**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:59 2013 Feb 21 03:10:36 anyone maybe know where inside file system was stored sms and build-in im messages ? Feb 21 03:14:29 pretty sure it's in the OptFS, in the /home/user directory somewhere Feb 21 04:31:51 i just ordered a n900 (been waiting 3 years for the price to go down!) and i'm wondering, is there a point to using meego vs. maemo on the n900? Feb 21 04:39:41 there isn't really a complete meego stack Feb 21 04:40:03 yeah Feb 21 04:40:42 you want to use maemo5/fremantle_Pr1.3(.)[CSSU] Feb 21 04:41:28 alec__: kudos for keeping this plan for THREE years. You're outsmarting even me ;-D Feb 21 04:44:00 when I decided to get a linux smartphone, I had only 2 months of "no money" period, then Openmoko 1973 wasn't available anymore, and when Openmoko Neo (aka GTA02) came out, I was basically almost an employee of that company Feb 21 04:45:03 dunno if I could've kept this plan for 3 years Feb 21 04:49:47 wow Feb 21 04:49:57 do you have any other linux phones, docscrutinizer05? Feb 21 04:50:06 besides an n900? Feb 21 04:56:04 well, I guess the N900s, the N950, the N9, and all the OM devices and OpenPhoenux GTA04 all would qualify for the title "Linux Phone" Feb 21 04:58:27 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_002.jpg ;-) Feb 21 04:58:46 which one's your favorite, docscrutinizer05? Feb 21 04:58:56 N900 Feb 21 04:59:45 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_003.jpg Feb 21 05:03:17 why is that, docscrutinizer05? Feb 21 05:08:52 well, it has a nice hw kbd, a very good resistive touchscreen (I hate capacitive, have you noticed they always come without stylus?) and it's just fast enough for me. AND it has uSD slot, and a truly almost completely open OS (not like the N9 which is riddled by some abomination called aegis) Feb 21 05:13:26 i see Feb 21 05:13:51 someone once told me it was a 'linux fanboy phone'... but i've always believed it was the best phone evar Feb 21 05:14:44 my current phone (sony p1i) was released quite a while ago; i've hung onto it because of the hw keyboard though Feb 21 05:15:19 * alec__ can't wait to start hacking on his n900 Feb 21 05:15:38 well, you can either use it as a "normal phone2 and don't use too many of the "leete apps" out there since some of them need some attention to get them play nice with N900 core functionallity, or you are a linux geek and tailor the N900 to whatever you like basically Feb 21 05:18:15 anyway don't install stuff indiscriminately, make backups with backupmenu *often*, and don't believe stuff that sounds too good/weird and has no "99.9% thumbs-up" rating, like Feb 21 05:18:19 ~speedpatch Feb 21 05:18:19 i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Feb 21 05:18:44 ~batterypatch Feb 21 05:18:44 rumour has it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Feb 21 05:18:57 ahhh Feb 21 05:18:59 ok Feb 21 05:19:18 i was going to install that power kernel and the wifi driver that allows monitor mode on all channels, for starters Feb 21 05:19:28 the titan kernel or whatever it's called Feb 21 05:19:39 I suggest you wait a 4..8 weeks with both Feb 21 05:19:53 why's that? Feb 21 05:20:00 first learn to know your stock N900 Feb 21 05:20:03 ok Feb 21 05:20:36 i was also looking forward to running nin101's encryption setup Feb 21 05:20:40 you'd miss a reference how stuff is supposed to work, when you jump into hacker issues right away Feb 21 05:20:46 i see Feb 21 05:20:51 good point Feb 21 05:21:43 and believe me, you won't need any of that hacker stuff to begin with, to have ÖOTS of fun with stock N900 Feb 21 05:21:49 LOTS even Feb 21 05:21:52 yes Feb 21 05:22:27 just install rootsh and ssh, and enjoy *real* linux on your phone Feb 21 05:22:32 *awesome* Feb 21 05:23:24 some users comsider this a helpful webpage, though i think you don't need that either during first 8 weeks: Feb 21 05:23:29 ~jrtools Feb 21 05:23:30 [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Feb 21 05:23:44 thank you, i'll definitely look at that Feb 21 05:24:24 just get: Feb 21 05:24:26 ~bm Feb 21 05:24:27 methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Feb 21 05:24:39 it's *really* important Feb 21 05:25:22 and learn to: Feb 21 05:25:24 ~flash Feb 21 05:25:25 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 21 05:25:35 it's actually *fun* Feb 21 05:25:57 especially when you do it during first 2 days you own your new phone Feb 21 05:26:37 on day #3 you already will feel sorrow for all the config you already did that will get lost by flashing Feb 21 05:26:52 interesting Feb 21 05:27:46 so on day 2 do a *normal* backup with the builtin backup app, the try flashing, do it again just for fun, then resore your settings with backup app "restore" Feb 21 05:28:13 s/the try/then try/. Feb 21 05:30:56 ok, i will definitely do that Feb 21 05:34:47 does the n900 support writing directly to the framebuffer? Feb 21 05:34:54 yes Feb 21 05:35:38 otherwise mplayer would have a hard time Feb 21 05:36:39 wohoo Feb 21 06:38:26 alec__: note that mplayer is far from recommended to play movies Feb 21 06:38:37 600MHz aren't a lot Feb 21 06:38:53 the stock media player and things that use the same backend use the internal DSP Feb 21 07:02:13 i see Feb 21 07:02:21 yes, 600mhz is pretty slow... Feb 21 07:21:47 <_eddyb_> hi Feb 21 07:22:12 'lo Feb 21 07:22:25 <_eddyb_> any idea if there's a HTML5 browser that's easy to install on N900? Feb 21 07:22:32 fennec? Feb 21 07:22:40 i'm not sure what you mean by html5 Feb 21 07:23:12 <_eddyb_> canvas, websocket, css3/flexbox, etc. Feb 21 07:23:24 hm, i think that fennec supports those Feb 21 07:23:41 you *really* want cssu-thumb and the thumbified fennec, though Feb 21 07:23:42 <_eddyb_> basically what latest chrome stable can and microbe can't do Feb 21 07:23:48 and even then, it's still kinda slow Feb 21 07:24:03 -kinda Feb 21 07:24:22 <_eddyb_> hmm, is my ssh not exiting because it's tunneling IRC? Feb 21 07:25:07 <_eddyb_> that's funny - sadly I can't open new xterm instances easily Feb 21 07:32:35 <_eddyb_> so I installed fennec with aptitude (a search fortytwo "thumb" gave me nothing - is it the arm instruction subset?) Feb 21 07:33:26 _eddyb_: i was about to suggest \n~& to send ssh in background, waiting for connections to end Feb 21 07:33:40 _eddyb_: you're doing it wrong :) Feb 21 07:33:45 the fennec in the repos is like version 4 Feb 21 07:33:49 ~cssu-thumb Feb 21 07:33:49 from memory, cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Feb 21 07:34:17 <_eddyb_> that fennec is sweet and it's faster than microb Feb 21 07:34:59 <_eddyb_> but I'll take something better if there is :) Feb 21 07:35:51 <_eddyb_> kerio: and use "fg" to get ssh back? Feb 21 07:36:21 no, ~& will hup the program that's running in foreground Feb 21 07:37:05 <_eddyb_> I remember something like ctrl-z Feb 21 07:37:08 if you want to send ssh in background you can do ~^z Feb 21 07:38:41 <_eddyb_> yeah, thanks, I guess ~ is the ssh escape key Feb 21 07:44:28 <_eddyb_> wasn't firebug the ff debug addon? I can't find it :/ Feb 21 09:20:42 hey! can someone tell me some useful apps for my n900? Feb 21 09:35:36 ah dammit Feb 21 09:35:43 he left Feb 21 09:42:58 hi, ive got a serious question- from where i can get the ipk files of games to install them on n900 and play? i know how, but noone says from where? Feb 21 09:43:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70795 Feb 21 09:43:43 great explanation but where are the files? Feb 21 09:45:32 any suggestions? anyone? Feb 21 09:50:23 Internet Feb 21 10:00:07 "apps" eh? Feb 21 10:01:03 call warfare Feb 21 10:14:26 Aoyagi_joytop: i hope he meant programs Feb 21 10:14:26 :s Feb 21 10:32:32 DocScrutinizer05, but it looks like star wars canonical (sic!) "we're doomed!" Feb 21 10:33:22 i.e. that there, basically, not only no one know how to fix problems with repos or autobuilder, but that, also, no one is trying to fix it, as no one know who should fix it or lack contact to people who could be able to fix it Feb 21 10:33:40 not accussing anyone or blaming, just trying to get facts straight Feb 21 10:34:30 following your description, it means, that we have hosting which is useless, as neither autobuilder nor extras-devel is going to work anytime soon Feb 21 10:35:01 cause there is no technical possibility ATM to assign anyone into looking at it Feb 21 10:35:26 meh, who said we can't fix extras-devel hashsum? Feb 21 10:35:51 I dount that majority of maemo-interested people know, how *bad* it looks in reality. Maybe some fuss on TMO would make people complain to hifo for more action? Feb 21 10:36:03 erm, we can? Feb 21 10:40:16 DocScrutinizer05, and even if "we" fix devel hashsum thid or other way, no much difference, as nothing else will appear without autobuilder working Feb 21 10:40:35 initially, at least putting through scp worked, which is "enuf" (screw web based upload). Feb 21 10:41:37 either way we're *frozen* into using mirrors and distribute new version of programs as .deb's scattered through various one-click hosting sites and threads at tmo (better) or just tars with files to replace (dependency fun x2) Feb 21 10:42:41 * Estel_ is using synthetized C3PO voice: "We're doomed!" Feb 21 10:48:08 Estel_: http://youtu.be/0A5XOIMs6D0 Feb 21 10:54:16 Aoyagi_joytop, rather like that: http://i.qkme.me/36fnjj.jpg Feb 21 10:56:10 another topic - anyone using cutetube here, or maybe someone know if, and if yes, what nick marxian use on irc? Feb 21 10:56:25 installed it yesterday for the first time, just to discover that it segfaults miserably with dailymotion... Feb 21 10:56:40 making it useless, as youtube is working without need for cutetube Feb 21 11:14:12 Ahaha, the Internet panic over PS4 being all-AMD is hilarious. Feb 21 11:14:35 And this is wrong channel, sorry Feb 21 11:14:53 http://25.media.tumblr.com/38991ff1ebc2dd6caf36e1fa6aa28196/tumblr_mhqkurBDkX1rn7bzro1_500.gif Feb 21 11:20:59 Is there any reason to why my N900 would lock me out of it and not let me unlock. Then ssh not let me auth. Feb 21 11:21:05 Reboot to then not even boot ? Feb 21 11:21:24 I have devel repos enabled btw. Feb 21 11:21:46 reflash? Feb 21 11:21:47 Is there any way to recover files before flashing? Feb 21 11:21:49 Ah nvm. Feb 21 11:21:57 Gh0sty: Yea, seems like that's what I have to do :( Feb 21 11:22:51 use backups Feb 21 11:22:51 (Nvm -> image doesn't flash over home data) Feb 21 11:23:02 Gh0sty: Hehe.. Feb 21 11:23:06 most stuff should be on your sd card anyway Feb 21 11:23:14 My phone is my backup server for my laptop :P Feb 21 11:23:26 and you could try to only flash the bootstuff Feb 21 11:23:29 * M30W has other backups but it works nice. Feb 21 11:23:39 'leaving the filesystem untouched :/ Feb 21 11:23:46 Gh0sty: I think I should reflash it all (Exc home) Feb 21 11:23:51 Easy and I know how. :) Feb 21 11:23:59 ok then what are you waiting for Feb 21 11:24:01 Just need to boot into a laptop that can short VERY easily :/ Feb 21 11:24:08 Not so good for flashing hehehe. Feb 21 11:24:14 mine has very awkward behavior since a few months Feb 21 11:24:20 led controller stops working Feb 21 11:24:32 and usually works for like half a day after I let it run out of battery Feb 21 11:24:36 and plug it in then Feb 21 11:24:39 ... :/ Feb 21 11:26:10 :/ Feb 21 11:26:23 * M30W will fix his N900 tomorrow maybe.. Maybe on the weekend Feb 21 11:26:24 Thu Feb 21 22:26:24 EST 2013 Feb 21 11:26:47 * M30W shall use Huwaie X1 (upgraded to android 4) in the mean time.... :/ Feb 21 11:26:52 * M30W wants his N900 ♥ Feb 21 11:28:04 Best phone I've ever had. Death #3 Feb 21 11:28:08 Hehe Feb 21 11:28:27 One of which I take fault for..... Using dead multiboot. Feb 21 11:28:38 This is just wtf happened? Feb 21 11:28:58 The first time wasn't dead, but reflash experimenting and somehow failed. Feb 21 11:29:13 Okay.. Good night world, Gh0sty Good luck with your LED. Feb 21 11:30:43 * M30W attempts boot with no sd or sim Feb 21 11:30:59 (Before going to bed) Feb 21 11:31:04 nope Feb 21 11:31:05 Dead Feb 21 11:31:06 :'( Feb 21 11:31:11 okay.. Night again ^_^ Feb 21 11:44:44 Hmm Feb 21 11:44:49 * M30W decided to boot and flash :P Feb 21 11:54:29 * M30W must say that flash was very fast and now so much to do... (To fix/get everything I want back) Feb 21 11:54:36 Thankfully it even knows what song was playing :P Feb 21 11:55:14 Good night world. Feb 21 13:25:00 word.. someone helped me get a custom fw working on my e7 :) Feb 21 13:25:05 MY KEYBOARD WORKS! heh Feb 21 16:11:09 any idea why i see deb http:// entries directly in application manager and cannot be deleted or disabled ? Feb 21 16:12:56 because you have those entries in /etc/apt/sources.list or some other file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Feb 21 16:15:08 I should remove then ? Feb 21 16:16:45 I assume you're talking about that insane zoo of system catalogs the latest CSSU introduced? Feb 21 16:17:31 maybe not sure, I just renamed those files check app manager again. Feb 21 16:17:53 those entries are gone. Feb 21 16:18:00 So, they are not needed ? Feb 21 16:18:36 DocScrutinizer05: don't assume Feb 21 16:18:43 he said "deb http://" entries in application manager Feb 21 16:18:55 btw based on a really funny rationale, like: they are needed by $somestuff, so we make them system so user can't accidentally delete them. No matter he then could accidentally *enable* catalogs that for sure shouldn't Feb 21 16:18:55 starkwiz: how did they end up there? Feb 21 16:19:07 that's a good question. Feb 21 16:19:25 I remember playing with apt-get Feb 21 16:19:27 :) Feb 21 16:20:10 but i didn't create the files in sources.list.d Feb 21 16:21:08 i m shifting to skeiron repo. I didn't check for updates for a month now. Feb 21 16:21:29 there probably are no updates since a month Feb 21 16:21:42 since autobuilder is broken Feb 21 16:22:12 :( Feb 21 16:23:14 what is the fastest way to add repos without manually typing them ? Feb 21 16:23:41 and definitely skeiron did no update of repo from root apt since a month Feb 21 16:24:08 click on an .install file Feb 21 16:24:18 ~jrtools Feb 21 16:24:18 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Feb 21 16:25:08 thanks. you make pretty good use of that infobot. Feb 21 16:25:36 well, I'm supposed to, since I got +o on it Feb 21 16:40:09 its really sad that i cant find moc inside repo... Feb 21 16:42:35 thats really good and easy to use console music player... Feb 21 16:54:12 Drathir: not cmus? Feb 21 16:59:22 thedead1440: no, but i check this also ty... Feb 21 17:28:04 thedead1440: mocp is little different than cmus, but this also can be enough thanks a lot... Feb 21 18:38:49 hi Feb 21 18:59:44 hi Feb 21 19:26:34 This is probably one of the funniest tickets I've received at this company Feb 21 19:28:00 "Freddie was subject to a threeway he didn't expect. As he pretty young, he didn't know how to handle this situation. Would it be possible for to analyse what happened between Michelle F., Marie B. and Freddie?" Feb 21 19:28:22 I'm tempted to reject it with reason: CAN'T FIX - Great chemistry at work. Feb 21 19:38:16 teotwaki: git blame && git regret && git drink Feb 21 20:00:37 kerio: I didn't know about git drink :D Feb 21 20:30:12 my n900 stopped booting... battery is full, only shows the white nokia logo screen, the developer mode icon, but no text, and then turns off again Feb 21 20:31:16 (usb is broken, so can't easily try using that...) Feb 21 20:31:16 flash it Feb 21 20:31:56 boot menu also doesn't work Feb 21 20:32:21 so it's probably the bootloader? or some hardware issue? Feb 21 20:34:46 well, good thing i have a spare n900 ;( - bad thing i don't have a recent backup Feb 21 20:46:10 definie thing you have to fix your USB Feb 21 20:49:22 definitive* Feb 21 20:49:56 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders who's stealing his keypresses Feb 21 23:19:14 hi Feb 21 23:19:28 there is a way to install printer on maemo? Feb 21 23:47:44 yes Feb 21 23:48:01 I think somebody built CUPS Feb 21 23:48:34 however support for printing is missing in most apps Feb 21 23:52:18 that's what I liked about kde on the n810 Feb 21 23:52:39 office managed to print Feb 22 00:56:05 n900 terminal missing keys Home and End for me :/ Feb 22 00:57:47 sometimes when a lot of text this keys can help a lot... Feb 22 02:23:29 Drathir: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard#Remapping_keyboard_arrows You can remap your arrow keys to get Home and End **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 22 02:59:58 2013