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Feb 27 03:02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
Feb 27 03:02:17 <infobot> "cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Go (.*?), $1"
Feb 27 03:02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> bs
Feb 27 03:02:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
Feb 27 03:02:51 <infobot> cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct  5 17:41:56 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 54s ago.
Feb 27 03:03:14 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: Wikiwide answers your query here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324353#post1324353
Feb 27 03:04:02 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
Feb 27 03:04:02 <infobot> i forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
Feb 27 03:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom
Feb 27 03:06:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom
Feb 27 03:06:53 <infobot> Go $2, (.*?)
Feb 27 03:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> FU!
Feb 27 03:11:05 <merlin1991> ~cookie
Feb 27 03:11:06 <infobot> Hey merlin1991, zip 4638 is Grove Washington ME
Feb 27 03:11:26 <merlin1991> ~pet
Feb 27 03:11:37 <merlin1991> ah that was it
Feb 27 03:11:38 <merlin1991> ~botsnack
Feb 27 03:11:38 <infobot> :), merlin1991
Feb 27 03:13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cookie
Feb 27 03:13:27 <infobot> Hey docscrutinizer05, zip 60941 is Herscher Kankakee IL
Feb 27 03:13:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cookie
Feb 27 03:13:30 <infobot> Hey docscrutinizer05, rfc 1458 is Requirements for Multicast Protocols. R. Braudes & S. Zabele. May 1993. (Format: TXT=48106 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL)
Feb 27 03:13:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cookie
Feb 27 03:13:33 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... jon masters... at http://www.jonmasters.org/
Feb 27 03:14:04 <DocScrutinizer05> listkeys "zip "
Feb 27 03:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys "zip "
Feb 27 03:14:15 <infobot> Factoid search of 'zip ' by key (21 of 42379): zip 19114 ;; zip 20463 ;; zip 30345 ;; zip 34236 ;; zip 35898 ;; zip 41740 ;; zip 43434 ;; zip 45308 ;; zip 47220 ;; zip 48111 ;; zip 49709 ;; zip 49858 ;; zip 50236 ;; zip 55439 ;; zip 5670 ;; zip 60913 ;; zip 63882 ;; zip 64601 ;; zip 64722 ;; zip 65010 ;; zip 67002.
Feb 27 03:14:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys "rfc "
Feb 27 03:14:38 <infobot> Factoid search of 'rfc ' by key (23 of 2218): rfc 1144 ;; rfc 1270 ;; rfc 1325 ;; rfc 1396 ;; rfc 1516 ;; rfc 1620 ;; rfc 1623 ;; rfc 168 ;; rfc 1682 ;; rfc 1701 ;; rfc 1831 ;; rfc 1980 ;; rfc 2064 ;; rfc 2098 ;; rfc 224 ;; rfc 271 ;; rfc 286 ;; rfc 310 ;; rfc 328 ;; rfc 365 ;; rfc 612 ;; rfc 651 ;; rfc 729.
Feb 27 03:14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, only
Feb 27 03:15:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys send (.*?) (.*?)
Feb 27 03:15:28 <infobot> Factoid search of 'send (.*?) (.*?)' by key (2): cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: send (.*?) (.*).
Feb 27 03:16:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
Feb 27 03:16:04 <infobot> there's no such factoid as cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
Feb 27 03:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*)
Feb 27 03:16:34 <infobot> cmd: send (.*?) (.*) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct  5 17:40:31 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 9m 42s ago.
Feb 27 03:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*)
Feb 27 03:16:46 <infobot> i forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*), DocScrutinizer05
Feb 27 03:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> OHLOL, Skry and thedead1440 *thanked* me on that new tmo :-P
Feb 27 03:19:07 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: we need to maintain your x8 ratio before you suffer a public meltdown for that too :-p
Feb 27 03:19:50 <Skry> ;)
Feb 27 04:01:37 <eccerr0r> I think I finally gained enough evidence to know exactly what's up with my charging situation...
Feb 27 04:02:17 <eccerr0r> I am now drawing 600mA+ from my bench PSU... and the culprit?  Bad microusb plug...
Feb 27 04:05:16 <eccerr0r> now charging at 0.6A at 5.15V through this 8" Nokia cable that came with my 5230 ... not even the CA-101 charged at 0.6A... :\
Feb 27 04:09:26 <eccerr0r> looks like I'll have to buy a AC10U or something.
Feb 27 07:12:43 <Macer> blah
Feb 27 07:12:49 <Macer> fmobi is still broken
Feb 27 07:12:52 <Macer> :/
Feb 27 08:00:38 <eccerr0r> hmm... how does one install dev libs for armel in the SDK?
Feb 27 08:02:38 <eccerr0r> I don't know why the rootstrap doesn't contain libgnutls
Feb 27 08:02:57 <eccerr0r> maybe I'll just copy these files over from my n900 as a workaround...
Feb 27 08:29:20 <Jeffrey04> installing packages through the application manager fails after i enabled extras-devel, is there anyway i can check what is wrong?
Feb 27 08:30:24 <thedead1440> Jeffrey04: hashsum error? the app manager has a logs option to describe what went wrong...
Feb 27 08:31:01 <Jeffrey04> thedead: how can i get the log? i just received this n900 this morning :P
Feb 27 08:31:31 <Jeffrey04> it just says Downloading $packagename failed. Try again?
Feb 27 08:31:41 <thedead1440> click the top tab and click on log
Feb 27 08:31:51 <Jeffrey04> ok found it
Feb 27 08:31:57 <thedead1440> its probably hashsum error due to the repos having an issue
Feb 27 08:31:59 <thedead1440> ~mirror
Feb 27 08:31:59 <infobot> somebody said mirror was http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
Feb 27 08:32:39 <Jeffrey04> there's a lot of this "Ignoring version from wrong domain" messages in the log
Feb 27 08:32:40 <thedead1440> use extras-devel.merlin1991.at; you can download on your device the repo enabler by entering this link on browser: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install
Feb 27 08:33:29 <eccerr0r> crap.  lying that I had python 2.4 didn't work :p
Feb 27 08:34:02 <eccerr0r> got through configure at least...
Feb 27 08:34:40 <thedead1440> Jeffrey04: thats most probably the downloads.maemo.nokia.com error messages due to the GPG key expiring iirc; those messages shouldn't be the cause
Feb 27 08:35:01 <thedead1440> but its best you disable extras-devel and use merlin's extras-devel as the latter doesn't have hashsum error
Feb 27 08:35:35 <Jeffrey04> lol, the certificate problem still not fixed?
Feb 27 08:35:44 <thedead1440> yeah still not fixed...
Feb 27 08:35:48 <Jeffrey04> i remember seeing the thread on tmo quite some time ago
Feb 27 08:36:47 <thedead1440> Jeffrey04: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle/Repositories  <--- for explanation on the gpg key
Feb 27 08:40:05 <Jeffrey04> thedead1440: changed repo *finger-crossed*
Feb 27 08:40:08 <Jeffrey04> thanks for the help
Feb 27 08:41:16 <Macer> hm
Feb 27 08:41:41 <Macer> need a tabbed putty for symbian :/
Feb 27 08:41:47 <Macer> seriously missing that
Feb 27 08:41:54 <eccerr0r> is there a package that will upgrade the python-2.3.4 in scratchbox in the SDK?
Feb 27 08:42:19 <eccerr0r> ugh... that symbian putty I was using on my 5230 ate my battery.
Feb 27 08:42:40 <Macer> heh. the one on the e7 isnt too bad
Feb 27 08:42:53 <Jeffrey04> lol, all my catalogs are gone all of a sudden
Feb 27 08:42:55 <Macer> i didnt think the one on the n95 was bad a while back
Feb 27 08:43:25 <Macer> if i knew belle was so awesome i would have gotten an e£u a long while ago
Feb 27 08:43:33 <Macer> e7
Feb 27 08:43:44 <eccerr0r> so far I can leave openssh sessions on my n900 but symbian-putty s60v5 on my 5230 makes the phone get hot
Feb 27 08:44:04 <Macer> yeah. i miss using my n900
Feb 27 08:44:12 <Macer> my modem broke on it
Feb 27 08:44:19 <Macer> i use it at home sometimes as an nit
Feb 27 08:44:26 <Macer> might ebay it for parts soon
Feb 27 08:44:28 <eccerr0r> I miss the gps on my 5230... else... not really :D
Feb 27 08:44:50 <Macer> at least symbian belle has nokia drive
Feb 27 08:44:59 <eccerr0r> I broke the charging circuit on my 5230...else it wasn't that bad a phone...
Feb 27 08:45:13 <Macer> that ovi maps made me want to find whoever made it and shoot them in the face
Feb 27 08:45:29 <Macer> so they could never make anything... ever again
Feb 27 08:45:47 <eccerr0r> the ovi maps for the 5230 isn't that bad, the ovi maps for the n900 leaves much to be desired...
Feb 27 08:45:48 <Macer> it was awful
Feb 27 08:45:55 <Macer> heh
Feb 27 08:46:04 <Macer> yeah.. n810 was just as bad
Feb 27 08:46:21 <Macer> only thing that was good about were on device maps
Feb 27 08:46:26 <Macer> but drive does that too
Feb 27 08:46:28 <eccerr0r> the 5230 actually had turn by turn but it's not perfect.
Feb 27 08:46:31 <Macer> drive is awesome
Feb 27 08:46:37 <eccerr0r> n900... none.
Feb 27 08:47:00 <Macer> heh.. i cant remember... i remember trying to just get directions was a chore
Feb 27 08:47:34 <Macer> which in turn made me just go inside and swap the sim with my old G1 for gnav
Feb 27 08:47:42 <eccerr0r> yes, at most you'd get a list for directions... it's good enough for me I guess, as long as the maps are there and I can get my location.
Feb 27 08:48:01 <Macer> yeah.. but just getting to that point
Feb 27 08:48:14 <Macer> it was the most unintuitive nav app ever made heh
Feb 27 08:48:22 <eccerr0r> very true.
Feb 27 08:48:45 <Macer> i could speak to my G1 lol... drive to address...
Feb 27 08:48:59 <Macer> gnav only sucks because you need a net connection
Feb 27 08:49:08 <eccerr0r> I copied the 5230's ovimaps data to the n900, so at least it doesn't need to download anymore...
Feb 27 08:49:12 <Macer> i found out what a pain that was driving cross country
Feb 27 08:49:37 <Macer> i just use the e7 and download the US map
Feb 27 08:49:45 <eccerr0r> yeah the 5230's ovimaps just needed GSM for agps
Feb 27 08:49:56 <eccerr0r> it just takes a while to get a lock without it
Feb 27 08:50:19 <Macer> yah.. awesome part was when nokia took down the agps address
Feb 27 08:50:21 <eccerr0r> i haven't tried what the n900 does without GSM but has all of ovimaps downloaded.
Feb 27 08:50:22 <Macer> lol
Feb 27 08:50:29 <eccerr0r> heh...
Feb 27 08:50:32 <eccerr0r> that was fun.
Feb 27 08:50:35 <Macer> yah
Feb 27 08:50:41 <eccerr0r> supl.nokia.com. wtf.
Feb 27 08:50:47 <Macer> n900 takes like a year to lock
Feb 27 08:50:50 <Macer> without it
Feb 27 08:51:01 <Macer> if a bird flies by it.. it has to start over
Feb 27 08:52:20 <Macer> it is insane
Feb 27 08:52:23 <warfare> I need to reboot repository.maemo.org 
Feb 27 08:52:39 <Macer> dont do it!!
Feb 27 08:52:42 <Macer> heh
Feb 27 08:52:52 <eccerr0r> after thinking about it, the 5230 took a while to lock sometimes too, sometimes it was fast, but I don't know what supl server it was set to...
Feb 27 08:53:27 <Macer> sometimes it could just have a good enough ... whats the word im looking for?
Feb 27 08:53:41 <Macer> like if you used it the previous day
Feb 27 08:53:51 <eccerr0r> possible.
Feb 27 08:53:59 <Macer> i forgot what it was called
Feb 27 08:54:04 <eccerr0r> almanac?
Feb 27 08:54:11 <Macer> yes
Feb 27 08:55:32 <kerio> hm, is the NAND in the n900 SLC?
Feb 27 08:55:38 <eccerr0r> hmm.. i really should figure out a way to power the 5230/nuron externally...so it still can be used as a GPS... :D
Feb 27 08:55:41 <Macer> in the military we had these ancient gps systems called plgr
Feb 27 08:55:53 <Macer> looked like something from wargames
Feb 27 08:56:07 <Macer> and only gave coordinates
Feb 27 08:56:18 <Macer> took just as long to lock on and didnt have the agps
Feb 27 08:57:14 <eccerr0r> I highly doubt it's SLC... since it's so slow... heh j/k no clue about this...
Feb 27 08:57:42 <Macer> it is probably some class 2 embedded sdhc
Feb 27 08:57:50 <Macer> it is pretty bad
Feb 27 08:58:05 <Macer> ah well. zzz. take care
Feb 27 08:58:07 <kerio> Macer: yeah, it's not
Feb 27 08:58:14 <kerio> i'm talking about the NAND
Feb 27 08:59:15 <Jeffrey04> lol, added extras-devel mirror repo manually to HAM, and now it is broken
Feb 27 09:04:55 <thedead1440> Jeffrey04: what do you mean by broken? You can always remove the repos and why not just use apt-get? HAM is painfully slow anyway
Feb 27 09:05:17 <Jeffrey04> now clicking catalog doesn't show the repo (empty list)
Feb 27 09:05:27 <Jeffrey04> and clicking install doesn't list all the available categories
Feb 27 09:05:42 <Jeffrey04> should have installed rootsh first ):
Feb 27 09:05:44 <thedead1440> can you check via terminal /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon*.list
Feb 27 09:06:24 <thedead1440> you can still install rootsh; download and click on it on device.
Feb 27 09:06:40 <thedead1440> http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb
Feb 27 09:06:59 <eccerr0r> the categories in HAM all disappear when the updates fail... should be able to update the source list in HAM and refresh and the options will show up again
Feb 27 09:07:29 <eccerr0r> at least that's what it seemed to do when I had none of the repositories enabled/working
Feb 27 09:07:31 <Jeffrey04> the repos are in the .list files
Feb 27 09:08:08 <Jeffrey04> packages list is back, but apparently connection to maemo.org timeout :(
Feb 27 09:08:21 <Jeffrey04> weird, probably will just stick with apt-get in future
Feb 27 09:09:31 <Jeffrey04> ooo, http://repository.maemo.org/ is down
Feb 27 09:12:11 <Jeffrey04> ok, ham seems to work now
Feb 27 09:12:29 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: rmo is down
Feb 27 09:13:12 <Jeffrey04> thedead1440: eccerr0r: thanks
Feb 27 09:13:19 <thedead1440> np ;)
Feb 27 09:13:57 <thedead1440> repo.maemo.org VM has just been rebooted maybe that's why its down
Feb 27 09:37:44 <thedead1440> rmo back up now thanks to warfare 
Feb 27 09:41:11 <kerio> dammit why am i not in the secret op channel :c
Feb 27 09:45:53 <jargon> still no extras-devel?
Feb 27 09:46:24 <Jeffrey04> yay~
Feb 27 09:46:27 <thedead1440> jargon: why not? extras-devel is up since quite sometime; it has hashsum issue for a small subset of packages only
Feb 27 09:46:58 <jargon> thedead1440: hmm. let me try again. wasn't working for yesterday
Feb 27 09:48:01 <jargon> thedead1440: no joy. still can't install frontcamera. is that one of the subset?
Feb 27 09:48:27 <thedead1440> not sure; does it say hash sum error?
Feb 27 09:48:50 <thedead1440> why not apt-get it otherwise? and install from /var/cache/archives/ using dpkg -i
Feb 27 09:48:51 <jargon> thedead1440: no, just says it can't download it
Feb 27 09:49:18 <thedead1440> maybe you need to refresh your catalogues as repos were down temporarily and have come back up now
Feb 27 09:49:18 <jargon> thedead1440: oh. i was told never to apt-get and always use the pkg manager
Feb 27 09:49:20 <jargon> hildon
Feb 27 09:50:00 <thedead1440> o.O apt-get should not be used when upgrading CSSU releases but i don't remember it being said for everything else
Feb 27 09:50:27 <jargon> thedead1440: doesn't it refresh the catalogues automatically on starting up hildon?
Feb 27 09:50:53 <thedead1440> jargon: not sure; i don't use ham much but it won't hurt to refresh it once more :D
Feb 27 09:50:55 <jargon> thedead1440: so i just open the terminal and run apt-get install frontcamera?
Feb 27 09:51:01 <thedead1440> yeah
Feb 27 09:51:05 <jargon> ok
Feb 27 11:27:48 <Pali> ~poettering
Feb 27 11:28:23 <Pali> Kay Sievers >> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-continue-writing-useful-programs
Feb 27 11:30:24 <narcos> Hey maemoers. I want to re-flash my N900. It seems the nokia page where I need to download the goods isn't working. Is this the correct page? - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
Feb 27 11:35:26 <narcos> Phew, I seem to have found the files from the last time I re-imaged
Feb 27 11:35:32 <jacekowski> ~mirrors
Feb 27 11:35:32 <infobot> well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
Feb 27 11:36:09 <narcos> jacekowski: Those seem to be repo mirrors, no?
Feb 27 11:36:29 <jacekowski> https://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/
Feb 27 11:37:01 <narcos> jacekowski: ah, great, thanks :)
Feb 27 11:37:36 <narcos> jacekowski: I don't suppose you have the hashes of those two files?
Feb 27 11:37:47 <narcos> ( to compare to my existing download of them )
Feb 27 11:38:05 <jacekowski> 33c78a65ec8d69a611567051d1f777ff  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Feb 27 11:38:08 <jacekowski> b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Feb 27 11:38:26 <narcos> Great, thank you!
Feb 27 11:39:37 <narcos> Odd that I have a different hash for RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, but same for the other
Feb 27 11:41:58 <narcos> Hm, I forget, do I flash the VANILLA or the PR_COMBINED first?
Feb 27 11:42:51 <narcos> "When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image"
Feb 27 11:43:19 * narcos isn't sure what the difference is
Feb 27 11:45:24 <Pali> ~seen romaxa
Feb 27 11:45:27 <infobot> romaxa <~romaxa@31.7.60.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 18h 27m 13s ago, saying: 'freemangordon: need to go at work, btw, I guess it would make sense keep most of discussions on #embedlite channel regarding embedlite (irc.mozilla.org)'.
Feb 27 11:50:40 <freemangordon> Pali: he went to sleep some 15 minutes ago :)
Feb 27 11:51:23 <Pali> ~factinfo poettering
Feb 27 11:51:23 <infobot> error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
Feb 27 11:51:23 <infobot> there's no such factoid as poettering, Pali
Feb 27 11:52:00 <freemangordon> Pali: you can reach him on #embedlite, mozilla.org
Feb 27 11:52:04 <Pali> hm, who deleted poettering?
Feb 27 11:52:21 <Pali> freemangordon, ok
Feb 27 11:52:24 <freemangordon> isn't it poetering
Feb 27 11:52:28 <freemangordon> ~poetering
Feb 27 11:52:44 <Pali> no, double t
Feb 27 11:52:49 <freemangordon> ~poettering
Feb 27 11:53:02 <narcos> Anyone have success using the flasher app on OSX? 
Feb 27 11:54:02 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: poettering was deleted!
Feb 27 11:54:04 <narcos> It seems the device is detected, but then it promptly fails - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5i5pYw9p
Feb 27 11:54:27 <Pali> narcos, use linux flasher for flashing
Feb 27 11:55:03 <narcos> Pali: You mean from Linux as opposed to OSX, or use the Linux version on OSX?
Feb 27 11:55:04 <Pali> on other systems it sometimes not working correctly
Feb 27 11:55:31 <Pali> boot linux and use linux version of flasher
Feb 27 11:55:48 <narcos> Pali: OK, I'll try my Linux VM, otherwise will go find a linux box
Feb 27 11:56:17 <Pali> forwarding usb port to VM is not good too...
Feb 27 11:56:56 <narcos> ahh
Feb 27 11:57:06 <narcos> Pali: OK, I'll go find a Linux machine
Feb 27 11:57:12 * narcos goes searching
Feb 27 11:58:32 <Pali> ok, if you want to do full reflash (also delete all data from MyDocs) flash in this order: combined, emmc, combined
Feb 27 11:59:02 <Pali> and do not boot device between flashing (only reboot)
Feb 27 11:59:58 * kerio uses os x
Feb 27 12:00:11 <kerio> ~listkeys poettering
Feb 27 12:00:13 <infobot> Factoid search of 'poettering' by key (1): poettering #DEL#.
Feb 27 12:00:19 <kerio> >:C
Feb 27 12:00:38 <Pali> poettering was there!
Feb 27 12:00:45 <Pali> ban him
Feb 27 12:00:46 <kerio> narcos: do you have some nokia shit installed?
Feb 27 12:00:52 <kerio> ~factinfo poettering
Feb 27 12:00:52 <infobot> error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
Feb 27 12:00:52 <infobot> there's no such factoid as poettering, kerio
Feb 27 12:01:00 <kerio> hm
Feb 27 12:04:08 <Pali> ~listkeys lennart
Feb 27 12:04:09 <infobot> Factoid search of 'lennart' by key (1): lennart.
Feb 27 12:04:18 <Pali> ~lennart
Feb 27 12:04:19 <infobot> Lennart is ~Poettering
Feb 27 12:04:25 <Pali> ~Poettering
Feb 27 12:04:38 <Pali> ~listkeys Poettering
Feb 27 12:04:39 <infobot> Factoid search of 'Poettering' by key (1): poettering #DEL#.
Feb 27 12:05:50 <Pali> kerio, do you know some replacement for ifplugd?
Feb 27 12:06:15 <kerio> \_o_/
Feb 27 12:06:24 <kerio> wicd maybe?
Feb 27 12:06:53 <Pali> ifplugd is simple daemon which execute script when ethernet cable is plugged/unpluged
Feb 27 12:07:00 <kerio> can't you use it?
Feb 27 12:07:07 <Pali> wicd doing more, I need simple daemon
Feb 27 12:07:26 <Pali> yes, I do not want to run poetteringed SW
Feb 27 12:10:07 <kerio> don't be silly
Feb 27 12:10:17 <Pali> ifplugd has one big bug:
Feb 27 12:10:32 <Pali> if peridically polling for link status
Feb 27 12:10:43 <Pali> every 1s
Feb 27 12:11:24 <Pali> so not possible to use it on laptop on battery
Feb 27 12:11:27 <kerio> does the kernel have a facility for plug notification?
Feb 27 12:11:33 <Pali> netlink
Feb 27 12:11:39 <Pali> I think it should have
Feb 27 12:12:20 <Pali> ha, I found something:
Feb 27 12:12:29 <Pali> netplug - network link monitor daemon
Feb 27 12:12:43 <Pali> It's similar to ifplugd, but uses NETLINK instead of regularly polling the link status. This improves power-consumption with laptops, but does not work with all network card.
Feb 27 12:13:11 <Pali> http://www.red-bean.com/~bos/
Feb 27 12:13:22 <kerio> yay
Feb 27 12:22:34 <Pali> nice, strace show me that netplug sleeping in poll syscall :-)
Feb 27 12:22:55 <Pali> no busy waiting for cable event :-)
Feb 27 12:45:04 <narcos> Pali: OK I found a Linux box, trying from there now
Feb 27 12:45:12 <Pali> ok
Feb 27 12:45:22 <narcos> kerio: What do you mean by 'some nokia shit installed' ?
Feb 27 12:46:11 <kerio> "nokia suite" or something like that
Feb 27 12:46:22 <narcos> kerio: no
Feb 27 12:46:33 * narcos goes looking for the flasher deb
Feb 27 12:46:34 <narcos> ~mirror
Feb 27 12:46:34 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
Feb 27 12:47:01 <kerio> Pali: is cold flashing only usable to flash a proper nolo?
Feb 27 12:47:30 <Pali> kerio, cold flash sending 2nd & nolo image via omap peripheral boot
Feb 27 12:47:53 <Pali> and seems that 2nd image flashing itself + nolo into n900 nand
Feb 27 12:48:02 <Pali> and then 2nd boot nolo
Feb 27 12:49:06 <narcos> Hrm, any tips on where to find the Flasher .deb package, I don't see it in the above links ?
Feb 27 12:49:41 <Pali> ~skeiron
Feb 27 12:49:41 <infobot> it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 27 12:49:48 <narcos> ( given that  http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is down )
Feb 27 12:50:04 <Pali> http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/
Feb 27 12:50:19 <Pali> download *Fremantle* flasher
Feb 27 12:51:20 <narcos> Pali: Great! maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb  , right?  ( Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit)  )
Feb 27 12:51:29 <Pali> yes
Feb 27 12:51:47 <narcos> k
Feb 27 12:56:41 <narcos> Pali: So, to confirm what you said earlier, I should run these 3 commands:   flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f  , flasher-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f  ,  flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f   . With no booting in between, just plugging in the phone and holding 'u'
Feb 27 12:57:10 <kerio> you forgot a -F
Feb 27 12:57:29 <kerio> and you'll need to reboot the phone between each
Feb 27 12:57:32 <narcos> kerio: Sharp eyes, thanks
Feb 27 12:57:39 <kerio> at least, it's advised
Feb 27 12:57:45 <narcos> kerio: So, -R , or manually reboot ?
Feb 27 12:57:52 <narcos> ( or same thing )
Feb 27 12:58:13 <kerio> i'd remove the battery between each step
Feb 27 12:58:16 <kerio> but it doesn't really matter
Feb 27 12:58:21 <Pali> you must only prevent booting system
Feb 27 12:58:35 <narcos> OK, thanks, giving it a go now
Feb 27 12:58:35 <kerio> the first combined is to make sure that the flashing of vanilla succeeds
Feb 27 12:58:44 <Pali> removing battery after reflash (and wait some time) should be safe
Feb 27 12:58:47 <narcos> ah ok
Feb 27 12:59:02 <kerio> once vanilla is flashed, flash combined and then you can do whatever
Feb 27 12:59:08 <Pali> you need (semi)working rootfs if you want to flash eMMC
Feb 27 12:59:47 <Pali> and flashing eMMC destroing rootfs, so you need to flash rootfs again
Feb 27 13:00:09 <narcos> aha, gotcha
Feb 27 13:00:47 <kerio> "destroying"
Feb 27 13:00:56 <narcos> heh
Feb 27 13:01:07 <Pali> :-)
Feb 27 13:01:11 <narcos> ah, this is looking good, much more activity than from OSX
Feb 27 13:01:12 <kerio> ~optification
Feb 27 13:01:13 <infobot> optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
Feb 27 13:01:21 <kerio> narcos: make sure to blacklist cdc_phonet
Feb 27 13:02:29 <Hurrian> narcos: fwiw, if you want to use Flasher on OSX, for some reason Installer doesn't put the dylibs in properly anymore, and you have to copy them out manually (or use Pacifist)
Feb 27 13:02:29 <Pali> flasher-3.5 (and 0xFFFF too) telling kernel to unload all kernels drivers attached to n900 usb
Feb 27 13:03:27 <Pali> kerio, look: https://lwn.net/Articles/536546/ and then: https://lwn.net/Articles/536548/
Feb 27 13:03:57 <kerio> haha
Feb 27 13:03:58 <kerio> nice
Feb 27 13:04:06 <narcos> kerio: Blacklist cdc_phonet - is that in terms of flashing from OSX?
Feb 27 13:04:12 <kerio> no, from linux
Feb 27 13:04:28 <narcos> kerio: I'm not sure what you mean by that?
Feb 27 13:04:32 <Pali> I think that last flasher should work without it
Feb 27 13:04:33 <narcos> Hurrian: Ahhh ok
Feb 27 13:04:57 <narcos> I'm already on the 3rd flash
Feb 27 13:05:02 <kerio> narcos: you have to make sure that the cdc_phonet module isn't loaded by anything
Feb 27 13:05:06 <Pali> kernel deattaching kernel drivers from n900 usb
Feb 27 13:05:08 <kerio> but whatever, if it worked it worked
Feb 27 13:06:17 <narcos> kerio: Ah right, on the Linux box
Feb 27 13:06:25 <kerio> is this your first n900?
Feb 27 13:06:31 <narcos> kerio: No
Feb 27 13:06:57 <kerio> just remember to install some flavour of cssu
Feb 27 13:07:21 <narcos> First Google hit: Christadelphian Sunday School Union
Feb 27 13:07:24 <narcos> Probably not that one
Feb 27 13:07:27 <kerio> wat
Feb 27 13:07:30 <kerio> ~cssu
Feb 27 13:07:31 <infobot> from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Feb 27 13:07:47 <narcos> Ja had found that one ;)
Feb 27 13:07:59 <narcos> Looks interesting
Feb 27 13:08:06 <kerio> cssu-testing is not installable at the moment, i think
Feb 27 13:08:49 <narcos> OK 3rd flash done, trying to boot
Feb 27 13:12:08 <narcos> Awesome, thanks guys :)
Feb 27 15:06:03 <Sicelo> how well does apk-env play with whatsapp on n900?
Feb 27 15:08:21 <MohammadAG> probably not good enough, whatsapp uses UI elements
Feb 27 15:09:10 <Sicelo> ok. for whatsapp, what would you recommend?
Feb 27 15:09:35 <Aoyagi_joytop> Suicide.
Feb 27 15:10:07 <ampharos[l]> slight problem with my N900 (just shipped :D) - there's no catalogs!
Feb 27 15:10:20 <ampharos[l]> App Managaer says so, I checked, nothing!
Feb 27 15:10:27 <ampharos[l]> I presume I want the stock catalogs
Feb 27 15:10:45 <Aoyagi_joytop> Hm. Isn't that related with repos still being probably down?
Feb 27 15:10:51 <Sicelo> lol Aoyagi_joytop. anyway, it's not that I want whatsapp.. i'm forced to use whatsapp (at work)
Feb 27 15:10:58 <ampharos[l]> no
Feb 27 15:11:09 <ampharos[l]> there are none at all since the dude did a factory reset
Feb 27 15:11:20 <ampharos[l]> the repos are up anyways (my n800 can attest)
Feb 27 15:11:38 <Aoyagi_joytop> Oh, I should get up to date with the news then.
Feb 27 15:11:40 * Aoyagi_joytop consults the topic
Feb 27 15:12:03 <Sicelo> ampharos[l]: HAM does that sometimes.. don't panic. more likely the catalogs ARE there :-P
Feb 27 15:12:04 <Aoyagi_joytop> Sicelo: Hah, that's quite unfortunate.
Feb 27 15:12:32 <ampharos[l]> reboot then?
Feb 27 15:13:32 <ampharos[l]> closed it, it's taking its time loading the catalogues, and they're back...
Feb 27 15:13:32 <Sicelo> test in terminal.. maybe 'apt-get update'
Feb 27 15:13:38 <Sicelo> :D
Feb 27 15:13:44 <Sicelo> exactly ;-)
Feb 27 15:13:46 <ampharos[l]> it's working
Feb 27 15:13:53 <ampharos[l]> no updates, woo
Feb 27 15:13:59 <Sicelo> MohammadAG: btw, good to see you :)
Feb 27 15:15:08 <MohammadAG> I've always been here :P
Feb 27 15:15:19 <ampharos[l]> wow the N900 is small
Feb 27 15:15:20 <MohammadAG> Sicelo, isn't there a whatsapp app?
Feb 27 15:15:27 <ampharos[l]> it's just slightly bigger than the screen of the N800
Feb 27 15:16:14 <Sicelo> can't make up my mind between Yappari and the Java one .. though maybe someone had experience of both
Feb 27 15:19:54 <kerio> well, yappari kinda works
Feb 27 15:21:21 <ampharos[l]> wait, how do I install software from CLI? sudo doesn't work so I think I'm stupid
Feb 27 15:22:29 <kerio> you need some kind of root access
Feb 27 15:22:41 <kerio> installing openssh will let you set the root password
Feb 27 15:23:21 <ampharos[l]> that'd be great, except I'm trying to install openssh
Feb 27 15:23:50 <kerio> use HAM
Feb 27 15:24:58 <ampharos[l]> Download of "OpenSSH Client" failed. Try Again?
Feb 27 15:25:44 <kerio> do you have extras-devel enabled?
Feb 27 15:26:27 <ampharos[l]> repository.maemo.org/extras/ is on
Feb 27 15:27:20 <ampharos[l]> i presume I need to add extras-devel?
Feb 27 15:27:47 <kerio> no you don't
Feb 27 15:27:54 <kerio> and "failed" shouldn't really happen
Feb 27 15:28:02 <kerio> can you get a more specific error message of some sorts?
Feb 27 15:28:12 <ampharos[l]> it just gives yes or no
Feb 27 15:28:15 <ampharos[l]> yes repeats and fails
Feb 27 15:29:21 <ampharos[l]> 503 Service Unavailable it seems
Feb 27 15:29:50 <ampharos[l]> odd, my N800 seems to connect the maemo repos fine (freemantle problem?)
Feb 27 15:32:21 <ampharos[l]> log http://ompldr.org/vaGx0Mw/log.txt
Feb 27 15:33:28 <MohammadAG> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/o/openssh/openssh-common_5.1p1-6.maemo5_armel.deb seems to be down
Feb 27 15:34:53 <ampharos[l]> oh no D:
Feb 27 15:36:01 <thedead1440> use the files from here otherwise: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/o/openssh/
Feb 27 15:37:13 <amospalla> when repositories are working, I should update them without modifying them, right?
Feb 27 15:37:30 <amospalla> with my old repositories settings, I mean
Feb 27 15:37:53 <thedead1440> ampharos[l]: again thanks to warfare the issue has been fixed
Feb 27 15:38:02 <thedead1440> try it again it should work now
Feb 27 15:44:33 <Sicelo> kerio: according to the first few posts of the yappari thread, looks like you also need to have successfully setup the java port? weird
Feb 27 15:45:08 <thedead1440> Sicelo: that's old instructions; Yappari doesn't depend on the java port anymore and the java port actually doesn't work anymore. 
Feb 27 15:46:45 <Sicelo> ah. cool. :-)
Feb 27 15:47:45 <ampharos[l]> it's working now
Feb 27 15:47:47 <ampharos[l]> thans
Feb 27 15:50:47 <ampharos[l]> which is the best su tool? in maemo 4 I use rootsh
Feb 27 15:52:21 <Sicelo> sudo su - or sudo -i , i believe
Feb 27 15:53:07 <ampharos[l]> i don't think sudo works - it asks for a password
Feb 27 15:56:48 <kwtm> Hi! Need some quick help (I've got 5min left). Under what directory do I find the videos/photos that I've taken with the N900 built-in camera?
Feb 27 15:57:39 <ampharos[l]> N900 -> DCIM
Feb 27 15:58:12 <ampharos[l]> little counter-intuitive but it's what every camera since the invention of fire uses
Feb 27 16:00:01 <kwtm> Sorry, what is N900 -> DCIM ?  Is there a /N900 directory under the root directory?  I don't see it.  Do I have to be root to see it?
Feb 27 16:00:13 <Sicelo>  /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM or /media/mc1/DCIM 
Feb 27 16:00:22 <kwtm> Oh, I guess I wasn't clear.  I'm ssh'ing into the N900 and trying to pull out the files by fish://
Feb 27 16:00:31 <kwtm> Got it Sicelo Thx
Feb 27 16:00:32 <ampharos[l]> why?
Feb 27 16:05:03 <kwtm> Sicelo: It worked! Thanks!.  ampharos[l], I will leave it as an exercise to you to figure out why on earth I would ever want to get my photo/video files from my N900.
Feb 27 16:05:29 <ampharos[l]> usually you could just use USB and mount MyDocs
Feb 27 16:05:45 <ampharos[l]> unless his USB is totalled...
Feb 27 16:06:54 <Sicelo> lots of valid reason to do so ;-)
Feb 27 16:07:38 <Sicelo> ampharos[l]: about root, there is rootsh for fremantle (which i installed long ago) .. it appears that it's not 'exactly' the recommended way to become root.
Feb 27 16:07:50 <kerio> it's a huge kludge
Feb 27 16:07:54 <Sicelo> try to ssh into N900 as root.. should work
Feb 27 16:08:22 <Sicelo> ah.. kerio is here.. he can guide you better :-)
Feb 27 16:08:50 <kerio> what
Feb 27 16:08:51 <kerio> no
Feb 27 16:08:53 <kerio> no i'm not
Feb 27 16:08:54 * kerio flees
Feb 27 16:09:02 <Sicelo> :D
Feb 27 16:14:44 <kerio> ampharos[l]: rootsh is a piece of crap, set up your own sudoers file
Feb 27 16:48:36 <narcos> Hm, I assume maemo should be able to read FAT32, right?
Feb 27 16:49:30 <narcos> "Memory card format unsupported"
Feb 27 16:50:53 <Sicelo> maybe dead card.
Feb 27 16:51:20 <Sicelo> you can install CLI tools on N900, suck as cfdisk..
Feb 27 16:51:47 <narcos> Sicelo: I can read/write to it on Ubuntu
Feb 27 16:53:11 <Sicelo> hmm, check to see if you 'really' have a partition there.. btw, you can try to mount it in N900 from terminal.
Feb 27 16:54:47 <narcos> Sicelo: Can the default user 'sudo' to use mount?
Feb 27 16:56:15 <Sicelo> no
Feb 27 16:56:51 <Sicelo> well, i'm not sure i understand you.. if you can 'sudo apt-get get install..' then you can also 'sido mount..'
Feb 27 17:00:30 <narcos> Sicelo: On a fresh install I don't think we get given root/sudo access with the default user account I mean - without installing rootsh ?
Feb 27 17:00:38 * narcos tries reformatting the card
Feb 27 17:02:13 <Sicelo> btw, some cards don't play well with N900.. i think Kingstons... check TMO
Feb 27 17:02:25 <kerio> fwiw the UI should be able to reformat the card
Feb 27 17:06:26 <narcos> Sicelo: ah, it is a Kingston
Feb 27 17:06:40 <narcos> I'm doing a complete format, so it's taking some time
Feb 27 17:22:48 <narcos> still unable to. Perhaps it's the Kingston theory.
Feb 27 17:25:29 <kerio> meh
Feb 27 17:25:41 <kerio> narcos: try installing kernel-power
Feb 27 17:39:38 <Pali> narcos, check dmesg if card was detected
Feb 27 17:39:58 <Pali> and also do not forget to close back cover!
Feb 27 17:44:37 <ampharos[l]> holy being able to use C# compilers on my phone is awesome :D
Feb 27 17:48:54 <Estel_> Pali,  how to stop shutting down device on low power, or whole bme replacement, to get same results?
Feb 27 17:49:32 <Estel_> it's working ok, but on single-cell battery (device of family member) it's extremely hard to calibrate bq27x00
Feb 27 17:49:39 <kerio> hrmpf, how is PATH set when you run sudo
Feb 27 17:49:41 <kerio> i don't get it
Feb 27 17:49:42 <Estel_> as device is shut down like with normal bme
Feb 27 17:50:10 <Pali> Estel_, bme replacement will shutdown device when EDV1 flag is set (so calibration is done)
Feb 27 17:50:14 <Estel_> bTW, I insist on user-configurable (via sysfs?) voltage treeshold for shutting down device
Feb 27 17:50:19 <Estel_> Pali,  not the case her
Feb 27 17:50:21 <Estel_> here*
Feb 27 17:50:36 <Estel_> device with vdq1 whole time, discharged till shutdown
Feb 27 17:50:42 <kerio> Pali: yeah, it doesn't do that here either
Feb 27 17:50:53 <Estel_> still "calibration requiredn flag is set and no data update
Feb 27 17:51:00 <Pali> hm, maybe when battery is not calibrated it ignoring edv1 flag
Feb 27 17:51:04 <Pali> I will look at it
Feb 27 17:51:08 <Estel_> thanks
Feb 27 17:51:09 <kerio> it's calibrated here
Feb 27 17:51:20 <kerio> it doesn't shut down at EDV1, it shuts down at EDVF i think
Feb 27 17:51:24 <Estel_> I still insist on user-configurable shutting down treeshold, yet
Feb 27 17:51:31 <Pali> kerio, no it was changed to edv1
Feb 27 17:51:38 <kerio> hm, then maybe it does?
Feb 27 17:51:44 <Estel_> I would like to shut my device down on 3000 mv, not 3148, on dual-cell it's quite some mAh
Feb 27 17:51:46 <Estel_> ~70
Feb 27 17:51:46 <infobot> 70 are easy
Feb 27 17:51:47 <kerio> and it means that you can't calibrate without shutting down
Feb 27 17:51:59 <kerio> i agree, 3000 is better
Feb 27 17:52:04 <Pali> because I get more times errors from CellMO
Feb 27 17:52:12 <Estel_> Pali,  user configurable
Feb 27 17:52:17 <Estel_> with default on edv1?
Feb 27 17:52:36 <Estel_> I don't care about cellMO errors (which I don't get even on 2900 mV, btw)
Feb 27 17:52:37 <Pali> now default is edv1
Feb 27 17:52:40 <kerio> Estel_: you're not supposed to shut down on EDV1 though
Feb 27 17:52:42 <Pali> before it was edvf
Feb 27 17:52:54 <Estel_> Pali,  but edv need to be for 15 seconds plus
Feb 27 17:52:57 <Estel_> or no calibration
Feb 27 17:53:07 <Pali> really?
Feb 27 17:53:08 <Estel_> so shutting down on edv1 = no calibration, ever
Feb 27 17:53:10 <Estel_> yes
Feb 27 17:53:29 <Estel_> it calibrates after 15 sec of being on edv1, witohut jumping above limit
Feb 27 17:53:32 <Estel_> jumping above resets timer
Feb 27 17:53:44 <Pali> ok, I will add some timeout
Feb 27 17:53:50 * Estel_ nod
Feb 27 17:53:51 <Estel_> thanks
Feb 27 17:53:53 <Estel_> nods*
Feb 27 17:54:08 <Estel_> and what about my request to make it user configurable like charging current? 
Feb 27 17:54:15 <Estel_> shouldn't be too troubling to code?
Feb 27 17:54:42 <Estel_> you know, like charge current ot termination current
Feb 27 17:55:27 <Estel_> it's 70-100 mAh gain for big battery users, being able to set it lower
Feb 27 17:55:56 <Estel_> OTOH, some people may experience instability of gsm modem in certain situations even above edv1, so they could set it higher
Feb 27 17:56:18 <Estel_> ^ Pali
Feb 27 17:59:23 <narcos> Pali: Yeah dmesg sees the card
Feb 27 17:59:32 <narcos> Well, saw, I'm trying a different card now
Feb 27 18:18:45 <ampharos[l]> no new updates? I'm on PR1.2...
Feb 27 18:19:04 <kerio> fwiw you should reflash to install pr 1.3 properly
Feb 27 18:19:11 <kerio> but meh, updating to cssu should work
Feb 27 18:20:36 <ampharos[l]> appearantly I need to upgrade to 1.3 first before CSSU
Feb 27 18:26:08 <juedan> What dbus messages are sent out when the N900 connects to the WLAN?
Feb 27 18:48:45 <DocScrutinizer05> no, cssu update requires PR1.3 or Pr.1.3.1
Feb 27 18:48:57 <ampharos[l]> yeah that;s the problem... how do I install it
Feb 27 18:49:06 <ampharos[l]> ham (delicious) says there's no updates
Feb 27 18:50:05 <DocScrutinizer05> since SSU update to PR1.3 happened like 2 years ago, or 3, it's literally expired ATM, so your best option is to flash COMBINED
Feb 27 18:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I actually wonder how anybody can have PR1.2 on his device nowadays
Feb 27 18:51:17 <ampharos[l]> i just got it
Feb 27 18:51:31 <DocScrutinizer05> then you should reflash it anyway
Feb 27 18:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> full reflash
Feb 27 18:51:38 <ampharos[l]> good idea
Feb 27 18:51:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flash
Feb 27 18:51:40 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Feb 27 18:51:42 <ampharos[l]> havwn't done much so far
Feb 27 18:52:57 <DocScrutinizer05> notice 
Feb 27 18:53:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~skeiron
Feb 27 18:53:00 <infobot> i guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 27 18:53:20 <DocScrutinizer05> nokia servers for flasher and fiasco images are defunct atm
Feb 27 18:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> since Nemein detected some "security flaws" in the stage master on maeo.org that provides content to tablets-dev.nokia.com
Feb 27 18:54:54 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Feb 27 18:55:46 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, who and why deleted ~poettering?
Feb 27 18:56:01 <kerio> hold on, so tablets-dev is somewhere on *.maemo.org right?
Feb 27 18:56:03 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how you can dare to take down stage master for tablets-dev and accept tablets-dev.nokia.com going down for months
Feb 27 18:56:05 <kerio> why can't we make it public?
Feb 27 18:56:18 <kerio> also yes, someone deleted ~poettering
Feb 27 18:56:20 <kerio> make him pay
Feb 27 18:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I did
Feb 27 18:57:00 <kerio> D:
Feb 27 18:57:04 <kerio> make yourself pay
Feb 27 18:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I wasn't quite happy with it anymore
Feb 27 18:59:21 <DocScrutinizer05> a) it doesn't help teaching this guy to act in a less annoying way b) it made me look like an idiot, on factinfo
Feb 27 18:59:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you're free to define a new factoid
Feb 27 19:00:03 <ampharos[l]> it was a sad day when I saw "Checking for updates" on my N800 stall for a month
Feb 27 19:00:22 <ampharos[l]> it's kinda back up, but now I have this N900
Feb 27 19:00:29 <kerio> yay n900
Feb 27 19:01:50 <ampharos[l]> and now i wait for it to charge
Feb 27 19:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> c) it didn't meet infobot factoid database standards for correct and eloquent english
Feb 27 19:02:43 <ampharos[l]> sucks I'm using the charger and the av cable, but the earbuds from the N800 are still great anyways, all my TVs are CRTs, and everyone have 500 USB chargers lying around anyways
Feb 27 19:02:57 <ampharos[l]> *missing
Feb 27 19:03:13 <kerio> i actually checked
Feb 27 19:03:21 <kerio> none of my usb chargers reach 1A
Feb 27 19:03:35 * eccerr0r needs to get a "good" charger...
Feb 27 19:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Feb 27 19:03:48 <kerio> except for the nokia wallcharger obviously
Feb 27 19:04:04 <ampharos[l]> i have a bunch of nokia 2.5mm ended ones
Feb 27 19:04:48 <ampharos[l]> because for some reason I have a stack of C3-00s (that I can cannabilize for batteries - series 40 sucks) and my N800... and a brick that makes calls
Feb 27 19:06:07 * eccerr0r needs to open his n900 and *really* solder the microusb port on...
Feb 27 19:06:55 <ampharos[l]> i have no idea if my N900 is US or global
Feb 27 19:07:03 <kerio> ampharos[l]: global
Feb 27 19:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> gloobal
Feb 27 19:07:13 <kerio> no, global
Feb 27 19:07:14 <ampharos[l]> global
Feb 27 19:07:20 <ampharos[l]> s a universal firmware?
Feb 27 19:07:24 <kerio> yep
Feb 27 19:07:41 <ampharos[l]> stupid apostrophe - i keep hitting it and enter at the same time
Feb 27 19:08:25 <DocScrutinizer05> there seem to be some small differences in modem firmware for US, but nobody ever reported anything but troubles during flashing with the US modem firmware
Feb 27 19:08:40 <kerio> weeeeeeeeeell, the fmtx changes too
Feb 27 19:08:41 <ampharos[l]> (also - N900 is my first device that does WPS - never had to hit the button on my router before, ever)
Feb 27 19:09:00 <ampharos[l]> i'm in canada - i think we use US freq. though
Feb 27 19:09:00 <kerio> some regions don't have it enabled
Feb 27 19:09:03 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: oh right
Feb 27 19:09:06 <kerio> ampharos[l]: oh shit, disable it immediately
Feb 27 19:09:45 <ampharos[l]> yeah
Feb 27 19:09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ampharos[l]: it's not about frequencies (except for FMTX maybe)
Feb 27 19:09:53 <kerio> seriously
Feb 27 19:10:04 <kerio> it can be bruteforced in a couple of hours
Feb 27 19:10:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or a couple of seconds
Feb 27 19:10:27 <eccerr0r> which is worse... WPS or WEP...
Feb 27 19:10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> WPS
Feb 27 19:10:35 <ampharos[l]> both at the same time
Feb 27 19:10:43 <kerio> they're both awful
Feb 27 19:10:56 <ampharos[l]> while wireless n is off...
Feb 27 19:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> WPS is sophisticated BS while WEP is silly simple BS
Feb 27 19:11:42 <DocScrutinizer05> WWEP has better compatibility
Feb 27 19:11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> WEP even
Feb 27 19:11:53 <eccerr0r> so I guess WPS is worse :D
Feb 27 19:12:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so if I had the choice, I'd opt for WEP any day
Feb 27 19:12:23 <kerio> ampharos[l]: wps uses an 8 digit pin
Feb 27 19:12:26 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody needs or wants WPS
Feb 27 19:12:30 <ampharos[l]> what pin?
Feb 27 19:12:31 <kerio> but the 8th digit is a checksum, so it's 7 digits
Feb 27 19:12:54 <kerio> and the first four can be checked independently, because the implementers apparently never so much *looked* at a security book
Feb 27 19:13:23 <kerio> so that's 11000 tries at worst to enter your network
Feb 27 19:13:26 <eccerr0r> you know what's crappy security? n900 security lock, heh...
Feb 27 19:13:45 <kerio> ampharos[l]: wps has a numeric pin access too
Feb 27 19:13:50 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no such thing like N900 security lock
Feb 27 19:14:08 <kerio> s/ lock//
Feb 27 19:14:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so yes, that's crappy security ;-P
Feb 27 19:14:18 <eccerr0r> :D
Feb 27 19:15:15 <eccerr0r> might be worth to setup cryptoloop or something... :\  just no hw security.
Feb 27 19:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> if you meant device lock, it's only to block your kids and friends to play with your phone while you're pooping
Feb 27 19:16:22 <DocScrutinizer05> once you got physical possession of some hw, there's hardly every decent security in such hw anymore
Feb 27 19:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> s/every/ever/
Feb 27 19:16:45 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: once you got physical possession of some hw, there's hardly ever decent security in such hw anymore
Feb 27 19:17:05 <ampharos[l]> why not use it while pooping?
Feb 27 19:17:13 <ampharos[l]> for the longest time my n800 was my toilet companion
Feb 27 19:17:17 <eccerr0r> :D
Feb 27 19:17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> even some supposedly hardened security usb storage sticks are cheating like ....
Feb 27 19:17:46 <kerio> ampharos[l]: laptop
Feb 27 19:18:14 <eccerr0r> my n900 is usually in my pocket, my laptop isn't... :(
Feb 27 19:18:16 <DocScrutinizer05> like e.g. simply EXORing the data with a plaintext pasphrase, if at all
Feb 27 19:18:50 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how are those supposed to work anyway
Feb 27 19:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> they have a "unlock app" in .inf
Feb 27 19:19:12 <kerio> meh
Feb 27 19:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Feb 27 19:19:48 <ampharos[l]> i hjave a laptop
Feb 27 19:20:28 <eccerr0r> the n900 is a more convenient toilet companion than even my ultrabook... :(
Feb 27 19:20:44 <ampharos[l]> i don't want to lug a large laptop to the bathroom
Feb 27 19:21:03 <ampharos[l]> or piss splashes up into the battery of fans
Feb 27 19:21:28 <eccerr0r> or netbook even... have one of those too... but by golly the keyboard sucks on the n900 still :\
Feb 27 19:21:53 <kerio> ampharos[l]: dude you're not supposed to put the laptop *in* the toilet
Feb 27 19:22:23 <DocScrutinizer05> unless it's a panasonic toughbook ;-P
Feb 27 19:22:36 <DocScrutinizer05> which wouldn't deserve but could stand it
Feb 27 19:22:38 <kerio> even then...
Feb 27 19:22:53 <ampharos[l]> it's a nokia
Feb 27 19:23:02 <ampharos[l]> what's the worst that could happen? the toilet breaks
Feb 27 19:23:29 <ampharos[l]> my N800, C3 stack and 3595 are relegated to "beat people with"
Feb 27 19:23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> toilet breaking on pana CF-29 only
Feb 27 19:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> better use Cf-29 to beat people with, as well. It's Afghanistan-proved
Feb 27 19:24:39 <ampharos[l]> i have no toughbook
Feb 27 19:24:53 <ampharos[l]> would a thinkpad do in a pinch? 486, but tough as nails like all TPs
Feb 27 19:25:31 <ampharos[l]> except the keyboard, this particular thinkpad has a folding keyboard
Feb 27 19:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> friggin TP T500 fan broke for me after 7 months
Feb 27 19:25:55 <ampharos[l]> i have a 701cs - motherboard ram is bad
Feb 27 19:26:30 <ampharos[l]> 486 DX4 @ 75 Mhz, 24 MB RAM, 520 MB disk, folding keyboard, it';s pretty cool
Feb 27 19:26:34 <DocScrutinizer05> now I'm back to decent mini tower, which is a whole new feeling of comuting
Feb 27 19:26:49 <DocScrutinizer05> no more overheating, RAW CPU GRUNT
Feb 27 19:26:56 <DocScrutinizer05> i5
Feb 27 19:27:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and SSD
Feb 27 19:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> fsck T500
Feb 27 19:27:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Feb 27 19:27:21 <ampharos[l]> i have a fast modern (Pentium D, but it's as good as it gets here) computer, but every so often I put my Pentium /// back - with linux she's fast
Feb 27 19:27:41 <ampharos[l]> i kill all pentium 4s - they have wronged be for being crap
Feb 27 19:27:57 <ampharos[l]> by kill I mean harvest their body
Feb 27 19:28:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: Panasonic recommends Windows 8.
Feb 27 19:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> lol, for sure not for CF-29
Feb 27 19:29:10 <ampharos[l]> ui'm running my P3 right now - maxed ram, 500 mhz CPU... all I need is USB2 and a front panel plug and it'd be a fine flashing machine
Feb 27 19:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> yes it's true, some of the pana TB peripherals are hard to get working non-M$ drivers for
Feb 27 19:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> like the touchscreen
Feb 27 19:29:35 <DocScrutinizer05> which now "works" under fedora on my CF-29
Feb 27 19:29:35 <kerio> ampharos[l]: ask DocScrutinizer05 for the specs of his latest computer
Feb 27 19:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: do you really suggest I need to do a dd now just to brag a bit?
Feb 27 19:30:41 <ampharos[l]> 5600 RPM IDE disk... not the fastest, but it's better than a dead disk
Feb 27 19:30:45 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: SSDs cheat, anyway
Feb 27 19:30:56 <kerio> you're never actually waiting for a flash page erase
Feb 27 19:31:07 <ampharos[l]> also, don't underestimate the performance of a Core 2/Core based Celeron
Feb 27 19:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> well, if they cheat, then they do that *very* good and in a convenient way
Feb 27 19:31:13 <ampharos[l]> those things are nippy and fast
Feb 27 19:31:18 <kerio> ampharos[l]: don't be silly
Feb 27 19:31:22 <ampharos[l]> if I had a dual-core in that laptop she'd fly
Feb 27 19:31:40 <ampharos[l]> I have low standards, possibly set by using Vista with 1 GB RAM for a year
Feb 27 19:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I sustained >500MB/s write speed for >45s
Feb 27 19:31:58 <ampharos[l]> and now I run Windows 8 with 1 GB RAM
Feb 27 19:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: then the copy been finished
Feb 27 19:32:19 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you get to a point where you get diminishing returns
Feb 27 19:32:20 <Estel_> ampharos[l],  makes me sick just by hearing about it
Feb 27 19:32:21 <ampharos[l]> slightly hard multitasking (vm, browser, or a game, pick 2)
Feb 27 19:32:31 <ampharos[l]> but it works, and DDR2 is expensive
Feb 27 19:32:41 <ampharos[l]> i make everyone cringe, but I'm not made of money
Feb 27 19:32:41 <Estel_> anything above xp with windows in name is uneatable
Feb 27 19:32:46 <ampharos[l]> xp was terrible
Feb 27 19:32:51 <ampharos[l]> insecurty os
Feb 27 19:33:02 <kerio> i mean, 1080p60 porn with 7.1 uncompressed audio...
Feb 27 19:33:04 <Estel_> said guy who's using 8 And used vista :D
Feb 27 19:33:07 <ampharos[l]> vista was better (after patches, never used 7, skipped to 8)
Feb 27 19:33:09 <DocScrutinizer05> but it *worked* kind of
Feb 27 19:33:25 <ampharos[l]> vista was secure and modern, and as long as you didn't use a Pentium 4 it was fine performance wise
Feb 27 19:33:36 <Estel_> xp was as secure as any windows it if you install shitload of patches and have sane firewall soft on router
Feb 27 19:33:41 <Estel_> preferably powered by linux :P
Feb 27 19:33:46 <DocScrutinizer05> vista was PITA-MAXIMA
Feb 27 19:33:48 <ampharos[l]> i rmemeber not being able to install AV for years
Feb 27 19:33:52 <ampharos[l]> or updates
Feb 27 19:33:56 <ampharos[l]> so screw xp
Feb 27 19:34:06 <ampharos[l]> vista was fine after slimming and patches
Feb 27 19:34:19 <Estel_> I never used any AV on XP for years withnout problems, since it was behind good router with better firewall
Feb 27 19:34:23 <ampharos[l]> as I said, skipped 7, but it seemed to be Vista SP3
Feb 27 19:34:27 <kerio> >vista after slimming and patches
Feb 27 19:34:27 <Sicelo> ampharos[l] speaks exactly like one of our MS 'gurus' at work
Feb 27 19:34:28 <Sicelo> :P
Feb 27 19:34:29 <kerio> that *is* windows 7
Feb 27 19:34:32 <Estel_> vista and fine is funny in one sentence
Feb 27 19:34:34 <ampharos[l]> i run debian 6
Feb 27 19:34:43 <Sicelo> he also skipped 7
Feb 27 19:34:46 <kerio> "i run debian 6" is also funny
Feb 27 19:34:46 <ampharos[l]> it's fine, and so is ubuntu LTS
Feb 27 19:34:46 <Estel_> Sicelo, lol :P
Feb 27 19:34:54 <ampharos[l]> stable is stable
Feb 27 19:34:57 <ampharos[l]> it's never broke
Feb 27 19:35:02 <kerio> stable is *old as fuck*
Feb 27 19:35:08 <kerio> which is the point, really
Feb 27 19:35:15 <ampharos[l]> RHEL didn't work at all on my box, so, yay?
Feb 27 19:35:17 <Estel_> ampharos[l],  then windows xp is bleeding edge in windows world, as everything later is backward :P
Feb 27 19:35:21 <Estel_> step backward
Feb 27 19:35:36 <Sicelo> i still think he sucks, lol. 
Feb 27 19:35:50 <kerio> ampharos[l]: my debian systems, even the one on my server, start with good intentions and then eventually degenerate to sid/experimental hybrids
Feb 27 19:35:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you needed 3h of hacking to make things work on vista that worked OOTB on XP, and you couldn't get stuff to work at all on vista that you needed 3h of hacking to make it work on XP
Feb 27 19:36:03 <ampharos[l]> i'm using backports, so...
Feb 27 19:36:07 <Estel_> Ä® still have windoze in one machine, and it's xp. If it ever get replaced, it will be another gnu/linux
Feb 27 19:36:12 <ampharos[l]> sometiomes I pull in Ubuntu PPAs, because I can
Feb 27 19:36:16 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer05,  haha
Feb 27 19:36:18 <ampharos[l]> it works, sometimes
Feb 27 19:36:30 <ampharos[l]> <em>sometimes</em>
Feb 27 19:36:31 <kerio> and right now, i still can't figure out a way to install steam on debian sid
Feb 27 19:36:35 <kerio> fucking ubuntu
Feb 27 19:36:46 <Estel_> steam if fu
Feb 27 19:36:48 <ampharos[l]> but I have a rage pro, so no steam
Feb 27 19:36:50 <Estel_> use GoG :P
Feb 27 19:36:56 <ampharos[l]> I tried Steam on Ubuntu
Feb 27 19:36:59 <ampharos[l]> it was buggy as hell
Feb 27 19:37:02 <ampharos[l]> insane bugs
Feb 27 19:37:05 <Estel_> another drm nonsense
Feb 27 19:37:09 <kerio> Estel_: team fortress 2
Feb 27 19:37:10 <ampharos[l]> though my Intel chipset was VMWare SVGA
Feb 27 19:37:12 <Sicelo> no offence ampharos[l], but this is the same guy who has brought a big company to a grinding halt, too stubborn to install an antivirus, because he can 'patch' stuff.
Feb 27 19:37:26 <Estel_> no idea why people ever use it, if GOG is cheaper, DRM free, more friendly, and got better games
Feb 27 19:37:31 <ampharos[l]> tf2
Feb 27 19:37:37 <ampharos[l]> i want to play tf2 but steam is buggy
Feb 27 19:37:38 <ampharos[l]> it'
Feb 27 19:37:42 <ampharos[l]> s buggy in windows
Feb 27 19:37:46 <ampharos[l]> it's insanely buggy on linux
Feb 27 19:37:50 <ampharos[l]> it's just frustrating
Feb 27 19:37:52 <Estel_> steam == buggy drm shit
Feb 27 19:38:05 <Estel_> GoG == no problem
Feb 27 19:38:09 <ampharos[l]> i just bought an xbox instead, isolates drm to that while my linux boxes are drm free
Feb 27 19:38:12 <ampharos[l]> gog doesn't have tf2
Feb 27 19:38:27 <ampharos[l]> only reason people use steam
Feb 27 19:38:30 <Estel_> can't get why some* people buy consoles, but, whatever
Feb 27 19:38:40 <Estel_> whatever it is :P
Feb 27 19:38:40 <kerio> ok, to be fair, team fortress 2 is kinda awful nowadays
Feb 27 19:38:53 <kerio> or maybe i just grew bored of it after ~450 hours
Feb 27 19:38:56 <ampharos[l]> it's too big
Feb 27 19:39:00 <ampharos[l]> 12.2 gb asasdsdf
Feb 27 19:39:00 <Estel_> no idea, mods to Arma are better :P
Feb 27 19:39:16 <kerio> *the one mod to Arma with zombies
Feb 27 19:39:18 <ampharos[l]> i'd play arma but I didn't like the first OpFlashpoint so....
Feb 27 19:39:23 <GeneralAntilles> To Each His Own
Feb 27 19:39:35 <Estel_> kerio, I would love if they would replace zombie apocalypse with fallout'ish like apocalypse
Feb 27 19:39:41 <Estel_> but, you can't have everything
Feb 27 19:39:59 <Estel_> at least we would have something fallout 3 should be, and what it wasn't :P
Feb 27 19:40:03 <ampharos[l]> ...destiny looks good, fallout style sci-fi multiplay post-apoc
Feb 27 19:40:18 <ampharos[l]> I'm waiting though. I never buy games on release, I wait first
Feb 27 19:40:33 <Estel_> as for fallout'ish games, wasteland 2 and nothing else matters
Feb 27 19:40:43 <ampharos[l]> wasteland 2 does look good
Feb 27 19:40:45 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: hi pal!
Feb 27 19:40:47 <kerio> nowadays, i mostly play red eclipse, and that's open source
Feb 27 19:40:47 <Estel_> can even forgive them not being FOSS :P
Feb 27 19:40:56 <ampharos[l]> i play doom 2
Feb 27 19:41:02 <Estel_> well, wasteland is kickstarter-founded
Feb 27 19:41:08 <ampharos[l]> and counter-stike: GO
Feb 27 19:41:13 <Pali> infobot: deb2dsc is on http://pastebin.com/ZPuYnZPr
Feb 27 19:41:13 <infobot> okay, Pali
Feb 27 19:41:26 <kerio> ampharos[l]: try red eclipse!
Feb 27 19:41:48 <kerio> it's a hardcore casual fps
Feb 27 19:41:48 <Estel_> Pali,  have you missed my rationale for sysfs entry for setting treeshold for shutting down device?
Feb 27 19:41:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: sorry that's BS, since pastebin entries expire rather quickly
Feb 27 19:41:57 <Estel_> also, Palip if you set times, it may be flawed too
Feb 27 19:42:08 <ampharos[l]> i love fast-paced shooters, but too many have a hardcore attitude "omg scrub leave"
Feb 27 19:42:12 <ampharos[l]> i like a relaxing one
Feb 27 19:42:12 <kerio> ampharos[l]: http://www.redeclipse.net/
Feb 27 19:42:17 <Estel_> 15 seconds after edv1 require voltage to be below edv1 whole time
Feb 27 19:42:21 <Pali> ON DEC 15TH, 2012 EXPIRES: NEVER
Feb 27 19:42:24 <ampharos[l]> i'll try it when I switch computers
Feb 27 19:42:33 <ampharos[l]> my rage pro only has working 3d in arch, and hahaha no
Feb 27 19:42:39 <Estel_> so timer xxx seconds after edv1 will still result in no calibration, most of the times
Feb 27 19:42:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: ok then
Feb 27 19:42:42 <ampharos[l]> i like my system working when I update
Feb 27 19:42:47 <kerio> ampharos[l]: it's got a ton of silly modes
Feb 27 19:42:53 <ampharos[l]> silly is good
Feb 27 19:42:57 <Pali> Estel_ not possible to create sysfs entry, because shutdown is called by dsme
Feb 27 19:42:57 <kerio> and obviously people only play instagib :P
Feb 27 19:43:00 <Pali> not kernel driver
Feb 27 19:43:01 <Estel_> either you recreate what bq27x00 does, or make it user configurable, which sounds better and less pita
Feb 27 19:43:06 <ampharos[l]> I loved halo 3, slow paced but lots of silly game modes possible
Feb 27 19:43:11 <Estel_> Pali, ok, so whatever else to configure it?
Feb 27 19:43:14 <Estel_> config file?
Feb 27 19:43:25 <kerio> gconf entry
Feb 27 19:43:28 <kerio> for hald-addon-bme
Feb 27 19:43:36 <Pali> hm, I will create something
Feb 27 19:43:41 <Estel_> thanks
Feb 27 19:43:45 <Estel_> be blessed, son
Feb 27 19:43:56 <Estel_> as current implementation is driving me nuts
Feb 27 19:44:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: though here "expires:" is empty
Feb 27 19:44:08 <Pali> read gconf key on hal startup, could be possible
Feb 27 19:44:13 <DocScrutinizer05> pastebin.com is a bitch anyway
Feb 27 19:44:20 <Estel_> yes, said!
Feb 27 19:44:24 <Estel_> (tm)
Feb 27 19:44:46 <ampharos[l]> i liek pastie.org
Feb 27 19:44:47 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer05,  zerobin sounds like OK
Feb 27 19:44:49 <ampharos[l]> works real nice
Feb 27 19:44:55 <kerio> Pali: hm, why startup?
Feb 27 19:45:11 <Pali> kerio, because handling gconf change needs more code
Feb 27 19:45:17 <ampharos[l]> of course if your logfile or something grew into megabytes (eww) i like uploading it whole on omploader
Feb 27 19:45:27 <kerio> Pali: hal can't be really restarted though
Feb 27 19:45:30 <kerio> so you'd have to reboot
Feb 27 19:45:41 <Pali> kerio, hal can be restarted
Feb 27 19:45:48 <Pali> but due nokia it is very tricky
Feb 27 19:46:07 <Pali> nokia did not implemented hal stop properly via upstart
Feb 27 19:46:29 <Pali> proper way yo stop hal is: sudo stop hal; sleep 5; sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop
Feb 27 19:46:47 <Pali> and then make sure with ps that hal is really not running
Feb 27 19:47:02 <Pali> starting is possible (when not running) with start hal
Feb 27 19:47:33 <kerio> Pali: anyway, gconf configurations often work automagically at any time
Feb 27 19:48:09 <kerio> so please consider having that configurable at ~any time
Feb 27 19:48:13 <Pali> kerio, if you have handler --> yes
Feb 27 19:49:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: 
Feb 27 19:49:30 <DocScrutinizer05>         for file in $(find deb/usr/share/doc/ -name $file -type f); do
Feb 27 19:49:31 <DocScrutinizer05>                 if test ! -f "$file"; then continue; fi
Feb 27 19:49:56 <DocScrutinizer05> double test for -f, path relative to CWD
Feb 27 19:50:42 <DocScrutinizer05> while former is redundant, the latter might be what you intended
Feb 27 19:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05>  gunzip -c "$file" > debian/changelog
Feb 27 19:54:29 <DocScrutinizer05>                         if test "$?" != "0"; then continue; fi
Feb 27 19:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ==   gunzip -c "$file" > debian/changelog || continue;
Feb 27 19:55:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ( I personally prefer [ ] over test... Matter of taste I guess)
Feb 27 19:56:47 <DocScrutinizer05> the "]" however helps to keep stuff readable and doublechecked
Feb 27 20:05:28 <eccerr0r> [ ... the command that looks like a delimiter...
Feb 27 20:24:55 <ampharos[l]> where did the windows flasher go>?
Feb 27 20:26:32 <ampharos[l]> it wasn't mirrored
Feb 27 20:26:54 <ampharos[l]> and i don't feel like setting it up on linux
Feb 27 20:29:22 <Estel_> use 0xFFFF on linux to flash N900
Feb 27 20:29:38 <Estel_> ~0xFFFF
Feb 27 20:30:56 <ampharos[l]> yeah but I don't want to reboot and find 32-bit libusb and stuff
Feb 27 20:31:09 <ampharos[l]> i'm already booted into windows on the flashtop
Feb 27 20:31:46 <Estel_> sorry, no idea where it's mirrored. Use cygwin? :D
Feb 27 20:33:50 <ampharos[l]> mingw for life!
Feb 27 20:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ampharos[l]: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ -> "maemo5 for nokia" -> "Command line flasher binaries are available *here*."
Feb 27 20:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe	3635195	Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Windows 7, XP and Vista (x86, 32-bit)
Feb 27 20:45:23 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what for a 50EUR per month for server get paid by a volunteer each month, when people don't even bother to follow some links to find what they search for
Feb 27 20:46:20 <ShadowJK> is it behind the tmo link?
Feb 27 20:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Feb 27 20:46:36 <ShadowJK> the mirror info
Feb 27 20:46:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirror
Feb 27 20:46:45 <infobot> hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
Feb 27 20:46:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~skeiron
Feb 27 20:46:50 <infobot> it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 27 20:50:11 <kerio> what the fucking fuck, "iputils-ping" is a symlink to busybox
Feb 27 20:50:34 <kerio> ~pkg
Feb 27 20:50:34 <infobot> rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
Feb 27 20:51:17 <narcos> Hm, to install the power-kernel from .deb pacakges, what more do I need to do than     "dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb  ,  dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb   ,  dpkg -i kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb"  ?
Feb 27 20:51:50 <kerio> oh nvm
Feb 27 20:55:59 <DocScrutinizer05> marseems sufficient
Feb 27 20:56:08 <kerio> narcos: that's correct, yes
Feb 27 20:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Feb 27 20:56:19 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: ^^^
Feb 27 20:56:23 <kerio> well, you probably also want kernel-power-settings
Feb 27 20:56:31 <kerio> but that's in the repos
Feb 27 20:56:34 <ampharos[l]> it's all flashed now
Feb 27 20:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> or you dont
Feb 27 20:57:32 <ampharos[l]> 20.2010.36-2 is latest, hmm?
Feb 27 20:57:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Feb 27 20:57:57 <ampharos[l]> awesome, thanks
Feb 27 20:57:59 <narcos> kerio, DocScrutinizer: After the above commands, and rebooting, 'uname -a' doesn't give me a power-kernlel ?
Feb 27 20:58:05 <kerio> it should
Feb 27 20:58:09 <kerio> especially the flasher
Feb 27 20:58:09 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Feb 27 20:58:18 <kerio> Linux kerio900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 14 17:38:57 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
Feb 27 20:58:25 <Sicelo> why are you installing an old one btw?
Feb 27 20:58:33 <kerio> oh, wait
Feb 27 20:58:35 <kerio> what the hell
Feb 27 20:58:47 <kerio> indeed, why are you installing version 46
Feb 27 20:58:50 <narcos> uname -r  ==> "2.6.28-omap1"
Feb 27 20:59:12 <kerio> i totally missed the version
Feb 27 20:59:33 <narcos> Hm, I don't know why - I got it from an old backup it seems
Feb 27 20:59:41 <narcos> and I had the .debs handy on a microsd card
Feb 27 20:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> i didn't bother since narcos asked "is it sufficient" not is it correct
Feb 27 20:59:51 <kerio> grab the KP52 debs from tmo
Feb 27 21:00:04 <narcos> DocScrutinizer: Er, sorry, is it correct, then?
Feb 27 21:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you probably want KP52 nowadays
Feb 27 21:00:33 <eccerr0r> dang, i'm still running 2.6.28-omap1... need to update...
Feb 27 21:00:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or at very least kp48
Feb 27 21:01:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~kp
Feb 27 21:01:27 <infobot> well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
Feb 27 21:02:00 <narcos> DocScrutinizer05: So, from my above commands  s/maemo46/maemo52/g  ?
Feb 27 21:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds kinda right, yes
Feb 27 21:02:27 <kerio> it would be -power52
Feb 27 21:02:28 <kerio> but yes
Feb 27 21:02:50 * narcos looks for the debs
Feb 27 21:02:57 <narcos> ~mirror
Feb 27 21:02:57 <infobot> well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
Feb 27 21:03:08 <kerio> no
Feb 27 21:03:14 <kerio> kp52 isn't autobuilt
Feb 27 21:03:21 <kerio> so it's not in repos
Feb 27 21:03:39 <narcos> ah
Feb 27 21:03:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~kp
Feb 27 21:03:43 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
Feb 27 21:04:29 <narcos> Great, thanks, *reads*
Feb 27 21:07:17 <narcos> So, to confirm, I need to add the extra-devel source, right? As with my 'out of the box' n900 I see '2.6.28-10power50' in the Hildon?
Feb 27 21:08:15 <DocScrutinizer05> *somewhere* in that lengthy thread Pali has buried the debs for kp52
Feb 27 21:08:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lart Pali
Feb 27 21:08:21 * infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Pali is stuck to the floor
Feb 27 21:08:59 * narcos looks
Feb 27 21:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> find those on tmo thread, download them and install similar to above dpkg -i
Feb 27 21:10:04 <Pali> fix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM
Feb 27 21:10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq!
Feb 27 21:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> go fix it yourself!
Feb 27 21:10:44 <DocScrutinizer05> edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241732&postcount=1 !!
Feb 27 21:11:32 <DocScrutinizer05> if only augmenting it with a link to more recent sources of info and debs
Feb 27 21:11:50 <narcos> Page 15 it seems - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665&page=15
Feb 27 21:17:50 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: :nod:
Feb 27 21:19:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: I'm tempted to clone builder VM, link it to xen and to a free IP, and appoint you for master sysop and maintainer
Feb 27 21:19:44 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: to prove to him that it's not easy, or to get a working autobuilder?
Feb 27 21:19:59 <DocScrutinizer05> then you can go all day and night for "fix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM"
Feb 27 21:20:21 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: whatever happens first ;-)
Feb 27 21:22:45 <narcos> DocScrutinizer05: Does the order matter ?
Feb 27 21:22:59 <narcos> ( i.e. is dpkg -i *.deb  OK )
Feb 27 21:23:19 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, first post updated
Feb 27 21:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: thanks
Feb 27 21:24:14 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: well, it kinda matters due to dependencies, I usually do dpkg -i kernel modules flasher; 3 times, after that all went thru ;-)
Feb 27 21:24:46 <narcos> DocScrutinizer05: Heh, gotcha.
Feb 27 21:24:55 <DocScrutinizer05> or dpkg -i *.deb
Feb 27 21:25:05 <DocScrutinizer05> 3 times
Feb 27 21:25:16 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: i thought you were allergic to anything with a "-power" in the name
Feb 27 21:25:22 <narcos> 3 is the magic number?
Feb 27 21:25:42 <kerio> narcos: dpkg sucks at dependency resolving
Feb 27 21:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> not really, but then I actually do NOT install PK usually either
Feb 27 21:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: 3 is the number of pkgs to install
Feb 27 21:26:05 <kerio> kernel-power-flasher has kernel-power as a pre-dependency
Feb 27 21:26:18 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: on each run it will install at least one
Feb 27 21:26:20 <kerio> so you're supposed to manually install kernel-power first
Feb 27 21:26:36 <kerio> and then, once kernel-power is fully installed, install kernel-power-flasher
Feb 27 21:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, or simply do dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb
Feb 27 21:27:23 <narcos> DocScrutinizer05: Oh right, clumsy
Feb 27 21:27:24 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: shaddup
Feb 27 21:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> best case your sequence is completely right and all three get installed by first run of dpkg while 2 and 3 are void, or worst case it's all inverted so it installs only one pkg per run
Feb 27 21:29:01 <narcos> Right, 3rd time lucky, *reboots*
Feb 27 21:29:37 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: kernel-power-modules is just a regular package, so you only need two runs anyway
Feb 27 21:29:50 <DocScrutinizer05> :shrug:
Feb 27 21:30:20 <DocScrutinizer05> counting takes longer than pressing shift-ctrl-v
Feb 27 21:31:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or cursor-up, enter
Feb 27 21:32:06 <DocScrutinizer05> never use your brain when there's a failsafe procedure where you don't need to
Feb 27 21:32:49 <narcos> Hello power-kernel.
Feb 27 21:33:00 <narcos> Thanks guys.
Feb 27 21:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> rather use the gained free "wetware CPU cycles" to think about the procedure and if it can get improved ;-)
Feb 27 21:34:30 <DocScrutinizer05> that's optimization 
Feb 27 21:34:40 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: yw
Feb 27 21:36:10 <narcos> Hm, I can't seem to find in my IRC logs, merlin1991 gave me a link the other day for adding Extras-devel to my sources ?
Feb 27 21:36:33 <narcos> ( That wasn't a question was it, rather, what's the best way to add the source? )
Feb 27 21:37:58 <kerio> http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install
Feb 27 21:38:02 <merlin1991> narcos: there's always http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/   or what kerio said :D
Feb 27 21:38:26 <narcos> merlin1991: Ah! I didn't realise all of this was being recorded.
Feb 27 21:38:30 <narcos> I'd better put a shrit on.
Feb 27 21:38:37 <narcos> ta kerio, merlin1991 
Feb 27 21:52:05 <narcos> Odd, github.com seems a bit borked. I can't browse any source via the browser.
Feb 27 21:56:42 <ampharos[l]> there a backlight control applet? I'm missing how on my N800 I could set the backlight however I wanted
Feb 27 21:56:54 <ampharos[l]> it goes darker than my N800 though
Feb 27 21:57:09 <ampharos[l]> that'
Feb 27 21:57:17 <ampharos[l]> s nice if I didn't have to open settings each time
Feb 27 21:57:18 <kerio> mce only has 5 levels, there's a "simple backlight applet" for the status menu
Feb 27 21:57:43 <ampharos[l]> just clock, profile, internet, bt, and presence
Feb 27 21:57:59 <kerio> it's not preinstalled
Feb 27 21:58:34 <ampharos[l]> oh right
Feb 27 21:58:41 <ampharos[l]> i'm slightly stupid
Feb 27 22:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ampharos[l]: simple brighnes applet
Feb 27 22:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh kerio beat me to it
Feb 27 22:16:46 <ampharos[l]> yeah I installed it
Feb 27 22:16:47 <ampharos[l]> fine now
Feb 27 22:17:26 <narcos> I'm trying to install netcat. According to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 - "These tools are available in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org"   (and netcat is listed there) , but 'apt-get install netcat' returns "couldn't find package"
Feb 27 22:17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org
Feb 27 22:18:41 <narcos> Oh, I think my tired brain interpreted that as that being the default repo
Feb 27 22:18:48 * narcos looks in his sources
Feb 27 22:19:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Feb 27 22:19:39 <infobot> from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Feb 27 22:20:26 <DocScrutinizer05> To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install (includes the catalogs aka repositories test, devel, and tools.
Feb 27 22:22:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation
Feb 27 22:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> To activate the tools repository with the Application Manager, http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install (does not work in PR 1.2 - please fix) open this single-click_2_install-3 file, or manually create a new catalogue like this:
Feb 27 22:23:23 <narcos> Burn my fingers, and my cat, you say? Sounds good.
Feb 27 22:24:04 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to check for duplicate catalogs in HAM after that
Feb 27 22:24:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it adds test, extras-devel, and tools repo
Feb 27 22:24:44 <narcos> ok awesome
Feb 27 22:24:55 <DocScrutinizer05> probably you want to delete test and extras-dev since you have them already
Feb 27 22:25:20 <narcos> Right - gotcha
Feb 27 22:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> you also shouldn'r keep test and extras-dev active same time, and usually disable extras-dev and tools after you installed a package
Feb 27 22:25:54 <narcos> heh @ "name = developer tools (**DOOM!**)"
Feb 27 22:25:57 <DocScrutinizer05> they are not meant for regular automatic updates of *everything*
Feb 27 22:26:10 <DocScrutinizer05> nice, isn't it? ;-P
Feb 27 22:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> however if you *see* this, you didn't click on the link in *your N900 browser*
Feb 27 22:27:16 <narcos> I haven't clicked any links yet, still reading and figuring stuff out
Feb 27 22:27:21 <DocScrutinizer05> if you did, it would get installed automagically
Feb 27 22:27:26 <narcos> ah
Feb 27 22:28:40 <narcos> What was that issue of "The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED, etc" all about? I remember having to fix it before reflashing, but I forget now, and Google is muddy
Feb 27 22:29:22 <DocScrutinizer05> it's about Nokia core packages repo that has expired GPG key so you can't install from it anymore
Feb 27 22:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> which breaks SSU en passant
Feb 27 22:29:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so no update pr1.2->1.3 either
Feb 27 22:30:00 <narcos> Sneaky pawn.
Feb 27 22:30:13 <narcos> What's the remedy?
Feb 27 22:30:25 <DocScrutinizer05> not install anything from there
Feb 27 22:30:34 <DocScrutinizer05> is tools affected? (I never checked)
Feb 27 22:31:16 <narcos> Right, so remove 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' from sources ?
Feb 27 22:31:24 <DocScrutinizer05> apart from PR1.3->PR1.3.1 update there's nothing to update from Nokia via SSU anyway
Feb 27 22:31:37 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't, it's a system repo
Feb 27 22:31:56 <narcos> Ah, so just ignore the message from 'apt-get update' ?
Feb 27 22:32:00 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Feb 27 22:32:04 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Feb 27 22:32:13 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a warning anyway
Feb 27 22:32:24 <DocScrutinizer05> not an error
Feb 27 22:32:37 <DocScrutinizer05> again, iirc
Feb 27 22:32:49 <narcos> True, "W: GPG...."
Feb 27 22:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> we're trying to prod Nokia subcontractors to update the GPG key
Feb 27 22:33:16 <narcos> ah ok
Feb 27 22:33:21 <DocScrutinizer05> seems a problem for them
Feb 27 22:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> (well, there are systematic roadblockers when a key already expired, but there's a solution been suggested to them, let's hope they find a way to implement it)
Feb 27 22:35:20 <DocScrutinizer05> (systematic) you can't update *anything* (incl key) when your key expired
Feb 27 22:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> they got a masterkey though that's still valid to sign a new 'normal' key update, just they can't convince the bosses to do that
Feb 27 22:36:31 * ShadowJK migrates to spare N900 with help of backupmenu
Feb 27 22:36:32 <narcos> How come?
Feb 27 22:36:41 <narcos> I guess Nokia doesn't really care about Maemo any longer
Feb 27 22:36:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or don't find the masterkey-privkey or whatever
Feb 27 22:42:51 <ShadowJK> w t f. Browsing auction site for another spare N900. Found one listed with price, and "or trade for offshore oil platform"
Feb 27 22:45:34 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Feb 27 22:45:36 <narcos> Fair trade.
Feb 27 22:45:44 <ShadowJK> oh i see, i missed the joke referring to the elopalypse speech
Feb 27 22:46:10 * DocScrutinizer05 too
Feb 27 22:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> how much?
Feb 27 22:47:11 <ShadowJK> dunno, it's at 80E, reserve not met
Feb 27 22:47:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, no "buy it now"?
Feb 27 22:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I thought since those pwn guys sell N900-based pentest devices for $1k, you can't find *any* good N900 anymore
Feb 27 22:49:15 <ShadowJK> questions to seller: 'How much cash would you include if I traded my "Friede & Goldman L-780 IC"-platform from 1980? 72 Berths, 1 hospital berth. Helipad for Sikorsky S-61 etc." ... seller replies "You sure it wont catch fire?"
Feb 27 22:49:20 <ShadowJK> pwn?
Feb 27 22:49:24 <ShadowJK> pentest?
Feb 27 22:49:25 * narcos has bought 7 N900s on eBay.co.uk for ?100 over the last year.
Feb 27 22:49:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Feb 27 22:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> pawn900 or whaever
Feb 27 22:50:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki pentest
Feb 27 22:50:36 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentest (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{ref improve|date=December 2012}} A 'penetration test', occasionally 'pentest', is a method of evaluating the computer security of a computer system or network by simulating an attack from malicious outsiders (who do not have an authorized means of accessing the organization's systems) and malicious insiders (who have some level of authorized access).{{cite ...
Feb 27 22:51:27 <narcos> pwnphone
Feb 27 22:51:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yes. that one
Feb 27 22:52:04 * narcos has a few of those.
Feb 27 22:52:13 <DocScrutinizer05> insane
Feb 27 22:52:23 <narcos> It has its uses
Feb 27 22:52:24 <narcos> But 
Feb 27 22:52:33 <narcos> Try loading up metasploit or something, and you will wait days.
Feb 27 22:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> they're selling N900 with FOSS tools and a crappy custom GUi for 3 times the price they are worth
Feb 27 22:52:56 * narcos has a better approach, of running the 'heavy' tools on a server, and just passing traffic through the N900.
Feb 27 22:53:17 <narcos> I know right, US $1,000 vs $100 on eBay.
Feb 27 22:53:36 <DocScrutinizer05> at *least* 3 times, yes
Feb 27 22:53:43 <ShadowJK> so this is my third cellmo-failure N900 now
Feb 27 22:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> the fsckng fsck!!!
Feb 27 22:54:13 <DocScrutinizer05> what do you do to them?
Feb 27 22:54:19 * ShadowJK shrugs
Feb 27 22:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> press kbd too hard?
Feb 27 22:54:37 * narcos has borked several USB charger ports.
Feb 27 22:55:06 <narcos> It's so common that any cell shop here as a fixed ?20 rate to re-solder.
Feb 27 22:55:17 <ShadowJK> My second failed at ~290 battery cycles, iirc. This one started acting up at 305 and is now silk-gloves-only at 308 cycles.
Feb 27 22:55:41 * DocScrutinizer05 has not had a single of those usual fatalities, just a borked FPC/ribbon early in usage of his first N900
Feb 27 22:55:41 <ShadowJK> It's frighteningly consistent :-)
Feb 27 22:56:45 <ShadowJK> Well, not really... as my power use has probably been reduced, and, third N900 has about 30% more battery capacity than second had
Feb 27 22:57:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm seriously worried about general PCB / mech design regarding keyboard and position of large chips
Feb 27 22:57:43 <DocScrutinizer05> one hard push to a key could already make the chip on opposite side of PCB snap off a few pins
Feb 27 22:59:13 <DocScrutinizer05> probably they were way better off using two unattached PCB layers for compinents and for kbd
Feb 27 22:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> components*
Feb 27 23:00:45 <ShadowJK> oops, forgot to swap sim cards
Feb 27 23:02:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: you ever tried the spring-load-on-chip fix for cellmo failure?
Feb 27 23:02:52 <ShadowJK> no
Feb 27 23:02:54 <ShadowJK> might do it on this
Feb 27 23:03:01 <ShadowJK> since modem still works sometimes
Feb 27 23:03:10 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Feb 27 23:16:09 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: I bough an hot air smd desoldering station for 50euro... the best for repair that kind of damages ;)
Feb 27 23:16:23 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: \o/
Feb 27 23:16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: indeed
Feb 27 23:17:13 <DocScrutinizer05> reflowing the cmt chip is strongly recommended to try fixing broken-cmt failure
Feb 27 23:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> but ... where on earth you get hot air reflow tools for 50EUR?
Feb 27 23:17:59 <xes> germany? :)
Feb 27 23:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Feb 27 23:18:08 <DocScrutinizer05> link please!
Feb 27 23:18:24 <ShadowJK> Same factory that makes hair dryers, the "smd rework" label costs 0.01E
Feb 27 23:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Feb 27 23:19:28 <DocScrutinizer05> proper temperature and airflow control is mandatory for such tool, yes
Feb 27 23:20:32 <xes> hum now it costs 70€: http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-ATTEN-AT-858D-858D-SMD-Hot-Rework-Digital-Station-Air-Solder-Blower-Gun-DE-/251126845973?pt=Schwei%C3%9F_L%C3%B6ttechnik&hash=item3a78539215
Feb 27 23:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and also you usually want to preheat the whole PCB to at least 80°C
Feb 27 23:21:11 <xes> china made, but it works really well
Feb 27 23:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> where the F is the german original text, the english translation is indigestible
Feb 27 23:24:56 <ShadowJK> "LED demonstrated that the power is formidable" ... "the amount of wind is formidable, and the wind is gentle"
Feb 27 23:25:27 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like somebody put a knot in his brain when trying to translate back to german to understand the meaning
Feb 27 23:25:49 <xes> umpf... http://www.eevblog.com/2011/04/25/eevblog-167-atten-858d-hot-air-rework-review/
Feb 27 23:26:03 <xes> and this guy is great! :)
Feb 27 23:26:07 <ShadowJK> im guessing it's chinese to english translation
Feb 27 23:27:31 <xes> ..one tool to rule them all ;)
Feb 27 23:27:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ohshit, actually on german ebay it's all the same gibbersih
Feb 27 23:28:42 <ShadowJK> "The sensor closed path, microcomputer zero crossing triggering controls warm"
Feb 27 23:29:14 <ShadowJK> Closed-loop mcu driven heat regulation with solid state relay
Feb 27 23:29:49 <ShadowJK> "LED demonstrated that the power is formidable"
Feb 27 23:29:57 <xes> http://www.attenelectronics.com/Products/Soldering_Tools/Reworking_stations/2012/0726/68.html
Feb 27 23:30:13 <ShadowJK> led lights up when desired temp is reached
Feb 27 23:30:22 <ShadowJK> rest is easy ;p
Feb 27 23:30:23 <xes> now someone from atten should send me some %..
Feb 27 23:30:58 <ShadowJK> brushless motor
Feb 27 23:33:14 <DocScrutinizer05> look at the shirt of this guy!!!! "I only give negative feedback" ROTFL!!!! :-D
Feb 27 23:38:11 <xes> so?
Feb 27 23:42:05 <eccerr0r> only analog EE's would understand that joke... heh
Feb 27 23:43:42 <eccerr0r> I wonder if I should get a bona fide hot air rework station, or get attachments for my non-heat-controllable heat gun...
Feb 27 23:46:17 <xes> "so?" was about the comments to the atten's tool... :)  An op amplifier is not so oscure. http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_only_give_negative_feedback_shirts-235418768503010114
Feb 27 23:58:13 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: awesome
Feb 27 23:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm almost temped to get one, though I haven't soldered *anything* for the last 12 months
Feb 27 23:59:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I might offer USB fixing service with one of those on my desk
Feb 27 23:59:29 <DocScrutinizer05> bench rather
Feb 28 00:00:46 <xes> as soon as you fix one device, you gain more than 70€
Feb 28 00:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Feb 28 00:02:46 <xes> usually i fix vga, laptop mainboard and phones. Often, also a partial "cooking" is enough
Feb 28 00:05:14 <xes> sometimes you kill the patient.. but often it comes to a new life
Feb 28 00:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Uses the original installation import not to brush the electrical machinery, the life is extremely long, the noise is minimum, << dang, this took a while to parse: they meant a brushless motor fan
Feb 28 00:14:04 <xes> the most important thing is that he does the job very well ..for a ridiculous price
Feb 28 00:30:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ordered :-D
Feb 28 00:31:36 <DocScrutinizer05> shipping D-Leipzig, 3..4days \o/
Feb 28 00:34:42 <DocScrutinizer05> *cough* wmo sloooow, seems fw needs a reboot?
Feb 28 00:35:30 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, uptime 5h
Feb 28 00:36:53 <DocScrutinizer05> strange
Feb 28 01:58:11 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, something wrong with maemo.org (old): wget http://maemo.org/community/council/ fails epically
Feb 28 01:58:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't find anything particularly wrong with load on machines or fw
Feb 28 02:01:17 <narcos> Hello @ http://wiki.maemo.org   "Couldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem)"
Feb 28 02:02:44 <narcos> Any hints on making a bash script run on boot?
Feb 28 02:03:45 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: well, at least you get THAT
Feb 28 02:03:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't connect at all via port80
Feb 28 02:04:09 <narcos> DocScrutinizer05: Oddballs
Feb 28 02:05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> seems somebody ran a massive http attack (load on www VM jumped up to 15..18, no more free mem, lots of appache processes), then db went south
Feb 28 02:05:16 <DocScrutinizer05> can't ssh to db
Feb 28 02:05:44 <narcos> damn
Feb 28 02:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> some sucker running nagios and other stuff - probably pentests - against maemo
Feb 28 02:06:00 <narcos> lame :-/
Feb 28 02:06:19 <nox-> that took a while but i got 2012-12-14 Meeting Minutes etc
Feb 28 02:06:23 * narcos has seen slowloris cripple web servers with low demand on the attacker side.
Feb 28 02:09:15 <DocScrutinizer05> seems you're busted as soon as it tries to access db, e.g for auth
Feb 28 02:09:54 <narcos> still under load from the skiddies, or this is post attack damage?
Feb 28 02:10:08 <DocScrutinizer05> since "we" have no full access to *old*, we need Nemein to have a look at it
Feb 28 02:10:17 <narcos> ah
Feb 28 02:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: nfc
Feb 28 02:11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't see any significant load or activita in access.log or error.log neither on www nor wiki nor garage
Feb 28 02:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and db is gone
Feb 28 02:12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> while before one of the top processes on www been db-blabla.php
Feb 28 02:12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, I managed to log in to db
Feb 28 02:12:54 <narcos> dang
Feb 28 02:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> top - 02:11:50 up 34 days,  8:09,  1 user,  load average: 74.54, 79.19, 94.82
Feb 28 02:13:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Tasks:  94 total,   2 running,  92 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Feb 28 02:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :-o
Feb 28 02:13:34 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq!
Feb 28 02:15:14 <narcos> dafaq indeedly.
Feb 28 02:17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> top - 02:15:47 up 34 days,  8:13,  1 user,  load average: 86.93, 81.34, 92.02
Feb 28 02:17:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Tasks:  95 total,   2 running,  93 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Feb 28 02:17:36 <DocScrutinizer05>   667 mysql     20   0 7436m 3.8g 3340 S  200 48.2  35494:26 mysqld                                                                                                                           
Feb 28 02:18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> never knew that a process can use 200% CPU time
Feb 28 02:19:22 <nox-> if its using two cores...
Feb 28 02:20:45 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders whether to restart mysql, or even give box a reboot
Feb 28 02:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> top - 02:24:00 up 34 days,  8:21,  1 user,  load average: 107.62, 97.69, 95.25
Feb 28 02:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm open for suggestions
Feb 28 02:26:21 * narcos votes for a MySQL restart.
Feb 28 02:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> seems has helped, nfc clue yet if it's also back to normal
Feb 28 02:30:08 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the interweb seems back to nirmal
Feb 28 02:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> normal as well
Feb 28 02:30:34 <DocScrutinizer05> load 107 GODDAMMIT
Feb 28 02:32:51 <DocScrutinizer05> top - 02:31:32 up 34 days,  8:29,  1 user,  load average: 2.44, 40.09, 71.95
Feb 28 02:33:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Feb 28 02:33:37 <DocScrutinizer05> real fun
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