**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 12 02:59:58 2013 Feb 12 03:23:39 at 6-6.5V I can see 500mA going through Feb 12 03:25:59 how much at 230VAC? Feb 12 03:29:19 ohm's law: you figure it out :p Feb 12 03:57:41 switched mode power supplies are not ohmic loads Feb 12 04:02:47 ping docscrutinizer05 chem|st GeneralAntilles and/or qwazix Feb 12 04:02:54 Yes? Feb 12 04:03:10 Taken a look at the HiFo site lately? :) Feb 12 04:03:22 Throwing DB errors... Feb 12 04:03:25 Oops Feb 12 04:03:30 Don't have any access there yet Feb 12 04:03:35 Email Tim Feb 12 04:04:09 k, figured you may have known. Will mail out a request. :) Feb 12 04:04:32 Not in the loop yet Feb 12 04:04:36 Need to get with them about that. . . . Feb 12 04:04:58 lol :) Just figured I had a better than 0% chance asking. :) Feb 12 04:05:06 As I also have no access. :) Feb 12 04:05:09 ;) Feb 12 04:05:21 K, have a good night! :) Feb 12 04:48:32 cd ~apache Feb 12 04:48:34 argh. Feb 12 04:56:06 http://users.vanade.com/~eccerr0r/Screenshot-20130211-214559.png <- my battery-eye chart... first charge phase was AC-10C, second and third were a laptop, fourth is a constant voltage power supply at 5.25V... Feb 12 04:56:57 the first phase looks very suspicious, wonder how the program thought it was full when the voltage was still rising... Feb 12 05:40:22 hm Feb 12 05:40:40 doesnt seem to be a way to put an email notification into the status bar in belle Feb 12 06:03:38 moo, ab Feb 12 06:03:48 meh, RST38h Feb 12 06:04:13 how is suffering this morning? Feb 12 06:04:39 Is there any new phone that compares to an N900 yet? Feb 12 06:04:46 few power outages yesterday evening and through the night Feb 12 06:04:57 snow is heavy here Feb 12 06:05:12 It was 48C in my shed on the weekend Feb 12 06:05:23 ab: has been a lot of snowfall a few days ago, pretty decent now, just monochrome Feb 12 06:19:26 P I'm using swype for putty Feb 12 06:20:09 Wish I could see the screen at the same time Feb 12 07:17:00 orlok: nope Feb 12 08:31:04 SpeedEvil: what do you mean by "proper" maglev fans? Feb 12 08:33:05 Macer: damn that's a sweet thing Feb 12 08:33:26 only one ethernet port, though :( Feb 12 08:43:06 yo vi____ Feb 12 08:43:18 vi____: why aren't you vi? Feb 12 08:43:30 oh, taken :( Feb 12 08:45:07 goes to show its popularity Feb 12 08:46:28 vi_ isn't registered Feb 12 08:48:34 but vi_ != vi :) because vi is also commonly attributed to an editor Feb 12 08:52:04 am i a bad enough dude to disable compression on rootfs? Feb 12 09:05:31 ShadowJK_ and other I/O experts: do you think that disabling compression in ubifs would improve performance? or is the decompression faster than the reading, even with the n900's limited cpu? Feb 12 09:07:39 warfare: qwazix: I'm semi-offline, my PC is defect, no email, no fw monitoring, no close following of 30 irc channels Feb 12 09:10:52 particularly /me no more can drive server migration Feb 12 09:12:08 but you've got a n900! Feb 12 09:13:09 which enables me to send thus... warning Feb 12 09:13:45 DocScrutinizer51: firewall seems ok don't fret ;) Feb 12 09:13:48 I *might* even fill a UPS webpage and click OK Feb 12 09:14:44 but I can't look up *how* to fill such page Feb 12 09:15:37 thedead1440: thanks Feb 12 09:16:45 I think I've seen '(warfare) I'll take care of fw" Feb 12 09:18:37 DocScrutinizer51: why not? you've got multiple n900s :P Feb 12 09:19:04 DocScrutinizer51: I'll take care of firewall monitoring. Feb 12 09:19:33 put them together, you've got a quad-core computer with a 1600x960 screen Feb 12 09:19:45 warfare: thanks Feb 12 09:20:05 OT! what about this: http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&CategoryID=537&List=0&Level=1&ProductID=17459&Pics=1 Feb 12 09:20:09 in all seriousness, what happened to your laptop? is it something that you could fix? Feb 12 09:20:14 is it something worth fixing? Feb 12 09:20:34 fan stopped spinning Feb 12 09:20:41 DocScrutinizer51: hm, not a big fan of integrated graphics Feb 12 09:21:48 does it have pcie for better graca? Feb 12 09:22:34 i don't know, it doesn't specify the exact model of the motherboard Feb 12 09:22:47 DocScrutinizer51: can you still remember your commandline for the fw watchdog? Feb 12 09:22:48 oh, yes it does Feb 12 09:23:12 err, thedead should know Feb 12 09:23:13 the intel h77 page lists 8 pci express Feb 12 09:23:30 and pci express graphics Feb 12 09:23:34 or chanlog search 'while sleep' Feb 12 09:23:35 which i didn't know was a separate thing Feb 12 09:24:09 while dleep 300 Feb 12 09:24:20 i'm not entirely in touch with normal prices, my last computer was a macbook pro, so i can't tell if it's a good price or not Feb 12 09:24:25 seems somewhat high Feb 12 09:24:32 but it's a quad-core i5 Feb 12 09:25:07 with SSD Feb 12 09:25:14 ah, yes Feb 12 09:25:17 I think the price is ok. Feb 12 09:25:24 i wasn't thinking of that Feb 12 09:25:33 DocScrutinizer51: I guess you're just going to slap $linux_distribution on it?= Feb 12 09:25:34 will it run linux and vmware? Feb 12 09:25:47 rrrrright Feb 12 09:25:53 DocScrutinizer51: remember to align to... i dunno, 24MB?, and to enable discard Feb 12 09:26:01 DocScrutinizer51: this one: Feb 12 09:26:06 while sleep 300; do date;ssh -oConnectTimeout=10 -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done Feb 12 09:26:13 yep Feb 12 09:26:23 warfare: ^ Feb 12 09:26:47 err, connecttimeout=4 Feb 12 09:27:40 cat ./reboot2; #!/bin/sh; exec >&- 2>&- <&-; trap "" 1; sleep 720; echo -e "Rebooting in 5min\nkillall reboot2 to cancel"|wall; sleep 300; echo "rebooting now"|wall; shutdown -r now Feb 12 09:27:50 hm the hw looks good, but the price is a bit steep Feb 12 09:28:21 DocScrutinizer51, thedead1440: thanks, I'll let this run on my root server. Feb 12 09:28:57 thanks Feb 12 09:29:21 hope to go online again next 18h Feb 12 09:29:56 but you never know, somehow I need to copy my laptop home Feb 12 09:30:04 wow that tower is expensive o.O Feb 12 09:30:29 but then EU taxes so I'm not too sure :D Feb 12 09:30:57 it has SSD Feb 12 09:31:08 DocScrutinizer51: that tower has a ton of sata connectors Feb 12 09:31:57 DocScrutinizer51: that SSD if its a Intel 520 Series SSD costs 138Euros here in Singapore Feb 12 09:32:33 thedead1440: add secure shipping to germany now :) Feb 12 09:32:40 DocScrutinizer51: I end up at ~ 550€ if I order equivalent if not better parts Feb 12 09:33:42 freemangordon: are you up? Feb 12 09:34:10 btw kerio why not integrated graphics Feb 12 09:34:37 especially for a linux desktop the i5 / i3 integrated stuff is great because it works without any problems (proper drivers from intel) Feb 12 09:34:47 merlin1991: because then your framerate in red eclipse, quake live or urban terror will suck Feb 12 09:35:55 kerio: my i3-2370M runs even really crappy coded games like world of tanks (under windows) still at around 50fps Feb 12 09:36:04 gotta try urban terror though Feb 12 09:36:27 * merlin1991 copies the files Feb 12 09:36:47 and keep in mind that i3 is a generation older than the i5 in that tower Feb 12 09:37:22 merlin1991: anything short of 125fps, with a 60fps display, isn't enough, with very fast games :) Feb 12 09:37:28 I have no games Feb 12 09:37:41 my game is IRC Feb 12 09:37:43 kerio: DocScrutinizer51 needs a PC for IRC Feb 12 09:37:48 it's a really nice game! Feb 12 09:37:52 very fast-paced, too Feb 12 09:37:56 haha DocScrutinizer51 your kitchen was faster :p Feb 12 09:38:05 hehe Feb 12 09:38:14 clearly, you need a specialized graphics card: http://www.bbspot.com/news/2003/02/ati_ascii.html Feb 12 09:38:43 DocScrutinizer51: get a raspberry pi for backup ;) Feb 12 09:39:09 merlin1991: am i a bad enough dude to optify microb-engine? Feb 12 09:39:33 warfare: I got a CF-29, but with no up-5o-date home Feb 12 09:40:05 kerio: will fsckup your system Feb 12 09:40:21 DocScrutinizer51: is browserd started *that* early? :O Feb 12 09:40:27 yes Feb 12 09:40:37 damn Feb 12 09:40:42 indeed Feb 12 09:40:48 like PA Feb 12 09:41:02 hold on now, you guys said the same thing about locale-archive Feb 12 09:41:32 nah, ponder 911 calls in early boot Feb 12 09:41:41 and whatnot Feb 12 09:42:25 those niche cases can kill your whole system design Feb 12 09:42:56 hold on, why would calling 911 depend on browserd? Feb 12 09:43:17 ok, I'm afk, getting tower PC and LCD Feb 12 09:43:22 and kbd Feb 12 09:43:27 yay, new computer Feb 12 09:43:48 not browser but PA for sure Feb 12 09:43:54 i'm not optifying PA! Feb 12 09:43:59 yep Feb 12 09:44:15 just since I used PA as example Feb 12 09:44:41 maybe caller depends on history depends on browserd Feb 12 09:44:46 I dunno Feb 12 09:45:04 fuck it, i'm optifying Feb 12 09:49:02 meh, it boots Feb 12 09:49:35 what the hell, now Conversations has a scroll bar Feb 12 09:50:21 i don't get it Feb 12 09:54:08 ;-P Feb 12 09:54:18 DocScrutinizer51: i would've been fine with it not working Feb 12 09:54:20 but why the scroll bar? Feb 12 09:54:31 microb works fine Feb 12 09:54:51 yjis is complex shite Feb 12 09:55:00 this* Feb 12 09:58:52 kerio, does it thumb-scroll despite the scrollbar? Feb 12 09:58:55 no Feb 12 09:59:29 drat, I would love to have kinetic scrolling && scrollbar Feb 12 09:59:49 Sometimes I miss symbian Feb 12 09:59:56 kerio: the arm based desktop? Feb 12 10:00:01 Macer: yes Feb 12 10:00:06 qwazix: belle is awesome heh Feb 12 10:00:11 after you tweak it Feb 12 10:00:18 two ethernet ports would make it work as a router too Feb 12 10:00:27 it looks like maemo or meego Feb 12 10:00:39 Macer, they even !@@#% removed the scrollbar from belle FP2 !! Feb 12 10:00:45 kerio: for that just get a wrt router heh Feb 12 10:00:48 And the arrows from the keyboard!! Feb 12 10:00:51 Macer: no u Feb 12 10:00:54 what's wrong with them? Feb 12 10:01:08 arrows from the keyboard? Feb 12 10:01:12 the vkb? Feb 12 10:01:23 By the way I *want* a 808. Badly Feb 12 10:01:28 Macer, yep Feb 12 10:01:40 there are left and right arrows Feb 12 10:01:49 you could probably install a custom one Feb 12 10:01:51 Macer, which device? Feb 12 10:01:59 i have an e7 Feb 12 10:02:08 so i have arrows ;) Feb 12 10:02:23 E7 never got FP2, belle refresh still has both scrollbar and arrows Feb 12 10:02:32 best symbian edition ever Feb 12 10:02:33 oh Feb 12 10:02:47 not sure if there is a port .. dont think so Feb 12 10:02:58 i like belle tho Feb 12 10:03:08 it is pretty awesome.. wish i got one sooner Feb 12 10:03:21 and so far my usb port hasnt snapped off ;) Feb 12 10:03:29 qwazix: you need to help drive migration now Feb 12 10:03:34 i do miss the maemo type stuff Feb 12 10:03:43 qwazix: I'm offline Feb 12 10:03:44 like telepathy Feb 12 10:03:50 :( Feb 12 10:04:00 DocScrutinizer51, ok, what should I do? Feb 12 10:04:03 and xterm heh Feb 12 10:04:38 check mail, drive server shipping with warfare and Eero Feb 12 10:05:02 warfare: you got 'the papers'? Feb 12 10:05:40 DocScrutinizer51: not yet. Feb 12 10:06:12 talk with the iphh guy? Feb 12 10:07:04 DocScrutinizer51: also not yet, work got in the way. Feb 12 10:07:24 DocScrutinizer51, can't see any mail, latest regarding server was about nameservers 21h ago Feb 12 10:07:39 np, please keep qwazix up to date (me in 'copy') Feb 12 10:07:47 DocScrutinizer51: will do :) Feb 12 10:08:38 warfare: can you explain grassroot to qwazix ? Feb 12 10:09:09 IRC copy Feb 12 10:27:42 DocScrutinizer51: I'll do, but not here :) Feb 12 10:27:46 qwazix: how to pass a color as a parameter to the fragment shader? Feb 12 10:30:31 warfare: sure thing :-) Feb 12 10:31:43 hm, apparently the scrollbar problem isn't only mine Feb 12 10:32:18 but i don't want to lose my .mozilla :( Feb 12 10:32:57 freemangordon: optified /usr/lib/microb-engine and /usr/share/microb-engine, now all my conversations in Conversations have a scrollbar - do you have any idea of what could've caused this? Feb 12 10:33:07 i don't know if it happened before the optification, i'm going to assume no Feb 12 10:35:13 freemangordon, I have no idea... Feb 12 12:01:01 hey fellas, I am now in the middle of replacing an N900 screen Feb 12 12:01:14 is there a good guide somewhere? Feb 12 12:01:37 I wonder how to detach the cable thing from the phone once I unscrewed it Feb 12 12:14:50 there are some great youtube videos for n900 dissassembly Feb 12 12:16:41 aap, okie, I found some. Now I have to figure out how to attach a new screen onto this clip thing ))) Feb 12 12:24:31 yay, I did it! Feb 12 12:25:24 cool! Feb 12 12:26:02 did you replace the display or just the digitizer? Feb 12 12:27:08 aap, what is a digitizer. Well, to explain without using terms, I unclipped the screen and clipped on another. So I did not take out the LCD panel or anything - I had a cable problem, the cable was torn Feb 12 12:27:45 louigi, the digitizer is the part your finger touches Feb 12 12:28:10 aap, ah, ok Feb 12 12:28:19 Well, I replaced the whole screen block Feb 12 12:29:15 I need to buy more N900 =))) Feb 12 12:30:08 same here. at least one more for backup hardware ;-) Feb 12 12:32:15 been looking on eBay for ones with easy faults here Feb 12 12:33:04 guys, I've installed CSSU yesterday. I don't seem to find a vlc player in the repos Feb 12 12:33:16 and the repo from vlc site does not connect Feb 12 12:39:04 louigi, go to talk.maemo.org and you'll see the warning about repositories down and how to set up the temporary ones. Feb 12 12:39:20 hm I don't think there's vlc in our repos at all Feb 12 12:39:23 though I could be wrong Feb 12 12:39:47 merlin1991, are there any repos I need to have except for the cssu one? Feb 12 12:39:54 "need", no Feb 12 12:40:03 but it makes sense to have maemo extras Feb 12 12:40:04 you might want one of extras, extras-testing or extras-devel Feb 12 12:40:06 aap, yeah, I saw that thread, will follow it up Feb 12 13:33:41 hrmpf, even with a cleaned .mozilla i still get the stupid scrollbars in Conversations Feb 12 13:44:00 ok, the scrollbars in Conversations aren't the optification's fault Feb 12 13:44:01 ...yay Feb 12 14:04:13 kerio: aren't scroll-bars there by default? Feb 12 14:04:20 no Feb 12 14:04:28 conversations are supposed to do kinetic scrolling Feb 12 14:05:07 i've the scrollbars too on my n900 w/o having done anything as such to get them but its still kinetic scrolling Feb 12 14:07:26 kerio: I've made it. I have cssu-testing. Problem wasn't lying in repos. I had some package installed, which was conflicting with something. In the end I prefer apt-get, because I would get this straight away and no additional checks are needed to find out about conflicts Feb 12 14:07:42 thedead1440: scrollbar with buttons? Feb 12 14:07:46 and that don't disappear? Feb 12 14:08:03 oh no buttons just scrollbars Feb 12 14:08:14 btw I cannot find, where kp52 is. I searched part of this thread you gave me, but still didn't find it. Feb 12 14:08:56 thedead1440: so those scrollbars do not disappear at all? Feb 12 14:09:01 that is most strange Feb 12 14:09:29 I am getting scrollbars, while scrolling, but they disappear after say 3 seconds Feb 12 14:10:02 let me try rebooting; been over a week since i last rebooted and its pretty laggy now :D Feb 12 14:13:17 WizardNumberNext: yup now they disappear after 3seconds Feb 12 14:13:56 looks like you had quite big memory-footprint Feb 12 14:13:58 i wonder why it required a reboot though Feb 12 14:14:02 a lot of swap Feb 12 14:14:04 yup maybe Feb 12 14:14:33 damn, swap is blessing and curst in one Feb 12 14:46:43 hah, decent PC Feb 12 14:47:04 now next step: decent OS for decent PC Feb 12 14:48:04 debian! Feb 12 14:49:44 DocScrutinizer51: remember to enable the "discard" option for filesystems on the ssd Feb 12 14:50:09 honestly, the distro label doesn't matter much to me Feb 12 14:50:28 yeah, stuff like that Feb 12 14:50:39 or: which kernel? Feb 12 14:50:44 XEN? Feb 12 14:51:00 i'm not even sure XEN is feasible, for desktops Feb 12 14:51:12 ??? Feb 12 14:51:55 just use kvm/virtualbox/vmware Feb 12 14:52:11 your cpu is a beast Feb 12 14:53:01 this is mostly a maemo PC Feb 12 14:53:25 I might want to test the XEN VM locally Feb 12 14:53:35 so run XEN in a virtual machine :) Feb 12 14:53:44 warfare: ^ Feb 12 14:53:57 bwahaha Feb 12 14:54:03 mh? Feb 12 14:54:22 please tell doc that xen on a desktop is quite the unnecessary hassle Feb 12 14:54:26 XEN for my PC? Feb 12 14:54:34 It is. Use kvm on your PC. Feb 12 14:54:40 ok Feb 12 14:54:47 warfare: what do you think of virtualbox? Feb 12 14:55:36 kerio: Works good enough, some collegues have issues on linux. Feb 12 14:56:06 VirtualBox works good out of the box, kvm might be some hassle for networking setup. Feb 12 14:56:20 warfare: btw, do you mean xen on kvm? because doc wanted xen for xen, not for virtualization Feb 12 14:56:57 kerio: xen could work on kvm. Feb 12 14:58:25 I thought I could run arbitrary xen disk image locally, for testing purposes Feb 12 14:58:29 hm is there any advantage of xen over kvm nowadays? Feb 12 14:58:43 merlin1991: xen is paravirtualization Feb 12 14:59:17 it's probably a bit more efficient Feb 12 14:59:22 and scales a lot Feb 12 14:59:39 hm kvm with virtio fun is similar though Feb 12 15:00:05 my display doesn't autodim anymore :-S Feb 12 15:00:22 DocScrutinizer51: your display doesn't need to autodim anymore! :-D Feb 12 15:00:34 :-P Feb 12 15:01:08 you mean since N900 is my primary device? Feb 12 15:01:09 merlin1991: direct hw access is also a thing Feb 12 15:01:20 DocScrutinizer51: i thought you were talking about your new desktop Feb 12 15:01:33 the one attached to an infinite power source Feb 12 15:01:37 meh Feb 12 15:03:07 hrrrrrr, asian chick next table Feb 12 15:03:26 8-P Feb 12 15:03:53 haha Feb 12 15:03:54 8 hours without a computer, ladies and gentlemen Feb 12 15:04:08 12 Feb 12 15:04:14 madness! Feb 12 15:10:21 grr, some sucker process blocking dimming. Will need to bootkill my uptime Feb 12 15:12:00 hi Feb 12 15:12:10 16:10:52 up 33 days, 15:57, D`: Feb 12 15:12:20 DocScrutinizer51: disable and reenable the dimming Feb 12 15:12:26 w00d0ng50: hi Feb 12 15:12:27 did Feb 12 15:12:36 change the dimming timer Feb 12 15:12:41 did Feb 12 15:12:44 stop and start mce Feb 12 15:12:49 aaah Feb 12 15:13:39 \o/ Feb 12 15:14:01 kerio: thanks Feb 12 15:15:13 lol, it helped once Feb 12 15:18:33 some sucker process sending wake-up events Feb 12 15:18:46 it dims and come back up Feb 12 15:19:59 xchat? Feb 12 15:21:27 yeah Feb 12 15:31:43 ~botsnack Feb 12 15:31:43 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 Feb 12 15:35:54 what would be the right sdk for maemo qt/qml app development these days? Feb 12 15:39:42 qt creator Feb 12 15:40:31 the easiest to get up running, just make sure to install the freemantle stuff Feb 12 15:40:42 i am well aware of qt creator, but that doesn't make up the full sdk, does it? Feb 12 15:41:31 not sure what else do you need, care to elaborate? Feb 12 15:41:54 have a link to "freemantle stuff"? Feb 12 15:44:14 its in the updater, add Maemo Toolchain component Feb 12 15:44:55 does it need a min version of qt creator? Feb 12 15:45:25 http://imgur.com/fKXwzYR Feb 12 15:46:19 I think its only included in the qt sdk distributed by nokia, but I'm not sure, you can probably configure it to use the toolchain with a newer version Feb 12 15:46:21 ok, so I actually need qt sdk from nokia, not just qt creator as supplied by i.e. debian squeeze, right? Feb 12 15:46:43 yea :) Feb 12 15:47:08 http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html Feb 12 15:49:44 scratchbox sdk also allows to develop with qt/qml afaik, I just find qt creator easier Feb 12 15:51:04 ok, i'll give qt sdk a try. just hope debian will like the ubuntu deb Feb 12 15:53:24 the qtsdk can be installed to your ~ dir, it should not conflict with system wide qt creator, I've only used it on ubuntu though Feb 12 15:54:15 well, right now nokia wants me to have an account before downloading the sdk :( Feb 12 15:54:38 :) Feb 12 15:55:35 I can give you the direct link I think Feb 12 15:55:44 if you want to avoid the account creation step Feb 12 15:56:09 i would if thats fine for them Feb 12 15:56:19 not sure if it would work though, I'll pm you one to test Feb 12 16:58:51 DocScrutinizer51: where's DocScrutinizerPC? Feb 12 17:28:31 who could help on a browserd issue? Feb 12 17:29:35 nokia Feb 12 17:29:37 * NIN101 hides. Feb 12 17:29:38 hahahahahahaha Feb 12 17:30:24 kerio: what did you say about SSD truncate? Feb 12 17:30:29 not truncate, trim Feb 12 17:30:36 where? how? Feb 12 17:30:41 "discard" in the mount options Feb 12 17:30:49 ext4 supports it Feb 12 17:30:53 i hope you've aligned your partition Feb 12 17:30:54 mhm Feb 12 17:31:02 err Feb 12 17:31:11 aligned on what? Feb 12 17:31:15 i explicitly reminded you, dammit >:( Feb 12 17:31:22 to the eraseblock Feb 12 17:31:40 4, 8, or maybe even 12MiB Feb 12 17:31:42 how dafaq I know those? Feb 12 17:32:13 I'm just about to configure my partitioning Feb 12 17:32:16 yay Feb 12 17:32:52 by the way, have you checked for updates to the ssd firmware? Feb 12 17:34:18 DocScrutinizer51: align your partitions to at least 4MiB Feb 12 17:34:39 and mount your filesystem with the "discard" option Feb 12 17:34:44 ext4 on linux 3 supports that Feb 12 17:35:11 (ssd)sda1 2,0G /boot; sda2 80,0G /; sda3 70,68G /ssd-aux; sda4 ext; sda5 10,0G swap Feb 12 17:35:23 DocScrutinizer51: yeah but where do they start? Feb 12 17:37:36 hm how does the triple led on the n900 work, are the leds variable in brightness? Feb 12 17:37:47 (hdd)sdb1 2,01G (unused); sdb2 20,0G /rescue-root; sdb3 880,50G /home; sdb4 ext; sdb5 16,0G swap Feb 12 17:38:01 merlin1991: sure Feb 12 17:39:19 kerio: sda /boot start 0 end 260 Feb 12 17:39:26 it can't start at 0 Feb 12 17:39:29 there's the MBR at 0 Feb 12 17:39:34 merlin1991: Is building new packages list for extras repo causing some issues? Feb 12 17:39:58 kerio: NFC Feb 12 17:40:16 n900-dk: building the list is a piece of cake, knowing how the system usually works and plugging it in at the right place is the problem Feb 12 17:40:20 kerio: I guess that's cyl Feb 12 17:40:41 and then there's the matter of what todo with the debs that don't match checksums anymore Feb 12 17:42:22 kerio: what about trim now? Feb 12 17:42:31 idk, use a different partitioner Feb 12 17:42:35 one that lets you see the bytes Feb 12 17:42:50 i mean, trim would still work Feb 12 17:42:57 just a bit more suboptimally Feb 12 17:43:07 add the "discard" mount option to every ext4 partition Feb 12 17:43:44 merlin1991: hmm, doesn't sound to good. Can we do anything to help you? Feb 12 17:44:04 (and notice that trim means that a certain time after you deleted a file, it's actually irrecoverable) Feb 12 17:44:37 kerio: sda? intel ssdsc2ct18 cyl:21889 size-cyl:7.84MB Feb 12 17:45:00 n900-dk: I basically have to wait untill we get that "knowledge transfer" from nemein, so I can ask questions about the repos and builder Feb 12 17:45:09 there are no cylinders on a ssd! >:( Feb 12 17:45:14 use sectors for partitioning Feb 12 17:45:51 merlin1991: ok Feb 12 17:48:03 DocScrutinizer51: it's going to matter so very little Feb 12 17:48:13 but the partition alignment isn't something that you can easily change afterwards Feb 12 17:56:25 could someone look up for me if kernel cmdline parameter splash=nosplash is correct? Feb 12 17:56:54 DocScrutinizer51: just nosplash, as far as i can see Feb 12 17:57:37 instead of splash= and quiet ? Feb 12 17:57:48 hm, possibly even just not specifying anything Feb 12 17:57:50 but yeah Feb 12 17:58:07 in other news, i still can't figure out wtf happened to my Conversations Feb 12 17:58:08 and when Feb 12 17:58:29 because undoing the changes and restoring my .mozilla from a backup didn't help Feb 12 18:03:50 i assume that the problem started happening at some point in the past and i didn't notice Feb 12 18:06:10 yay Feb 12 18:06:12 libmaliit1_0.81.2.1-1+0m5_armel.deb qt-components-10_1.0-pre2-1+0m5_armel.deb MD5Sum mismatch Feb 12 18:06:24 why are you happy? Feb 12 18:07:14 everything fails, so I'm trying to be happy :D Feb 12 18:10:38 hm, some dude actually had the same problem: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3175 Feb 12 18:25:41 I did 3 hot-swaps of battery. 2 of them successful! 3rd unsuccessful, maybe because display was off. Feb 12 18:32:36 ok, this will take 3h now Feb 12 18:32:54 wait, what? Feb 12 18:33:01 * DocScrutinizer51 curses 2Mb DSL Feb 12 18:33:07 ooooh Feb 12 18:33:09 netinst? Feb 12 18:33:24 yup Feb 12 18:33:29 which distro? Feb 12 18:33:35 suse Feb 12 18:33:38 ._. Feb 12 18:33:50 doc you must be joking - I wouldn't do netinst even on 10mbps Feb 12 18:33:58 WizardNumberNext: why? Feb 12 18:34:04 at some point you have to download that shit anyway Feb 12 18:34:08 actually never did it below 50mbps Feb 12 18:34:24 yeah, but I prefer to be able to use my desktop Feb 12 18:34:57 without OS I can't use my desktop Feb 12 18:35:15 that's why last time I ever installed any OS on bare metal was rawly 1 year ago and I did it only, bcause it was laptop Feb 12 18:35:43 not counting this one last time was 5 years ago Feb 12 18:35:44 DocScrutinizer51: to be fair you could've just cloned your laptop Feb 12 18:36:13 well, when you got bare metal, you gonna install OS to bare metal Feb 12 18:36:55 no, I install OS on HDD, I don't have to do it on machine, which would be running that OS Feb 12 18:37:17 burp Feb 12 18:37:34 got no other machine to plug tht SSD in Feb 12 18:37:54 meh Feb 12 18:37:59 cheat! Feb 12 18:38:02 it runs unattended Feb 12 18:38:19 then plug laptop drive to desktop and install from ther Feb 12 18:40:12 look, this PC isn't useable right now. Why should I bother with first downloading stuff while the PC is 'dead', and then waste additional time on running the installation? Feb 12 18:40:13 actually, if I remeber right first time I installed OS under hyper-visor for bare-matel was back in nov 2007 and after that I seriously avoid installing on bare-metal Feb 12 18:40:37 clone then Feb 12 18:40:54 clone friggin what? Feb 12 18:40:54 heh debian-testing installing only takes about hm 2 to 3 hrs? (at least with my connection) Feb 12 18:41:08 and look into /var/cache/apt - it might save you some time Feb 12 18:41:58 merlin - it takes me rawly 10-15 minutes, but I have images on server Feb 12 18:44:09 well I neither have images nor a local mirror, I just have a netinst disc and hours of fun Feb 12 18:44:41 exactly like me Feb 12 18:44:56 and then after 3 hours you realize it installed gnome3 and go fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Feb 12 18:45:11 I eventually whiped the disk because cleaning that package mess was no fun Feb 12 18:45:39 WizardNumberNext: debootstrap in one window, pr0n on another? Feb 12 18:46:10 pr0n? Feb 12 18:46:21 ~pr0n Feb 12 18:46:22 pr0n! Feb 12 18:46:35 hm infobot needs more factoids it seems Feb 12 18:46:41 nfc what is it Feb 12 18:46:44 I think it's another latte here Feb 12 18:46:52 WizardNumberNext: swap letter 2 and 3 Feb 12 18:47:04 hehehe Feb 12 18:47:12 ~listkeys pr0n Feb 12 18:47:13 Factoid search of 'pr0n' by key (9): penguin pr0n ;; perlow pr0n ;; pr0n #DEL# ;; send me pr0n ;; pr0n-get ;; pr0n.asterisk.org ;; libpr0n ;; pr0n.sf.net ;; bot pr0n. Feb 12 18:47:26 too many windows - I already lost where pr0n is! Feb 12 18:47:50 ~bot pr0n Feb 12 18:47:50 get out racheal and find the puncture repair kit! Feb 12 18:48:21 $ du -hsx .pr0n Feb 12 18:48:21 161G .pr0n Feb 12 18:48:28 i'm not sure whether to feel ashamed or proud Feb 12 18:48:37 both! Feb 12 18:49:15 you feel ashamed with your mind, proud with your hand Feb 12 18:49:26 3.9 of initially 4.5G remaining Feb 12 18:49:58 time is definitely passing Feb 12 18:51:11 actually, i also don't know if i feel more ashamed of 249G MAME 0.148 CHDs/ Feb 12 18:51:12 doc give me package list and lest see who would be first. You downloading binaries, or me downloading sources and compiling them Feb 12 18:51:26 since this SSD and CPU are real beasts, the installation after download of a pkg takes ~0.01s Feb 12 18:51:39 DocScrutinizer51: have you aligned your partitions? Feb 12 18:51:45 impossiblle! Feb 12 18:51:47 and set ridiculously unsafe options? Feb 12 18:51:59 WizardNumberNext: also 8G of ram, that data probably never touched the SSD Feb 12 18:52:14 decompressing would take ages compared to that figure Feb 12 18:52:24 WizardNumberNext: quad-core i5 3.2GHz Feb 12 18:53:05 so I have k10h hexa-core 3.2GHz Feb 12 18:53:58 actually I even don't remeber actual clocking at the moment as I boosted ref clock from 200MHz to 235MHz Feb 12 18:54:52 3047MHz Feb 12 18:56:20 but memory would be running at 468.769MHz Feb 12 18:56:42 so it is much faster now, then on stock Feb 12 18:58:28 both HT and IMC are running 2578MHz instead of 2000MHz. It gives quite nice boost, as L3 chache is inside IMC Feb 12 18:58:41 well, for new this box feels fast enough for me Feb 12 18:58:42 s/chache/cache/ Feb 12 18:58:42 WizardNumberNext meant: both HT and IMC are running 2578MHz instead of 2000MHz. It gives quite nice boost, as L3 cache is inside IMC Feb 12 18:59:29 I was hunting my CPU for half year and got it from USA at fraction of price, so it is best deal I could possibly make at the time Feb 12 19:00:34 I got it 2 weeks after price of 1090T risen from 170GBP to 210GBP. It costed me 127GBP with shipping. IT is used one from rendering farm. Feb 12 19:03:33 trying to get pulseaudio to work from inside chroot, I share /etc/pulse /tmp /var/run/pulse /var/{run,lib}/dbus, but still no avail Feb 12 19:06:42 you'll need /dev Feb 12 19:07:06 that's shared too Feb 12 19:08:20 ok, 50min/GB, 3.5 left Feb 12 19:08:38 I have strace of pactl info failing, but I see no apparent cause Feb 12 19:13:05 minute, installing wgetpaste, then I'll provide relevant info Feb 12 19:13:33 or should I head to #pulseaudio instead? Feb 12 19:16:02 nm, that's 'installed size', not download Feb 12 19:20:31 http://bpaste.net/show/76855 strace Feb 12 19:21:09 http://bpaste.net/show/76856 chroot script Feb 12 19:25:03 do I need specific pulse version? Feb 12 20:47:31 timeless: you worked on microb, right? do you still remember things about it? Feb 12 20:47:48 yes Feb 12 20:48:15 what about the rtcom/browserd interaction? Feb 12 20:49:15 my conversations in Conversations are shown with a scrollbar, the kind that has buttons and a slider Feb 12 20:49:24 and dragging selects text instead of scrolling Feb 12 20:49:37 and i don't even remotely know what could've caused it or how to debug it Feb 12 20:51:23 iirc they chose to have a different mode Feb 12 20:52:24 hrmpf Feb 12 20:56:29 anybody here use tracphone? Feb 12 21:01:38 to be fair, it's probably my fault Feb 12 21:01:42 but it happened to other people too Feb 12 21:03:42 timeless: does this look familiar? https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3175 Feb 12 21:03:54 the scrollbar on the right Feb 12 21:04:57 yes Feb 12 21:10:54 \o/ Feb 12 21:11:05 we have our easily-tabcompletable guru back! Feb 12 21:13:56 hi fans Feb 12 21:14:02 :-) Feb 12 21:14:25 i can't remember too many of the details Feb 12 21:14:36 oh, hi timeless Feb 12 21:14:36 sp3000 (who isn't around anymore) may remember better Feb 12 21:14:44 unfortunately, my n900 screen died a bit ago Feb 12 21:15:53 timeless: :( Feb 12 21:16:08 the thing is, i could try to bisect my backups Feb 12 21:16:13 but i don't know when it started happening Feb 12 21:16:22 (i don't really check my messages that often) Feb 12 21:16:58 dang, this $HOME on laptop been 88GB Feb 12 21:17:15 DocScrutinizer: did you put your home on the ssd? Feb 12 21:17:22 copying, ETA 3:20 Feb 12 21:17:28 nopre Feb 12 21:17:58 in my book a SSD is for read-mostly Feb 12 21:18:34 ...your ssd has like 30000 4k writes per second Feb 12 21:19:12 if it wasn't a pain in the ass, i'd only use my mechanical drive for "long-term" storage of big things Feb 12 21:19:32 whatever, bottleneck is either the 2.5" HDD of laptop, or the USB adapter Feb 12 21:19:47 hm, why didn't you mount the hd inside? Feb 12 21:20:07 I didn't feel like Feb 12 21:20:26 but... moar storage! Feb 12 21:20:44 meh, I want to eventually fix the T500 fan Feb 12 21:21:07 I got another 2TB disk here Feb 12 21:21:10 for backup Feb 12 21:21:24 completely empty yet Feb 12 21:21:59 nooooow, what been the really important channels to join? Feb 12 21:23:43 Time: 0:17.37 ETA 1:55.01 (11.31 MB/s) │ │ │ Feb 12 21:24:09 11? wtf Feb 12 21:24:18 i get more from my crappy self-made NAS Feb 12 21:24:23 :shrug: prolly lots of small files Feb 12 21:24:35 the disk is singing ;-) Feb 12 21:25:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ Feb 12 21:25:48 hard drive speakers at 1:40 in, but the whole song is beautiful Feb 12 21:26:26 250k of 830k files copied Feb 12 21:30:13 meh, the FF doesn't play video, just audio Feb 12 21:30:35 no flash player? Feb 12 21:34:16 FUUUUUUUUUCK! .xsession-errors 33.8GB Feb 12 21:34:23 hahahahahahaha Feb 12 21:39:51 at least this allowed for a semi-decent transfer rate: 34MB/s Feb 12 21:44:15 I feel like im slowly getting retardet, but 100 MegaBit to KilyByte is x 1024 / 8 right? Feb 12 21:44:40 (flash) another 450 packages to install as dependencies and 470 updates, in system update. One of them is flashplayer Feb 12 21:45:07 100Mbit ~= 10MB Feb 12 21:45:09 wtf Feb 12 21:45:25 flash on debian is only like 5 packages Feb 12 21:45:39 nah, global system update Feb 12 21:46:06 "findutils: make find by inode work again" etc pp Feb 12 21:46:57 was at least my mental process right? (bit toy byte divide by 8 and mega to kilo multiply by 1024) Feb 12 21:47:02 I rather wonder WTF to do with 33GB of .xsession-error Feb 12 21:47:06 merlin1991: yeah Feb 12 21:47:14 DocScrutinizer: it could be important! read it all! Feb 12 21:47:21 I might read it til the end of my life Feb 12 21:47:57 or do a performance test of this PC, using sort and uniq Feb 12 21:48:17 might need more swap ;-P Feb 12 21:49:14 or I use COBOL sort, it can jandle such monsters easily Feb 12 21:49:27 handle* Feb 12 21:49:43 the latest message is probably "argh, my balls are on fire" Feb 12 21:50:00 kerio: nah http://xkcd.com/1172/ Feb 12 21:50:08 poor t500 :( Feb 12 21:50:26 but when it's cold, I always use sort + uniq on huge files to warm my fingers! Feb 12 21:50:39 * kerio has his fans locked at 6000rpm Feb 12 21:50:46 and it's still kinda hot Feb 12 21:51:09 rotfl Feb 12 21:51:24 there's probably a lot of dust Feb 12 21:51:31 but really, crappy air flow :s Feb 12 21:51:38 indeed Feb 12 21:51:46 hm fans at 1300 rpm, and temp is ~40 on cpu and gpu Feb 12 21:51:57 kerio: you're doing something wrong ;) Feb 12 21:51:59 T500??? Feb 12 21:52:25 not to mention, if i don't lock the fans at 6000, the temp reported by... the cpu, i think? gets higher than 100°C Feb 12 21:52:39 but apparently osx is ok with that Feb 12 21:52:45 :D Feb 12 21:53:08 hm I guess the main reason for my cool case is the 240mm fan it has on the top :D Feb 12 21:53:24 my whole computer is thinner than that :s Feb 12 21:53:58 it's nice and quiet and keeps my quad core at decent temperatures :) Feb 12 22:02:28 hm wondering what my upload is on hetzner so I can limit the http server to decent rates, any ideas how to test the upload (i only have this one server) Feb 12 22:14:35 oooh FSCK! syslog [kernel] journal commit IO-error Feb 12 22:19:38 IO error... bad news... Feb 12 22:39:24 hm time to break my system Feb 12 22:39:30 apt-get dist-upgrade on debian testing Feb 12 22:41:09 what, 100 degrees? That can't be good long term. Feb 12 22:41:46 right now it's 47 Feb 12 22:41:46 my core duo laptop (old, 6 years) goes over a 100 every evening. Feb 12 22:41:48 with max fans Feb 12 22:42:39 granted, I use it in bed, resting on the covers, so it must be full of dust and nicotine, and covers don't usually provide good airflow. Feb 12 22:42:51 +1 -nicotine Feb 12 22:43:08 also... Feb 12 22:43:14 I'm kind of hoping it dies Feb 12 22:43:28 Just so I have an excuse to buy a new fancy one :) Feb 12 22:43:33 xes: fix your interwebs. Feb 12 22:44:02 :) Feb 12 22:45:19 I wouldn't be happy with >40 odd degrees long term. Feb 12 22:51:34 teotwaki: i was testing an xchat build inside my n900... not so bad, not so good Feb 12 22:52:44 k, remount ro might help with this journal write IO error Feb 12 22:52:58 hello Feb 12 22:53:53 does someone has jebba's kernel? from here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel Feb 12 22:54:30 DocScrutinizer: how is going the "resurrection" of your pc? Feb 12 22:54:46 i cant download it from his site, because site is down Feb 12 22:57:31 installing on new minitower I5 worked fine, now copying old $HOME ober from laptop HDD Feb 12 22:58:17 mail will get harder, since kmail2 is unusable, need to install kdepim3 Feb 12 22:59:26 DocScrutinizer: just use mutt like real men do Feb 12 22:59:34 meh Feb 12 22:59:47 also, give us some benchmarks! Feb 12 22:59:51 telnet and hexeditor Feb 12 23:00:23 benchmark of what? Feb 12 23:01:27 nice! So the old one was completely dead... What have you bought? bench? hdparm! Feb 12 23:02:57 xes: don' have my environment, user, bookmarks here yet. So probably best is you look chanlog for what I bought Feb 12 23:03:42 kkcomputer.de BS-07HD+SSD Feb 12 23:04:12 old one was completely fine, except the fan not spinning Feb 12 23:04:39 darn those seized fans... Feb 12 23:05:01 for a T500 that's a severe problem Feb 12 23:05:33 * eccerr0r had a psu fan seize, and the psu fried... luckily was repairable... Feb 12 23:06:01 ohne os... good choice! Feb 12 23:06:23 I'm playing dice, I oiled the fan's bearings and replaced the cooked inductor and capacitors... someday I'll put in a new fan... Feb 12 23:08:20 I'm not watching this roulette now anymore, ETA for copy again at 1:16, I'm afk for a beer Feb 12 23:10:47 I hope this time - since disk is mounted ro - it won't cause knotify spam my screen with 300MB worth of notfiers saying "syslog [kernel] writing journal IO error" Feb 12 23:10:59 DocScrutinizer: nope Feb 12 23:11:07 mounting ext4 ro will still write Feb 12 23:11:11 psu... there is an easy way to forget that every pc requires a psu. Buy a Fsp psu (MTBF 100K hours!!) Feb 12 23:11:26 you have to mount it with either noload or nojournal, can't remember which Feb 12 23:11:29 kerio: WUT? Feb 12 23:11:39 read-only is for the user side only Feb 12 23:11:49 it'll still replay the journal to fix inconsistencies Feb 12 23:11:53 DAFAQ! Feb 12 23:12:22 don't complain to me, read the fine manual instead! :P Feb 12 23:12:52 well, it didn't replay journal on mounting, I just don't want it to update atimes of 500k files Feb 12 23:13:03 y u no noatime Feb 12 23:13:20 since ro should imply noatime Feb 12 23:13:23 i wonder if there's a sysctl to disable atime everywhere Feb 12 23:13:35 DocScrutinizer: oh, it most definetely does Feb 12 23:35:24 meh, ~50% done Feb 12 23:38:20 ~botsnack Feb 12 23:38:21 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Feb 12 23:38:30 DocScrutinizer: i wish that the disk is not a seagate. In the latest months their firmware have more bugs than bytes Feb 12 23:39:47 I don't think it is seagate,not sure though Feb 12 23:42:27 SST9500325AS Feb 12 23:42:45 sounds like seagate Feb 12 23:42:48 yep Feb 12 23:43:25 :( Feb 12 23:44:24 Model: "TOSHIBA DT01ACA1" Feb 12 23:44:41 the sst is the T500 disk I'm just copying from Feb 12 23:45:16 ah....is this the source of io errors?? Feb 12 23:45:25 basically yes Feb 12 23:46:05 I guess it had a large journal with all the atimes Feb 12 23:46:15 now it's mounted ro Feb 12 23:47:50 and there's that cheap USB<->SATA adaper in between Feb 12 23:48:00 i have fixed most of segate disks with a firmware update... without that updates, read errors, heads "clicks" and then....not detected Feb 12 23:48:43 there is a way to block writes to any device on linux Feb 12 23:50:30 damn, EAT counting up instead down Feb 12 23:50:35 ETA* Feb 12 23:50:55 1:40 \o/ Feb 12 23:51:13 1:40.30 Feb 12 23:51:30 1:41 Feb 12 23:51:42 another warning... usb-sata adapter fix trasfer errors with some kind of crc correction ... that often fails (generating different files! ) Feb 12 23:52:12 1:42 Feb 12 23:52:41 oh fsck Feb 12 23:52:59 1:43 Feb 12 23:53:35 1:44 MEH! Feb 12 23:58:05 Time: 1:08.51 ETA 1:50.26 (8.36 MB/s) Feb 13 00:00:30 commenting to xes and seagates, looks like nothing has changed in few years then. I used to use seagate drives exclusively, until one day my raid-5 blew up, first one drive, and after replacement the two other died at the same time. approx 6 months lifetime. few months forward, and I lose 2 es more on a different machine. Feb 13 00:01:20 Waiting for mysql to reindex 30GB of data is painfully slow. Especially at 1AM. When you start work again at 8. Feb 13 00:01:44 lol Feb 13 00:02:01 hope you get paid for overtime Feb 13 00:02:31 I did 30 hours of overtime this weekend alone. Feb 13 00:02:44 the worst thing is that most of the firmware updates are hidden an not available to end users: btw, here you can make a try: https://apps1.seagate.com/downloads/request.html Feb 13 00:04:44 Time: 1:15.34 ETA 2:00.29 (7.65 MB/s) \o/ Feb 13 00:05:27 have you ever noticed Feb 13 00:05:33 after looking at the \o/ smiley Feb 13 00:05:51 that lol looks like a guy holding his hands up, like he's being pointed at with a gun? Feb 13 00:06:06 yeah Feb 13 00:06:16 and depending on your font Feb 13 00:06:22 he looks slightly egyptian. Feb 13 00:06:41 weird font Feb 13 00:06:55 LOL Feb 13 00:07:58 DocScrutinizer: how's your C? Feb 13 00:08:05 or C++/PHP for that matter? Feb 13 00:08:13 eta 2:05, this thing asymptotically approaching infinite runtime Feb 13 00:08:24 poor Feb 13 00:08:34 C a lil better Feb 13 00:08:36 do you know the --> operator? Feb 13 00:08:42 not really Feb 13 00:08:55 int i = 10; while (i --> 0) printf("%d\n", i); Feb 13 00:09:36 prints 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 Feb 13 00:09:40 I hate ambiguous poerators Feb 13 00:10:22 while (i-- >0) vs (i -->o) Feb 13 00:10:45 I still find it fantastic. Feb 13 00:10:50 i-- is >0 Feb 13 00:11:00 Some guy posted it on stackoverflow Feb 13 00:11:06 actually made it to reddit and everything Feb 13 00:11:15 I know how it works Feb 13 00:11:22 I just find it beautiful. Feb 13 00:11:28 I've spent a lot of time looking at those operators Feb 13 00:13:31 I also think it's pretty useless, since it does _not_ print 10 Feb 13 00:14:16 while (i > 0) printf("%d\n", i--); Feb 13 00:14:51 waaay clearer to me Feb 13 00:15:18 and does 10..1 instead 9..0 Feb 13 00:16:09 :) Feb 13 00:16:23 the real point of interest is evaluate how many "forma mentis" are usual for someone and unusual for some other...the paths of our brain Feb 13 00:16:31 there's worse Feb 13 00:16:38 c-coder sickness, always they try to find funny obfuscated code Feb 13 00:18:39 int i = 10; Feb 13 00:18:39 while (i --\ Feb 13 00:18:39 \ // while i Feb 13 00:18:39 \ // goes down Feb 13 00:18:39 \ // towards Feb 13 00:18:40 \ // 0 Feb 13 00:18:42 \> 0) Feb 13 00:18:44 printf("%d\n", i); Feb 13 00:19:01 I sometimes am absolutely sure the coder of a particular code line must have worked 30 min to omit that one char and had an orgasm when he finally found the "solution" Feb 13 00:19:04 (sorry for the flood) Feb 13 00:20:17 teotwaki: you seen "when CCDIs get bored"? Feb 13 00:20:23 nope Feb 13 00:20:31 hang on, lemme find my worst obfuscation Feb 13 00:22:03 DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.ca/2313253 Feb 13 00:23:23 The idea was to get a job applicant to understand what the code did without the use of a compiler. Feb 13 00:24:27 turns out not many people liked the challenge, some of them even left during the interview. Feb 13 00:26:03 damn, they nuked traceroute -m80 216.81.59.173 Feb 13 00:30:06 I'd leave too Feb 13 00:34:09 it's kinda like asking for the result after 50 cycles of a arbitrary complex game_of_life setup Feb 13 00:35:35 Skry: that's only your fault, everyone knows to never use same drives in raid Feb 13 00:35:52 Skry: every manufacturer has bugs in firmware or problems with some batches Feb 13 00:35:58 I however might keep this little gem, for testing prettyprinters Feb 13 00:36:10 jacekowski: my thoughts exactly. Feb 13 00:36:13 http://rwerber.tumblr.com/post/42707829171/star-wars-traceroute Feb 13 00:36:28 zl2tod: thanks :-D Feb 13 00:36:30 i've recently hit strange bug on samsung HD204UI drives Feb 13 00:36:37 i've had raid with 2 of those Feb 13 00:36:53 and both got kicked out of raid within 30s of each other Feb 13 00:37:18 after 60 days of uptime Feb 13 00:40:09 fsck! /home/jr/.local/share/akon~ata/akonadi/parttable.ibd Feb 13 00:41:39 zl2tod: shame it's down. Feb 13 00:54:26 jacekowski: yeah, true. raid5 was a bad idea too, but then again, it was used for backups of not that critical data and the budget was minimal. I still think that 6 out of 6, of mixed models, going down even with upgraded firmware, is pretty bad. Feb 13 00:58:48 LOL... Time: 2:09.29 ETA 1:57.53 (6.06 MB/s) Feb 13 00:59:05 teotwaki, redirects to http://beaglenetworks.net/post/42707829171/star-wars-traceroute Feb 13 00:59:24 zl2tod: no, I meant the traceroute itself Feb 13 00:59:37 damn, they nuked traceroute -m80 216.81.59.173 Feb 13 00:59:46 Ok Feb 13 00:59:50 index rebuilt Feb 13 01:00:27 now again, tell me why the fuck I, as lead software engineer, am rebuilding database indices instead of having some sysop do that in the middle of the night like they're supposed to? Feb 13 01:01:21 still copying /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data/* crap Feb 13 01:01:38 ~nuke akonadi Feb 13 01:01:38 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at akonadi ... B☢☢M! Feb 13 01:01:51 teotwaki: because you have the right "touch"? :) Feb 13 01:02:19 well, they're going to feel my wrathy touch tomorrow morning alright. Feb 13 01:05:36 DocScrutinizer: http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles/fwsh40en.txt Feb 13 01:08:38 Hi Feb 13 01:09:04 well Feb 13 01:09:13 finally figured out how to set up this damn dun on a tf101 Feb 13 01:09:21 stupid android and its lack of dun support Feb 13 01:09:38 had to install some app called bluevpn Feb 13 01:09:47 i wonder how fast it can download heh Feb 13 01:10:02 Can not update my n900 Feb 13 01:11:14 I'm trying to fix at the moment Feb 13 01:12:36 wow it is slow as it can be Feb 13 01:12:44 i'm topping out at 34K/s lol Feb 13 01:15:13 I managed to update it now Feb 13 01:18:00 How to setup dun on on my Nokia N 900 Feb 13 01:20:05 I tried to do it through this bluetooth app but it never works Feb 13 01:28:35 Very quiet in here Feb 13 01:30:47 alas Feb 13 01:31:11 ideally the traffic would have moved to #n950 Feb 13 01:31:15 but... Feb 13 01:32:20 heh Feb 13 01:32:33 technojabber: you have to install the support Feb 13 01:32:46 i remember having to do it...and managing to get it working but i can't remember how Feb 13 01:32:49 it has been quite a while Feb 13 01:32:58 i usually just set up the wifi hotspot stuff Feb 13 01:33:14 android not doing ad hoc is annoying Feb 13 01:33:36 Ok Feb 13 01:34:35 Does anyone know what other phones run the memo os Feb 13 01:35:13 I mean maemo os Feb 13 01:36:36 the n900 is the only one Feb 13 01:36:57 (except some development models maybe) Feb 13 01:37:10 Ok Feb 13 01:37:34 What about the n800 Feb 13 01:37:45 no Feb 13 01:37:53 it's not a phone Feb 13 01:38:09 plus, it runs the earlier very different version Feb 13 01:38:23 I see Feb 13 01:38:28 and the hardware is looking very, very dated capacity wise Feb 13 01:39:03 only the n701 (or whats the type?) is worse :P Feb 13 01:39:14 Is it none usable Feb 13 01:39:37 N770 Feb 13 01:39:47 Well, it all depends on what you want Feb 13 01:40:03 If you're doing anything web-wise, I'd not go with anything less than the N900 Feb 13 01:40:29 For an Arduino output device or something... Feb 13 01:40:50 Are they becoming redundant Feb 13 01:41:22 The N series Feb 13 01:41:30 Uh, I don't understand Feb 13 01:41:52 the N company becoming redundant :) Feb 13 01:42:16 Nokia... is already practically dead. MS assured us of that Feb 13 01:42:43 I still use my N900 for media/ebook/light web usage/SSH(remote control), but admittedly it's getting long in the tooth. I can't find anything better, though Feb 13 01:43:00 Have no nokia a future Feb 13 01:43:29 Until they give up on Windows Phone(not likely for now), they're screwed Feb 13 01:43:37 *nobody* likes Microsoft products. Feb 13 01:44:19 The Nokia N 900 has a very cool FM transmit transmitter Feb 13 01:44:36 Yes Feb 13 01:44:44 Not that powerful, but very cool Feb 13 01:45:28 Consider, though, that you can get cheap FM transmitters that just plug into /any/ device via the audio port cheaply, so... Feb 13 01:45:32 I transmit stuff from it to my car stereo Feb 13 01:46:29 I think it has a radius of about 2 feet Feb 13 01:46:44 I used to, then I replaced my stereo with a $20 amplifier off Ebay. Feb 13 01:47:21 I can even transmit internet radio Feb 13 01:48:20 The question is, why use FM, which is low-quality, when you can just use an auxilary input? Feb 13 01:48:59 its hard to override a FM station .. but when you find some free frequency and you figure out where its best to place then it can send farer away Feb 13 01:49:17 up to 5m works, 2m with good quality Feb 13 01:49:38 My car stereo has a USB port Feb 13 01:49:45 problem is that the Car hifi antenna is most commonly outside Feb 13 01:50:00 sometimes it works to place the n900 close to the device itself Feb 13 01:50:33 several ways I can input media Feb 13 01:52:31 When your transmit internet radio via the n900 FM Feb 13 01:53:00 perfectly clear Feb 13 01:53:43 Better then DAB Feb 13 01:56:37 FM transmitter is just of the things I like about that phone Feb 13 01:57:10 And it air crack app Feb 13 02:08:24 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/02/12/176250/6700-phone-uses-android-instead-of-windows Feb 13 02:08:43 muaha .. even ventu leaves the boat **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:58 2013