**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 17 03:00:00 2013 Jan 17 03:02:26 ShadowJK: dude Jan 17 03:02:28 it worked Jan 17 03:02:33 you win my heart man Jan 17 03:10:09 heh, triple As done provide the current Jan 17 03:10:15 shuts off during dots Jan 17 03:10:20 but if flashed successfully Jan 17 03:21:35 meh Jan 17 03:22:43 could somebody help me out with the correct incantation for Ubuntu server 12.04 LTS security update? Jan 17 05:19:32 r00t|home: the latest cssu doesn't have the watchdog for h-d anymore Jan 17 05:27:54 TMO is back up but set to read-ony. Jan 17 05:27:59 *only Jan 17 05:57:29 reggie_: many thanks! :-D Jan 17 05:58:48 reggie_: please add a page header to every page mentioning the r/o fact and maybe pointing to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 or similar text with more elaborate explanation Jan 17 05:59:36 it's already at the right side Jan 17 05:59:55 "this forum is in mainenance read-only mode>/a> Jan 17 06:00:03 ooh, missed that Jan 17 06:00:11 yup it's there ;) Jan 17 06:01:27 hmm, probably not in my "classic light2 theme Jan 17 06:01:34 hmm, probably not in my "classic light" theme Jan 17 06:03:50 hehe Jan 17 06:04:39 everyone is there anyway we can set low brightness Jan 17 06:09:02 lunde: plenty Jan 17 06:09:21 o.O Jan 17 06:11:38 no builder yet :( Jan 17 06:11:39 well I tried gconf one Jan 17 06:12:04 lunde: the settings menu has a slider iirc Jan 17 06:12:15 same as simple-brightness-applet or whatever it's called Jan 17 06:12:33 please tell more methods Jan 17 06:12:58 why? what's your issue? Jan 17 06:13:13 please post proper notice about >>URL, plain-text-servicedescription, error/symptom<< to #maemo-meeting Jan 17 06:13:24 Sc0rpius: ^^^ Jan 17 06:13:58 no issue brightness irritates my eyes Jan 17 06:14:12 oh, you want something less bright? Jan 17 06:14:15 have simple-brightness-applet Jan 17 06:14:37 yes Jan 17 06:14:49 lunde: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1198881&postcount=183 Jan 17 06:14:55 there's a patch on tmo Jan 17 06:15:16 kerio: you beat me to it?? Jan 17 06:15:20 yep Jan 17 06:15:22 suck it Jan 17 06:15:25 tztztz Jan 17 06:15:48 :) Jan 17 06:16:02 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A Jan 17 06:17:39 lol Jan 17 06:23:09 * RST38h yawns, moos at DocScrutinizer Jan 17 06:25:22 the repositories are still down, right? Jan 17 06:25:45 were down yesterdau Jan 17 06:25:47 y Jan 17 06:42:58 Sicelo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 Jan 17 06:45:22 got blocked access to maemo talks thread... activation link not sent or lost somewhere... resent does not show new link in my mail box Jan 17 07:09:59 romaxa: mail is still fubar due to lack of rdns Jan 17 07:10:08 so... yeah Jan 17 07:16:00 kerio: so how can I solve this problem quickly? Jan 17 07:16:23 kerio: need to get access to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191&page=14 Jan 17 07:16:24 time machine to dec 2012, and register then Jan 17 07:19:48 romaxa: you mean blocked access because you can't post? That's due to the forum being migrated; you are an old member so why would you need to activate it again? Jan 17 07:21:45 thedead1440: yep Jan 17 07:22:05 thedead1440: trying to figure why is that Jan 17 07:22:09 then its just migration issues Jan 17 07:22:18 romaxa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 Jan 17 07:22:21 thedead1440: resending activation no email... Jan 17 07:22:34 romaxa: hi Jan 17 07:22:58 romaxa: no matter what I am still getting segmentation fault in libxyl :( Jan 17 07:23:03 *libxul Jan 17 07:23:25 freemangordon: did you get symbols? Jan 17 07:23:46 no, binary is 600MB with them :) Jan 17 07:23:55 freemangordon: I see thread safety problem, do you build with pure Qt build or use some maemo stuff? Jan 17 07:24:04 pure Qt Jan 17 07:24:24 freemangordon: sound like ThreadSafe Qt flag did not set properly Jan 17 07:24:29 i just fixed python scripts to be 2.5 compatible Jan 17 07:24:47 freemangordon: why didn't you install 2.7? Jan 17 07:24:49 freemangordon: did you get backtrace? Jan 17 07:25:35 romaxa: Qt was missing a patch leadign to qpixmap complaining. I backported it, so it it silens, bus still segfaults in lubxul Jan 17 07:25:49 no backtrace without debug symbols Jan 17 07:25:55 though I think I have coredump Jan 17 07:26:26 * freemangordon is still having his first coffee, apologies for the typos Jan 17 07:28:09 freemangordon: could you try export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 Jan 17 07:28:22 sure Jan 17 07:28:48 freemangordon: also make sure GRE_HOME=/path/to/current/folder just in case Jan 17 07:29:18 romaxa: It opens, shows the UI and segfaults in an instant, but ok Jan 17 07:30:46 freemangordon: yep sounds like some problem with libxul init Jan 17 07:34:15 romaxa: http://pastebin.com/T4gydsN9 Jan 17 07:36:16 romaxa: I guess I do something wrong, but just can't figure out what :( Jan 17 07:37:07 freemangordon: ok I guess I know what is goin on Jan 17 07:37:16 nice :) Jan 17 07:37:18 freemangordon: ls components | grep .so Jan 17 07:38:22 libdbusservice.so Jan 17 07:38:34 the others are .js files Jan 17 07:39:08 freemangordon: try remove libdbusservice.so Jan 17 07:41:22 the same :( Jan 17 07:42:52 freemangordon: can suggest only try it on stock fremantle image Jan 17 07:43:31 romaxa: why is that? how will that help? Jan 17 07:43:34 freemangordon: something wrong is going on with libraries init Jan 17 07:43:44 and QT in stock is 4.7.0 Jan 17 07:43:53 romaxa: ok Jan 17 07:43:57 freemangordon: maybe before that, it make sense to rebuild with --enable-debug --enable-logging Jan 17 07:44:07 i'll try to figure it out Jan 17 07:44:08 ok Jan 17 07:44:27 freemangordon: so you will se more debug logging stuff and we can figure out more exact place of failure Jan 17 07:44:28 "--enable-debug --enable-logging" should help Jan 17 07:44:35 :nod: Jan 17 07:44:40 thanks for the help Jan 17 07:45:55 romaxa: do I need RTTI? as i've disabled it Jan 17 07:47:02 freemangordon: not sure depends on how Qt compiled Jan 17 07:47:18 freemangordon: on N9 we needed that because Meegotouch had it Jan 17 07:47:32 well, my previous fennec builds work without RTTI, I gues it is ok Jan 17 07:47:52 no meegotouch in fremantle :) Jan 17 07:49:51 kerio: it was you help me fix python, why should I install stuff from extras-devel instead of 5 one-liner changes? Jan 17 07:50:28 sure, why not :D Jan 17 07:53:24 freemangordon: btw, do you build from my branch? Jan 17 07:53:32 romaxa: yep Jan 17 07:53:40 freemangordon: I guess python trick was added in there Jan 17 07:53:50 back to 2.6 Jan 17 07:54:11 it is 2.5 here :) Jan 17 07:54:31 so a couple of scripts needed tweaking Jan 17 07:55:01 I have the patch, so once there is a shared repo, i'll branch and commit it there Jan 17 07:56:32 BTW maybe we should port harmattan Qt booster (I guess this is maemo-launcher equiv) to fremantle :) Jan 17 07:56:52 freemangordon: but for long term it is better to build 2.7 Jan 17 07:57:36 romaxa: sure, but let this run first :) Jan 17 07:57:51 there is 2.7 in repos (thanks aapo) Jan 17 07:58:56 the 2.7 in the repos is some -rc, though Jan 17 07:59:05 it should be updated to the latest stable Jan 17 07:59:15 pester aapo :) Jan 17 07:59:31 but first... we need the autobuilder back :D Jan 17 08:00:45 romaxa: what is -DUSE_ANDROID_OMTC_HACKS=1 for? Jan 17 08:03:41 freemangordon: I'm using OMTC compositor in embedd (threaded rendering) and mozilla currently use that mainly for android and has some tweaks in order to embed that rendering into android native UI... so I use some of them for my embedding Jan 17 08:03:56 aah, ok Jan 17 08:05:23 romaxa: BTW is simple "strip libxul.so" correct? shouldn't I "strip -g libxul.so"? Jan 17 08:06:51 freemangordon: not sure I use nfs mount and don't copy anything Jan 17 08:07:45 I did "make deb", so I don;t copy anything either :). Jan 17 08:08:37 I am following (basically) this https://wiki.mozilla.org/How_To_Build_Fennec_on_Harmattan_SDK Jan 17 08:09:15 freemangordon: err... try to copy bin directory as is Jan 17 08:09:28 hmm... ok Jan 17 08:09:34 cp -rfL obj.../dist/bin mozbuild Jan 17 08:09:40 strip mozbuild/* Jan 17 08:09:46 ok Jan 17 08:09:46 scp on device Jan 17 08:10:10 will do. (once the new build has finished) Jan 17 08:20:48 * thedead1440 is surprised to see posts in off-topic working on TMO :D Jan 17 08:26:46 btw, why are you using qt for fennec, now? Jan 17 08:27:02 oh, fmg is gone Jan 17 08:27:07 romaxa: Jan 17 08:27:24 i thought fennec was gtk Jan 17 08:28:38 kerio: fennec is basically xul, now it is mostly dead and unsupported Jan 17 08:29:53 kerio: I do build embedding API around gecko which would allow easily embed and build browser using practically any toolkit supported by mozilla-core, qt/gtk/win32/uikit Jan 17 08:30:12 :D Jan 17 08:30:26 gtk would be better for the n900, to use with maemo-invoker Jan 17 08:30:55 but i'm thankful that someone is still thinking about firefox mobile on non-android Jan 17 08:32:03 kerio: yep, but in that case I need to build gtk wrapper+ui around generic api it is not really hard but Qt native ui would be more popular, because it become main toolkit on some platforms like ubuntu-phone, Jan 17 08:32:40 kerio: mozilla does android support because android has market share Jan 17 08:32:42 fuck ubuntufone Jan 17 08:32:55 and fuck jolla/sailfish, but a bit more gently Jan 17 08:33:32 keiro: look at this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2065640 :) Jan 17 08:33:51 romaxa: by "native" you mean still around your wrapper, right? Jan 17 08:34:39 keith: core api is https://github.com/romaxa/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/EmbedLiteApp.h, EmbedLiteView.h Jan 17 08:34:56 you fail at IRC forever Jan 17 08:35:04 ;) Jan 17 08:35:53 kerio: which is C++, and wrapper Qt/Qml for example is just QGraphicsWidget hwich provides Qt widget with gecko rendering inside.. Jan 17 08:36:04 kerio: why I fail? Jan 17 08:37:34 kerio: for example here is pure c++ example which render webpage into console https://github.com/romaxa/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/tests/embedLiteViewInitTest.cpp Jan 17 08:37:38 ;0 Jan 17 08:39:34 hold on now, so the good ol' fennec has been discontinued? :( Jan 17 08:40:44 kerio: mozilla work mainly on Android... because xul is slow, so noone is working on XUL Fennec anymore Jan 17 08:41:14 kerio: it take ages to startup on raspberry pi Jan 17 08:41:42 solution: uzbl Jan 17 08:41:56 kerio: mozilla kept it for a while in repository, just in case if someone will continue contributions, but no activity so far Jan 17 08:42:05 kerio: so now it is RIP Jan 17 08:42:12 :( Jan 17 08:42:20 kerio: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831236 Jan 17 08:42:49 kerio: if you willing to support that go ahead and leave the comment Jan 17 08:42:50 ;0 Jan 17 08:44:29 kerio: why you don't like other native platform like ubuntu,jolla? Jan 17 08:45:28 kerio: more native stacks will go to the market, more motivation to app developers write html5 crappy apps.. FirefoxOS benefit from that ;) Jan 17 08:45:54 how do i make terminal font smaller Jan 17 08:46:09 tommis: ctrl- Jan 17 08:46:22 tommis: volume slider Jan 17 08:46:32 well, not slider, the volume keys Jan 17 08:46:52 the control one doesn't work Jan 17 08:47:09 tommis: I did not know you asking about device.... Jan 17 08:47:12 :) Jan 17 08:47:13 i had accidentally made the font huge Jan 17 08:47:29 what do you expect? this is #maemo Jan 17 08:49:29 also is there any mirros for maemo repo? Jan 17 08:50:11 for me it's been down for couple days Jan 17 08:51:52 they'll be up again shortly Jan 17 08:52:04 'shortly' Jan 17 08:52:19 we had some problems with the migration, they should be fixed now Jan 17 08:52:45 well, it's kinda hard to keep servers up when you're being DoSed by akamai Jan 17 08:52:57 akamai? Jan 17 08:53:03 it wasn't their fault, though :] Jan 17 08:53:18 tommis: a huge content distribution network Jan 17 08:53:47 k Jan 17 08:53:50 due to a misconfiguration, they decided that they had to redownload the whole of *.maemo.org again Jan 17 08:54:14 and they have quite a fat pipe to do so Jan 17 09:25:08 * DocScrutinizer51 idly ponders to turn those akamai server farms into a nice botnet, since probably Nokia will pay for them another 2 years :-P Jan 17 09:26:38 :D Jan 17 09:26:48 just point them to google.com Jan 17 09:27:03 and then tell google to index stage.maemo.org Jan 17 09:33:45 unstoppable force meets immovable object Jan 17 09:36:22 :D Jan 17 09:48:37 ok, this is fucking creepy Jan 17 09:48:58 We use TheBugGenie at work, works great, is awesome. Jan 17 09:49:09 I just discovered a project that had never been used, which contains 19 issues. Jan 17 09:49:37 Problem is, those 19 issues are emails from my personal inbox, dating back from may 23rd. Jan 17 09:50:48 Posted by "Jeremiah C. Foster" Jan 17 09:50:54 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 08:12:24PM +0200, Piotr Jawidzyk wrote: Jan 17 09:50:54 I think You're missing the point about "qt style agreement" here - We Jan 17 09:50:54 *don't* talk about changing license of Maemo software (i.e. opening Jan 17 09:50:54 closed bits, or whatever). Whole thing is about transferring Jan 17 09:50:54 governance over project. Jan 17 09:50:55 That was unclear in the original email. Jan 17 09:56:21 is there any replacement for the seemingly defunt mussorgsky? Jan 17 09:56:26 defunct* Jan 17 10:13:44 why is it defunct? Jan 17 10:14:12 web-api changed? Jan 17 10:26:59 DocScrutinizer51 what's our state? I see tmo is r/o, m.org works pretty ok (a bit slow) and new tmo is empty. Jan 17 10:27:05 DocScrutinizer51, is this correct? downloads.maemo.org. 43190 IN A 80.248.164.250 Jan 17 10:27:33 I think that new servers are 188.x.x.x Jan 17 10:27:47 :nod: Jan 17 10:28:20 downloads.maemo.org is not making sense to me anyway Jan 17 10:28:44 it been a redirect to maemo.org/downloads iirc Jan 17 10:29:28 qwazix: new tmo empty? Jan 17 10:29:43 echo "188.117.59.209 talk.maemo.org" correct? Jan 17 10:29:49 it should be frontpage-banner blocked Jan 17 10:30:16 yu Jan 17 10:30:16 if you try to visit a specific thread it shows no posts Jan 17 10:30:32 just a notice, "we are waiting for dns" Jan 17 10:30:38 yep Jan 17 10:31:48 reggie doesn't enable it until DNS switch, due to obscure problems withy google page ranking for duplicated page content Jan 17 10:32:06 ah, ok that's comforting Jan 17 10:32:27 on the other hand it's been duplicate with f.itt.com for quite a while now Jan 17 10:32:50 (always landing there from google and wondering why I am not logged in) Jan 17 10:32:51 yep, and he wants to avoid same mess aiui Jan 17 10:33:14 good thinking then Jan 17 10:33:50 do we know for sure the dns have been switched by Nokia? Jan 17 10:34:13 or that they've been instructed to do it? Jan 17 10:34:17 I suggested to check HTTP URL, so spiders would see the frontpage blocker while those with etc/hosts patch could use live content Jan 17 10:34:33 that's even cooler Jan 17 10:35:06 but I dunno if it's feasible and if reggie wants to implement it Jan 17 10:35:34 I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again* Jan 17 10:36:03 shouldn't be hard, but anyway, Reggie has been overly helpful doing the move so let's do what he prefers Jan 17 10:36:28 ask chem|st Jan 17 10:36:46 he might want to practice ;-D Jan 17 10:37:20 chem|st, ^^^ do you like to mess up with apache configuration? Jan 17 10:37:37 (If yes we got you a job here :) ) Jan 17 10:38:11 did mashiara show up on IRC? Jan 17 10:38:39 dunno, I just hopped in Jan 17 10:39:00 I'm mobile and thus handicapped Jan 17 10:39:21 znc buffer doesn't show anything Jan 17 10:39:42 you might query him and ask about Nokia/DNS and about security updates on tmo vserver Jan 17 10:39:57 I mean, doesn't show mashiara saying something, it works as expected. Jan 17 10:40:28 he might not even join *maemo-meeting Jan 17 10:40:42 query him please Jan 17 10:40:43 it looks like he is online now. Jan 17 10:41:00 Afk for 5 minutes, i'll do it when I'm back Jan 17 10:41:07 k Jan 17 10:41:52 40k pissed users OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG ;-) Jan 17 10:45:47 (feasible) should be a dirt simple appache vhost Jan 17 10:46:14 resp 2 Jan 17 10:46:56 one for http://talk.maemo.org, and one catchall * Jan 17 10:47:54 the brilliance of this concept: it works automagically when DNS switches Jan 17 10:48:40 and on blocker-frontpage you can explain to users how to patch their etc/hosts and why it's needed Jan 17 10:50:50 and those users which don't want to patch their etc/hosts still have all the "archive" on "old" tmo server, just r/o Jan 17 10:52:22 dang, I'd like to see his implemented just for the shits'n'giggles, even when DNS would switch tomorrow 100percent guaranteed (which I don't see) Jan 17 10:58:07 Greetings Jan 17 10:59:41 I just try again today the http://repository.maemo.org and it seems to not answer Jan 17 11:03:10 sidh: check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 Jan 17 11:03:13 update five Jan 17 11:05:40 marcdeop: ok so for the moment we can use stage.maemo.org in our apt-preferences ? Jan 17 11:06:05 sorry I mean sources-list Jan 17 11:08:40 sidh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 Jan 17 11:25:00 I promise I won't abuse, I just need pidgin-otr Jan 17 11:25:15 thanks brkn Jan 17 11:25:27 you are welcome Jan 17 11:26:00 by abuse i mean mirror the whole 260 gb with apt-mirror or such Jan 17 11:27:25 no problem, I'm sysadmin too, and I do know what means hosting contributions Jan 17 11:28:22 well there is a second server up in case someone really wants to mirror the whole repository Jan 17 11:29:24 i guess repository.maemo.org will be up soon anyway Jan 17 11:29:29 btw is there a forge or github where sources of n900 apps are available ? Jan 17 11:30:09 I downloaded the Nokia Qt dev kit, but I would need some sources example for starting Jan 17 11:30:13 my app Jan 17 11:54:13 qwazix: you mean if I want to mess it up? no. if I can? guess everybody can! if I am familiar with it? yes. Jan 17 11:58:05 qwazix: I am not so familiar with ubuntu although I know my way around in debian Jan 17 12:08:54 chem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files Jan 17 12:09:54 (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file) Jan 17 12:11:09 I think is a pretty nice idea so that tmo doesn't get impacted too much from the migration, if you have access and you are willing to do it, please do. Otherwise we can just wait for the dns Jan 17 12:11:36 Hopefully it will be ok by tomorrow, however I don't have any news about what state it's in Jan 17 12:12:08 (i.e. if nokia made the switch and we're waiting for it to propagate, or if we're still waiting for the switch) Jan 17 12:12:32 qwazix: usually you set the previous server to fwd no need to have users mess with their hosts files! Jan 17 12:13:06 Yes I suggested that in ML but Reggie felt otherwise. Jan 17 12:13:30 hmm... Jan 17 12:14:00 Since he's volunteering to do the migration and generally help out I say we respect that. Jan 17 12:14:45 He also provided rationale, since he's going to downgrade his old server after tomorrow, he wouldn't like traffic going through it. Jan 17 12:15:02 that is actually part of a move... well Jan 17 12:15:06 hmpf Jan 17 12:15:25 I thought the DNS should be processed within the next 24h?! Jan 17 12:16:05 isn't it on him to change the record? Jan 17 12:16:37 It's just that Eero hasn't responded to my query about DNS state and DocScrutiniser told me "I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again*" Jan 17 12:16:42 nokia. afaik Jan 17 12:17:09 so you probably see why I'd prefer to have an interim solution Jan 17 12:18:24 though we don;t need apache to do it, his border firewall can do it with a simple rule Jan 17 12:20:32 qwazix: is it a good idea to ask him to setup his uplink switch to forward 80 to the new ip? I know that will double the traffic, but it will slowly fade away once DNS record is changed Jan 17 12:24:21 freemangordon, I don't want to pester Reggie more with that issue, if we can do something ourselves, good. Else we wait for the DNS. Jan 17 12:31:08 qwazix: no we can not... Jan 17 12:31:46 ok, we'll wait for the switch in that case Jan 17 12:32:06 qwazix: someone having the ip already is already there... someone not having the IP wont see the note about a hosts file edit how-to... so it is pretty pointless Jan 17 12:34:43 chem|st, someone having the ip is blocked Jan 17 12:34:59 so that google doesn't index whole of tmo with ip Jan 17 12:35:27 try 188.117.59.209 Jan 17 12:35:32 blank page Jan 17 12:36:03 the idea is to allow those having the ip and using hosts file (by checking http request url) Jan 17 12:40:25 chem|st: you're missing the point, which is Reggie not wanting to see any spiders on the IP Jan 17 12:40:54 also Reggie definitely WONT change his ITT DNS to point to new tmo Jan 17 12:42:18 any spider would read vhost "*" with the blocking boilerplate as is now, while those with etc7hosts patch would read vhost "talk.maemo.org" and reach live tmo Jan 17 12:43:35 honestly, it's a 15min change for somebody with no clue about appache/html-server, who needs to read manpages before editing config for vhosts Jan 17 12:44:32 it's up to anybody's guess when DNS will change Jan 17 12:44:36 maybe never Jan 17 12:45:30 Eero requested it for yesterday 1000UTC, they changed it Monday, but to a CNAME Jan 17 12:45:56 only Elop might know if they think it's done already, or eventually will change it again Jan 17 12:47:03 I didn't follow all the process but I guess they didn't want to give us control over the domain, right? Jan 17 12:48:06 when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as talk.maemo.org Jan 17 12:48:50 marcdeop: the "control over the domain2 is sth HiFo is negotiating with Nokia lawyers Jan 17 12:49:16 only God knows how long this will take and what we'll see as result in the end Jan 17 12:51:04 the server move however is reality, and we need to deal with it. Fact is we got a working tmo which is blocked simply to keep spiders out. I suggested a smarter solution to keep spiders out and still allow power users and devels to access it, even without proper DNS A record Jan 17 12:53:40 13:48 when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as talk.maemo.org > that's true, duplicate content Jan 17 12:53:58 and with a simple cmdline ~# echo "188.117.59.209 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts; every (unix) user can access new tmo, no matter how long it will take Nokia to fix the DNS record Jan 17 12:55:42 ...once we implement that simple dual vhost thingie on new tmo server Jan 17 12:56:47 Now WMO down again? Jan 17 12:56:55 It was up for the whole day. :-) Jan 17 12:56:55 o.O Jan 17 12:57:56 WTF!?! Jan 17 12:58:44 ye Jan 17 12:59:58 Is this one valid BTW? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts Jan 17 13:00:37 basically yes, but obsolete Jan 17 13:00:51 I maybe should simply take it down Jan 17 13:02:50 done Jan 17 13:03:56 you still can find the same data (and more) in similarly named csb and html files in same dir Jan 17 13:04:00 DocScrutinizer05: windows has a hosts file as well :P Jan 17 13:04:10 ooh Jan 17 13:04:45 but probably no echo cmd ;-P Jan 17 13:05:08 or has it? Jan 17 13:05:19 do I want to know? Jan 17 13:05:49 DocScrutinizer51: no echo, but notepad :D Jan 17 13:05:59 * DocScrutinizer05 pukes Jan 17 13:06:33 there probably is a echo alike command, dunno though ;) Jan 17 13:06:50 alike, yes sure: print afaik Jan 17 13:07:53 echo is probably on/off for sth similar to bash set -v Jan 17 13:08:57 all this might have changed during the 15 years since I last looked for such disgusting stuff Jan 17 13:09:43 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and wanders off Jan 17 13:09:51 bbl Jan 17 13:09:53 o/ Jan 17 13:30:39 If repository.maemo.org is only a DNS issue could we get an IP? Jan 17 13:37:19 Eero said he wants it to point to stage.maemo.org Jan 17 13:37:41 get IP from my DNS file, see above URL Jan 17 13:37:46 DocScrutinizer51: the whole MO is down, not only the repos Jan 17 13:37:52 ooh Jan 17 13:37:58 great Jan 17 13:38:10 you know what Bergie said? Jan 17 13:38:20 no Jan 17 13:38:36 read #maemo-meeting chanlog Jan 17 13:38:42 ok Jan 17 13:38:45 of monday or so Jan 17 13:38:53 I have to leave now Jan 17 13:39:10 support@nemein Jan 17 13:41:30 yep, saw it. anyone maied them? Jan 17 13:41:36 mailed even Jan 17 13:44:12 i've been in contact with mashiara directly Jan 17 13:45:06 doesn't hurt to have others kindly asking for them to listen ;) Jan 17 13:48:29 jyrjyr: any clue why MO is down? Jan 17 13:48:45 i've got no information on any details yet Jan 17 13:48:57 jyrjyr: ok Jan 17 13:49:32 the impression i'm getting is, mashiara is alone trying to manage the whole bunch. and he's a very busy guy. Jan 17 13:50:15 Nokia will outsource 820 IT staff and make 300 more redundant, leaving a skeleton IT operation at the troubled phone maker. Jan 17 13:50:16 probably some very basic reasons why things aren't working, should be easy to solve but it does take time and concentration of course Jan 17 13:50:28 RST38h, just read about that too Jan 17 13:50:41 qwazix: care to sent a mail to support@nemein to inform them for the current problems. bergie is right that we should use the "official" support channel Jan 17 13:50:45 May Stephen Elop turn into a giant pumpkin. Jan 17 13:50:57 =D Jan 17 13:51:53 freemangordon, ok, i've not been paying attention here for the last few minutes, quick sitrep please Jan 17 13:52:09 btw...polling a sysop is not a good way to help him... Jan 17 13:52:27 xes, he's an old friend of mine Jan 17 13:57:19 Anything else apart from w.m.o and t.m.o DNS? Jan 17 13:58:50 you 've got two minutes before the mail is off Jan 17 13:59:02 Is maemo.org down ? Jan 17 13:59:46 unable to ping to it Jan 17 14:00:41 it seems everything is down again Jan 17 14:00:52 I'm in the process of sending an email to support Jan 17 14:01:02 please try garage.maemo.org Jan 17 14:01:06 I am downloading stardict Jan 17 14:01:13 RST38h: got a link for that? Jan 17 14:02:58 frals: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/17/nokia_outsources_it/ Jan 17 14:03:12 RST38h: ty Jan 17 14:04:59 qwazix: even garage is down Jan 17 14:44:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 Temporary mirror for repositories until migration issues are solved. Jan 17 14:44:18 It doesnt work Jan 17 14:52:26 kerio, I updated hald-addon-bme, compiled without debug support Jan 17 14:52:30 you can use it Jan 17 15:06:12 Looks like MO is up Jan 17 15:06:24 I was even able to logon to wiki ;) Jan 17 15:06:31 Hello :) I just got a polarcell battery. On the battery applet it shows only 1252mAh. What can I do to calibrate battery? Jan 17 15:32:57 oh, doc has removed hosts file IPs Jan 17 15:36:23 we finally got the major issues sorted! repository.maemo.org still down, but that has no impact on tmo migration. Reggie is about to initiate that right now. Jan 17 15:36:39 Latest news at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 Jan 17 15:48:42 Pali: you are now the man Jan 17 15:49:30