**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 01 02:59:58 2013 Mar 01 03:00:23 Why? Mar 01 03:00:31 seems we have more novice N900 users per month right now than we had during whole 2012 Mar 01 03:00:50 at least it feels like Mar 01 03:01:01 i haven't used windows in 10 years =) Mar 01 03:01:11 excellent :-D Mar 01 03:01:45 don't forget to blacklist cdc_phonet! Mar 01 03:01:58 ok Mar 01 03:02:01 it's a common roadblocker nowadays Mar 01 03:02:09 ok Mar 01 03:02:24 since every distro ships this useless kernel module now Mar 01 03:03:12 which makes me ponder about state of linux in general Mar 01 03:04:20 when 10 years ago you were happy when you could find the right modules SOURCE for your system and hw, nowadays you're happy when you don't get too much cruft with your distro Mar 01 03:04:28 I wonder what feels worse Mar 01 03:05:49 good point Mar 01 03:06:22 i guess there are some distributions that specialize in being cruft-free (arch, gentoo, lfs), but i would never use them just because i don't have time Mar 01 03:07:10 meanwhile, host repository.maemo.org shows it is resolvable. So when your N900 complains, it means you have no proper DNS server from DHCP, or even no internet connection at all Mar 01 03:07:20 ok Mar 01 03:08:37 I hope you got a proper WLAN where you live, so updating N900 should be a relatively painless process Mar 01 03:09:06 any other methods to connect N900 to internet are cimbersume or clumsy Mar 01 03:09:18 cumbersome* Mar 01 03:09:44 i can connect and browse the web, and i installed rootsh from whatever repository holds that... hmm... Mar 01 03:11:21 ouch Mar 01 03:11:29 my battery ran out of juice Mar 01 03:13:31 DocScrutinizer05: Second spring for N900? Mar 01 03:16:38 if you look on ebay you'll see loads of brand new n900s for sale Mar 01 03:17:40 Ah Mar 01 03:18:30 If I recall correctly Mar 01 03:43:14 awesome: http://www.ebay.de/itm/KFZ-Auto-Netzteil-fur-Nokia-710-800-Lumia-N900-Handy-Ladegerat-/320922011762?pt=DE_Computer_Ladeger%C3%A4te_Datenkabel&hash=item4ab8714872 Mar 01 03:43:31 charger for only 217EUR Mar 01 03:50:48 i can't seem to access http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Mar 01 03:51:06 ~skeiron Mar 01 03:51:07 from memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 01 03:51:26 alec_: ^^^ Mar 01 03:53:30 thanks, thedead1440 Mar 01 03:53:41 np Mar 01 03:59:13 so if i downloaded the combined firmware (global release 5) i don't have to worry about flashing the eMMC first? Mar 01 04:00:13 i just issue sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R on the latest .bin file, right? and that's it? Mar 01 04:00:37 you should a full flash since you just got your device Mar 01 04:02:19 ok Mar 01 04:02:36 flash emmc without the -R parameter, pluck battery out, flash rootfs without -R parameter then flash emmc again this time with -R parameter Mar 01 04:05:47 so, that's three .bin files i need, thedead1440? i'm a bit confused about which images i need Mar 01 04:06:08 nope Mar 01 04:06:30 emmc: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 01 04:06:44 rootfs: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 01 04:06:59 flash the emmc using flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin Mar 01 04:07:13 once its done do not start your device but remove the battery and insert it back Mar 01 04:07:20 ok Mar 01 04:07:28 then pass the command flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin Mar 01 04:07:43 yes Mar 01 04:07:49 once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot Mar 01 04:08:27 usually i only do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -F emmc.bin -R but that's not recommended from the looks of it so doing the above is the safest way... Mar 01 04:09:44 ok Mar 01 04:10:14 fuck me the last sentence should have read: "once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot" Mar 01 04:10:23 sorry for the confusion :S Mar 01 04:10:35 ah, right Mar 01 04:11:26 btw, i am able to access repository.maemo.org but getting a hash sum mismatch with apt-get, so it refuses to process the .deb files Mar 01 04:12:02 but the .deb is already downloaded so you can manually do a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/PKG.deb Mar 01 04:12:08 good point Mar 01 04:13:30 or you disable hashsum checking in apt Mar 01 04:13:54 yeah Mar 01 04:14:06 it's going to be a real pain to dpkg -i everything manually Mar 01 04:14:15 there's an option like allownohashsum or similar, which iirc only takes effect when you also move away the hashsum file Mar 01 04:15:21 it's not --allow-unauthenticated is it? Mar 01 04:36:12 arrgh Mar 01 04:36:27 now i get 503 service unavailable on the extras-devel, extras, and extras-testing repos Mar 01 04:44:44 did some mucking about in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and seemed to get the right repos Mar 01 05:06:01 HELL YEAH DRNOKSNES + SUPER METROID Mar 01 05:06:05 =) Mar 01 05:07:00 in german no less Mar 01 05:07:10 der letze metroid ist in gefangenschaft... Mar 01 06:04:59 nothing seems to have a manpage Mar 01 06:10:00 is there any way to get gnu find 4.x.x? Mar 01 06:11:24 ah, nevermind. seems to be a package. Mar 01 06:21:14 ...did i just brick the phone? Mar 01 06:22:05 i exported the PATH to include a new directory and suddenly none of the binaries wouldn't work Mar 01 06:22:17 *would work Mar 01 06:22:34 now the phone won't even boot Mar 01 06:22:37 ... Mar 01 06:22:41 * alec_ hides under a desk Mar 01 06:23:04 ah, there we go Mar 01 06:23:10 'don't panic' Mar 01 06:24:04 hmm Mar 01 06:24:07 yeah, it won't boot Mar 01 06:24:41 ... Mar 01 06:26:20 PANIC! Mar 01 06:26:46 [ ] you have backupmenu installed and a recent backup Mar 01 06:28:24 i don't Mar 01 06:28:37 i can reflash it though right? Mar 01 06:31:38 * eccerr0r tries to get ready to do the surgical procedure called "microusb strengthening"... Mar 01 06:32:13 alec_: you can almost always reflash so never worry about that Mar 01 06:32:21 ok Mar 01 06:32:57 i turn it on, it says nokia, then it turns back off Mar 01 06:33:09 the command that did this was: Mar 01 06:33:19 export PATH=$PATH:/some/dirs/ Mar 01 06:34:35 thats what my phone did when the battery was too weak to boot or got into charging mode... if you just exported the path without putting it into a .profile or something file, that shouldn't be a problem... Mar 01 06:35:17 i was root b/c i was too lazy to add myself to the sudoers. next time i'll definitely not do that. Mar 01 06:35:56 so you actually stuck it in some file? Mar 01 06:35:59 after i exported the path all of the permissions were totally fucked. Mar 01 06:36:02 nope Mar 01 06:36:04 i just issued the command Mar 01 06:36:15 it should only be temporary Mar 01 06:36:16 none of the binaries would work after that, so i rebooted Mar 01 06:36:22 i know, eccerr0r, that's why i rebooted Mar 01 06:36:36 if you just typed it in the command line... could have control-d'ed out too :D Mar 01 06:36:58 yes. i exited all of my command line sessions Mar 01 06:37:08 then i tried to start xterminal again. wouldn't start. Mar 01 06:37:22 must've did something else... Mar 01 06:37:51 weird Mar 01 06:37:58 i will definitely be careful next time Mar 01 06:38:37 i have amd64... do i need the exact version of the 32-bit libusb mentioned on the wiki page? Mar 01 06:39:34 probably better if you do, libusb0 vs libusb1 matters a lot... Mar 01 06:39:44 ok Mar 01 06:40:14 OT - how to restart a fekkered PA on a systemd machine? Mar 01 06:40:25 * eccerr0r has yet to reflash... but libusb0 vs libusb1 was a PITA for other USB devices... Mar 01 06:41:13 DocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemd enable? Mar 01 06:41:26 s/systemd/systemctl/ Mar 01 06:41:28 Hurrian meant: DocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemctl enable? Mar 01 06:41:31 KDe Mar 01 06:41:40 KDE Mar 01 06:42:16 I honestly would *never* deliberately start PA Mar 01 06:42:27 have you tried systemctl restart pulseaudio.service? Mar 01 06:42:32 no Mar 01 06:42:38 since I had no clue Mar 01 06:43:04 If that doesn't work, then it's being launched somewhere by some init script, might as well reboot the box. Mar 01 06:43:13 Failed to issue method call: Unit pulseaudio.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status pulseaudio.service' for details. Mar 01 06:43:21 * eccerr0r tried to completely get rid of pulseaudio from his linux box... Mar 01 06:43:36 sure!! didn't manage yet Mar 01 06:43:40 is there actually a pulseaudio daemon running right now? Mar 01 06:43:47 this PC is just errr 2 weeks old Mar 01 06:43:54 Alright, so it's probably piping the audio using the pulse protocol into the kernel pulse device. Mar 01 06:43:55 yes Mar 01 06:44:15 DocScrutinizer05, why not use OSS for your system audio needs? Mar 01 06:44:21 I could as well kill that friggin daemon Mar 01 06:44:23 iirc there should be a user PA daemon running that gets restarted upon login to console Mar 01 06:44:32 nooo dont use oss... Mar 01 06:44:59 Why /not/ use OSS? Except for the lack of application support, it's simple and just works (nowadays). Mar 01 06:45:10 the fsck I need a running system here, with sound. NO REBOOTS! Mar 01 06:45:37 if you want to just listen to 2.0 stereo and hear beeps, then OSS is fine. Mar 01 06:45:41 and why would i use OSS when there's ALSA Mar 01 06:45:53 exactly should just use ALSA directly. Mar 01 06:46:05 PA is a good idea but poorly implemented... Mar 01 06:46:25 PA is the broken solution for a non-existing problem Mar 01 06:46:31 i think it really needs more hooks into the kernel... but then might well just put all of it into the kernel. Mar 01 06:46:45 DocScrutinizer05, restart your X session. Mar 01 06:47:13 It's a bitch to work with Pulse if you didn't start it using systemd. Mar 01 06:47:58 I WONT Mar 01 06:48:07 DocScrutinizer05, existing problem is how to share sound card via network Mar 01 06:48:15 pffff Mar 01 06:48:19 PA has it implemented but, BAD Mar 01 06:48:41 what a friggin non-issue, share soundcard over network Mar 01 06:48:55 and ALSA can do that as well Mar 01 06:49:01 probably better than PA Mar 01 06:49:02 pulseaudio -k ? Mar 01 06:49:10 DocScrutinizer05: killall pulseaudio, then configure phonon to output to ALSA Mar 01 06:49:12 can alsa share sound card via network? Mar 01 06:49:15 and honestly I +never* needed such BS Mar 01 06:49:28 btw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language Mar 01 06:49:30 the only feature of PA that I like is that individual streams can be volume controlled like in windows, even if the application does not provide support. Mar 01 06:49:50 + move stream from one sound card to another Mar 01 06:49:58 this is why I'm using pulseaudio Mar 01 06:50:00 that too, if I had more than one sound card... Mar 01 06:50:28 (or headset or bluetooth or ...) Mar 01 06:50:39 I have bluetooth headset and I want to swich between notebook speakers and bluetooth without restarting apps Mar 01 06:50:44 and without pause Mar 01 06:51:07 yeah... PA will let you do that. Again it's a good idea, just poorly implemented. Mar 01 06:51:27 but if somebody write 1) nice GUI for userspace alsa and 2) above switching support to alsa, I will stop using PA Mar 01 06:51:28 the ALSA->PA->ALSA pathway gives me the chills. Mar 01 06:51:54 eccerr0r, also if you are using alsa it is: userspace alsa --> kernel alsa Mar 01 06:52:11 and if application support pulseaudio it is: pulseaudio --> kernel alsa Mar 01 06:52:32 otherwise: userspace alsa --> pulse plugin --> pulseaudio --> kernel alsa Mar 01 06:52:54 yes the whole problem is if you have a mix of native alsa apps that arent PA aware and try to use with PA, problems galore. Mar 01 06:53:14 btw, there is also sound server jackd Mar 01 06:53:16 i can't seem to flash it... Mar 01 06:53:21 isnt jackd replacement for PA? Mar 01 06:53:46 i plug it in while holding the u key, i just get the dim nokia screen Mar 01 06:54:08 the command-line doesn't register anything new Mar 01 06:54:15 is your battery dead? :o Mar 01 06:54:32 nope, fully charged Mar 01 06:54:54 remove battery, plug usb cable, start flasher, insert battery Mar 01 06:55:25 the behavior you're seeing is very remiscient of when I was having charging problems and had a battery that was too low... Mar 01 06:55:43 ok, pali, i will try that order Mar 01 06:56:05 make sure you are *not* using usb hubs and usb3.0 ports, and you have last version of linux flasher Mar 01 06:56:17 also make sure you are root Mar 01 06:56:39 i used sudo to issue the command but i can use sudo -i Mar 01 06:56:46 ( btw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language) HAHA, yeah better PA with NO config at all Mar 01 06:56:57 it says 'booting device into flash mode' Mar 01 06:57:01 then it prints 'suitable device not found' Mar 01 06:57:03 DocScrutinizer05, no PA has config files Mar 01 06:57:06 and are better Mar 01 06:57:22 fuckit Mar 01 06:57:25 alec_, what are you trying to flash? Mar 01 06:57:31 eMMC or rootfs? Mar 01 06:57:32 the eMMC Mar 01 06:57:51 alec_, do you have working maemo? Mar 01 06:58:13 well, i did, pali Mar 01 06:58:21 is now bootable? Mar 01 06:58:23 alec_: reflash combined, then vanilla, then combined again Mar 01 06:58:24 nope Mar 01 06:58:31 ok, docscrutinizer05 Mar 01 06:58:39 i managed to brick it by being root Mar 01 06:58:42 ~flash Mar 01 06:58:43 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 01 06:59:05 alec_, for flashing eMMC you need working maemo system and after flashing eMMC you need to flash rootfs too Mar 01 06:59:14 aah Mar 01 06:59:16 i see Mar 01 06:59:27 -f -F , right? Mar 01 06:59:28 so correct order is: combined, emmc, combined Mar 01 06:59:30 ok Mar 01 06:59:37 do i need -R? Mar 01 06:59:52 alcec_, make sure you are not boot device between flashes Mar 01 07:00:00 Pali: shall I comment on "Wondering if we can integrate these into ..."? Mar 01 07:00:06 no -r Mar 01 07:00:08 i will do that, pali. which switches should i use for these three operations? Mar 01 07:00:09 ever Mar 01 07:00:10 ok Mar 01 07:00:29 Pali: As this is not something technical Mar 01 07:00:30 DocScrutinizer05, what is preffered way? ^^ Mar 01 07:00:45 freemangordon, what? Mar 01 07:00:47 the one described in ~flashing Mar 01 07:00:52 Pali: sec Mar 01 07:01:03 Pali: http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg227234.html Mar 01 07:01:26 someone send me an n900 mboard Mar 01 07:01:29 freemangordon, yes comment it Mar 01 07:01:32 with a working modem Mar 01 07:01:34 heh Mar 01 07:01:50 and a usb port that wont fall off :/ Mar 01 07:01:55 the one described in flashing is flasher-3.5 -f -F -R Mar 01 07:01:55 alec_: please read this page *completely*: Mar 01 07:01:58 ~flash Mar 01 07:01:59 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 01 07:02:05 i have read it, docscrutinizer05 Mar 01 07:02:14 then you wouldn't ask Mar 01 07:02:19 reread it Mar 01 07:02:24 Pali: Do we want that "merge"? And if yes, who'll implement it? Mar 01 07:02:24 * alec_ rereads it Mar 01 07:02:43 Pali: in theory it is possible Mar 01 07:02:48 freemangordon, I think that code in omap is different as for n900 Mar 01 07:02:58 particularly the stuff in (!)boxes and and bottom Mar 01 07:03:20 possible yes, but now it is clean that n900 code is in board-rx51*.c files Mar 01 07:03:27 Pali: but not much, the only major difference is how the parameters count is passed. But that can be workarounded Mar 01 07:03:32 I hope scraping off the resist isn't going to damage the foil integrity (when doing the microusb strengthening)... Mar 01 07:03:40 Pali: IIRC :) Mar 01 07:04:02 alec_: >> Mar 01 07:04:04 When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Mar 01 07:04:05 Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." Mar 01 07:04:07 << Mar 01 07:04:22 ok Mar 01 07:04:33 >>l. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<< Mar 01 07:04:39 ok Mar 01 07:04:45 so, -R reboots the device Mar 01 07:04:58 DocScrutinizer05: the page you gave for flashing Mar 01 07:05:11 has -R in its instructions Mar 01 07:05:16 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting Mar 01 07:05:40 somebody interesting in implementing Mk II eMMC flashing protocol to 0xFFFF? Mar 01 07:05:49 just saying... n900 instructions have -R Mar 01 07:05:54 we can fix this stupid flashing :-) Mar 01 07:05:56 >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:...< Mar 01 07:06:02 and has one line arg... Mar 01 07:06:29 well... it does have "tip" Mar 01 07:06:32 lol Mar 01 07:07:08 yes, macer, that's why i was confused Mar 01 07:07:11 Pali, how does NOLO know where to flash certain images? Mar 01 07:07:25 lol. yeah Mar 01 07:07:26 thanks for the tips, docscrutinizer05! =) Mar 01 07:07:36 that is something that should be in big bold letters Mar 01 07:07:42 Hurrian, you need tell NOLO image type Mar 01 07:07:48 ah. Mar 01 07:07:49 4pt bigger than the rest heh Mar 01 07:09:03 Macer: its a wiki feel free to edit it ;) Mar 01 07:09:22 lol Mar 01 07:09:28 i would be scared to do so Mar 01 07:10:00 i would misspell a word and have people calling me names Mar 01 07:10:40 Pali: hmm, correct, those differ a lot, will answer Mar 01 07:10:40 * alec_ will edit it later Mar 01 07:10:51 * alec_ breathes a sigh of relief Mar 01 07:10:54 i flashed the rootfs Mar 01 07:10:59 on to the emmc... Mar 01 07:11:06 ok, going offline, bye... Mar 01 07:15:00 bye pali Mar 01 07:17:45 i am trying to do the second flash of rootfs, but i just get some messages about device found and device address, raw data transfer EP... nothing actually gets FLASHED... does that mean it's all ok and i can start up the phone? paste here https://gist.github.com/5063003 Mar 01 07:21:07 how long did it take? Mar 01 07:22:36 less than a second Mar 01 07:22:42 i tried to turn it on, nothing happened Mar 01 07:22:48 not even a nokia screen Mar 01 07:22:57 did you blacklist cdc_phonet? Mar 01 07:22:58 i'm reflashing the emmc and rootfs and emmc again Mar 01 07:22:59 echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf Mar 01 07:23:01 yep Mar 01 07:23:19 i'm on ubuntu so i'm blacklisting with modprobe Mar 01 07:23:26 no Mar 01 07:23:32 modprobe -b cdc_phonet Mar 01 07:23:33 no? Mar 01 07:23:33 that's not blacklisting Mar 01 07:23:44 that's just unloading the module Mar 01 07:24:02 it gets loaded on next time N900 statts up Mar 01 07:24:08 starts up* Mar 01 07:24:21 you need to BLACKLIST the module Mar 01 07:24:23 ok Mar 01 07:25:14 you can tell it's not when your modprobe -r cdc_phonet works again without spitting error Mar 01 07:25:36 all right =) Mar 01 07:25:52 each time modprobe -r cdc_phonet doesn't spit an error you know there's been something wrong already Mar 01 07:25:58 yeah Mar 01 07:26:46 btw you can safely keep this shit blacklisted, since nobody really NOBODY ever uses it Mar 01 07:27:19 yeah; i'm planning to Mar 01 07:27:47 for the germans here: it's a "SODA-module" "ist NUR SO da" Mar 01 07:27:51 ok, so i flashed the emmc ok, but now when i try to flash the rootfs a second time the same thing as in the paste happens Mar 01 07:28:29 the flasher just quits instantly with those messages when i plug in the phone; no actual flashing takes place Mar 01 07:28:53 modprobe -r cdc_phonet Mar 01 07:29:07 already done Mar 01 07:30:00 well, you said you were able to flash COMBINED/rootfs first time. second time it works exactly same way Mar 01 07:30:38 yep... =( Mar 01 07:30:45 remove battery, start flasher, plug in USB, hold U while insterting battery Mar 01 07:31:00 ok Mar 01 07:31:16 it's always the same procedure. three times Mar 01 07:31:46 that did it Mar 01 07:31:49 ok Mar 01 07:31:53 thanks =) Mar 01 07:31:55 exactly as described in troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." Mar 01 07:32:05 * alec_ slaps forehead Mar 01 07:34:05 >> steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form<< Mar 01 07:34:25 >>Repeat same procedure (2. - 7.) for each image to flash<< Mar 01 07:35:05 >>So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems<< Mar 01 07:39:34 ok, well, at first it seemed to be turning on, but there's been a blank screen for about 5 minutes Mar 01 07:39:57 no sign of activity Mar 01 07:40:32 there was a green light flash, blacklight, five dots briefly, then nothing Mar 01 07:41:03 ok, five dots again Mar 01 07:42:20 ahh Mar 01 07:42:22 booted Mar 01 07:42:42 thanks for all of your help, docscrutinizer05! =) Mar 01 07:43:32 yw Mar 01 07:43:52 thanks for giving me ideas to improve the instructions Mar 01 07:44:03 ok Mar 01 07:49:00 i think the instruction about not installing the libusb0.1-4 from repositories on debian/ubuntu should be removed Mar 01 07:49:09 i did it, and it worked fine Mar 01 07:49:33 why should the instructions recommend installing it from repos on opensuse but not debian/ubuntu? Mar 01 07:50:32 * alec_ will edit it later perhaps Mar 01 07:51:56 if it been added it had a reason. If it worked for you, fine. Don't conclude from that that the instruction is incorrect Mar 01 07:52:08 good point Mar 01 07:52:27 would be good to add a note that libusb0.1-4 from ubuntu repos worked though maybe? Mar 01 07:53:12 maybe you can add that it worked on your specific version of Ubuntu Mar 01 07:53:19 good idea Mar 01 07:53:26 tbh I don't know who added it, and I would need to check that first Mar 01 07:54:21 generally this whole instruction is so cluttered with unstructured sidenotes and whatnot that it almost becomes uselsss Mar 01 07:55:12 the whole shitty page would need a major cleanup Mar 01 07:55:37 by somebody who knows exactly what (s)he's doing Mar 01 07:55:44 indeed and the lack of spacing in many wiki articles may put off people from reading it altogether Mar 01 07:58:12 I suggest setting up two new wiki pages: "flashing N900 - the foolproof clumsy way. Revised" and "flashing N900 - the smart expert way. Revised" Mar 01 08:00:08 and referencing in current page to those two pages. keep them clean and terse, and instead of cluttering them with hints and sidenotes like patching flasher and which libusb to install, just add "troubleshooting and annotations: see $mainpage" Mar 01 09:32:18 hi guys, I'm trying to install the ssl module for python but I'm not able to do it. Has someone already done it? Mar 01 09:32:53 easy_install ssl Mar 01 09:32:53 Searching for ssl Mar 01 09:32:53 looking for /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h Mar 01 09:32:53 looking for /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h Mar 01 09:32:53 looking for /usr/contrib/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h Mar 01 09:32:54 Exception: No SSL support found Mar 01 09:33:36 so i tried: Mar 01 09:33:40 Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install libssl-dev Mar 01 09:33:46 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Mar 01 09:33:46 libssl-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not installable Mar 01 09:45:52 for some reason every arm ive tried that on does the same thing Mar 01 09:45:57 the ssl thing Mar 01 09:46:19 my synology gives me the same errors and for the life of me i couldnt figure it out Mar 01 09:46:26 i wound up just building ssl Mar 01 09:46:43 which is no fun on an armv5 with 128MB Mar 01 09:46:56 then building against that Mar 01 09:47:13 and in order to preserve the original stuff Mar 01 09:47:19 build against it static Mar 01 09:47:25 and avoid the shared libs Mar 01 09:47:37 at the cost of space Mar 01 09:47:53 linux ftw! Mar 01 09:48:25 fu freenode, why u kick infobot? Mar 01 09:49:32 macer :( Mar 01 09:49:57 someone here may have a better solution Mar 01 09:50:13 i would guess building it with the sdk if you can make that function heh Mar 01 09:50:34 not sure if the cssu guys went out of their way to make the sdk better Mar 01 09:50:51 isn't zlib1g-dev in the fremantle/sdk repo? Mar 01 09:51:01 so is ossl Mar 01 09:51:04 heh Mar 01 09:51:59 maybe you can write the hildon foundation's lawyer and ask them to ask them to fix it :) Mar 01 09:52:25 i2c-tools can cause hardware damage? Mar 01 09:52:50 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Mar 01 09:53:09 cant i2c change power settings for certain things? :) Mar 01 09:53:28 aah Mar 01 09:53:38 no clue, it's required for installing backupmenu Mar 01 09:53:40 ... Mar 01 09:53:41 like make the screen get 20A of power heh Mar 01 09:53:45 * alec_ installs backupmenu anyway Mar 01 09:53:46 ahh Mar 01 09:53:48 yeah Mar 01 09:53:51 dont worry about it Mar 01 09:53:55 ok Mar 01 09:53:58 thanks Mar 01 09:54:00 so long as you dont experiment Mar 01 09:54:08 without knowing what youre doing Mar 01 09:54:32 yeah Mar 01 09:54:46 i saw a youtube video of someone redirecting power to the fm transmitter so as to get it working properly Mar 01 09:54:48 that does seem useful Mar 01 09:55:01 i tested it on a nearby radio and it was quite staticky Mar 01 09:55:04 i wouldnt try it myself heh Mar 01 09:55:12 yah. mine always was too Mar 01 09:55:20 there is an fmboost app Mar 01 09:55:28 thatg bumps the power up a bit Mar 01 09:55:32 it helps Mar 01 09:55:40 im sure you can do it manually Mar 01 09:55:55 or make it boot that way by default Mar 01 09:55:58 yeah Mar 01 09:56:05