan 15 21:33:01 or just a minute Jan 15 21:33:11 why not... Jan 15 21:33:49 xes: I'm terribly annoyed by today's downtime/fsckup of *.maemo.org Jan 15 21:34:52 xes: what could you do for maemo admin? Jan 15 21:35:26 or rather, what are you qualified to do, and what are you ready and willing to do? Jan 15 21:35:26 DocScrutinizer05: today i asked qwazix about the request for a sysop... i would understand exactly what you are searching for.. Jan 15 21:36:26 xes: we got two beefy irons, with like 16 VM on them, and we need somebody for the "housekeeping" at very least Jan 15 21:37:04 Don't really got them yet, Jan 15 21:37:13 but we will pretty soon Jan 15 21:37:18 yeah, eventually we will Jan 15 21:37:22 maybe Jan 15 21:37:26 usually i build systems over blade centers with xen server 4.1 and iscsi storage Jan 15 21:37:44 that sounds kinda... just what we're looking for Jan 15 21:38:14 for sure it is import to evaluate the weight... Jan 15 21:39:16 ...the virtualization system you would choose may change the hw requirements Jan 15 21:39:36 nothing decided yet Jan 15 21:39:45 we'll get the disk images probably Jan 15 21:39:53 of the VM Jan 15 21:40:14 DocScrutinizer05, may I share the infrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf Jan 15 21:40:19 sure Jan 15 21:40:26 it's already public Jan 15 21:40:34 on maemo.cloud-7.de Jan 15 21:40:36 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/maemo.orginfrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf Jan 15 21:40:41 and concerning the storage? qwazix talked about 4tb... organized in? Jan 15 21:40:55 (I was just worrying about that hidden path in the link) Jan 15 21:41:10 qwazix: was too lazy to move it out of there Jan 15 21:41:19 ok Jan 15 21:41:38 xes, let me tell you the story from the beginning Jan 15 21:41:52 Nokia's idea was to buy us two boxen for the autobuilders Jan 15 21:41:55 xes: Nemein informed us that it will kinda be similar to the lean design in that pdf Jan 15 21:41:55 ubuntu vm? Jan 15 21:42:23 nfc Jan 15 21:42:24 and have the rest of them (wiki, tmo, midgard, garage etc) hosted somewhere else Jan 15 21:42:34 I Aint No Sysop Jan 15 21:43:05 But there's no way that we can afford both CoLo and VM hosting Jan 15 21:43:27 and as Nokia isn't willing to trade the boxen for money or even hosting Jan 15 21:43:37 we can't afford managed hosting of 12 or 18 xen-VM plus Colo and maintenance for that iron Jan 15 21:43:45 We're left with trying to fit everything on the iron Jan 15 21:44:03 so the initial configuration was huge ram and low disk for the iron Jan 15 21:44:08 (fit on iron) for a start at least Jan 15 21:44:27 We could chip in to increase the disk or trade ram for disk Jan 15 21:44:42 ..ok... first of all, you should start from money to spend for hardware Jan 15 21:44:46 we probably don't want to trade any of the RAM Jan 15 21:45:16 Budget for purchase of hardware is 7000eur from Nokia Jan 15 21:45:19 xes: the hardware virtually already exists, we can just change minor specs on it Jan 15 21:45:49 And we could possibly add some change to that from HiFo funds Jan 15 21:45:57 ok... but vitually is good word for a vm but not for what we have.. :) Jan 15 21:46:06 ..or not.. Jan 15 21:46:33 Also we need to minimize rack space. Jan 15 21:46:51 the first good choice is put the money in the right things Jan 15 21:46:58 xes: the plan is: Nemein buys that iron, moves stuff there, donates it to community, and we get rid of it again as soon as possible Jan 15 21:47:03 we REALLY need to minimize rackspace Jan 15 21:47:03 hahaha Jan 15 21:47:33 xes: ...and move to dedi servers from e.g Hetzner Jan 15 21:47:34 DocScrutinizer05: ok Jan 15 21:47:49 we can't pay or maintain CoLo Jan 15 21:48:29 ..the link to the pdf is just a future plan? And the actual situation? Jan 15 21:48:38 and if any of those blades emits blue magic smoke, we're out of business permanently Jan 15 21:49:06 the actual situation is that the VM's are hosted in nemeins xen grid Jan 15 21:49:09 the actual situation is: Nemein moved everything to xen-grid VM Jan 15 21:49:21 interim Jan 15 21:49:29 until the iron is set up Jan 15 21:49:47 Nokia paid for "hosting" til end of Feb Jan 15 21:49:55 can't we... keep it there? Jan 15 21:50:05 ...xen-grid = good news.. :) Jan 15 21:50:31 kerio, the number floating around is 250eur/mo/vm Jan 15 21:50:32 then we're in for at least 200EUR/iron-month, for bare rackspace (+traffic and electricity?) Jan 15 21:50:39 and we have 12 of them Jan 15 21:50:47 wait, *for each vm*? Jan 15 21:50:51 (maybe more if we include scratchbox) Jan 15 21:50:54 yessir Jan 15 21:50:54 what are these vm made of, diamond bits? Jan 15 21:51:07 kerio, virtual diamond bits Jan 15 21:51:20 qwazix: those are called bitcoins Jan 15 21:52:01 DocScrutinizer05: is that the general price, or the price they're giving us? Jan 15 21:52:24 It's an "estimated cost" Jan 15 21:52:49 btw 250/month is what Hetzer calls for a managed LAMP VM, we need managed root VM Jan 15 21:53:09 ..i need to read with attention the pdf... and again this chat Jan 15 21:53:15 might as well be 10 times as much for those Jan 15 21:53:36 no, we got no quote from Nemein yet Jan 15 21:53:42 oh, managed? Jan 15 21:53:49 as in, they also give us a sysop? Jan 15 21:53:50 and I don't think we want any Jan 15 21:54:21 kerio: those are xen-grid engines, they hardly drop them on our feet unmanaged Jan 15 21:55:07 and we hardly get access to the xen management console Jan 15 21:55:34 but... do you think that this kind of information could stay logged here? Jan 15 21:55:36 so aiui yes, this is an offer only available incl sysop Jan 15 21:55:50 xes: sorry? Jan 15 21:56:16 It's not that we've given out root passwords so why not? Jan 15 21:56:46 If you skim over friday 18.00 utc meetings over on #maemo-meeting logs you'll find more info Jan 15 21:56:57 yep Jan 15 21:57:02 qwazix: thanks Jan 15 21:57:40 also the Friday before Jan 15 21:58:07 ok.. i think i have a lot to read.. Jan 15 21:58:55 and if you read today's log of smae chan, you'll find updates to current fsckup Jan 15 21:59:05 DocScrutinizer05, there was another document in google docs that xes might find useful, got it handy? Jan 15 21:59:17 th eIP stuff? Jan 15 21:59:30 yep I think that was it Jan 15 21:59:45 on cloud7 in migration-project Jan 15 21:59:52 ~interim-dns Jan 15 21:59:52 hmm... interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" Jan 15 22:00:10 and similar files Jan 15 22:02:09 xes: right today we could use somebody controlling the DNS changes that happened ~24h ago, and confirm if all are correct Jan 15 22:02:31 I did several times, and I think some are not correct yet Jan 15 22:02:47 I'm sorry but i would undersand the situation .. starting at half migration requires some information about before and after....Please be patient for my questions Jan 15 22:02:47 however that's not my primary competence Jan 15 22:06:24 xes: a short history: *.maemo.org lived on ~16...20 akamai(?) server(-clusters) owned by Nokia, together with maemo-unrelated stuff. Nokia decided to "donate" all maemo stuff to community and ordered Nemein (their hoster/maintenance service) to move stuff to dedicated locations that have no unrelated bits anymore, and then donate that to community Jan 15 22:07:19 Nemein came up with a plan how to do that (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/maemo.orginfrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf) and since the server irons are not installed yet, they interim moved everything to xen-grid VM Jan 15 22:08:07 yesterday Nokia switched the DNS records to point to those new VM Jan 15 22:08:27 parially... :-/ Jan 15 22:08:33 partially... :-/ Jan 15 22:08:51 so all the vm are already working inside a xen host? and ready to be moved anywhere? Jan 15 22:08:59 yes Jan 15 22:09:02 :) Jan 15 22:09:14 and where is the problem? Jan 15 22:09:15 but we won't get access to those Jan 15 22:09:43 since they are maintained by Nemein Jan 15 22:10:35 ..so every application service should be reinstalled and reconfigured again? Jan 15 22:10:40 we can't afford those maintained xen-grid VM, so we asked Nemein to move them to the iron(s) once they got installed Jan 15 22:11:03 so we can run them in vmware or whatever instances on those irons Jan 15 22:11:10 what dns names are still not moved? Jan 15 22:11:18 ShadowJK: nfc Jan 15 22:11:34 afaik repository.maemo.org has no A record yet Jan 15 22:11:43 or maybe meanwhile it has Jan 15 22:11:55 others to be checked Jan 15 22:12:19 "migration" like full vm copy or what? Jan 15 22:12:30 I'd guess yes Jan 15 22:13:05 first move the VMs to the iron, then consolidate a bit, then move again to Hetzner dedi servers Jan 15 22:13:07 i suppose they are using xenserver5.. is it correct? Jan 15 22:13:12 nfc Jan 15 22:13:37 the iron isn't even ordered yet Jan 15 22:14:30 I asked nemein if they could provide the VM images on the iron, so we can start them there, they answered "should be feasible". that's all, and disclaimer "iirc" Jan 15 22:14:46 with Hetzner dedi server you that they will host phisically or in another vm grid? Jan 15 22:15:12 we will get whatever we need and can pay for Jan 15 22:15:30 so most probably physical dedicated servers Jan 15 22:15:53 also use the 2 "taxi" irons? Jan 15 22:15:57 Hetzner doesn't offer root grid vm afaik Jan 15 22:16:40 we want to get rid of any "own" hardware Jan 15 22:16:46 no CoLo please Jan 15 22:17:34 my script reports repository. still has same A record as yesterday :) Jan 15 22:17:41 at least that's our take on it right now, but we all Aint No Sysops Jan 15 22:18:07 ShadowJK: so does it point to new IP? Jan 15 22:19:12 What is "new ip"? Jan 15 22:19:16 after the first step you will obtain a bunch of vm and sxp files... Porting all to Hetzener will mean to install all again (if they not provide root access to vm) Jan 15 22:19:23 ...59.203 still Jan 15 22:19:43 ShadowJK: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts Jan 15 22:20:00 DocScrutinizer05: can't we sell the servers back to nemein, btw? Jan 15 22:20:47 xes: the idea is to run the vm on our own root server Jan 15 22:20:47 DocScrutinizer05; yep been that since yesterday afternoon Jan 15 22:21:10 kerio: I wasn't able to ask them yet Jan 15 22:22:25 ..."our own root server?" ...That we already have? Not the 2 irons? Jan 15 22:22:49 No, to get a rented root server from Hetzner and run the VM's on it Jan 15 22:23:00 without reinstalling stuff Jan 15 22:23:04 xes: no we don't have that yet Jan 15 22:23:44 we might get a few of those 32GB octocore Jan 15 22:23:58 ~100bucks per month Jan 15 22:24:05 ~sorry Jan 15 22:24:06 * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!" Jan 15 22:24:51 we understand, infobot Jan 15 22:24:55 ~botsnack Jan 15 22:24:56 :), kerio Jan 15 22:25:07 :) Jan 15 22:26:11 xes: do you still feel like helping? :-) Or are you already scared or pissed by the mess? Jan 15 22:30:34 kerio: ok, managed LAMP servers are starting at even 99EUR, see http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/managed-server-produktmatrix, however we need server with root access, and those aren't Jan 15 22:30:53 DocScrutinizer05: ... :) not scared... it is what i do every day, nothing strange, nothing more. Now i need to understand well the situation reading taking some time to read the info you sent me. Then we will talk about what you would expect from me.....mess..yes, a few :) ..but i know that also when i try to describe my xenchilds it seems to a lot of mess from an external eye Jan 15 22:31:26 :nod: Jan 15 22:31:51 what we expect from you? simple: HEEEEELP!! ;-D Jan 15 22:32:23 look, we basically all have no f*ng clue about that stuff Jan 15 22:32:34 ^^^ yes, that Jan 15 22:32:53 so even some guidance is of extreme value Jan 15 22:34:17 ..now i have to disconnect to complete a maintenance Jan 15 22:34:58 if you have some info to read send me an email... Jan 15 22:35:14 I'll be going too Jan 15 22:35:20 ~#maemo sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 Jan 15 22:35:20 DocScrutinizer05: okay Jan 15 22:35:49 xes: what's your email addr? Jan 15 22:36:03 i send you a pm Jan 15 22:36:07 ok Jan 15 22:36:47 xes mine is same as my nick at gmail Jan 15 22:36:48 please to joerg at openmoko org, not to at maemo org since ML are down Jan 15 22:38:02 (of course you can and should CC council at maemo-org) Jan 15 22:38:23 which doesn't work atm Jan 15 22:39:54 done Jan 15 22:39:59 :-D Jan 15 22:40:13 xes: thanks for everything Jan 15 22:40:31 nothing ...until now ;) Jan 15 22:41:25 mail received. Got to go. Have a nice night. Jan 15 22:41:32 qwazix: o/ Jan 15 22:42:13 bye! Jan 15 23:09:17 is ML getting migrated? I noticed yesterday it was hosted at a different place alltogether Jan 15 23:09:48 or atleast dns pointing that way Jan 15 23:15:21 i work as a sysadmin... and i'm reading all this maemo.org stuff... Jan 15 23:26:45 ShadowJK, judging by the fact that the council mailing list fails to deliver, and I believe so does the main mailing list, I'd say yeah, the DNS changed. Jan 15 23:31:45 yep, the list.maemo.org DNS moved to a new VM, and delivering mails often fails due to rDNS not yet set up correctly (state of yesterday) Jan 15 23:32:45 same rDNS issue applies for confirmation email sent from garage's "create new account" Jan 15 23:33:41 ~tell wirr about sysop-wanted Jan 16 00:26:47 DocScrutinizer05, is mamemo.org being moved ? Jan 16 00:27:08 yes Jan 16 00:27:22 old forums as well ? Jan 16 00:27:30 tmo? Jan 16 00:28:01 tmo ? Jan 16 00:28:12 which "old forums"? Jan 16 00:28:18 the maemo ones Jan 16 00:28:29 will they move to the new "hosting" Jan 16 00:28:32 could you be more specific please? Jan 16 00:28:40 the old site content Jan 16 00:28:52 there was a lot of hw to stuff on there Jan 16 00:28:55 how* Jan 16 00:29:27 we got wiki.maemo.org, lists.maemo.org, garage.maemo.org, TALK.maemo.org, ... Jan 16 00:29:36 k cool Jan 16 00:29:53 and I don't know of any other "fold forums" than talk.maemo.org Jan 16 00:30:11 yeh, that is probably everything so thats good Jan 16 00:30:11 ==tmo Jan 16 00:30:17 kk Jan 16 00:30:18 cool Jan 16 00:30:21 tmo is not yet moved Jan 16 00:30:34 * LinuxCode needs to resize his N900, that is why Im asking Jan 16 00:31:09 it's been originally sheduled for tomorrow, but just this minute I asked Reggie resp chem|st to postpone it a day or two, until our current pronlems with new infra got sorted Jan 16 00:31:22 k Jan 16 00:31:24 no worries Jan 16 00:31:29 even if it takes a week Jan 16 00:31:36 as long as it comes back Jan 16 00:31:37 ;-} Jan 16 00:31:54 LinuxCode: so probbaly right now is a really bad time for doing stuff on N900 that needs access to *.maemo.org Jan 16 00:32:03 yeah def Jan 16 00:32:06 that is fine Jan 16 00:32:12 got my hands full with Fedora atm anyway Jan 16 00:32:29 we're busy like hell to bring stuff back to normal operation ASAP Jan 16 00:32:43 most appreciated all your efforts by the way Jan 16 00:32:45 see /topic Jan 16 00:33:39 ;-} Jan 16 00:58:48 Does anyone know what stuff typically uses port 43177? My router's been getting UDP packets from a bunch of different IPs and a bunch of different source port addresses, to that port. iptables drops all of them so I'm not too worried, but I couldn't find anything on Google saying what used it, so I figured I'd ask here. Jan 16 01:13:09 MentalistTraceur: http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/ports00000.htm Jan 16 01:13:47 according to that it's unassigned Jan 16 01:14:57 might have been a p2p thing on former owner of your dhcp IP Jan 16 01:15:45 I know that much. I was hoping someone knew of some well known program.... wait. P2P. I torrented a debian linux iso image recently, then seeded for a while. Jan 16 01:15:56 That might explain it. Jan 16 01:16:02 :nod: Jan 16 01:55:43 Helo Jan 16 02:27:07 Are the maemo repos down? Jan 16 02:29:54 /topic Jan 16 02:30:49 ah Jan 16 02:30:52 damn Jan 16 02:30:53 wtf Jan 16 02:30:55 ! Jan 16 02:31:00 I need a .deb Jan 16 02:31:01 damnit Jan 16 02:31:03 curses Jan 16 02:31:27 Anyone have the most recent sudser .deb available? Jan 16 02:31:48 There's a backup up somewhere. Jan 16 02:50:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:59 2013