**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 02:59:58 2013 Feb 20 05:47:31 [sidenote] Wed, 20.02.2013 02:30 h SCHKEUDITZ, Germany - Departed Facility in SCHKEUDITZ Feb 20 06:33:23 hm Feb 20 06:33:46 have a mkv that wont play on my e7 :/ Feb 20 06:33:57 what a let down Feb 20 08:02:14 DocScrutinizer05: what's that? Feb 20 08:07:28 special package on the move :) Feb 20 08:24:16 Wed, 20.02.2013 08:23 h Hamburg, Germany Shipment has arrived at delivery location Feb 20 08:40:56 warfare: can the tracking number be made public? Feb 20 08:41:02 ...wtf did i write Feb 20 08:41:16 i can't english D: Feb 20 08:42:00 Well I don't know what a tracking number is, but it does make sense, somewhat :) Feb 20 08:45:36 Aoyagi_joytop: the string you put in the shipping company's website Feb 20 08:45:41 to reach a page that you refresh every 2 seconds Feb 20 08:45:49 that tells you where the package is Feb 20 08:50:58 Oh that Feb 20 08:51:43 kerio: I can't put it in the rack before friday, so no need to refresh every two seconds. Feb 20 08:52:04 ;) Feb 20 08:52:26 :( Feb 20 08:53:26 I'll have to take a day off work for that and I have to plan ahead a bit. Feb 20 08:56:39 hm, couldn't you do it saturday? Feb 20 08:56:48 so you don't lose a day of vacation Feb 20 09:01:23 hi Feb 20 09:01:28 i just bought a nokia n900 Feb 20 09:01:32 it hasn't arrived yet Feb 20 09:01:49 i have been waiting this long for the price to go down =) Feb 20 09:02:11 :D Feb 20 09:02:17 alec__: how much did you pay? condition? Feb 20 09:02:27 and where? Feb 20 09:03:22 $190 brand new shipped from hong kong, kerio Feb 20 09:03:29 brand new? neat Feb 20 09:03:34 hong kong is great for that Feb 20 09:03:39 i bought my last phone IN hong kong Feb 20 09:03:46 it was also 2-3 years old at the time Feb 20 09:03:56 inb4 n900 imitation Feb 20 09:04:07 lol Feb 20 09:04:12 they exist Feb 20 09:04:25 do they? Feb 20 09:04:45 Estel_: could you link those photos of the n900 imitations, if you still have them bookmarked? Feb 20 09:06:15 going to sleeplurk now... got lots of classes tomorrow Feb 20 09:06:18 night Feb 20 09:48:54 are those imitations worth anything, hardware etc? Feb 20 10:02:33 Skry: nope Feb 20 10:12:47 kerio: saturday is OS install day Feb 20 10:13:27 DocScrutinizer05: s/saturday/friday/ ;) Feb 20 10:15:35 and on the seventh day Warfare ended his work? Feb 20 10:20:00 hrmpf, my n900 is using 22mAh to idle Feb 20 10:23:55 kerio: I don't want to spend seven days locked away in a datacenter. Our last datacenter move was sufficient. Feb 20 10:24:27 It took us 2 days until everything was up & running again. And we had to do this with 2 DCs ;) Feb 20 10:43:09 my n900 stopped booting :-( backupmenu still works luckily but when I try to boot maemo it freezes in nokia screen or "Booting from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)" Feb 20 10:43:38 well, what did you do? Feb 20 10:43:46 :P Feb 20 10:44:07 not aware of anything serious since last boot Feb 20 10:44:17 unless you count changing gui theme :] Feb 20 10:45:07 repartitioning mmc & installing power kernel I've rebooted since and it worked Feb 20 10:45:26 updates? Feb 20 10:46:10 I'm not aware of it but it's possible, it's been running for quite a while Feb 20 10:46:44 is it possible to trace the boot process, say using the usb as serial out? Feb 20 10:46:58 ccxCZ: hm, i'm not entirely sure Feb 20 10:47:05 do you have syslog installed and enabled? Feb 20 10:47:31 yes, it should be Feb 20 10:47:50 boot from rescueOS, read the syslog Feb 20 10:52:00 i fucking love rescueOS Feb 20 10:55:00 hmm, can't login to backupmenu's ssh. what's the proper link to rescueOS? Feb 20 10:55:08 ~rescueOS Feb 20 10:55:09 somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Feb 20 10:55:15 hm, 404 Feb 20 10:55:34 mirror at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/ Feb 20 10:55:57 hm, wut Feb 20 10:56:09 DocScrutinizer05: rescueOS isn't accessible from your server Feb 20 10:56:26 err Feb 20 10:56:29 hm? Feb 20 10:56:36 that's not 404, that's connection error Feb 20 10:56:45 er, yes Feb 20 10:56:57 DocScrutinizer05: try to download any file in that directory from your server Feb 20 10:57:20 the directory index lists the rescueOS files but the files themselves are a 404 Feb 20 10:57:24 so... permissions? Feb 20 10:57:32 UGh Feb 20 10:57:45 mompls Feb 20 10:58:10 oh but it's not even a proper directory index Feb 20 11:00:58 F5 Feb 20 11:01:21 yay Feb 20 11:01:49 i still need to try Pali's 3.8 rescueos Feb 20 11:01:57 Pali: do you have it uploaded somewhere? Feb 20 11:02:50 does this require the closed-source flasher? Feb 20 11:03:03 or 0xFFFF Feb 20 11:03:14 good Feb 20 11:03:35 yep, * load+boot kernel & initfs without flashing Feb 20 11:05:13 link to that? I always get loads of outdated newsposts when I google maemo stuff :S Feb 20 11:05:28 https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF ? Feb 20 11:05:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Feb 20 11:07:21 [sidenote] Wed, 20.02.2013 10:57 h Germany - Delivered - signed for by Herr POLROK* Feb 20 11:07:49 kerio: DocScrutinizer05's updates are better than a tracking number :D Feb 20 11:07:54 \o/ Feb 20 11:08:04 who's this mr polrok Feb 20 11:08:15 Should be "Pollok" - their CTO. Feb 20 11:08:18 he's going to steal our server! Feb 20 11:08:22 the cussin of Mr Spok Feb 20 11:08:50 DocScrutinizer05: *spock Feb 20 11:09:28 meh, that's the old terrestrified spelling Feb 20 11:12:31 got it, thanks. now how do I get the flasher work? I got the n900 on the cable, orange led blinking. 0xFFFF -I says waiting for USB device ... Feb 20 11:13:47 ccxCZ: remember to blacklist phonet_cdc Feb 20 11:14:14 as usual Feb 20 11:14:52 also, again as usual, start from the n900 turned off with no battery Feb 20 11:15:04 type the flasher command, and put the battery in Feb 20 11:16:01 by phonet_cdc you mean cdc_ether on host pc? Feb 20 11:16:23 no, i mean phonet_cdc on host pc Feb 20 11:17:03 I don't think I have such module Feb 20 11:20:13 segmentation fault ./0xFFFF/src/0xFFFF -l -m rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img Feb 20 11:20:27 got it to identify the device at least though Feb 20 11:21:52 http://bpaste.net/show/78500/ Feb 20 11:25:47 recompiled with -O0 -ggdb and the segv disappeared :] Feb 20 11:27:28 did -l -m and then -b but it froze again Feb 20 11:27:31 ccxCZ, use version from git: https://gitorious.org/0xffff/0xffff Feb 20 11:27:52 kthnx Feb 20 11:28:41 if you see segfault, start under gdb: sudo gdb --args ./0xFFFF Feb 20 11:28:49 and paste: bt full Feb 20 11:34:11 no segfaults but it doesn't appear to boot still Feb 20 11:37:46 ./0xFFFF -l -m rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img -b "rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" # am I missing something? Feb 20 11:38:17 the kernel Feb 20 11:39:15 indeed Feb 20 11:39:21 :) Feb 20 11:41:07 yay, a shell \o/ Feb 20 11:45:37 yay Feb 20 11:45:47 what does syslog say, then? Feb 20 12:02:41 nothing but kernel messages and no clue there Feb 20 12:04:47 can't you just restore a backup? Feb 20 12:05:56 I'd rather find and fix the problem, but yeah. though I don't think I have it here with me Feb 20 12:10:11 I want to flash my N900 to factory defaults… if I understand this correctly, I'll have to flash the EMMC image and afterwards COMBINED, right? Feb 20 12:11:01 Is it okay to use 2010.13 EMMC (latest on skeiron.org mirror) and 2010.36 COMBINED (dito)? Feb 20 12:12:33 zacharias, if you have working device, correct order is: emcc, combined Feb 20 12:12:42 Okay. Feb 20 12:12:52 if you have non working device (e.g corrupted system), then correct order is: combined, emmc, combined Feb 20 12:16:20 Do you know whether there's 2011.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0 anywhere out there? Feb 20 12:16:44 'strings /dev/mtd1 | grep RX-51' claims that'd be the version on my device, but it seems to be… gone. Feb 20 12:16:53 ~skeiron Feb 20 12:16:53 extra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Feb 20 12:17:31 kerio: Thanks, thus the latest available seems to be 2010.36. Feb 20 12:17:36 yeah Feb 20 12:17:53 Remembers me to write the email to Nokia I intended to write. Feb 20 12:17:58 *Reminds Feb 20 12:19:36 zacharias: please do Feb 20 12:19:44 but don't mention anything about mirrors Feb 20 12:19:55 got some errors on fsck I had to -y, hope that was that Feb 20 12:20:05 ccxCZ: srsly, restore a backup Feb 20 12:20:52 kerio: Yes, I already have been briefed what to mention and what not some days ago. ;) Feb 20 12:22:17 ccxCZ: very little good can come from fsck Feb 20 12:22:30 kerio: I might go for full reflash instead, intended to do that anyway since I got this used system Feb 20 12:23:52 just backing up the list of installed software and the chroot I have there and go on from there Feb 20 12:29:19 Woody14619: you were right about Modest and 'subscribed' folders. now all folders appear. still a good option to have a way to choose the subscribed folders.. Thanks :) Feb 20 12:33:43 it appears that I can adjust subscription status in mutt by 's' and 'u' keys Feb 20 12:34:51 Pali: gimme your linux 3.8 rescueos image pls Feb 20 12:35:25 i would like to have it too :P Feb 20 12:56:58 Wuu! Feb 20 12:57:08 I actually _have_ 21.2011.38-1 here. Feb 20 12:59:00 yeah, that's "PR 1.3.1" Feb 20 12:59:24 there's no matching fiasco image Feb 20 13:00:36 kerio: No, no… I mean I have found a file called RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 20 13:00:55 wait, what Feb 20 13:03:34 Had a longer Google/Rapidlibrary/… session to get this. Feb 20 13:03:58 I had ignored it since I misinterpreted file-size. Feb 20 13:04:04 But it seems to be correct. Feb 20 13:04:06 i'm fairly certain that there's no such thing Feb 20 13:04:06 maemo.jacekowski.org Feb 20 13:04:21 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ Feb 20 13:04:36 zacharias: what's the md5sum? Feb 20 13:04:43 there was no .38 Feb 20 13:04:49 .36 is the latest Feb 20 13:05:05 kerio: 095259c2380e894dc1d6a2999526ec9f Feb 20 13:05:08 ahm Feb 20 13:05:09 nvm Feb 20 13:05:11 that's 2009 Feb 20 13:05:33 weird thing Feb 20 13:05:39 the latest fiasco image is 2010.36 Feb 20 13:05:50 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 20 13:05:53 I've purchased a used N900 via ebay a week ago and 'strings /dev/mtd1 | grep RX-51' claimed it being 2011.38 so I searched a bit for an according image. Feb 20 13:06:16 use this one Feb 20 13:06:17 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 20 13:06:38 Just flashed »my« 2011.38… booted up and starts Welcome Wizard. Feb 20 13:07:25 sounds like phoenix firmware Feb 20 13:07:52 Pardon? Feb 20 13:08:09 yeah, it's phoenix firmware Feb 20 13:08:15 as in, service firmware Feb 20 13:08:25 Still don't understand. Feb 20 13:08:55 zacharias: there's never been an officially-released 2011.38 image Feb 20 13:09:11 Uhuu… Feb 20 13:09:18 as in firmware that was never released officaly by nokia to people Feb 20 13:09:28 just made availiable via phoenix (nokia service software) Feb 20 13:09:34 Ah, okay. Feb 20 13:09:44 it may have unknown bugs Feb 20 13:10:04 And unknown bug fixes! ;) Feb 20 13:10:25 Does anyone want to play around with it further? I could upload it somewhere. Feb 20 13:11:35 it's boring Feb 20 13:12:16 anyone with phoenix can download it Feb 20 13:12:18 what's the purpose of "tactile" package? Isn't tactile feedback part of the system? Feb 20 13:13:00 Ah, okay. Feb 20 13:13:25 int_ua: afaik it adds tactile feedback in more places and exposes some API Feb 20 13:14:37 thanks Feb 20 13:15:12 still having hash sum mismatch on it though Feb 20 13:22:50 ~mirrors Feb 20 13:22:50 mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error Feb 20 13:33:54 gnaaaa. Feb 20 13:34:14 When trying to flash eMMC image there just happens… nothing. Feb 20 13:34:52 flasher-3.0 finds the device, outputs hardware revision and NOLO version and after »Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0« exits. Feb 20 13:35:11 Any idea? Feb 20 13:35:32 Can't get rid of the feeling of doing something wrong. Feb 20 13:51:27 Ah. *facepalm* Feb 20 13:51:41 Using maemo-flasher magically solved the issue. Feb 20 13:54:17 hello Feb 20 14:45:57 sorry kerio, not bookmarked Feb 20 14:46:19 if you need it badly, google irclogs for "replica" (including quotes) Feb 20 16:13:55 Hi all, just swapped the screens over on my N900's, goodish news Feb 20 16:14:05 not the mobo Feb 20 16:44:48 the ribbon looks very worn on the black side. How can I prove it's the ribbon? Feb 20 17:12:45 plug the suspected defective display to a good mobo, see if error follows display unit Feb 20 17:13:20 sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ Feb 20 17:13:49 it does Feb 20 17:13:53 sixwheeledbeast: also use a magnifying glass to closely inspect the flat plastic cable Feb 20 17:14:04 aka ribbon Feb 20 17:14:09 inspect for what? Feb 20 17:14:24 see if you can detect any copper traces injured or exposed Feb 20 17:14:45 kiss them better! Feb 20 17:14:51 (don't actually do that) Feb 20 17:15:03 as I said above, the black side is worn so it's no longer glossy Feb 20 17:15:14 matt finish to it Feb 20 17:15:23 but in my book it's generally the insane 3-layer B2B connector that has vias soldered between layer and those snap open on even slight bending Feb 20 17:16:25 this slider has always been stiff Feb 20 17:16:45 so i will look for breaks in the ribbon , ok thanks Feb 20 17:18:42 check ribbon. Do display swap to good mobo. If you feel venturous, consider ironing the backside of B2B connector with a sufficently hot iron (probably something between 200 an 300°C, but NOT too hot!) to reslder the vias Feb 20 17:20:13 btw, what is the purpose sixwheeledbeast? Feb 20 17:20:33 finally, get a flex cable replacement (~ some $30 or somesuch, last that I checked) and replace Feb 20 17:20:49 Sicelo: display artifacts Feb 20 17:20:51 DocScrutinizer05 the "bad" display is bad on the other mobo. Feb 20 17:21:16 sixwheeledbeast: so it's pretty certain it's the FPC that's defect Feb 20 17:21:26 Sicelo: hardware issue from yesterday on my main N900 Feb 20 17:22:56 FPC = Flexy Printed Circuit? Feb 20 17:23:03 ie ribbon Feb 20 17:23:30 http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html Feb 20 17:23:34 :nod: Feb 20 17:23:54 ta very muchly :) Feb 20 17:25:18 DocScrutinizer05 Out of stock, are they likely to become in stock Feb 20 17:25:42 no, but you might find them elsewhere if you're lucky Feb 20 17:25:56 or even from nokia care Feb 20 17:26:16 ha! Feb 20 17:26:30 though nokia care will charge 5 times that price, minimum ;-) Feb 20 17:26:56 you make me laugh putting nokia and care in the same sentence ;-) Feb 20 17:29:59 http://www.parts4repair.com/nokia-n900-flat-flex-cable-ribbon-with-front-camera/ Feb 20 17:30:06 Oh, just spotted the front camera and other bits are attached Feb 20 17:30:39 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-Nokia-N900-Main-Button-Keypad-Connector-Slide-Flex-Ribbon-Cable-Camera-USA-/230856165857?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item35c01989e1 Feb 20 17:30:54 postage is silly from US to UK Feb 20 17:34:28 well then don't check ebay.co.uk, check ebay.com Feb 20 17:35:05 you always need to doublecheck, this http://www.parts4repair.com/nokia-n900-flex-cable-ribbon/ is most likely a hoax or a confused product name Feb 20 17:35:54 seen same mess for speekers Feb 20 17:36:00 speakers* Feb 20 17:36:32 maybe spare part for chinese Nokla Feb 20 17:37:37 anyway, google is your friend Feb 20 17:41:15 kerio: I am in the UK Feb 20 17:41:33 yeah, i can't read apparently :s Feb 20 17:42:36 do you think it's worth asking on TMO? Feb 20 17:43:53 Sicelo: Glad you found a way to do that locally on the N900. I may install mutt just to have a way to adjust subscribed IMAP folders now. :) Thanks for the tip. Feb 20 17:44:10 works perfect ;) Feb 20 17:47:53 sixwheeledbeast: nope Feb 20 17:47:59 ask google Feb 20 17:48:43 see my URL I pasted above. been like the 4th hit on google:"nokia n900 flex cable" Feb 20 17:49:14 or even 2nd Feb 20 17:49:57 3rd: https://www.halagsm.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-With-Camera.1437 Feb 20 17:50:18 sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ Feb 20 17:52:56 DocScrutinizer05: halagsm £16 delivered that looks good Feb 20 17:54:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314046#post1314046 Feb 20 17:58:40 sixwheeledbeast: I'd appreciate you add your experience to that thread Feb 20 17:59:19 ta, I found that thread about 5 minutes ago. Going for halagsm. Thanks DocScrutinizer05 will do. Feb 20 18:21:10 WOW, wasn't aware: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84753 (saera) Feb 20 18:23:15 >>Now I have pull the n900 out and add this....makes,me wonder why i even have an n9.<< LOL Feb 20 18:23:23 waiting for the qml version Feb 20 18:23:40 eeew Feb 20 18:24:20 qml is plasticky Feb 20 18:24:22 python version is good, suppose to be getting a big rewrite Feb 20 18:25:05 * ShadowJK kinda dislikes having both qt and gtk loaded Feb 20 18:27:43 * eccerr0r tried to stick with either qt xor gtk on his Gentoo boxes but is stuck with using both... :( Feb 20 18:41:01 well on PC you can just add ram Feb 20 18:41:08 dang, there's soooo much good stuff that appeared during last 12 months on tmo and I never noticed Feb 20 18:41:08 not so on n900 :P Feb 20 18:42:08 maemo-profiler also looks promising Feb 20 18:42:29 like a late continuations of DWIMD concepts Feb 20 18:44:14 it's still a waste of RAM and makes things look weird... Feb 20 18:45:10 anyone use an AC-10C charger here, or are most people using AC-10U/AC-10E/AC-10X/... ? Feb 20 18:46:42 errr Feb 20 18:46:50 nfc actually Feb 20 18:47:02 10E for me Feb 20 18:47:47 10E Feb 20 18:48:05 what's 10C? Feb 20 18:48:10 I think I got a phony 10C ... Feb 20 18:48:34 That's what I'm wonderring. I should have gotten a 10U Feb 20 18:49:04 well, i don't think I ever seen a 10C Feb 20 18:49:22 10E = european 2-pin, 10U = usa 2-prong ... 10x = asia? not sure. Feb 20 18:49:56 10C I think should be a standard USB port on the wart, no cable Feb 20 18:50:02 i guess 10C is 5-pin, from mars, heh. Feb 20 18:50:02 but mine has a cable... which is wrong Feb 20 18:50:08 mhm Feb 20 18:50:10 :P Feb 20 18:52:07 N9 came with a white disky thing with a USB receptacle and no type printed on it Feb 20 18:52:15 last night I discharged my battery all the way, it hit 3.2V and the phone shut off... could not get a valid discharge cycle out of that :( (giving up on discharge)... but the "AC10C" could not charge my phone from that state! Feb 20 18:53:09 hmm Feb 20 18:53:34 isn't that your N900 that has all sorts of strange problems with charging anyway? Feb 20 18:53:36 * Sicelo wonders if the data lines are even shorted in that one Feb 20 18:54:34 yeah... I don't know what's going on... It will not charge from flat, but it will charge fine from not flat with the charger... Feb 20 18:55:11 and will charge fine with a CA-101 but slowly from a computer USB port. Feb 20 19:01:33 another strangeness, when trying to charge with the ac10c when flat, if I run charge21.sh it will stop charging, probably somehow detected an overcurrent situation, unsure where Feb 20 19:02:16 me running? Feb 20 19:02:38 *bme Feb 20 19:04:30 it probably was, which probably confused it, but I don't think it was charging to begin with (it at least "said" it stopped trying) Feb 20 19:04:51 hmm, who said that? Feb 20 19:05:09 the yellow bar on the screen (and it gave the "error" tone) Feb 20 19:05:26 what exactly said it? Feb 20 19:05:54 probably the default charge monitor... not sure of all the applications that are running to indicate what Feb 20 19:06:24 I never ever seen a notifier saying "I give up trying to charge" Feb 20 19:06:41 (OETTE) Feb 20 19:06:49 (OWTTE) Feb 20 19:07:02 heh no, it didnt say that exactly, said "Charging Stopped" or something like that Feb 20 19:07:35 well, that usually means it finished charging due to battery full Feb 20 19:08:00 There's another alert for that "Battery Full" or something Feb 20 19:08:12 then there's that other notifier saying "insufficient power for charging" or sth like that Feb 20 19:08:41 yes, that's probably the error seen... Feb 20 19:08:57 you know what? I suggest you reflash to a clean system Feb 20 19:09:00 I wonder if the resistance in the cable is too high to fast charge... but 1A isn't reallyt hat much Feb 20 19:09:35 (resistance) exactly what I suspected a few days ago Feb 20 19:10:51 I really wonder how a microusb can pass 1A, that really boggles me Feb 20 19:11:11 it's about the limit it can do, actually Feb 20 19:11:22 maybe 2A under good conditions Feb 20 19:11:40 if there's any dust or dirt on the contacts, no way... Feb 20 19:12:00 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-02-17.log.html#t2013-02-17T04:33:42 Feb 20 19:12:55 >>> DocScrutinizer05 either cable or plug or receptacle contacts or receptacle pins Feb 20 19:14:41 bq24150 would throw a "bad powersource" error in that case. IIRC you should see that error in plain text in charge21.sh Feb 20 19:15:02 at very least you should see it in status Feb 20 19:21:13 eccerr0r: I've had the same issue at times. Sometimes it's the port on the machine... I have a work system where the front ports refuse to negotiate abve 200mA, ever. The back ports work just fine. Feb 20 19:21:38 normal for a hub Feb 20 19:21:49 prolly internal hub Feb 20 19:22:45 I've also seen odd behavior if you have h.e.n., or "USB made easy" installed. I had that one one system, and found that I had to sometimes use it to switch modes before it would even notice something was plugged in. Feb 20 19:23:01 usually a hub negotiates (500-100)/number-of-downstream-prts mA per port Feb 20 19:23:09 true Doc. Feb 20 19:23:35 h.e.n.? Feb 20 19:23:47 hostmode-easy-now Feb 20 19:24:24 I had a hub that was rated for 3A per port. Feb 20 19:24:26 shouldn't usually interfere with anything when not started Feb 20 19:24:29 Only had 4 ports, but still. Feb 20 19:24:40 teotwaki: LOL Feb 20 19:24:47 Funny part is, I know it's not the port going falkey from having it happen a few times. Plug in the charger, no response. change to hostmode, then back, and it picks up the charger and starts charging... The last time I did it on a flat surface, to be sure I wasn't tweeking the cable. Feb 20 19:24:56 no way to negotiate that in ENUM afaik Feb 20 19:25:09 doc: there is with USB3. Feb 20 19:25:17 DocScrutinizer05: thing is, I don't even know whether a USB cable could survive getting juiced at 15W? Feb 20 19:25:22 Just not USB2. May have been a USB3 hub. Feb 20 19:25:33 Nope, USB1 or 2, can't remember Feb 20 19:25:38 thedead1440: hardly Feb 20 19:25:46 oops Feb 20 19:25:47 tab-pwned. Feb 20 19:25:50 teotwaki: ^^^ Feb 20 19:26:13 lol, well...then it's the "more power is better" theory... Feb 20 19:26:40 Anyway, on the box it said "Use up to 24 hard drives!" Feb 20 19:26:43 With 4 ports. Feb 20 19:26:49 I'm sure someone in marketing was like "lets make it go up to 3A!" And the engineers were just too put out to argue with them. Feb 20 19:26:56 I think it's a 8bit unsigned with unit 4mA, in ENUM Feb 20 19:27:31 so *IIRC* you can't negotiate more than 1024mA in enum Feb 20 19:27:44 Woody14619: more likely, marketing drone came in and asked "WE COULD SELL SO MUCH IF IT WENT TO 3A, CAN IT GO TO 3A? WHAT DOES 3A EVEN MEAN?" Feb 20 19:27:44 the "continuous view" thing in pdf reader in cssu is driving me crazy Feb 20 19:27:51 And the engineers probably went "Yeah yeah, it can" Feb 20 19:29:35 ShadowJK: +1. it causes pages to 'jump' or skip? Feb 20 19:29:46 yes Feb 20 19:30:10 It's not continuous view. It immediately swaps/flips page when you scroll to bottom of previous page Feb 20 19:30:43 sounds innocent, but it's frustrating because you then you to carefully scroll so you dont accidentally come too close to end of page Feb 20 19:30:51 this should've been fixed... in CSSU? Feb 20 19:31:03 DocScrutinizer05: Speaking of cool things for N900, and the lack of needing an N9... Did you see this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84482 Feb 20 19:32:41 nice, though I'm not that extremely excited, maybe because I thought there are no apps for N9 ;-) Feb 20 19:33:15 DocScrutinizer05; no, the option did not exist in PR1.3. It appeared in cssu and is on by default. Feb 20 19:33:36 Lol.. well. :) What few apps there are... Feb 20 19:33:48 ShadowJK: what you discribe is exactly *not* "continuous mode" Feb 20 19:34:02 DocScrutinizer05; obviously Feb 20 19:34:23 Anyway, back to work. Feb 20 19:34:24 The menu item is named "continuous view" anyways Feb 20 19:34:30 and I seem to remember I bitched about that annoyance 2 or 3 years ago Feb 20 19:34:54 I'm actually sure I did Feb 20 19:35:35 anyway it's a very obvious BUG, please open a ticket against it Feb 20 19:51:32 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-12-09.log.html#t2011-12-09T21:52:30 Feb 20 19:59:31 thedead1440: warfare: let me introduce you to starkwiz, a new sysop volunteer Feb 20 20:39:48 Sicelo: lol at what happened right afterwards Feb 20 21:41:57 will maemo handle an extfs MyDocs? Feb 20 21:44:21 well I have disabled auto mounting and ecrypted mydocs and the fs is ext3, so yeah, no problems actually. Feb 20 21:44:54 does it *have* to be a separate partition? :s Feb 20 21:46:27 Is there something like .Xdefaults/.Xresources to edit the system's default terminal colors? Feb 20 21:46:44 which terminal? Feb 20 21:46:47 osso-xterm? Feb 20 21:47:04 aka "X Terminal" Feb 20 21:47:12 Yes. Feb 20 21:47:13 kerio: it *should* handle extfs MyDocs (since only known bug [cameraui using incorrect upper/lower case DSCIM and incorrect permissions] should be fixed since long ago) Feb 20 21:47:44 kerio: it also shouldn't care too much about partitions, except for exporting MyDocs Feb 20 21:47:58 maemo does not care about mydocs at all, it can happily live without it only camera app may be a bit problematic as doc pointed out... Feb 20 21:48:39 umounting MyDocs makes it not appear in fm Feb 20 21:49:07 eyescream: I think it has a menu to edit colors Feb 20 21:49:19 yeah, it's in the font menu Feb 20 21:49:21 or something Feb 20 21:50:25 I'm referring to the default colors in applications that use color such as vim. Feb 20 21:50:55 Not the colors used by the terminal itself when writing text. Feb 20 21:51:26 It has the standard Linux/UNIX/whatever color palette. Feb 20 21:51:32 ansi colors are a matter of terminal Feb 20 21:51:54