**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 18 02:59:59 2013 Jan 18 03:22:13 Kerio:what does the file do /etc/ffserver.conf Jan 18 03:26:01 it's a configuration file for ffserver Jan 18 04:15:13 So, I lost myself today Jan 18 04:16:43 But now you're found? Jan 18 04:16:52 Nah, sadly not Jan 18 04:16:57 Hey robbie!, i got the error for ya Jan 18 04:16:59 one sec Jan 18 04:17:47 When trying to load internal memory or the backup menu itself based on the newest version in the debs.. I cannot tell u cuz my battery is nuked, and currently awaiting a new one Jan 18 04:17:50 Heres the error Jan 18 04:18:16 Starting /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)... Jan 18 04:18:22 It just stays like that Jan 18 04:18:26 white screen Jan 18 04:18:29 with black text Jan 18 04:20:29 Is this fresh, install, what? Jan 18 04:20:33 yep Jan 18 04:20:34 pr 1.3 Jan 18 04:20:48 And you didn't install /anything/ else? Jan 18 04:20:48 with only the packages dependant from the install installed Jan 18 04:21:03 ill reverify when i get my new battery Jan 18 05:32:58 n900, mozilla EmbedLite, CPU locked @ 600, sunspider result - 6032 ms. I expected new JS engine to perform better, but well. Scrolling on mobile FB with SW render ~22fps, on TMO - ~23 fps Jan 18 05:34:53 I guess we can easily go as high as 30-40 fps with GTK Jan 18 05:34:57 romaxa: ^^^ Jan 18 05:36:33 freemangordon: is it release build? Jan 18 05:36:44 yes Jan 18 05:37:14 hmm something is wrong Jan 18 05:37:31 mozilla EmbedLite = browser? Jan 18 05:37:37 with -mthumb -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 Jan 18 05:38:01 romaxa: GL renderer is unusable, i.e. ~8 fps Jan 18 05:38:10 Sc0rpius: yes Jan 18 05:38:12 freemangordon: I was able to get on beagle board 58FPS scrolling Jan 18 05:38:28 easily Jan 18 05:38:30 nice, we definitely need a microb replacement Jan 18 05:39:06 romaxa: hmm, lemme recheck, it is possible there was something running on the background Jan 18 05:39:20 it's really sad that Opera and Fennec always crash on me, they are totally unusable Jan 18 05:39:35 Sc0rpius: move to -thumb Jan 18 05:39:42 I should Jan 18 05:40:00 in any case this would not be available on anything else Jan 18 05:40:09 and how do I do that anyway? just installing CSSU-thumb or I would have to do something else? Jan 18 05:40:17 just installing Jan 18 05:40:28 I should compile Yappari on thumb Jan 18 05:40:33 I wonder if it would work Jan 18 05:40:49 it should. Jan 18 05:41:16 and can I go from normal CSSU testing to CSSU-thumb? Jan 18 05:41:54 romaxa: nope, still the same. do you know if compositing is on or off with QML? Jan 18 05:42:01 Sc0rpius: yes Jan 18 05:42:50 but thumb increases performance? I know it reduces executable sizes Jan 18 05:42:53 but what about performance? Jan 18 05:43:10 ~cssu-thumb Jan 18 05:43:11 methinks cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Jan 18 05:43:40 Sc0rpius: you won't recognize microb :) Jan 18 05:44:04 some openssl algos are ~ 2 times faster Jan 18 05:44:10 etc. Jan 18 05:45:08 and that repo is alive Jan 18 05:45:13 the maemo.merlin1991.at Jan 18 05:45:29 yes Jan 18 05:45:48 but maybe it needs packages from the normal repo that I can't get since it's down.... Jan 18 05:46:05 if you have -testing, there should be no need Jan 18 05:46:37 yeah I have testing Jan 18 05:46:50 Sc0rpius: and nokia repos are up Jan 18 05:47:14 and -thumb does not depend on repository.maemo.or Jan 18 05:47:16 g Jan 18 05:47:33 ok let's see... Jan 18 05:47:34 freemangordon: do you know how to take opreport on n900? Jan 18 05:47:42 no Jan 18 05:47:53 though I have valgrind on the device Jan 18 05:48:01 latest upstream released Jan 18 05:48:21 (if it is of any help) Jan 18 05:49:48 romaxa: i'll reboot the device and re-test, sometimes GL drivers does not clean-up nicely Jan 18 05:51:01 romaxa: also keep in mind Qt is 4.7.4, not 4.8 :) Jan 18 05:51:16 ohh... you compiled the whole Qt again in thumb? Jan 18 05:51:35 Sc0rpius: half of the fremantle is re-compiled :D Jan 18 05:52:09 CSSU-testing (not thumb) uses 4.8? It doesn't, right? Jan 18 05:52:15 Sc0rpius: check the packages here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/ Jan 18 05:52:23 Sc0rpius: no, it is 4.7.4 Jan 18 05:52:49 ok even fennec is recompiled in thumb since it wants to upgrade it Jan 18 05:53:02 yes Jan 18 05:53:40 if I compile an application in thumb it would require CSSU-thumb? Jan 18 05:53:47 or not necessarily? Jan 18 05:54:09 yes, it MUST be run on cssu-thumb, because of the ARM erratas Jan 18 05:54:25 hmmm... Jan 18 05:54:47 but if the whole GUI is rendered faster in thumb I could go for both versions in the repositories (non-thumb and thumb) Jan 18 05:55:00 yes Jan 18 05:56:03 romaxa: still the same after the reboot, ~23 fps Jan 18 05:56:15 anyway I can't upgrade as I feared it said some packages are missing: libmaemosec-certman0, libmaemosec0, maemosec-certman-common-ca and maemosec-certman-tools Jan 18 05:56:31 enable -testing repo Jan 18 05:56:39 ok Jan 18 05:57:09 it's called Community SSU (devel) here, weird. Jan 18 05:57:11 ok trying again Jan 18 05:57:16 noooo Jan 18 05:57:20 not -devel Jan 18 05:57:32 not the same? Jan 18 05:57:36 Sc0rpius: don;t upgrade with cssu-devel enabled Jan 18 05:57:41 not the same Jan 18 05:57:45 ok Jan 18 05:57:56 I don't think I have the -testing repo then Jan 18 05:58:20 but where did you install cssu-T then from? Jan 18 05:58:59 =) Jan 18 05:59:13 Sc0rpius: go to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 , in install section there is a "here" link Jan 18 05:59:16 I have Community SSU and Community SSU (devel) and I *suppose* I installed it from one of those Jan 18 05:59:27 click on it Jan 18 05:59:40 and it will do everything needed Jan 18 05:59:41 that's what I did to get the -thumb repo Jan 18 06:00:12 Sc0rpius: I hope you use HAM, not FAM Jan 18 06:00:17 using HAM Jan 18 06:00:33 NFC then Jan 18 06:01:09 freemangordon: I guess just for reference test it make sense to write simple Gtk UI with url bar and couple of buttons, I can help to connect rendering properly Jan 18 06:01:35 freemangordon: and test with that... so we would have rendering pipeline very close to what microb has and compare Jan 18 06:02:05 freemangordon: also would be nice to have that example for reference tests in embedding/embedlite/tests/ Jan 18 06:02:07 romaxa: AFAIK compositing should be turned off with Qt to have good fullscreen rendering performance Jan 18 06:02:30 i.e. Maemo5NonCompositing or something Jan 18 06:02:44 freemangordon: do you need access to repository? Jan 18 06:02:58 romaxa: why not Jan 18 06:03:00 freemangordon: you can push gtk example in there Jan 18 06:03:15 freemangordon: do you have github account? Jan 18 06:03:19 yes Jan 18 06:03:28 same as nick? Jan 18 06:03:32 yes Jan 18 06:03:41 (but lemme double-check) Jan 18 06:04:28 romaxa: yep, the same as my nick Jan 18 06:04:41 btw, branch hosted now at https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central, so change ref when you pull next time Jan 18 06:05:11 ok Jan 18 06:05:26 done Jan 18 06:07:18 thanks, will create fremantle-qml and fremantle-gtk branches Jan 18 06:07:24 (soon :) ) Jan 18 06:07:46 freemangordon: no need to have branches, unless you change core Jan 18 06:07:51 romaxa: BTW any hint how to not rebuild the whole think for every small change I do? Jan 18 06:07:55 * Sc0rpius is still waiting for repos to update, or timeout Jan 18 06:08:13 freemangordon: just do it inside embedding/embedlite/tests/gtk Jan 18 06:08:24 hmm, ok Jan 18 06:09:10 freemangordon: make first simple gtk2 example which does work on pure gtk no hildon Jan 18 06:09:23 freemangordon: so it will work on desktop too Jan 18 06:09:43 romaxa: but I have some changes to allow it build with python 2.5, I want to push them. I'd prefer to push them in a branch, as I don;t know if those would not break the other builds Jan 18 06:10:05 romaxa: have in mind I am not exactly GTK guru :) :D Jan 18 06:10:05 freemangordon: then it make sense to create some special define if needed for fremnatle specific stuff Jan 18 06:10:30 freemangordon: does it work with python? Jan 18 06:10:44 2.5? just by version requirement change? Jan 18 06:10:48 even though Community SSU (testing) is enabled, the same packages fail (maemosec) Jan 18 06:11:00 romaxa: no, it needs a couple of .py files changed Jan 18 06:11:12 oh it says "failed to refresh" so it seems Community SSU (testing) is unreachable Jan 18 06:11:18 no wonder why: Jan 18 06:11:19 ooh, yes Jan 18 06:11:19 ok I enabled to correct repo, let's Jan 18 06:11:21 err Jan 18 06:11:36 community-testing is in repository.maemo.org Jan 18 06:11:38 bummer :( Jan 18 06:11:40 freemangordon: uhm hm... Jan 18 06:11:41 those are on maemo.org Jan 18 06:12:00 Sc0rpius: there is a mirror, lemme find it Jan 18 06:12:12 freemangordon: is it really hard to make latest python available in your fremantle sdk? Jan 18 06:12:28 Sc0rpius: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community-testing/ Jan 18 06:12:32 nice Jan 18 06:12:56 romaxa: no, but I don;t see the point wasting time now on that Jan 18 06:13:18 romaxa: and have in mind repos are down right now :) Jan 18 06:14:05 freemangordon: ok, I guess it make sense to do it this way... Jan 18 06:14:15 romaxa: BTW what is the problem to create a temporary branch, we can merge (or not) the changes later on Jan 18 06:14:18 yep Jan 18 06:14:56 I will do gtk in master, but fremantle changes in a branch Jan 18 06:15:17 romaxa: is libpng NEON-optimized? Jan 18 06:15:28 do you know :) ? Jan 18 06:15:46 freemangordon: I wonder how people usually work with github... fork repo and then push changes via pul requests into upstream, or create multiple branches in same repo and merge them into main branch Jan 18 06:15:58 former Jan 18 06:16:11 romaxa: NFC, I usually use gitorious Jan 18 06:17:09 freemangordon: I see /media/libpng arm neon stuff in there Jan 18 06:17:43 no such stuff here, maybe I should clobe it from the new repo Jan 18 06:17:46 *clone Jan 18 06:18:05 freemangordon: in gitorius I see people do clone + pull requests. Jan 18 06:18:22 romaxa: ok, i can do it that way either Jan 18 06:18:52 thoush I have NFC how to to a MR on github :D. though I guess i'll find the way Jan 18 06:18:57 *though Jan 18 06:19:12 freemangordon: I guess it make sense to do it that way... some stuff which is your temporary hack (like python) you can keep only in your clone, and merge rest into main repo Jan 18 06:19:23 yep Jan 18 06:19:23 freemangordon: as soon it ready Jan 18 06:19:32 agree Jan 18 06:19:42 ok, i'll clone it Jan 18 06:20:10 freemangordon: and when you got python2.7 in your sdk you can remove that change from your repo too Jan 18 06:20:11 well.... I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" from that mirror of community-testing Jan 18 06:20:14 the whole universe is against me Jan 18 06:20:23 romaxa: what branch? Jan 18 06:20:46 freemangordon: embedlite Jan 18 06:20:57 ok Jan 18 06:21:13 ok, forked Jan 18 06:21:18 Sc0rpius: try the mirror from: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 ; hash sum mismatch was fixed here Jan 18 06:21:58 interesting, let's see Jan 18 06:22:10 romaxa: still no neon in libpng Jan 18 06:22:22 https://github.com/freemangordon/mozilla-central/tree/embedlite/media/libpng Jan 18 06:22:29 errr Jan 18 06:23:36 freemangordon: https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/media/libpng/pngrutil.c#L3841 Jan 18 06:24:53 romaxa: png_read_filter_row_sub3_neon should be in .S file Jan 18 06:24:58 I fail to see it Jan 18 06:25:44 freemangordon: probably it is not enabled hmm Jan 18 06:26:17 yep Jan 18 06:26:45 freemangordon: that something that mozilla should do... eventually Jan 18 06:26:50 ok Jan 18 06:27:11 freemangordon: also I guess it makes sense to use issue tracker for embedlite things Jan 18 06:27:38 though it is nice to have it, it gives ~30% boost on decoding for libpng 1.2.7 Jan 18 06:28:02 though I can just use --with-system-png Jan 18 06:28:07 :D Jan 18 06:29:04 and change the required version number Jan 18 06:29:43 Sc0rpius: how it is going? Jan 18 06:30:08 I'm still waiting for repo to update (the skeiron.org one) Jan 18 06:33:24 Hash Sum mismatch for skeiron.org as well. Jan 18 06:33:32 at least in the community-testing branch Jan 18 06:34:01 Sc0rpius: ok we'll see why is it so... We thought we had fixed it... Jan 18 06:35:02 I will install manually the packages in the meantime Jan 18 06:35:24 :) Jan 18 06:37:53 ah it seems like extras was fixed but not community-testing Jan 18 06:38:09 guess we have to roll-back to 26/12 backup instead :S Jan 18 06:39:28 ? Jan 18 06:39:37 what about newer packages? Jan 18 06:40:12 done with the manual installation Jan 18 06:40:21 now let's see if it want to install CSSU-thumb now Jan 18 06:40:28 freemangordon: changing numbers not always good idea... more secure to compile locally system png with required version number Jan 18 06:40:33 freemangordon: are there packages after 26/12? I thought no packages were updated? Jan 18 06:40:44 due to auto-builder being down Jan 18 06:40:52 thedead1440: this is CSSU repo ;) Jan 18 06:41:01 no autobuilder shit involved Jan 18 06:41:06 ah then merlin1991 has to fix it first Jan 18 06:41:23 romaxa: usually yes, asp if you have 1GB of RAM... which we on n900 don;t have ;) Jan 18 06:41:30 *esp Jan 18 06:41:54 ok now it is installing. Jan 18 06:42:10 ...or at least downloading it... Jan 18 06:42:29 Sc0rpius: did you make a backup? :D:D:D Jan 18 06:42:39 nah Jan 18 06:42:47 recovery is fun Jan 18 06:42:54 well, pray then :D Jan 18 06:43:05 freemangordon: repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ is not merlin's repo right? So then we just have to live with the hash sum mismatch and when repo.maemo.org comes back up the hash sums have to be matched and signed Jan 18 06:43:21 thedead1440: yep Jan 18 06:43:49 at least I could grab the packages though :) Jan 18 06:44:00 yup packages can be grabbed Jan 18 06:44:29 the hash sum mismatch is a result of repo.maemo.org being screwed not the mirrors hence you see merlin and skeiron both giving the mismatch error Jan 18 06:47:24 freemangordon: why not to update system png to the latest one? Jan 18 06:48:01 romaxa: fremantle is on 1.2, I won;t risk breaking ABI juist for the fun of it Jan 18 06:48:36 and fremantle (cssu) is on latest (almost) libpng (1.2.49) Jan 18 06:49:12 and for some reason mozilla wants 1.5 Jan 18 06:50:34 what Maemo needs urgently is to port and update Qt to 5 Jan 18 06:50:42 oh, at least libjpeg is with NEON patches Jan 18 06:51:03 Sc0rpius: ORLY? what exactly application wants that? Jan 18 06:51:13 :( Jan 18 06:51:17 you don't like Qt 5? Jan 18 06:51:36 I've never seent it so I neither like nor dislike it :D Jan 18 06:52:00 it was released less than a month ago :P Jan 18 06:52:01 just wondering why is the rush to change API avery 3 months Jan 18 06:52:12 Qt is very buggy Jan 18 06:52:22 Qt Contacts for example crash all the time Jan 18 06:52:31 Sc0rpius: try the one in CSSU first Jan 18 06:53:08 I won;t insist it is bug-free, but it is miles ahead of stock PR 1.3 Jan 18 06:53:42 by the way Jan 18 06:53:55 you said you replaced the whole Qt, I mean, you compiled Qt in thumb Jan 18 06:54:00 yes Jan 18 06:54:11 along with libqml Jan 18 06:54:16 that means a Qt application not compiled in thumb would still render faster? Jan 18 06:54:21 yes Jan 18 06:54:28 (at least in theory) Jan 18 06:54:54 though I didn't benchmark Jan 18 06:55:11 if it "feels" faster is enough for me :) Jan 18 06:55:14 Sc0rpius: the same for GTK, it is thumb-compiled too Jan 18 06:55:57 Sc0rpius: though it is not clear to me if it is because of thumb ISA or gcc 4.7.2 Jan 18 07:03:52 I see Jan 18 07:03:56 it's still downloading Jan 18 07:04:02 those mirror repos are slow!! Jan 18 07:04:06 :P Jan 18 07:04:25 hmm, it is big, some 50 MB iirc Jan 18 07:04:36 45.9 Jan 18 07:04:40 Sc0rpius: Are they working fine for you? Jan 18 07:04:47 who? Jan 18 07:04:48 skeiron.org right? Jan 18 07:04:54 yeah Jan 18 07:05:07 well I grabbed some packages from there Jan 18 07:05:20 but now I'm using community-ssu-thumb which is different Jan 18 07:05:23 I get weird hash mismatch errors for some specific packages. Jan 18 07:05:28 Yeah Jan 18 07:05:45 yeah there are some hash mismatch errors in some branches Jan 18 07:05:58 and I grabbed the packages manually 'cos of that Jan 18 07:07:19 Even in 'apt-get update', the errors existed but they are fixed now. It updates sucessfully. Jan 18 07:07:36 Thanks for the info. I will contact brkn if I find him here Jan 18 07:08:59 now it's stuck in "Downloading 112 kB" Jan 18 07:09:12 I wonder what it is Jan 18 07:09:24 Happens. I also dled some packages manually for batterypatch ^ Jan 18 07:09:40 I guess another package from community-testing Jan 18 07:09:49 that would be terrible Jan 18 07:10:04 Ex-Opesa: WHAAT? you've installed batterysuckpatch on your device? :( Jan 18 07:10:16 ~speedpatch Jan 18 07:10:17 [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Jan 18 07:10:52 ~batterypatch Jan 18 07:10:52 i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Jan 18 07:11:23 freemangordon: Lol! I don't know...I am using it for quite sometime. First you all disagree with fapman and now batterypatch. Geez! Jan 18 07:11:33 this definitely won't install if the community-testing repo doesn't work. Jan 18 07:11:53 ooh, fapman is a breeze compared to ..patches tornado Jan 18 07:12:07 freemangordon: Thanks for informing me. I might uninstall it ^ Jan 18 07:12:22 Ex-Opesa: FAM "might" break things Jan 18 07:12:36 and it failed. Jan 18 07:12:36 for "patches" you have the breakage granted Jan 18 07:12:48 Sc0rpius: check in the log Jan 18 07:12:55 Yeah. Jan 18 07:12:59 Anyway. I will leave to shower and then work. Thank everyone! Jan 18 07:13:15 where's the log Jan 18 07:13:22 in the menu? Jan 18 07:13:23 oh inside the app Jan 18 07:13:28 I was looking at /var/log :( Jan 18 07:13:37 hehe Jan 18 07:14:12 failed to fetch libidn11_0.6.5-1_armel.deb Jan 18 07:14:17 from extras-testing Jan 18 07:14:26 extras-testing?!? Jan 18 07:14:27 that's crazy Jan 18 07:14:49 hmm, wait to see what apt-cache knows about that Jan 18 07:15:31 I wonder why it needs that Jan 18 07:16:29 Installed: 0.6.5-1 Jan 18 07:16:47 NFC, but thanks for reporting Jan 18 07:16:59 I guess it is libcurl that wants that Jan 18 07:17:09 Sc0rpius: install it by hand Jan 18 07:17:12 but I also have installed it Jan 18 07:17:17 good Jan 18 07:17:18 no, it says "rc" Jan 18 07:17:28 rc? Jan 18 07:17:36 root:/var/log# dpkg -l | grep libidn Jan 18 07:17:37 rc libidn11 0.6.5-1 GNU libidn library, implementation of IETF I Jan 18 07:17:45 I'll install it manually Jan 18 07:17:52 ok Jan 18 07:20:34 ok trying again Jan 18 07:21:33 it's updating Jan 18 07:21:38 it closed everything even my SSH sessions Jan 18 07:21:44 nice Jan 18 07:21:56 you should put that libidn11 in the community-testing repo Jan 18 07:22:14 for sure. and we need to check who needs it Jan 18 07:22:27 merlin1991: ^^^ Jan 18 07:29:48 well it seems it finished, and rebooted Jan 18 07:30:19 all my icons are there Jan 18 07:30:39 nice Jan 18 07:32:21 but Yappari crashes Jan 18 07:32:42 baad Jan 18 07:32:57 trying again Jan 18 07:33:04 try something else Jan 18 07:33:04 this time it worked Jan 18 07:33:24 hmm, we should report that to the develper :P Jan 18 07:33:31 hhehehehe Jan 18 07:37:01 Sc0rpius: try microb Jan 18 07:37:07 to see the difference Jan 18 07:37:55 it scrolls faster Jan 18 07:38:08 :nod: Jan 18 07:38:43 and the "milimetered page" doesn't appear :) Jan 18 07:38:51 :D Jan 18 07:39:00 yep, renders like mad :D Jan 18 07:39:04 as a wise man once said, ^ Jan 18 07:39:07 you know stupid microb shows a milimitered page when it is rendering Jan 18 07:39:08 ;) Jan 18 07:39:08 dammit fmg Jan 18 07:39:12 I don't see it now Jan 18 07:39:28 Sc0rpius: well, it still does, if you have a very complicated page Jan 18 07:39:35 yeah Jan 18 07:39:41 too bad Facebook still tells me that I should upgrade my browser Jan 18 07:39:55 Sc0rpius: just ignore that Jan 18 07:40:12 anyway, HAM will not work properly with mirrors Jan 18 07:41:12 Sc0rpius: actually FB is usable on -thumb Jan 18 07:41:15 TwimGo seems smoother as well Jan 18 07:41:18 because of the fscking domain thing Jan 18 07:41:49 (desktop site that is) Jan 18 07:41:51 Sc0rpius: half of fremantle has been recompiled with a smaller ISA and with a much better compiler Jan 18 07:42:04 nice Jan 18 07:42:17 the whole thing is faster Jan 18 07:42:42 what about something more demanding, like YouTube Jan 18 07:42:50 let's see youtube on microb Jan 18 07:42:51 flash player still sucks Jan 18 07:43:04 just use cutetube Jan 18 07:43:09 Sc0rpius: you may want to shortens your transitions a bit, then you'll see how h-d performs Jan 18 07:43:39 cutetube doesn't use flash? Jan 18 07:43:47 no, afaik Jan 18 07:43:48 it uses mafw Jan 18 07:44:09 hell, if you want, it opens things in Media Player Jan 18 07:44:49 hmm, seems I was able to force mozilla to build with system png :D Jan 18 07:44:54 you can also install a microb extension to get the link to the .mp4, to watch in mediaplayer Jan 18 07:46:10 that's what iPhones/iPad do I guess Jan 18 07:46:13 since they don't have flash Jan 18 07:46:31 no, apple reencodes flash Jan 18 07:46:33 afaik Jan 18 07:57:14 hmm but now microb doesn't rotate :( Jan 18 07:57:20 even though the whole phone does Jan 18 07:57:47 it disabled the option inside microb! Jan 18 07:57:48 weird. Jan 18 07:57:51 it rotates now. Jan 18 08:30:25 freemangordon: nah, youtube (re)encodes for the ithings Jan 18 08:43:00 chem|st: I got 2 PM on tmo(!) like "error: can't post to any topic". Isn't r/o meant to also apply for PM? Jan 18 08:49:29 maybe the sending operation is performed before writing the message in the DB Jan 18 08:49:55 have you received the email or it's actually stored in you tmo account? Jan 18 09:10:10 both Jan 18 09:10:24 and I can thank again Jan 18 09:11:06 I may not quote/answer, but the button is there again and I get *very* weird msg about my privileges not sufficient Jan 18 09:12:35 also I recommend to change a small but significant detail in design of new tmo server GUI, so you can instantly distinguish both, on every page Jan 18 09:13:09 poor example: change "maemo.org" headline to "new maemo.org" Jan 18 09:13:26 or maemo.orgV2 Jan 18 09:14:42 or simply change the color or font Jan 18 09:16:12 how about changing the white links "INTRO DOWNLOADS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEWS TALK" to orange? Jan 18 09:16:54 or the maemo.org logo has " - Independent" next to it? Jan 18 09:17:23 it's not yet ;-) Jan 18 09:17:30 moo thedead1440 Jan 18 09:17:41 boo DocScrutinizer05 :p Jan 18 09:18:09 DocScrutinizer05: only posting is disabled afaik Jan 18 09:19:27 chem|st: immediately after I noticed to Reggie in query that he failed to block editing for classic-light theme for me at least, he managed to remove edit and post and thanks buttons from everything Jan 18 09:19:47 well Jan 18 09:20:07 chem|st we also need to put the donation logo Jan 18 09:20:18 instead of the Council election for example Jan 18 09:20:53 any QML guru here? Jan 18 09:21:04 I'm suffering this nasty bug https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-26243 Jan 18 09:21:20 and this new msg about my privileges when I click "answer": >> joerg_rw, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?...<< Jan 18 09:21:49 DocScrutinizer05: i've the same thing; its universal Jan 18 09:22:01 but I have always been able to Thank a post Jan 18 09:22:03 other users are severely pissed of "beeing bounced as a noob" Jan 18 09:22:13 using QML Loader to load an element and then reloading with a null source does not free the memory, it even consumes more resources Jan 18 09:23:58 ivgalvez: DocScrutinizer05 : sry dudes but reggie did not give away any flowers for old tmo Jan 18 09:24:10 still no indication whatsoever about the r/o state in classic-light theme Jan 18 09:24:38 all mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-01-17.log.html Jan 18 09:25:01 hmm Jan 18 09:25:03 ? Jan 18 09:25:08 DocScrutinizer05: I told him to keep you able to edit posts... so I am not wondering about that! Jan 18 09:25:10 had council received khm resume Jan 18 09:25:30 chem|st: I'm not Jan 18 09:25:37 or am I? Jan 18 09:25:55 no, no edit button Jan 18 09:26:00 what happens when you hit edit on the "move" post Jan 18 09:26:19 and you say it is theme dependant?! Jan 18 09:26:36 dunno, I'm not constantly switching themes Jan 18 09:27:09 I however *never* had a useful thanks button on tmo theme Jan 18 09:27:26 (konqueror) Jan 18 09:28:16 so I can't say what's unusual in tmo theme right now, since I didn't use it for ~3 years now Jan 18 09:29:09 I switched to tmo theme when I noticed I could edit and post despite Reggie said it's blocked now Jan 18 09:29:55 but I guess same time Reggie changed stuff regarding that, so I can't even tell how tmo theme looked at that time Jan 18 09:31:58 someone messed up the new server or is it just me not getting an index.php when entering the ip? Jan 18 09:54:05 hmm? Jan 18 09:54:15 chem|st: what index.php? Jan 18 09:54:39 DocScrutinizer05: browsing to the new servers ip gives me a _blank_ white page Jan 18 09:54:58 adding /index.php gives me a kind of broken theme tmo Jan 18 09:55:17 I was wondering if my caches are messed up or if it is the server Jan 18 09:55:20 I never did that ;-) Jan 18 09:55:38 that was working for me after the first install and testing Jan 18 09:55:50 http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314433#post1314433 -> "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" Jan 18 09:56:20 sounds like virtual hosting Jan 18 09:56:22 same of course for any other sub-page Jan 18 09:57:18 I haven't tested yet if maybe somebody already implemented my suggested dual vhost solution Jan 18 09:57:39 we might need it since Nokia is slow with DNS changes, and they are getting even slower Jan 18 09:57:42 not faster Jan 18 09:58:14 DocScrutinizer05: what do you want to tell? that the post numbers changed? Jan 18 09:58:30 eh? no Jan 18 09:58:55 what then? when I open your showthread link I get to some page about screenbrightness Jan 18 09:59:25 I want to tell you about this "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" message I get regardless of which page on this new IP I call up Jan 18 09:59:38 what happens for you with 188.117.59.209 only ? Jan 18 10:00:03 DocScrutinizer05: oh that I do not get Jan 18 10:00:13 zilch Jan 18 10:00:26 I get a blank page on bare ip Jan 18 10:00:42 not even that actually, it's a non-rendering page Jan 18 10:00:53 "waiting for reply" Jan 18 10:00:57 my admin account looks like having its balls ripped off... Jan 18 10:01:26 non-rendering page? Jan 18 10:01:46 you got etc7hosts hack? Jan 18 10:01:57 not at work Jan 18 10:02:31 http://188.117.59.209/index.php gives me same msg Jan 18 10:02:42 browser cache? Jan 18 10:03:05 oh maybe it is because of my admin cookie Jan 18 10:03:19 vhost means the httpd server actually looks at the http HOST argument Jan 18 10:03:24 not sure if this is the case Jan 18 10:03:32 sending an IP address means no HOST Jan 18 10:03:57 different HOST, on the same ip == vhost Jan 18 10:03:59 jon_y: it worked for ip so starting setup was without vhosts Jan 18 10:04:16 maybe the css/image resource needed it? Jan 18 10:04:20 jon_y: and it would have been me or reggie setting that up... Jan 18 10:04:32 it was working without! Jan 18 10:04:42 ok Jan 18 10:04:57 now it is not Jan 18 10:05:11 check server logs? Jan 18 10:05:31 maybe someone asked reggie to setup that senseless starting page telling to alter hosts file -_- Jan 18 10:06:01 no vhosts set up yet, same for hosts-patch and IP, I get blank page for root page, message for everything else Jan 18 10:06:31 do you have a login button? or are you logged in? Jan 18 10:06:41 I am logged in Jan 18 10:06:46 ok Jan 18 10:07:01 honestly this sucks Jan 18 10:07:17 I do not have any info from reggie yet Jan 18 10:07:31 the info from Reggie is 2i'm done" Jan 18 10:07:43 hmm Jan 18 10:07:59 when was that (date UTC) Jan 18 10:09:04 [2013-01-17 06:26:18] all done Jan 18 10:09:05 [2013-01-17 06:30:12] ooh Jan 18 10:09:26 that's CET Jan 18 10:09:41 did anyone check if it was working properly? Jan 18 10:10:25 it worked exactly like it does right now, he blocked the new server with msg "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" Jan 18 10:10:40 fsck $home just went down... Jan 18 10:10:45 old server been supposedly put into r/o mode Jan 18 10:10:46 for what reason? Jan 18 10:11:07 hm? Jan 18 10:11:18 that is "NOT WORKING" Jan 18 10:12:01 working is you type the ip in your browser and get exact same page as with talk.maemo.org but without writelock and message telling you that Jan 18 10:12:16 *sigh* I think I explained to whole chan incl you in loving verbosity why Reggie thinks it's not a good idea to have spiders index the new IP Jan 18 10:12:38 you bitched about my stupid idea how to fix it Jan 18 10:12:42 fucking what?! Jan 18 10:13:59 cannot remember any spider indexing fuckup, and I bitched about vhosts setup for telling people how to alter their hosts file Jan 18 10:14:09 [2013-01-17 13:08:54] chem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files Jan 18 10:14:27 [2013-01-17 13:09:54] (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file) Jan 18 10:14:44 yeah fucking bullshit Jan 18 10:14:55 RTFchanlog Jan 18 10:14:59 the IP resolves in new TMO no need to set anything up! Jan 18 10:14:59 >:-( Jan 18 10:15:30 doing what you tell would be the fuckup! Jan 18 10:15:47 I *several times* elaborated on why Reggie doesn't want spiders to index that new IP, others like fmg confirmed Jan 18 10:15:50 that way you could not resolve to new tmo with the ip ever Jan 18 10:16:14 RTFchanlog!! Jan 18 10:16:20 reggie could just have set a fwd Jan 18 10:16:29 DocScrutinizer05: sry you are out! Jan 18 10:17:24 dude, you really are not very helpful lately, what's the problem? Jan 18 10:17:53 you having no clue about vhost and /etc/hosts and stuff Jan 18 10:17:59 aha Jan 18 10:18:11 short explanation Jan 18 10:18:34 browsing to the ip without altered hosts file on your computer was showing new tmo Jan 18 10:18:51 until Reggie blocked it Jan 18 10:19:14 does it work with altered hosts file? Jan 18 10:19:31 and I elaborated on loving verbosity to make you weep why he did. FMG confirmed his rationale Jan 18 10:19:52 oh, who got no clue about vhosts now? Jan 18 10:20:41 ? Jan 18 10:21:11 it does NOT work with altered hosts file since nobody implemented proper vhost on new tmo yet Jan 18 10:21:41 AS IT IS NOT NEEDED! DO I NEED TO BE MENTAL NOW? Jan 18 10:21:42 and I stated it does not work with altered hosts file just 15 min ago, for your convenience Jan 18 10:21:56 so to calm again Jan 18 10:21:56 sorry, you refuse to get it Jan 18 10:22:05 the server is setup without vhosts Jan 18 10:22:15 obviously Jan 18 10:22:18 so what? Jan 18 10:22:28 we all can see this Jan 18 10:22:38 and I confirmed it for your convenience Jan 18 10:22:42 15min ago Jan 18 10:22:44 you can write ilovebigbuttsandicannotlie.org in your hosts file pointing to new server with same result! Jan 18 10:22:54 so what? Jan 18 10:22:57 we all can see this Jan 18 10:23:12 you do not need vhosts to have tmo working Jan 18 10:23:38 we need it to block spiders but allow people with altered hosts file to access Jan 18 10:23:41 you do not need vhosts to have your resolving tmo as new server be working Jan 18 10:23:56 who cares about spiders? Jan 18 10:24:04 REGGIE!!! Jan 18 10:24:08 you're out! Jan 18 10:24:22 it was a rethorical question^^ Jan 18 10:24:46 and FMG confirmed his rationale Jan 18 10:24:52 someone messed up the idea of a clean move Jan 18 10:24:54 others as well Jan 18 10:25:21 yes, nokia did, by not changing the DNS Jan 18 10:25:25 *sigh* Jan 18 10:25:27 you move old - > new and let old point to new until dns change proceeded Jan 18 10:25:30 get a coffee, dude Jan 18 10:25:50 I have a massive head today Jan 18 10:25:56 good idea Jan 18 10:26:28 I am pissed again... not at you... Jan 18 10:26:40 we all are Jan 18 10:26:53 next time I say I am up for it... please shoot me Jan 18 10:27:58 for the record, gathered info about the vhosts thingie because everybody asks http://pastie.org/5715822 Jan 18 10:29:06 qwazix: council ML and general ML back to normal \o/ Jan 18 10:29:19 yay! Jan 18 10:29:30 I was able to sort it with ferenc and mashiara, many thanks to both Jan 18 10:30:42 qwazix: nvm... Jan 18 10:32:11 so nokia gave reggie tmo DNS auth with the cname but reggie does not want to move itt? Jan 18 10:32:54 or alike Jan 18 10:33:02 I am a dns noob Jan 18 10:33:04 qwazix: missed to thank X-Fade Jan 18 10:33:09 sorry Jan 18 10:33:20 although I managed two dns servers... Jan 18 10:33:55 chem|st: yep, since Reggie wants to keep his part of the ITT forum, he doesn't want to redirect it to new IP Jan 18 10:34:11 DocScrutinizer05, pls reply to ML thanking xfade just to check if I can receive normally Jan 18 10:34:41 I'm not completely happy with this rationale but it's Reggie's DNS after all, we have no arguments against it Jan 18 10:35:09 he could at least fwd the tmo requests to new ip Jan 18 10:35:33 chem|st: rewrite rule? Jan 18 10:35:41 I guess he doesn't like to do this since it's work to implement Jan 18 10:36:18 brkn: rewrite? Jan 18 10:36:35 and he doesn't want new IP accessible with same content like old ITT/tmo URL, since google page rank gets infraction points for that Jan 18 10:37:15 that's when my plan to block spiders on IP but allow users with patched hosts file access to new vhost comes in Jan 18 10:38:08 in my book Reggie knows his business Jan 18 10:38:21 so I didn't feel like arguing with him Jan 18 10:39:02 brkn: redirection... I get it Jan 18 10:39:07 so yes Jan 18 10:39:21 maybe i did not fully understand the situation Jan 18 10:39:53 just trying to figure out some painless and quick options Jan 18 10:40:03 for now we can't redirect since we have no way to block spiders from accessing new URL/IP we would redirect to Jan 18 10:40:05 brkn: the redirection is painless Jan 18 10:40:07 qwazix: you still the rootstrap files? Jan 18 10:40:16 DocScrutinizer05: BS Jan 18 10:40:21 you have Doc Jan 18 10:40:45 please discuss that with Reggie Jan 18 10:41:01 I tried and lost that argument Jan 18 10:41:04 if you fwd tmo only and keep itt hitting on old server they get separated Jan 18 10:41:14 I know Jan 18 10:41:45 that way itt google will have old server and tmo google will have new... Jan 18 10:41:52 honestly, don't bash me, I'm just the coordinator and the man with the hat on when you can't find a common sense Jan 18 10:42:24 I won't get involved in that any further until you tried to find a common sense among you Jan 18 10:42:40 "you" including reggie Jan 18 10:43:17 I'll just eventually propagate the complete story to community, telling who blocked what Jan 18 10:43:59 I suggested solutions, i tried to convince people for the better, I'm pissed now Jan 18 10:52:02 brkn, yes Jan 18 10:52:07 qwazix: sorry, sending mail hung Jan 18 10:52:12 my fault Jan 18 10:52:30 DocScrutinizer05, np Jan 18 10:53:08 sent Jan 18 10:53:09 by the way we could just enable tmo and block spiders with robots.txt until move Jan 18 10:53:12 thx Jan 18 10:53:48 received correctly Jan 18 10:53:50 I think I suggested that to Reggie, but honestly, I'm out of the loop now Jan 18 10:54:10 I don't feel like taking more bashing regarding that Jan 18 10:54:19 I don't blame you Jan 18 10:55:02 not you, but other calling me names here Jan 18 10:56:32 * DocScrutinizer05 counts IRC chan tabs and ends at 42 Jan 18 10:57:03 means, there's other stuff i'm busy with, to enable maemo org future for you Jan 18 10:57:42 and this stuff exceeded the 2h/week I initially allocated to it by factor 50 now Jan 18 10:58:56 so I really don't need trolling (happy new year... you know who i'm talking about) or bitching or teachering about what's vhost and what's current state of that in tmo Jan 18 10:59:41 I might sometimes sound like a fool, but no i'm not exactly one Jan 18 11:00:51 DocScrutinizer05: take this: http://mychinaconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/take-a-chill-pill.jpg Jan 18 11:01:33 DocScrutinizer05: sorry... I know being stressed is not an excuse Jan 18 11:06:57 BMO alive Jan 18 11:07:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/ Jan 18 11:08:07 lists, bugs... what else, except repository? Jan 18 11:08:34 and tmo >:-( Jan 18 11:09:40 c'mon folks, give me input! what's missing? anything excetp repository and tmo that doesn't work as expected? Jan 18 11:10:38 repo and tmo are the only ones DocScrutinizer05 Jan 18 11:10:46 great! Jan 18 11:35:54 is u-boot entry ok www.pastebin.com/Ezcy45J2 Jan 18 11:45:39 lunde, why not? Jan 18 11:46:33 thanks pali Jan 18 11:48:16 DocScrutinizer05, autobuilder still not working Jan 18 11:48:28 dput/scp for drop.maemo.org not working Jan 18 11:48:39 Pali: thanks, i'll communicate it to Nemein Jan 18 11:49:25 DocScrutinizer05, now after minute I connected to drop.maemo.org Jan 18 11:49:31 but with error message: scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory Jan 18 11:49:49 seems like incoming queue for autobuilder is not configured Jan 18 11:55:27 FYI: we tried to re-enable repository.maemo.org and got instant breakdown of whole rack again, causing downtime of several minutes on whole *.maemo.org Jan 18 11:56:03 inidentified bottleneck somewhere in uplink Jan 18 11:56:13 Unidentified* Jan 18 12:03:41 DocScrutinizer05, another problem. I cannot login with my username & password on maemo.org Jan 18 12:03:45 Username or password was invalid. Jan 18 12:03:47 Pali: x-fade got informed about it and should check what's wrong with autobuilder/drop Jan 18 12:04:01 oooh Jan 18 12:04:02 ok Jan 18 12:04:14 DocScrutinizer05, try it too Jan 18 12:04:26 I'm logged in, via cookie Jan 18 12:04:37 on maemo.org? Jan 18 12:04:42 err no, i'm not Jan 18 12:04:49 that never worked Jan 18 12:04:54 I already reported bug Jan 18 12:07:16 DocScrutinizer05: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623 Jan 18 12:07:22 if you want to i can host repository.maemo.org for time being if someone can arrange to get CNAMEs set up Jan 18 12:07:26 or As Jan 18 12:07:35 and even AAAAs Jan 18 12:07:49 I get "socket operation timed out" on https://maemo.org Jan 18 12:08:32 jacekowski: thanks, but yeah IF we could access DNS we already ahd a few problems less Jan 18 12:08:40 DocScrutinizer05, try again or tell your browser to use higher timeout Jan 18 12:09:44 DocScrutinizer05, any ETA for static? Jan 18 12:11:23 static should work Jan 18 12:11:51 my timeout is already 10s Jan 18 12:12:10 and 90s after connection established Jan 18 12:13:09 DocScrutinizer05: I wonder why do I get "W: Failed to fetch http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch. E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." when I do apt-get update. Jan 18 12:13:13 YAY, it connected in 9th second Jan 18 12:13:19 DocScrutinizer05: same thing with community-testing. Jan 18 12:13:43 dimir: please ask brkn or thedead1440 Jan 18 12:13:52 dimir: get the packages you require manually; this has to be lived with till repo.maemo.org comes back up Jan 18 12:13:54 Ah, OK. Jan 18 12:14:09 thedead1440: ye but I can't install wget. :-D Jan 18 12:14:35 Pali: static seems borked for https access Jan 18 12:15:09 or sometimes Jan 18 12:15:36 dimir: skeiron.org/repo is accessible; browse it and get what you want; you can disable the failed repos and try too... http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb Jan 18 12:16:07 thedead1440: OK, will try thanks. Jan 18 12:19:03 DocScrutinizer05, static sill not working, no background on maemo.org Jan 18 12:21:04 Pali: I can't log in to maemo.org. your https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623 is about auto-logout which might be related to session cookies or whatever Jan 18 12:21:11 04Bug 12623: Do not auto log out on maemo.org midgard Jan 18 12:21:47 yay, even povbot found bugs.maemo.org working for it again Jan 18 12:22:19 static seems to work sometimes Jan 18 12:22:42 occasionally I don't even get CSS Jan 18 12:23:00 DocScrutinizer05 and this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12284 Jan 18 12:23:10 04Bug 12284: kernel-power in maemo.org package interface Jan 18 12:23:27 fine, it's a bug, so we won't look into it right now Jan 18 12:23:50 this is about migration right ATM, nothing else Jan 18 12:24:04 ok Jan 18 12:25:02 but you know that kernel-power is blocker for more than year! Jan 18 12:26:40 yes Jan 18 12:26:57 you won't bother if we can't get repo to life again Jan 18 12:27:32 honestly I couldn't care less right now about any year old blocker Jan 18 12:27:35 sorry Jan 18 12:30:09 dimir: unfortunately my hands asre tied with that hash sums error Jan 18 12:30:25 maybe if my day had 96 hours, and Nemein was a company that could throw 50 guys on this task Jan 18 12:49:23 brkn: no problem, I'm downloading stuff manually. thanks. :-) Jan 18 12:52:13 dimir: ok Jan 18 13:14:15 http://maemotalk.com/ wtf Jan 18 13:15:40 fresh Jan 18 13:17:58 DocScrutinizer05, what? Jan 18 13:18:19 indeed what Jan 18 13:18:26 7me checking DNS Jan 18 13:19:13 host -a internettablettalk.com has no A nor CNAME Jan 18 13:19:32 brkn: do you know if there is a temp mirror for extras-devel? Jan 18 13:20:35 Pali: what was that bug report? Jan 18 13:20:53 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/ Jan 18 13:21:15 freemangordon, kernel power v51 is not in package interface Jan 18 13:21:20 Pali: i mean, the package is in -testing, or I miss something Jan 18 13:21:32 not all packages Jan 18 13:21:33 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/ Jan 18 13:21:48 i don't know whether they have hash sum problems as well Jan 18 13:21:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/ Jan 18 13:21:58 51r1 is not here ^^^ Jan 18 13:22:25 DocScrutinizer05, have maemo servers IPV6? Jan 18 13:22:36 Pali: I see Jan 18 13:23:11 Pali: host -a wiki.maemo.org Jan 18 13:24:06 DocScrutinizer05, I see that there is no AAAA record, but I'm asking if servers has ipv6... Jan 18 13:24:10 DocScrutinizer05, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts is down Jan 18 13:24:13 No longer needed, I take it? Jan 18 13:24:23 exactly Jan 18 13:24:27 obsolete Jan 18 13:24:41 the similarly named file there have still all the info Jan 18 13:25:54 GeneralAntilles: al the DNS changes are done, and we are back to normal, except for autobuilder, tmo and repo, which all are not fixable via etc/hosts hack Jan 18 13:26:21 well tmo was, if Reggie and chem|st could agree on one of the possible solutions Jan 18 13:27:15 right now both old *and* new tmo are in r/o mode Jan 18 13:28:13 we either could forward from old to new tmo, or we could completely block old tmo and put a boilerplate there telling users to hack their etc/hosts Jan 18 13:28:18 DocScrutinizer05, why reggie not updating his DNS A record to point to new TMO server? Jan 18 13:28:43 nokia still has CNAME to ITT Jan 18 13:28:46 Pali: I guess because of http://internettablettalk.com Jan 18 13:29:22 talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. Jan 18 13:29:22 phew maemo.org loads superslow Jan 18 13:29:23 forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 74.86.202.247 Jan 18 13:29:52 why not add new forums.internettablettalk.com. IN A new_ip? Jan 18 13:30:04 honestly I dunno Jan 18 13:30:06 this can fix problem until nokia update TMO A record ^^^ Jan 18 13:30:47 DocScrutinizer05, can you ask reggie? Jan 18 13:30:58 No F*ing Clue Jan 18 13:31:09 I gave up on it Jan 18 13:32:20 internettablettalk.com. 85850 IN NS ns1.reggiesuplido.com. Jan 18 13:32:28 reggie has own NS Jan 18 13:32:32 yes, i'm aware of all that Jan 18 13:32:41 so he could update it without problem Jan 18 13:33:05 I guess Reggie is aware too, though i'm not completely sure about that Jan 18 13:33:51 Pali: there's a point in every discussion when you have to realize you better stop. i reached that point Jan 18 13:34:15 It's up to Reggie and chem|st now Jan 18 13:34:53 anything about ns1.reggiesuplido.com is not my call anyway Jan 18 13:35:17 up to reggie... I have no access Jan 18 13:35:35 I am trying to find what he did to the server to be that way Jan 18 13:35:59 I suggest you ask him Jan 18 13:36:16 mailed him already Jan 18 13:36:59 chem|st, it is problem to update A record of talk.maemo.org. ? Jan 18 13:37:39 *.maemo.org is Nokia SOA Jan 18 13:38:50 Nokia recently set free about 1000 internet admin employees I heard Jan 18 13:39:25 up to anybodies guess how long they will need to change talk.maemo.org DNS Jan 18 13:39:30 hoo :( Jan 18 13:40:43 DocScrutinizer05, and drop.maemo.org? any ETA when it will be fixed? Jan 18 13:41:00 it's been noticed to X-Fade Jan 18 13:44:37 ping romaxa Jan 18 13:47:17 Pali: I have no clue, I do not have access to any of reggie's Jan 18 13:51:22 I swear Android is the biggest unreliable piece of shit ever made Jan 18 13:52:34 hehe Jan 18 13:52:39 MohammadAG: care to elaborate? Jan 18 13:53:01 merlin1991, I have an SGS3 Jan 18 13:53:10 got it in September, and sold the iPhone Jan 18 13:53:22 today, it felt like burning my day Jan 18 13:53:24 and it just hangs Jan 18 13:53:46 That's the only downside of Android devices Jan 18 13:53:51 You have to deal with Android Jan 18 13:53:57 I didn't change anything that would cause such a mess Jan 18 13:54:06 I *could* fire up a last authoritative message from maemo administration coordinator to rsupplido, asking for changing >>talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com.<< to a proper A record pointing to new server, and take down that blocker boilerplate on new server Jan 18 13:54:07 MohammadAG: that doesnt matter, shit will just break anyway Jan 18 13:54:14 in any case, I thought, I'll just flash stock firmware, and it'll work Jan 18 13:54:26 and that doesn't seem to be the case Jan 18 13:54:32 stock firmware won't even get past setup Jan 18 13:54:39 I'm thinking it's a hardware fault actually Jan 18 13:55:31 but the fact there's a Dalvik VM that's as reliable as PSN on my device doesn't help in finding that out Jan 18 13:57:06 though if it's hardware I don't see what my next phone would be Jan 18 13:57:15 you can flash the firmware but it wont fully boot? Jan 18 13:57:28 if i screw up flashing on the nexus7, its usually related to emptying whatever shit cache android has Jan 18 13:57:42 Nexus devices are special Lava_Croft Jan 18 13:57:43 of which there's like two or three different options in the Recovery menu Jan 18 13:57:46 * DocScrutinizer05 waves a shiny new N900 to MohammadAG Jan 18 13:58:04 they don't break as much as other shit Jan 18 13:58:26 DocScrutinizer05, doesn't work well nowadays Jan 18 13:58:47 I really wish the N900 got upgraded internals Jan 18 13:59:18 and it's gone again Jan 18 13:59:41 I guess it's a hardware fault Jan 18 13:59:56 it even locked up on AOSP Jan 18 14:09:57 MohammadAG: ....most people think that zamzung devs are fantastic... most of them have severe hw issues Jan 18 14:11:12 i customized ~30 pieces of S2 in 5 months... about 10 of them started to have hardware issues after 2 months Jan 18 14:11:38 so again, I'm not sure what to get as a next phone Jan 18 14:13:18 MohammadAG: i don't know.. maybe one rugged smartphone :) Jan 18 14:14:09 ...or better one rugged N900 Jan 18 14:14:25 n900 hw is seriously starting to age Jan 18 14:14:32 ^ Jan 18 14:14:49 the HW already was ancient when the device came out Jan 18 14:15:30 "ancient" Jan 18 14:15:45 ancient would've been a portable zx spectrum Jan 18 14:15:57 and it would've been awesome, too Jan 18 14:15:59 Depending on your personal interpretation of ancient Jan 18 14:16:00 I think that word is relative. Jan 18 14:16:47 considering a Galaxy Note 2 but seeing my current experience with the S3... Jan 18 14:16:56 MohammadAG: nexus 4? Jan 18 14:17:00 it's from lg Jan 18 14:17:09 So the N900 HW is starting to age performance-wise or reliability-wise? Jan 18 14:17:14 Aoyagi: yes Jan 18 14:17:19 I see. Jan 18 14:17:19 kerio, I'd love one, if it had a microSD slot Jan 18 14:17:19 :D Jan 18 14:17:25 or a 32GB model, or sth Jan 18 14:17:29 MohammadAG: don't be silly, microsd slots confuse people Jan 18 14:17:40 the galaxy nexus i had came with sdcard slot, too bad the device itself was made of paper or something Jan 18 14:17:47 16 isn't enough Jan 18 14:18:08 Using a 16gb N9 makes you appreciate the N900's 32gb + sdcard clot Jan 18 14:18:10 Why would you pay so much for mere extra 16 GB? Jan 18 14:18:21 It doesn't make any sense. Jan 18 14:18:36 (unless it has no SD slot, of course) Jan 18 14:19:00 it has no sd slot :) Jan 18 14:19:08 Oh... Jan 18 14:19:31 Best device to get at this moment is no device Jan 18 14:19:37 and be patient Jan 18 14:19:38 Instead of implementing SD card support, Nexus devices offers a fixed amount of space that "apps just seamlessly… use", with users not having to "worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing". Jan 18 14:19:56 * Lava_Croft rolls his eyes Jan 18 14:21:06 kerio, I'm all fine with that Jan 18 14:21:14 but 16GBs is too fucking small Jan 18 14:21:18 indeed Jan 18 14:21:33 I use up all 11GBs on my S3, along with 42GBs on my SD card Jan 18 14:21:42 htc tryed with a "butterfly" Jan 18 14:22:31 looks like it stabilized Jan 18 14:24:45 anyway, I see my next phone as an iPhone 4S, if a jailbreak ever comes out Jan 18 14:26:03 not a 5? Jan 18 14:26:19 no Jan 18 14:26:32 it's crap Jan 18 14:26:45 I'd be happy with an iOS 5 4S actually Jan 18 14:26:51 One question. What's the improvement of 5 over 3? Jan 18 14:27:28 over the 4S, taller screen, better camera sensor, better CPU, double the RAM, better GPU Jan 18 14:28:01 but without a jailbreak, the CPU and RAM don't make a difference Jan 18 14:29:04 BTW I still don;t get it why repos are down Jan 18 14:33:05 freemangordon: repos down - this is quite annouing Jan 18 14:37:16 freemangordon, any chance you got the maemo 5 scratchbox rootstrap? Jan 18 14:37:30 it somehow slipped every available mirror... Jan 18 14:38:54 Pali: I do have my own DNS. Do you recon I could fix getting to repo for myself, while using my wifi (I have two APs on my server, which have bind9 running on it)? Jan 18 14:39:10 ./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz Jan 18 14:39:10 ./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz Jan 18 14:39:14 qwazix, ^? Jan 18 14:39:28 WizardNumberNext, iirc repository.maemo.org is turned off Jan 18 14:39:35 WizardNumberNext, repository.maemo.org not working... Jan 18 14:39:43 you cannot fix it Jan 18 14:39:48 Pali: at all? Jan 18 14:40:03 why do you want to fix non working server? Jan 18 14:40:10 and how? Jan 18 14:40:13 I am surprised, as repo is just files Jan 18 14:40:51 but if server is turned off you can write to DNS what you want... I does not fix server Jan 18 14:41:07 do anybody know what exactly is wrong with it. I know somebody good for apache and I am generaly good at linux Jan 18 14:41:42 you can only wait until repo server will be fixed... Jan 18 14:42:12 this is already few days - it worries me Jan 18 14:42:41 it's turned off on purpose waiting for nokia to fix dns.. there was a problem with akamai hogging all bandwidth trying to mirror everything Jan 18 14:43:04 qwazix: I have the rootstrap, but have no way of sharing it, windoze here :D Jan 18 14:43:17 qwazix: though you should have it in your SB Jan 18 14:43:31 freemangordon: do you have IPv6? Jan 18 14:43:39 iirc Jan 18 14:43:41 freemangordon, thanks, MohammadAG will upload it for me Jan 18 14:43:43 afaik no Jan 18 14:43:54 qwazix: lemme check the version Jan 18 14:44:20 qwazix: i posted it this morning Jan 18 14:44:42 brkn, must've missed it Jan 18 14:44:47 in query? Jan 18 14:44:49 xD Jan 18 14:45:04 freemangordon: I would give you my IPv4, I have FTPS server there, you can put some files there (after I would find good place for it) and then i would make guest account, which would be able to see only those files Jan 18 14:45:33 qwazix: you need maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz Jan 18 14:45:38 check my ip on irc and you would instantly know, if have ipv6 Jan 18 14:45:45 726ebcbce306ae4449beb73d3c024222 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz Jan 18 14:45:46 5ced14b7e3b1af8914ae6c0970bd7520 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_i386.tgz Jan 18 14:45:47 WizardNumberNext: I can uplad it on merlin1991's server Jan 18 14:45:57 brkn: perfect Jan 18 14:46:01 qwazix: ^^^ Jan 18 14:46:10 thats good enough - I do not have to tweak configuration then Jan 18 14:46:13 give me 3 mins Jan 18 14:46:52 freemangordon: do you have 4.7.2-thumb for amd64? Jan 18 14:46:57 no Jan 18 14:47:12 Pali: ^^ Jan 18 14:47:19 why do you need that? Jan 18 14:47:28 I would like to build kernel Jan 18 14:47:38 so? Jan 18 14:47:38 I'm lost Jan 18 14:47:46 qwazix: hm? Jan 18 14:48:03 cannot build my own cc 4.7.2 Jan 18 14:48:12 brkn: can't find the query in scrollback, must be on the other pc, could you please send again? Jan 18 14:48:16 tried few times in row Jan 18 14:48:28 i'll paste the 2 links, uploading to dropbox right now Jan 18 14:48:53 WizardNumberNext: you need amd64 cross to arm, or the one that produces amd64 code? Jan 18 14:48:53 i took the files from the vmware image Jan 18 14:49:01 freemangordon, is the above version posted by brkn the right one? Jan 18 14:49:05 yep Jan 18 14:49:07 I have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1) Jan 18 14:49:08 amd64-arm-thumb Jan 18 14:49:10 brkn I got ftp if you prefer Jan 18 14:49:21 and I can leave them there for other users Jan 18 14:49:27 same here Jan 18 14:49:31 it is included in ubuntu 12.10 Jan 18 14:49:33 if you want i upload on your ftp Jan 18 14:49:33 Pali: unfortunately it is not good - ubuntu have newer glibc Jan 18 14:49:51 and ubuntu is piece of crap Jan 18 14:49:54 WizardNumberNext: why do you need it to be amd64?!? Jan 18 14:50:07 glibc is not used for kernel Jan 18 14:50:11 what if it is i686? Jan 18 14:50:16 because I do not have i386 OS and I am not going to install one Jan 18 14:50:26 WizardNumberNext: whaaat? Jan 18 14:50:49 would need to build loads of libraries to be able to run gcc in i686 mode Jan 18 14:50:50 not everybody has compiled kernel with legacy x86 32bit support... Jan 18 14:51:04 don;t tell me x86 binaries don't run on amd64 Jan 18 14:51:17 dynamic lined of course not Jan 18 14:51:21 *linked Jan 18 14:51:27 Pali: I do have, but it doesn't really work on debian for some reason or another Jan 18 14:51:47 iirc there are 32 bit libraries in all major distributions Jan 18 14:51:47 WizardNumberNext, you do not need glibc for compiling kernel Jan 18 14:51:54 that one too Jan 18 14:52:13 freemangordon: they should, but only, if code is pure i386+ Jan 18 14:52:42 Pali: is it possible to build the kernel outside of madde/SB? Jan 18 14:52:53 yes Jan 18 14:53:00 Pali: glibc - yes I know I do nopt need it, but gcc is running on top of glibc, which is older in debian then in ubuntu, so it won't run Jan 18 14:53:04 cross compile Jan 18 14:53:09 Pali: I mean .debs Jan 18 14:53:23 I know you can do make zimage Jan 18 14:53:39 if you have needed tools on debian/ubuntu -> then yes Jan 18 14:53:51 ok Jan 18 14:53:54 foreign arch packages Jan 18 14:54:10 freemangordon: I do have glibc for both i786 (barcelona) and amd64 (barcelona) Jan 18 14:54:10 but I did not played with that.. Jan 18 14:54:15 it can damage system Jan 18 14:54:52 WizardNumberNext: "Configured with: ../../sources/gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.07/configure --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu " Jan 18 14:54:53 ubuntu has support for multiarch which allows you to install also armel packages to system Jan 18 14:55:00 actually even k7 was i786 Jan 18 14:55:17 so I guess it will run Jan 18 14:55:19 and then use dpkg-buildpackage -barmel to compile deb package for armel Jan 18 14:55:36 *-b -aarmel Jan 18 14:55:46 Pali: gcc in ubuntu is not the same linaro gcc ;) Jan 18 14:55:58 aiui Jan 18 14:56:06 ubuntu has some linaro Jan 18 14:56:17 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1) Jan 18 14:56:25 Pali: this would need clean debian gcc libraries in system - I do not have them anymore Jan 18 14:56:47 WizardNumberNext, then compile gcc Jan 18 14:56:54 :nod: Jan 18 14:56:58 you can do it without 32bit libs Jan 18 14:57:13 though compiling gcc to work in SB is not a fun :D Jan 18 14:57:14 mine are from 4.7.2 - configured, compiled and installed by me Jan 18 14:57:38 crosstool-ng does not work Jan 18 14:57:56 I tried to build cross-compiler but failed Jan 18 14:58:13 it is always same - it cannopt find thread.h Jan 18 14:58:24 WizardNumberNext: use crostool-ng to download all the needed source for you Jan 18 14:58:33 would need to have glibc first Jan 18 14:58:44 then build gcc/binutils by hand, statically linked Jan 18 14:58:44 I do have sources Jan 18 14:59:03 vanilla gcc, and all other is from debian Jan 18 14:59:21 WizardNumberNext: building statically linked gcc/binutils is tricky, but it can be done Jan 18 14:59:23 binutils in place already Jan 18 14:59:40 why statically? Jan 18 15:01:01 WizardNumberNext: well, you may want to use that in SB someday Jan 18 15:01:06 I aim to have all cc-armel binaries in /usr/local/armel so it should work without static libraries Jan 18 15:01:16 SB? Jan 18 15:01:20 and you won't be able to run it is SB chroot Jan 18 15:01:24 scratchbox Jan 18 15:01:36 s/is/in Jan 18 15:01:38 I see Jan 18 15:02:32 should binutils be build static as well, then? Jan 18 15:02:35 looks like Jan 18 15:03:03 yes Jan 18 15:04:32 * WizardNumberNext need to attend some very important matters in tron room Jan 18 15:06:21 tmo alive Jan 18 15:06:42 \o/ Jan 18 15:06:48 wait for DNS to propagate to your NS Jan 18 15:07:19 WizardNumberNext: http://pastebin.com/Kn281rr3 Jan 18 15:07:22 halebop:/etc # host -a forums.internettablettalk.com ns1.reggiesuplido.com Jan 18 15:07:31 forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209 Jan 18 15:08:05 remove the ns1.reggiesuplido.com part, to see if it propagated to your NS already Jan 18 15:10:31 WizardNumberNext: it is almost ok :D, ld was giving me some troubles, but I didn;t fixed it as the particular bug I was interested in was not solved in 2012.09 relese Jan 18 15:11:34 freemangordon: that might actually make me going Jan 18 15:12:05 but I am not going to try it now, as I have to go out soon Jan 18 15:12:38 maemo rootstraps for everyone -> maemo.qwazix.com, waiting for dns (temporary download page http://maemo.qwazix.com.oob-server4.info/) Jan 18 15:25:23 Pali: is there any way to adjust turning off point of N900, while not using BME for battery management? I am using bq27x00 for management. It is turning off at rawly 3.15v-3.25v. Jan 18 15:25:49 it's turning off at EDVF Jan 18 15:26:03 use rx51 bme replacement Jan 18 15:26:20 can I get right now? Jan 18 15:26:26 it has hald-addon-bme which tell dsme when battery is empty Jan 18 15:26:31 kerio: why it varies? Jan 18 15:26:55 !!!it is very experimental!!! Jan 18 15:27:09 can cause reboot loop or bricking device Jan 18 15:27:14 what can go wrong. then? Jan 18 15:27:19 ups Jan 18 15:27:24 nothing, it will shut down at EDVF Jan 18 15:27:32 I am not going to use it at the moment, thne. Jan 18 15:27:40 but the voltage varies according to the load, too Jan 18 15:27:40 full reflash Jan 18 15:27:49 s/thne/then/ Jan 18 15:27:51 WizardNumberNext meant: I am not going to use it at the moment, then. Jan 18 15:28:09 if you want to break your device go ahead and download deb packages: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ Jan 18 15:28:13 :D Jan 18 15:28:23 (disclaimer: it might not break your device) Jan 18 15:28:36 you need kernel-power v52 Jan 18 15:28:39 Pali: I would have to prepare image for reflash, as I do not want to flash with stock - I would like to flash with my actuall contents Jan 18 15:28:51 if you want to actually break your device, install n900fly Jan 18 15:28:59 WizardNumberNext: there's no way to make a proper image, as of now Jan 18 15:29:08 because such a thing would involve making the emmc image too Jan 18 15:29:23 Pali: I do not have v52 - I think I have v51 and I am not going to check now, as battery is almost empty Jan 18 15:29:24 kerio, it could be possible Jan 18 15:29:30 use 0xFFFF dump support Jan 18 15:29:39 you can, however, get the tarballs via backupmenu or rescueos Jan 18 15:29:52 WizardNumberNext, ok kp52 is really needed Jan 18 15:30:13 Pali: if it's needed, why isn't it in the dependencies? :) Jan 18 15:30:23 it is Jan 18 15:30:29 via kernel-feature Jan 18 15:30:40 but kp51 has that feature too, doesn't it Jan 18 15:31:02 it does not have rx51_battery Jan 18 15:31:03 kerio: mkfifo somepipe; scp somepipe user@host:mmc_dump; dd if=/dev/mmc0 of=somepipe Jan 18 15:31:06 should work Jan 18 15:31:16 this is reason why you need kp52 Jan 18 15:31:20 WizardNumberNext: MTDs don't work that way Jan 18 15:31:22 and 51 is not enought Jan 18 15:31:55 many thanks to Reggie and chem|st for smooth migration of tmo Jan 18 15:32:03 kerio: I have images of flash made that way Jan 18 15:32:16 well, i hope your flash will never degrade Jan 18 15:32:24 not exactly that way, but with dd Jan 18 15:32:34 or they'll become as useful as a piece of lint in your navel Jan 18 15:32:47 (note: your flash *will* degrade) Jan 18 15:32:53 kerio: I know it does degrade Jan 18 15:32:55 WizardNumberNext, do not remember that you cannot flash mtd5 from active maemo Jan 18 15:33:35 Pali: is it rootfs (I cannot remember now), if it is obviously you cannot do that Jan 18 15:33:51 damn big mess if you do Jan 18 15:34:02 mtd5 is rootfs Jan 18 15:34:13 you cannot use dd for nand Jan 18 15:34:28 I did it with HDD and efect was very disturbing Jan 18 15:34:37 you need to use nanddump and nandwrite Jan 18 15:34:53 but first you must umount and detach ubi from that nand Jan 18 15:34:55 not even nandwrite, actually Jan 18 15:35:05 Pali: you can, if you know eraseblock size Jan 18 15:35:12 it won't magically make the bad blocks disappear Jan 18 15:35:35 problem is that ubi must be detached before doing something Jan 18 15:35:36 indeed it's unclear if nandwrite would result in a working UBIimage with one additional bad block Jan 18 15:36:43 but nanddump/write would be useful if I would still have my old routers, but I throw them out Jan 18 15:37:14 Pali: which is almost impossible to achieve on working OS Jan 18 15:37:45 you can boot kernel with initfs from RAM Jan 18 15:38:03 and then flash it via usb network Jan 18 15:38:05 but you always can: echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger Jan 18 15:38:25 what is s and u? Jan 18 15:38:35 umount Jan 18 15:38:55 sync & umount? Jan 18 15:38:58 I do this on server and desktop for ultra-fast reboot Jan 18 15:39:18 s - sync; u - unmount ALL FS Jan 18 15:39:26 ok Jan 18 15:39:31 actuall: u - remount in r/o Jan 18 15:39:51 and what happen if disk is busy? Jan 18 15:40:03 which garantee you that FS would be SYNCed Jan 18 15:40:08 e.g. somebody has open file descriptor for writing? Jan 18 15:40:14 doesn't matter - it is from kernel Jan 18 15:40:26 it overrides everything Jan 18 15:40:32 normally you cannot do mount -o remount,ro / Jan 18 15:41:00 but this is from userspace, sysrq works from kernel-space Jan 18 15:41:12 and it does what you ask for Jan 18 15:41:13 hm, it is possible to do that r/o remount only for specified disk? Jan 18 15:41:28 no Jan 18 15:41:42 it does it for all FS Jan 18 15:41:47 so there is no way to do it from userspace too? Jan 18 15:41:56 that's why you usually do EI first Jan 18 15:42:05 (termall, killall) Jan 18 15:42:21 and only reason why it would not be able to to remount is when it cannot access device for some reason Jan 18 15:43:01 with sysrq you do not have to bother with termall killall Jan 18 15:43:52 btq you can see in dmesg if it did it sync and remount and see all FS which where remounted\ Jan 18 15:44:01 by device node Jan 18 15:44:16 s/btq/btw/ Jan 18 15:45:04 ok, I have to go now, see ya later Jan 18 15:54:49 tmo is r/w again? Jan 18 15:56:14 Sc0rpius, why do you think? Jan 18 15:56:23 rollback Jan 18 15:56:35 and Nokia never updated their DNS Jan 18 15:56:47 is that what happened? Jan 18 15:57:07 dig @ns.nokia.com talk.maemo.org >>> talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. Jan 18 15:57:11 nothing changed Jan 18 15:57:29 exactly, but I can post replies Jan 18 15:57:33 so that looks like a rollback Jan 18 15:57:48 it was read only yesterday Jan 18 15:58:12 repos are still down Jan 18 15:59:56 Well, tmo is in r/w mode, though I have NFC where it is served Jan 18 16:00:53 Sc0rpius: it is 188.117.59.209, so it is nemein Jan 18 16:01:32 Sc0rpius: repos are down Jan 18 16:01:43 yeah they are still down Jan 18 16:01:44 new tmo server is live and DNS change in progress Jan 18 16:01:50 ok Jan 18 16:01:52 chem|st: we wait for akamai to fix something? Jan 18 16:02:09 freemangordon: ask DocScrutinizer05 about that no idea what went wrong Jan 18 16:02:20 ok Jan 18 16:02:51 well aiui akamai did a DOS attack on the repos :D Jan 18 16:02:52 hmm? Jan 18 16:03:22 DocScrutinizer05: what is expected to happen to bring the repos back up? Jan 18 16:03:55 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T00:20:57 Jan 18 16:04:24 Sorry, I can't find it, which repository has libneon27? Jan 18 16:04:36 Talking about maemo5, n900 pr1.3 Jan 18 16:05:49 it's in extras-devel Jan 18 16:05:51 why do you need it? Jan 18 16:06:48 Ah. Jan 18 16:06:52 I need syncevolution. Jan 18 16:06:58 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jan 18 16:07:06 It requires libneon27 but I only have found libneon29. Jan 18 16:07:09 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T13:55:28 Jan 18 16:07:43 wow, I'm part of the history now. :-D Jan 18 16:08:36 wow, found it! http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/ Jan 18 16:09:10 http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/ Jan 18 16:09:14 oh too late Jan 18 16:09:39 Ah, skeiron has it too, great, thanks! Jan 18 16:11:10 Why is/was TTE 86400 of TMO? Jan 18 16:13:10 nfc Jan 18 16:13:38 bash dnsmaster@nokia.com Jan 18 16:13:50 Ah man, I thought syncevolution has gui. Jan 18 16:14:04 or Reggie ;-P - depending on which DNS record you're talking about Jan 18 16:14:24 Maybe it's syncevolution-frontend. Jan 18 16:14:46 dimir I have it aswell ;) http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ Jan 18 16:14:59 * DocScrutinizer05 waves Jan 18 16:15:15 afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h Jan 18 16:15:36 merlin1991: ah, thanks a lot! Jan 18 16:16:02 merlin1991: without the index file mismatch error? :-) Jan 18 16:16:11 I have to check that Jan 18 16:16:18 (I never used that mirror xD) Jan 18 16:17:28 :-D Jan 18 16:17:55 It should give that error on 'apt-get update' Jan 18 16:18:24 yeah, though I have no proper downstream here, so can't test anything :/ Jan 18 16:23:34 DocScrutinizer05, on ns1.reggiesuplido.com Jan 18 16:23:59 so we need wait 1 day until dns cache expire... Jan 18 16:24:14 @pali that's max Jan 18 16:24:24 without line in /etc/hosts TMO we need to wait Jan 18 16:24:30 brkn, so this is problem Jan 18 16:24:43 why it was not decreased? Jan 18 16:24:55 don't ask me Jan 18 16:25:29 dig @ns1.reggiesuplido.com A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209 Jan 18 16:25:47 dig @8.8.8.8 A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 8292 IN A 74.86.202.247 Jan 18 16:26:23 Pali: google sucks ;) Jan 18 16:26:47 dig A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 3752 IN A 74.86.202.247 Jan 18 16:26:59 merlin1991, no google doing what is correct Jan 18 16:27:20 Pali: I know, but they still suck ;) Jan 18 16:27:23 caching dns records until expire Jan 18 16:29:24 we'll not die from that Jan 18 16:30:27 a few users have to wait a tad longer until they will see new posts or can post by themselves Jan 18 16:31:28 If I hadn't suffered a rage this afternoon, you probably wouldn't see new tmo on monday Jan 18 16:32:45 jesus reisenweber, who raged for our forum Jan 18 16:34:00 ty doc <3 Jan 18 16:34:26 hm I checked my cssu-testing and extras-devel mirror, no md5sum mismatch madness Jan 18 16:34:27 17:15 afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h > go away doc Jan 18 16:34:29 :D Jan 18 16:34:46 merlin1991: maybe it's a HAM thing? Jan 18 16:35:06 merlin1991: my december 26 mirror on another vps has no problems Jan 18 16:35:22 seems this somehow happened early january Jan 18 16:35:37 http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp not working anymore Jan 18 16:35:38 well my cronjob runs every night Jan 18 16:35:46 and the system seems to work Jan 18 16:35:48 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks his idea of RL is pretty rotten Jan 18 16:35:58 DocScrutinizer05: it's cold outside! Jan 18 16:36:05 kerio: that's good for skiing! Jan 18 16:36:05 indeed Jan 18 16:36:41 merlin1991: but skiing sucks! Jan 18 16:36:48 rly? Jan 18 16:37:07 yep Jan 18 16:37:16 how come? Jan 18 16:37:22 merlin1991: need to compare our mirror.lists Jan 18 16:37:26 Pali: that sounds natsy Jan 18 16:37:34 nasty even Jan 18 16:38:12 Pali: did you mention this location for update by our global update project? Jan 18 16:38:31 I forgot Jan 18 16:38:35 DocScrutinizer05: points to akamai Jan 18 16:38:37 brkn: no exactly secret knowledge here: http://paste.debian.net/226113/ Jan 18 16:39:05 merlin1991: that's your apt-mirror stuff, right Jan 18 16:39:07 kerio: mhm Jan 18 16:39:24 so probably Nokia taking down akamai servers right now Jan 18 16:40:21 now we're facing the dirty episode of Nokia going out of maemo business Jan 18 16:41:09 merlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0b9694a2/ Jan 18 16:41:38 brkn: that link for extras is baaad Jan 18 16:42:06 :o Jan 18 16:42:35 well i'll fix it Jan 18 16:42:44 on extras fremantle was pr 1.1 fremantle-1.2 was pr1.2 and fremantle-1.3 was a symlink to fremantle-1.2 Jan 18 16:43:22 :nod: Jan 18 16:44:38 anyway I seem to notice our community being lively the last 7 days like no time during last year, Jan 18 16:45:07 :D Jan 18 16:46:23 merlin1991: let's see whether it works now Jan 18 16:47:03 well you won't be able to run apt-mirror atm :D Jan 18 16:47:10 since the repo is down xD Jan 18 16:47:13 http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ :-/ I can't believe there been not a single donation since 25.12. Jan 18 16:47:15 sure Jan 18 16:47:16 http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ea4c066/ Jan 18 16:47:20 that correct now? Jan 18 16:47:29 btw why you don't have deb-i386? Jan 18 16:47:38 i took the lines from wiki Jan 18 16:47:52 because I only need armel for device + quick test in sb Jan 18 16:48:03 if I really need the i386 I can build it from the source Jan 18 16:48:24 hah Jan 18 16:48:42 i386 packages are only of use inside scratchbox when you want to run the emulated n900 on qemu Jan 18 16:48:48 if there's any source, yeah Jan 18 16:48:58 ok Jan 18 16:49:02 DocScrutinizer05: that's why I have the deb-src lines aswell ;) Jan 18 16:49:34 I don't see the case where I would want to run a i386 from non-free inside sb Jan 18 16:50:27 Pali: http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle > too bad i don't have that in our backup Jan 18 16:50:52 oh and merlin1991 in all repos available fremantle stable with rootstrap and sdk installer missing Jan 18 16:51:10 sdk installer sucks anyways Jan 18 16:51:15 rootstrap I could upload Jan 18 16:52:21 merlin i have the rootstrap, i was just wondering why it isn't in any repo Jan 18 16:52:25 aka why is the stable branch missing Jan 18 16:52:38 what do you mean by stable branch? Jan 18 16:52:48 btw DocScrutinizer05 I'm not going to donate as long as there is paypal only Jan 18 16:53:05 no point in transfering money just so that a fee goes to paypal Jan 18 16:53:32 http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Jan 18 16:53:41 you'd be amazed and shocked about the fee for money transfer to bank accounts Jan 18 16:53:47 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py Jan 18 16:54:18 that stable thing Jan 18 16:54:26 keep in mind that HiFo is located in USA, CA iirc Jan 18 16:54:55 DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins! Jan 18 16:54:55 DocScrutinizer05: well I don't know about the fees on HiFO side, but I'm paying about no fees on my side thanks to being a student :) Jan 18 16:55:25 hah, try to do a money transfer outside EU Jan 18 16:55:41 brkn: that is just a silly python installer, the scratchbox pacakges + the wiki page are equivalent (and better) Jan 18 16:55:50 i see Jan 18 16:56:03 don't know nothing about that. i keep repeating myself but i have 0 n900 Jan 18 16:56:10 D: Jan 18 16:56:15 to GB it's about 10GBP iirc Jan 18 16:56:17 you should buy a couple Jan 18 16:56:26 *waves to doc Jan 18 16:56:30 plus a few percent of amount on top Jan 18 16:57:06 anyway thx merlin for explaining Jan 18 17:02:57 brkn; you have N8x0? Jan 18 17:03:08 firmwares? Jan 18 17:04:10 http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5438225/ Jan 18 17:04:52 + 810 Jan 18 17:04:55 + 810 wimax Jan 18 17:05:23 http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/ Jan 18 17:05:26 the complete list Jan 18 17:07:44 DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins transactions are much, much cheaper Jan 18 17:08:41 suggest that to ivgalvez in 60min on council meeting, since he's hiFo as well Jan 18 17:09:16 hm, it was a bit of a joke actually, but it could really work Jan 18 17:09:29 mtgox fees for btc->usd aren't big Jan 18 17:10:23 well, it's not really a fee Jan 18 17:13:08 hm I don't have any bitcoins ;) Jan 18 17:13:25 you can buy some! :D Jan 18 17:14:58 yeah sure, I'll pay some € to a US company to get bitcoins (€ to $ fees, europe to usa fees), then transfer those coinds to HiFO and they get US$ (again fees) Jan 18 17:15:08 hey that sounds way better than paypal Jan 18 17:15:28 you can pay € to a EU company to get bitcoins Jan 18 17:15:33 that's the whole point Jan 18 17:15:52 hm are there any? Jan 18 17:15:55 in europe, iban transfer is like free :) Jan 18 17:16:19 last time I checked bitcoun to hard currency was only possibly via some USA based companies Jan 18 17:18:44 merlin1991: bitcoin-central is in france Jan 18 17:20:42 they do take a 0.49% fee Jan 18 17:21:25 neat, their website is opensource, on github Jan 18 17:21:57 is it rails based? :D Jan 18 17:22:02 it is Jan 18 17:22:25 hm time to check if they checked in that key file nobody knows not to check in into source repositories Jan 18 17:28:09 did they? Jan 18 17:28:18 anyway, apparently bitcoin-central is actually a serious thing Jan 18 17:33:11 * ShadowJK has two new microsdhc cards to benchmark \o/ Jan 18 17:33:18 \o/ Jan 18 17:33:23 which ones? Jan 18 17:33:43 Two samsungs Jan 18 17:34:05 ShadowJK: i was thinking of leaving *one* 1gb swap partition on my 32gb sandisk Jan 18 17:34:11 and zeroing the rest Jan 18 17:34:38 MB-MSAGA/EU and MB-MPAGA/EU Jan 18 17:34:54 would it make the swap faster? what do you think? Jan 18 17:35:01 probably not Jan 18 17:35:53 fremantle swap isn't too slow on any card dedicated to swap ... atleast not until it starts fragmenting Jan 18 17:36:13 the only fast swap is no swap Jan 18 17:36:33 it was more for the "card has 32gb of erased blocks to use" factor Jan 18 17:36:35 get decent apps that don't behave like ramtest Jan 18 17:36:58 I say "fast" comparing it to diablo-era 20 kbyte/s Jan 18 17:37:28 DocScrutinizer05: use your EE magic to make a ram-based ephemeral uSD Jan 18 17:37:42 alas particularly Qt is abysmal regarding ram-hogging Jan 18 17:38:00 ephemeral.. :) Jan 18 17:39:06 qt-textedit widget in qt3 ate like 50byte per char to display, where 'display' means complete textbuffer Jan 18 17:39:23 and again that amount on invocation of destructor Jan 18 17:40:17 opening a 1MB text file in Qt3-textedit reliably put my lean laptop into swap agony Jan 18 17:41:00 kerio; if using up space isn't an issue I'd make it 2gig Jan 18 17:41:16 iirc i had problems with 2gb Jan 18 17:41:38 or maybe it was 4 Jan 18 17:41:45 image-viewer lamented a lack of free memory Jan 18 17:41:51 larger swap partitions eat more RAM for allocation tables Jan 18 17:41:51 because 32bit Jan 18 17:42:31 so overly large swap is contra-productive Jan 18 17:42:33 ShadowJK: i'm rebooting like crazy, anyway Jan 18 17:43:39 cool, neither of these have UHS logo Jan 18 17:46:00 grrrr Jan 18 17:46:08 I wish amazon hadn't patented easy to open packaging Jan 18 17:54:40 so what's happening at TMO? are we there yet? :) Jan 18 17:55:01 just a few seconds ago posting was already possible. Jan 18 17:58:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 Jan 18 17:58:31 Interesting Jan 18 17:58:42 MCE source code for 770 was released Jan 18 17:58:44 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php?f=hacker2008-sources.tar.gz Jan 18 17:58:58 also source code of osso-file-manager Jan 18 17:59:23 which osso-file-manager? Jan 18 17:59:56 also osso-applet-memory Jan 18 18:00:04 osso-filemanager_2007.17.tar.gz Jan 18 18:00:12 osso-applet-memory_2.2.11-1.tar.gz Jan 18 18:00:16 mce_1.6.45.tar.gz Jan 18 18:02:22 DocScrutinizer05, kerio, others: please look at tablets-dev, maybe there are more sources... Jan 18 18:04:43 Pali: see http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/ Jan 18 18:05:00 aka there are only os2008 hacker sources Jan 18 18:05:01 it is in hacker2008-sources.tar.gz Jan 18 18:05:18 never extracted Jan 18 18:05:32 brkn, how you generated that list? Jan 18 18:05:37 from nokia server? Jan 18 18:05:45 or only know links? Jan 18 18:07:00 this is part of my mirror Jan 18 18:07:14 my/ours Jan 18 18:07:56 i checked all ressources on nokia servers, auth' via cookie, then wget everything Jan 18 18:08:13 meet ING Jan 18 18:12:06 yay meeting Jan 18 18:21:40 freemangordon: ping Jan 18 18:45:34 looks like everybody's busy in the meeting Jan 18 18:45:51 but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'( Jan 18 19:41:42 ping romaxa Jan 18 20:13:54 Will return Monday, noonish EST. Jan 18 20:21:14 Sc0rpius: no mail from tmo? please ping chem|st Jan 18 20:21:59 chem|st: ^^^ Jan 18 20:22:15 chem|st: but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'( Jan 18 20:22:42 chem|st: might be an issue with rDNS or sth Jan 18 20:23:05 chem|st: please check and ping me if we need help of Eero to set up rDNS or anything Jan 18 20:47:22 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T20:10:36 today's council meeting Jan 18 23:04:21 is it just me, or maemo repos are down for downloading too? Jan 18 23:07:24 (haven't found anything about repositories on OP of thread mentioned in #maemo topic, don't have time/will to read through dozens of other, mostly useless, pages of that thread) Jan 18 23:07:30 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Jan 18 23:07:57 look again, update5-updateupdate Jan 18 23:08:56 ough Jan 18 23:09:19 thought, that update 6, "big green letters" "mission accomplished" nullifies that Jan 18 23:09:52 no, since the whol ethread is about *tmo* migration Jan 18 23:10:01 * Estel_ nodas Jan 18 23:10:11 that why I didn't wanted to read it thoroughly re repos Jan 18 23:10:17 and the fact that you can *read* "mission accomplished" is the proof in intself Jan 18 23:10:19 and where is thread about repos? ;) Jan 18 23:11:05 or any other place wheree one can get updated about repo status, without need to harras them with pings/update attempts? Jan 18 23:11:05 I'm afraid somebody will start it in 5 seconds Jan 18 23:11:10 ;) Jan 18 23:11:33 so, basically, repos are down, but it doesn't matter, as TMO is working and thats all that counts? :| Jan 18 23:11:38 joking a little ;) Jan 18 23:11:55 OK, will try my update in a week or so. Thanks for info Jan 18 23:12:12 Estel_: use a tmp mirror Jan 18 23:12:38 brkn, thats something of value to know - where it is located? Jan 18 23:12:47 listen buddy, we moved 95% of maemo to a new home this week, and migration went exceptionally smooth, and now I got weekend and CBA to get pestered by anybody about it Jan 18 23:13:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 Jan 18 23:13:17 but wait for 15 mins Jan 18 23:13:26 congratulations, I'm impressed. I hope it settles in new home smoothly ( DocScrutinizer05) Jan 18 23:13:35 brkn, thanks a lot Jan 18 23:14:10 resync is currently running for community + community extras + extras + extras devel Jan 18 23:14:17 the other ones you can safely use Jan 18 23:16:33 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks woody's suggested 3 days of downtime wouldn't suffice probably for the intended purpose Jan 18 23:16:42 thanks a lot, it will do the job Jan 18 23:17:11 3 weeks feels more appropriate Jan 18 23:17:36 brkn: please take down l2 ;-d Jan 18 23:18:12 shall i? Jan 18 23:18:26 poor Estel_ xD Jan 18 23:18:29 nah, i'll do it Jan 18 23:18:42 take down 12? what does it mean? Jan 18 23:18:52 you know, *me* is BOFH Jan 18 23:18:58 ack Jan 18 23:19:09 get yourself a beer and let me finish Jan 18 23:19:12 sync is done Jan 18 23:19:17 :-D Jan 18 23:19:20 j7k Jan 18 23:20:43 Estel_: it means brkn and me negotiated who of us is entitled to take down the server he's maintaining and i pay for, so you might leran something Jan 18 23:21:54 no freakin idea what you're talking about, but maybe I'm not in mood for your sense of humour today ;) Jan 18 23:22:17 actually it's good you came along Jan 18 23:22:18 since people think they are entitled for premium service, till there's suddenly no service at all anymore Jan 18 23:22:25 would you mind to test extras and community? Jan 18 23:23:00 but if you mean what you think I mean, I'm pretty sure, that from both of us, i'm the one with much less problem to have no official maemo reepos for 3 weeks ;) Jan 18 23:23:06 or no at all Jan 18 23:23:20 brkn, extras and community? sure, why not Jan 18 23:23:42 sync is done so, actually, all of them should work now, yep? Jan 18 23:23:50 ack Jan 18 23:24:02 or add all fremantle just for fun Jan 18 23:24:10 roger that ;) Jan 18 23:24:13 and run a update to see whether packages still report mismatch of hashsums Jan 18 23:24:33 you finally fixed dat shite? Jan 18 23:24:57 got 26.12 repo copy? Jan 18 23:25:08 can it be done via apt, or you want to torment me like namelesa one, and require doing it via ham? ;) Jan 18 23:25:38 apt Jan 18 23:25:56 DocScrutinizer05: no, mirrored extras and community from merlin1991 Jan 18 23:26:07 so the latter Jan 18 23:26:09 i dropped extras-devel-testing Jan 18 23:26:26 got us down from 425gb to 344gb Jan 18 23:26:31 i wonder what those packages where Jan 18 23:26:33 dropped wut? Jan 18 23:26:35 were Jan 18 23:26:44 merlin said extras-devel-testing is crap Jan 18 23:26:53 no such thing Jan 18 23:26:55 or sth similar to that Jan 18 23:26:59 sec Jan 18 23:27:19 merlin said extras-testing is redundant Jan 18 23:27:35 extras-devel however shouldn't get dropped Jan 18 23:28:22 extras-testing i meant Jan 18 23:28:25 not extras-devel Jan 18 23:28:31 dat shite Jan 18 23:28:35 extras-testing was huuuge Jan 18 23:28:38 nuke it Jan 18 23:28:42 i did Jan 18 23:28:50 besides i have a second complete copy Jan 18 23:29:01 :nod: Jan 18 23:29:18 you should know by now i am way too paranoid to keep a single copy Jan 18 23:29:21 where's our traffic? Jan 18 23:29:25 where? Jan 18 23:29:27 oh. Jan 18 23:29:29 low Jan 18 23:29:35 just added 100gb to it Jan 18 23:29:51 what's total now? Jan 18 23:30:19 like for january? Jan 18 23:30:22 1.x tb Jan 18 23:30:23 yup Jan 18 23:30:29 meh :-P Jan 18 23:30:30 1.0x Jan 18 23:30:36 as i said..low Jan 18 23:30:40 well, added whole maemo just for sheer fun of [strike]abusing[/srike] testing it Jan 18 23:31:07 nice Jan 18 23:31:11 update on progress, will report after 2014 when it's finished ;) Jan 18 23:31:30 I don't get it how we can be at 1.0TB with a disk that holds way more Jan 18 23:31:43 ? Jan 18 23:31:47 did we pull that much in Dec? Jan 18 23:31:47 some errors, submitting Jan 18 23:31:57 uhm yes as well Jan 18 23:32:02 ki Jan 18 23:32:04 the rsyn alone was almost 1tb Jan 18 23:32:04 k Jan 18 23:32:06 rsync Jan 18 23:32:13 from the other vps Jan 18 23:32:26 :nod: - Dec though Jan 18 23:32:27 ~ 9xx gb Jan 18 23:32:56 seems we got some headroom for rest of month Jan 18 23:33:05 sure Jan 18 23:33:07 let the bits flow Jan 18 23:33:21 maybe i should announce it on tmo and not bury it in a thread Jan 18 23:33:25 *fg Jan 18 23:33:41 Estel_: report? Jan 18 23:34:13 looks like I screwed something, as it suddenfly failed miserably, errors exceeded my terminal history backscroll Jan 18 23:34:26 investigating Jan 18 23:34:32 grabcad.com ??? Jan 18 23:35:34 >>...full time experience with vmware esx...<< gooooood Jan 18 23:35:44 (new sysop) Jan 18 23:35:58 we need to start selecting Jan 18 23:36:12 http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?37543ffce5eb2a66#ugDlitSSSsA6jxAym0RxYGluIPvka1rvBxzlx83CvuI= Jan 18 23:36:23 brkn, ^^^ Jan 18 23:36:45 what have I missed? Jan 18 23:37:15 now that looks nice Jan 18 23:38:10 I think that most important part is repeated: Jan 18 23:38:26 Err http://skeiron.org fremantle/non-free Packages Jan 18 23:38:27 zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. Jan 18 23:38:27 all failed to fetch is because there are no bz2, only gz Jan 18 23:38:35 sunprocess bzwip2 failed - wasn't that an error due to messybox-powa Jan 18 23:38:35 * Estel_ nods Jan 18 23:38:51 shouldn't be. Jan 18 23:39:18 well, as proud user of bash and standard busybox, test it yourself to filter out ;) Jan 18 23:39:58 nah, i'll gonna rm -rf the source Jan 18 23:40:24 it would be quite funy, if it would be first busybox-power bug in few years, which I doubt, anyway... Jan 18 23:40:43 Even more fun to watch would be how quickly iDont fixes it ;) Jan 18 23:41:50 brkn, I'm off for a few minutes - just ask if any further testing needed, will proceed upon returning Jan 18 23:47:38 this statement is nonsensical in two (and thus all) ways: a) i've seen that error before, so it wouldn't be first error. and b) I see it again, so obviously it wasn't fixed in a fraction of a day Jan 18 23:48:43 and c) each monkey could check `which bzip2` Jan 18 23:49:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87177 Jan 18 23:49:26 DocScrutinizer05: mayb this is ^ Jan 18 23:49:29 maybe Jan 18 23:51:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275195&postcount=3 Jan 18 23:52:25 brkn: don't feed the trolls, that's my job ;-P Jan 18 23:52:40 mhm Jan 18 23:52:41 k Jan 18 23:52:47 back to checking checksums then Jan 18 23:55:05 DocScrutinizer05: you think there were many changes aka new packages for fremantle since december 26th? Jan 19 00:06:16 hi guys Jan 19 00:16:14 hi rZr Jan 19 00:32:36 freemangordon: Jan 19 00:32:45 freemangordon: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832390 Jan 19 00:32:49 04Bug 832390: was not found. Jan 19 01:00:22 is this repo running or not? I can crearly see you have been doing something, but is it up? Jan 19 01:27:52 DocScrutinizer05: there is no smtp server sending the mails... Jan 19 01:29:09 chemjst and DocScrutinizer05: I just have setup two courier servers in row last week. I can fix that Jan 19 01:29:44 chem|st: ^^ Jan 19 01:32:26 WizardNumberNext: we do not need a mailserver... do we? Jan 19 01:32:35 sendmail should be enough Jan 19 01:33:54 I definitely do not deal with sendmail. Not mine caliber. When something is complex, then I deal with it, otherwise I am too lazy to learn configuration. There must a challange Jan 19 01:34:35 DocScrutinizer05: sendmail or proper smtp... mx record for tmo needs to be handled too as there should be webmaster@talk.maemo.org reachable Jan 19 01:35:48 I made my own samba server, squid3 proxy, double AP, firewall with magling and transparent redirection, DHCP, DNS - thats part of is "running" on server Jan 19 01:37:27 hard to say running as it apears for microseconds and disappears. On single core 0.8GHz I had 96% idle, now on 4 core 0.8GHz running RT kernel I have 97% IDLE Jan 19 01:38:30 DocScrutinizer05: any maemo.org smtp is suitable... I just need a login or something Jan 19 01:38:45 I am going to put it on Xen again, but I am bit lazy and preparation takes slightly too much to just sit down and do it on one go - it would take whole day and another Jan 19 01:40:37 chem|st: I kanda like courier - it just runs. I have access to system e-mail without any problem and thats only reason why I have it, but it is proven on other server that my config works both way (in and out) Jan 19 01:41:23 WizardNumberNext: quick and dirty would be: you give me credentials for a smtp... Jan 19 01:41:39 it is not any big (at least for my server - 8GiB of RAM (actually 4GiB squid can swallow + whatever else it wants + cache) Jan 19 01:42:13 credentials? for which smtp? Jan 19 01:42:30 any... I don't care Jan 19 01:42:42 I can give config - all you need is to get couries + esmtps + imaps Jan 19 01:43:12 chem|st: do you have IPv6 address? Jan 19 01:43:30 IPv4 doesn't work from time of provider change Jan 19 01:43:43 at least didn't work from box Jan 19 01:44:31 if you do not have IPv6 address, then register at tunnelbroker.net and get tunnel Jan 19 01:44:47 it would actually make everything easier Jan 19 01:45:40 WizardNumberNext: not my call, I was told to NOT handle the server Jan 19 01:49:13 chem|st I do play with servers, but that is what I do for fun at the moment, it is not for money at the moment. When I started i had no idea what I was doing. System and server - that are two different subjects Jan 19 01:49:56 system have its complexity, and server soft have its complexity, but it completely different complexity Jan 19 01:56:40 WizardNumberNext: there is nothing to play on a productive system Jan 19 01:57:40 chem|st: depends - I do check out state of server at least daily Jan 19 01:58:46 sometimes I have to clean /var/log/ as it comes to moments, when it takes all the remaining space on drive (5GiB only FS) Jan 19 02:05:11 is this an insane person Jan 19 02:07:37 khm: I cannot tell! Jan 19 02:08:54 no I just like to add functions to my server - stated out as router+firewall+proxy. Today I have router, firewall, proxy, dns, dhcp, nfs, samba, courier (smtpS, imapS), proftpd (SFTP/FTPS), apache and who know what else - cannot remember all at once - I am going to migrate it (AGAIN!) to Xen soon Jan 19 02:11:03 * WizardNumberNext is comming back after reboot to 3.6.11-rt25 via kexec Jan 19 02:12:20 chem|st: I guess we can exploit list.m.o for tmo mail, hm? Jan 19 02:14:25 DocScrutinizer05: not without credentials^^ Jan 19 02:14:32 sure Jan 19 02:14:59 chem|st: vBuletin got a smtp plugin? Jan 19 02:15:27 or would you call some cmdline mailer? Jan 19 02:15:45 or drop files somewhere? Jan 19 02:17:12 what's the API vBuletin expects for sending mails? Jan 19 02:17:48 smtp or php-sendmail Jan 19 02:22:31 well, so we should set up lists.maemo.org as mail relay Jan 19 02:23:43 DocScrutinizer05: isn't it better to put MX on its own "host"? Jan 19 02:24:05 WizardNumberNext: does not matter where the server is Jan 19 02:24:09 I have it on own "host", it is actually on same host as all others Jan 19 02:24:33 if mx for talk is lists... I will be able to receive and send from and to talk Jan 19 02:24:52 :nod: Jan 19 02:25:13 WizardNumberNext: are you drunk or stoned or something? Jan 19 02:25:38 just tired and I always try to separate everything Jan 19 02:26:46 whatever, as long as it works... Jan 19 02:27:23 do you guys want working courier configuration? Or you are going to use something else? Jan 19 02:37:46 nope thanks Jan 19 02:56:47 anybody where to download deb www.maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/liblzo2-2/2.03-1maemo3/ Jan 19 02:58:32 How is maemo.org migration going? almost all bugs worked out? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 19 02:59:59 2013