**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 03 02:59:58 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 03 05:37:55 2013 Mar 03 08:30:25 DocScrutinizer05: i think that the on-device toolchain is not inside easydeb, it's inside a maemo sdk chroot jail Mar 03 08:32:28 I agree, but I don't think that's what he meant to say Mar 03 08:32:42 at least, that's not how I understood it Mar 03 09:42:18 Hi, any idea how can i toggle progress dots to kernel loading screen ? Mar 03 09:42:26 dmesg messages with tux on the screen Mar 03 09:54:13 XATRIX: fbcon Mar 03 09:55:08 ok, but can i change it with simply disabling 'quiet'kernel param in a bootloader section ? Mar 03 09:55:30 Nope, SGX driver doesn't play with console. Mar 03 09:55:49 You'll need to load fbcon first, then once booting is done, unload it and start Xserver Mar 03 09:57:53 hm Mar 03 09:58:57 also, i'm gonna test NITdroid an later reflash to maemo ) Mar 03 09:59:02 just wanna see how it is Mar 03 10:00:30 Save yourself the trouble, NITDroid at this point is ass. Mar 03 10:00:45 Unless you really need an Android device. Mar 03 10:01:05 It doesn't support voice calls Mar 03 10:01:18 so i just simply want to see how it looks likes by myself Mar 03 10:02:29 It's AOSP Android, except that it's quite slow. Mar 03 10:02:54 Well, not as slow as the SDK emulator, but slower than a cheap ARMv6 Android with 512MB RAM. Mar 03 10:02:55 AOSP ? Mar 03 10:03:05 Android Open Source Project. Vanilla Android. Mar 03 10:03:13 Ahh Mar 03 10:03:16 Yea Mar 03 10:21:22 Also is it possible to change I/O sheduller to 'noop' ? Mar 03 10:45:55 Hurrian: crap, i found the thing i want to use, it's not a fbcon , it's u-boot Mar 03 10:46:23 XATRIX: Just flash Pali's package and set up kernel-power for u-boot. Mar 03 10:46:50 wait, i'm currently experimenting with nitdroid. Mar 03 10:46:55 just for test Mar 03 10:52:40 damn, i've placed a new file in /boot/bootmenu.d but it still loads up my initial kenrnel Mar 03 10:53:59 did you called u-boot-update-bootmenu ? Mar 03 10:54:46 Yep Mar 03 10:56:04 maybe it's better to remove initial bootmenu.d record and leave only android one ? Mar 03 10:57:13 now i changed it with: Mar 03 10:57:15 10-cm900.item Mar 03 10:57:17 20-Maemo5-kernel-power-2.6.28.10-power50.item Mar 03 10:57:29 before it was 20-Mae.. 50-cm90.. Mar 03 10:57:34 Still no go Mar 03 10:57:54 and which menu entires did you see in uboot? Mar 03 10:58:24 actually nothing... it doesn't even ask me for something Mar 03 10:58:31 open keyboard Mar 03 10:58:32 just boots a starnard kernel Mar 03 10:58:35 oh Mar 03 10:58:48 with closed keyboard default entry is booted Mar 03 10:58:55 cool way Mar 03 10:59:49 default entry is attached kernel or entry configured in /etc/default/bootmenu.item (as symlink) Mar 03 11:00:17 $ ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/ /etc/default/bootmenu.item Mar 03 11:02:46 i love this device Mar 03 11:03:33 hm, somebody interesting in writing WIKI page about uboot for n900? Mar 03 11:04:04 nope... i'm still very novice too it...maybe later i will do it Mar 03 11:04:07 still lot of people do not know and cannot find info how to configure uboot... Mar 03 11:04:21 I do not have time for it... Mar 03 11:04:39 Pali: there's no uboot env saved anywhere, right? Mar 03 11:04:42 when i will be much experienced Mar 03 11:04:46 kerio, right Mar 03 11:05:19 env is hardcoded into uboot binary and some parts are loaded from bootmenu.scr Mar 03 11:05:40 well, some parts are set by bootmenu.scr Mar 03 11:06:22 sigh Mar 03 11:06:50 we do not have mtd partition for uboot env Mar 03 11:07:05 and also onenand uboot code not working on n900 Mar 03 11:07:22 so no way for permanent env storage Mar 03 11:07:45 and I'm against repartition nand memory for uboot... Mar 03 11:08:47 android is slow as hell Mar 03 11:09:18 it actually does the call. but i couldn't download tiny alsa from google. it told me file is infected Mar 03 11:09:36 Pali: fwiw we could use initfs, but meh Mar 03 11:09:47 stored uboot env is a pain in the ass to deal with anyway Mar 03 11:09:58 kerio, hm, possible, but nand is not working... Mar 03 11:10:36 but why you need permanent storage? Mar 03 11:10:54 dynamic bootmenu working Mar 03 11:11:12 and uboot for n900 is there only for booting other OS Mar 03 11:11:24 and dynamic bootmenu is enought Mar 03 11:12:22 crap , it's very slow ( Mar 03 11:12:42 and my handset is very hot O_O Mar 03 11:13:29 haha Mar 03 11:13:50 :) what ? Mar 03 11:14:03 Pali: How do I downgrade from 2.6.28-10power52 a step back to 51R1? Mar 03 11:14:13 Vrm1: install the KP51 packages Mar 03 11:15:33 but... why? Mar 03 11:15:45 XATRIX: ah you've discovered the andriod hand-warmer feature ;) Mar 03 11:15:54 ))) Mar 03 11:15:57 lol Mar 03 11:16:08 in a winter-time i would think it's advantage ;) Mar 03 11:16:32 yeah, plutonium battery for android comes next year Mar 03 11:16:39 is it using the CPU up to 100% constantly ? Mar 03 11:17:45 nfc, if I want an android device, I probably get a samsung Mar 03 11:18:12 DocScrutinizer05, I thought it would be made of something more exotic, such as tritium. Mar 03 11:18:20 samsung has better hw against nokia / Mar 03 11:18:22 ? Mar 03 11:18:53 and even ships with android pre-installed Mar 03 11:19:07 XATRIX: Against the Lumia series, yes, as they're simply Compal WP8 devices with a Lankku shell. Mar 03 11:19:42 DocScrutinizer05: nexus 4 Mar 03 11:19:47 ridiculously cheaper Mar 03 11:20:31 i thought n900 has quite good perfromance :) Mar 03 11:20:36 just a 'calc-power' Mar 03 11:21:21 shit, it's really hot O_O , i suppose EE guys implement some of T-fuses in... Mar 03 11:23:09 no, you can actually fry the N900, and I guess some android testers did Mar 03 11:23:47 how can i reset the device ? Mar 03 11:23:55 without batt unplug ? Mar 03 11:24:26 DocScrutinizer05: any idea ? Mar 03 11:24:42 press powerbutton for 10s Mar 03 11:24:53 if you're lucky, it shuts down hard Mar 03 11:25:06 10 ? Mar 03 11:26:09 or 15, whocares? Mar 03 11:27:40 i do ) Mar 03 11:28:18 why? Mar 03 11:28:31 i need reboot Mar 03 11:28:32 are you in an extreme hurry or what? Mar 03 11:29:08 i simply can't reset it\ Mar 03 11:29:21 don't wanna open backplate to reset Mar 03 11:29:35 I could tell you "hold powerbutton pressed for one minute" but that would feel a bit tong in cheek Mar 03 11:29:35 seems like the power button doesn't work in android O_O Mar 03 11:29:42 it's not hardpower button Mar 03 11:30:26 it is, kinda Mar 03 11:31:29 alas you need to define what it does, by configuring the twl4030 Mar 03 11:32:02 one mode is "shutdown hard after 8s powerbutton engaged" Mar 03 11:32:34 unless OS/kernel intercepted and reset the timer for those 8s Mar 03 11:33:46 so if the android dudes decided they always reset timer of powerbutton once every second, you won't see it shutdown ever via powerbutton Mar 03 11:34:24 ok i've found how to reboot it Mar 03 11:35:30 Sounds good, but i'd like to reflash it to standard maemo, + possiblity to load android Mar 03 11:35:41 got to go. will be here in a few hours Mar 03 11:36:33 err what was it? Mar 03 11:36:38 ~nitdroid Mar 03 11:36:54 ~ping Mar 03 11:36:58 why is nitdroid-installer anywhere near rmo, btw? Mar 03 11:39:04 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Mar 03 11:39:36 ~moo Mar 03 11:39:36 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Mar 03 11:39:50 that's better :) Mar 03 11:41:25 ~nitdroid Mar 03 11:41:26 methinks nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. Mar 03 11:41:50 ~maemo-multiboot Mar 03 11:41:50 it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Mar 03 11:43:27 didn't think we'd need this anymore nowadays Mar 03 11:44:03 but every once in a while, somebody thinks N900 and android was sth worth giving a try Mar 03 11:44:40 I *completely* fail on getting their rationale regarding that Mar 03 11:45:06 DocScrutinizer05: its the spirit of adventure ;) To explore the N900's various possibilities Mar 03 11:46:05 I have a few suggestions for very innovative and interesting possibilities in N900, involving a hammer and a 9 inch nail Mar 03 11:46:50 result is at least as useful as nitdroid Mar 03 11:47:02 haha Mar 03 11:48:31 just if you wonder: teh above URL is actually 404 Not Found Mar 03 11:49:04 DocScrutinizer05: its http://forum.nitdroid.com/ Mar 03 11:49:26 *burp* Mar 03 11:53:48 android has qualities to become for me on embedded what windows is for me on PCs: a "never touch it" item Mar 03 11:55:34 it's a pitiful waste of time and manpower of developers to port android to devices that were neither meant for it nor do support it particularly good Mar 03 11:59:19 particularly if such device already has a decent OS Mar 03 12:00:17 you want to jump at lazy writing? read: http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/24/4020574/phoenix-the-nokia-nexus-n9 Mar 03 12:00:28 being able to run android apps is interesting. but on a platform with oinlt 256m, ... Mar 03 12:01:21 all the games and multimedia apps for android won't run on nitdroid anyway, so the only usecase I could figure is: let me just shut down maemo and boot to nitdroid to check that public transportation app Mar 03 12:02:04 I don't think you'll have much fun with such approach, probably you'll miss your bus ;-P Mar 03 12:02:19 lol Mar 03 12:02:36 at least your hand won't get cold while you wait for the next one ;) Mar 03 12:14:46 thedead1440: the verge is just a more pretentious engadget Mar 03 12:15:14 kerio: indeed; both equally suck Mar 03 12:16:27 kerio: I got the impression from the 2.6.28-10power51 has less error output when switching to a different driver bleending soft, they need a injection rate limits Mar 03 12:16:54 Pali: was there a change in the wl12xx drivers? Mar 03 12:17:21 no, nothing Mar 03 12:37:41 hm, so, the erase block size might be 6M, 8M, 12M, 16M or 24M.. but they still partition with 4M alignment.. i wonder if there's some trickery involved Mar 03 12:42:08 is still the use of skeiron mirror needed? Mar 03 12:43:34 depends for what Mar 03 12:43:42 mirror no Mar 03 12:44:21 I mean, I've got no new packages on my n900 for 3 months Mar 03 12:44:28 original repo "works", if you get hashsum errors, merlin.at mirror is supposed to be free of that Mar 03 12:44:31 I have original repos Mar 03 12:45:06 shouldn't the package manager show me upgrades/new packages ? Mar 03 12:45:22 there are none Mar 03 12:45:36 simple as that Mar 03 12:45:59 neither for cssu? I thought some upgrades were pushed Mar 03 12:46:10 but well, now I see why I had no movement on packages Mar 03 12:46:48 do hashsum errors make something not work? Mar 03 12:46:52 for cssu merlin missed to make sure updates got migrated to new infra Mar 03 12:47:07 I mean, should I worry about it? Mar 03 12:47:08 and he hasn't updated original rmo repo yet Mar 03 12:47:32 no, probably you shouldn't worry too much Mar 03 12:47:46 DocScrutinizer05: oh thanks, that explains me it all, so I just should act as normally did Mar 03 12:48:01 :) Mar 03 12:48:43 we're still about to fix stuff that got messed up during infra migration (and before) Mar 03 12:48:54 eventually we'll catch up (I hope) Mar 03 12:49:13 merlin1991: right? ;-) Mar 03 12:59:27 amospalla: amyway you nevertheless are free to use skeiron mirror since it has the latest cssu updates since a few days now Mar 03 13:01:09 I'd hope for merlin1991 syncing the original maemo rmo today, but it seems he's MIA Mar 03 13:01:49 ~seen merlin1991 Mar 03 13:01:50 I've been without updating 3 months, I can wait a bit more ^^ Mar 03 13:01:52 merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu, last said: 'damn I know not a single thing about mysql performance check, I'm sure there is some query to list the last few expensive querys to start the investigation'. Mar 03 13:07:26 DocScrutinizer05: wait, i thought that cssu-testing 7.2 was the one with the fix for turktrust Mar 03 13:10:29 amospalla: community-testing.merlin1991.at Mar 03 13:14:30 hello Mar 03 13:15:13 hi Mar 03 13:16:54 thanks kerio Mar 03 13:17:14 note that you also need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install the latest cssu-testing Mar 03 13:17:27 and the only 100% working extras-devel mirror is extras-devel.merlin1991.at Mar 03 13:19:58 ok, i'm back Mar 03 13:20:03 oh joy Mar 03 13:21:50 So, reflashing my device... I have to start with eMMC then rootfs right ? Mar 03 13:22:23 and if i wanna use u-boot i have to install it after i reflash device Mar 03 13:22:31 Is it correct ? Mar 03 13:22:58 better check the wiki page to be sure Mar 03 13:23:14 yea, sounds if Mar 03 13:25:35 can anyone tell me http://fpaste.org/cYyO/ Mar 03 13:26:02 is the -x, --xloader=ARG Location of X-Loader image corresponds to bootload Mar 03 13:26:15 can i tell it u-boot location ? Mar 03 13:26:31 no, u-boot is loaded as a kernel, by NOLO Mar 03 13:27:13 so, i should install it later on ? Mar 03 13:28:22 kerio: it's synced to skeiron Mar 03 13:29:20 Also, flasher-3.5 support --flash and --load options Mar 03 13:29:36 Can i simply load the firmware into memory before the actual flashing Mar 03 13:29:44 Or i missunderatnd the meaming Mar 03 13:29:50 s/meaming/meaning Mar 03 13:30:00 XATRIX: who told you to mess with --xloader=ARG parameter? Mar 03 13:30:03 :-o Mar 03 13:30:12 DocScrutinizer05: i did :) Mar 03 13:30:41 I thought it would be nice to install u-boot at the beginning :) Mar 03 13:31:01 then I have an advice for you: stop thinking Mar 03 13:31:17 rather read instructions Mar 03 13:31:22 that's not the advice i would like to be told :) Mar 03 13:32:06 you obviously have insufficient information for thinking to make any sense Mar 03 13:32:35 so 1) learn 2) learn more ...n) start "thinking" Mar 03 13:32:52 I'm trying to ;) didn't you noticed Mar 03 13:33:16 k, then here are some facts about uboot: Mar 03 13:33:51 which are ? Mar 03 13:34:01 it's getting loaded by NOLO bootloader, just like normal maemo kernel would be, form exactly same partition kernel lives in Mar 03 13:34:25 in that sense uboot is a part of kernel rather than a part of bootloader Mar 03 13:34:50 and actually usual uboot ships with attached stock maemo kernel Mar 03 13:35:07 they both share one NAND partition Mar 03 13:35:46 I'd like to make it as : 1) maemo stock 2) pk 3) android Mar 03 13:35:50 Is it ok ? Mar 03 13:35:55 so *if* you'd want to flash uboot with flasher, you'd need to flash *kernel* with the uboot image Mar 03 13:36:31 but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard* Mar 03 13:36:37 hi Mar 03 13:36:42 Hmm... Mar 03 13:36:46 Wait a bit Mar 03 13:37:14 As you told me i have to use --kernel arg to flash u-boot ? Mar 03 13:37:24 If i decide to flash it first Mar 03 13:38:59 and don't ask me about android please. I don't think it makes any sense and thus I never installed it and can't help. We just seen more than enough dispaired lusers here who couldn't get to boot their device after installing android Mar 03 13:39:21 and no, I told you nobody ever does that Mar 03 13:39:29 Also, what does mean Cold flash ? Can't find any info about. Mar 03 13:39:37 [2013-03-03 14:36:31] but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard* Mar 03 13:39:49 you don't need info about that Mar 03 13:40:04 So, what is it ? Mar 03 13:40:07 I wanna know Mar 03 13:40:12 it's the last resort Mar 03 13:40:39 When everything is screwed up ? Mar 03 13:40:45 I could boot NITdroid from my handset as well Mar 03 13:40:55 for guys like you who think using --xloader etc parameters for flasher was a brilliant idea Mar 03 13:41:29 I just ask before... I'm trying to act samrt enough Mar 03 13:41:33 *smart Mar 03 13:42:01 that's why you don't need to know about coldflashing Mar 03 13:42:18 :) Mar 03 13:43:20 If i ask something, i want to know it... that's why i ask Mar 03 13:43:54 I'm not one of these iOS guys Mar 03 13:44:20 there's pretty comprehensive instruction about everything 8probably even friggin nitdroid and multiboot install). Please read and follow and understand those. then come back for more in detail questions. Don't invent your own ueber-leete method of doing stuff Mar 03 13:44:38 XATRIX: simple advice: don't do anything you don't understart, rather follow the instructions. If you really, really need to deviate from the instructions somehow, read and learn until you understand what you're going to do. If reading and learning did not help, and you still don't understand what you're about to do, just do as the instructions tell you and get over it. Mar 03 13:44:40 ~maemo-multiboot Mar 03 13:44:40 from memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Mar 03 13:44:49 ~nitdroid Mar 03 13:44:49 from memory, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. Mar 03 13:45:20 oh well, understand rather than understart :) Mar 03 13:45:58 Skry: funny how our concurrent advices sounded similar Mar 03 13:46:06 Yes, guys. I'm acting as you actually described... I already did one reflash a few months ago, and now i just diggin more into detail of Mar 03 13:46:41 XATRIX; it's funny how when you're trying to learn more, people tell you to learn more ;) Mar 03 13:46:49 XATRIX: afaik nitdroid still doesn't work with uBoot Mar 03 13:47:36 if it actually does meanwhile, then stay away from multiboot Mar 03 13:48:48 we got 3 different boot things: uboot, bootmenu, and multiboot. they are all acting totally different and usually incompatible with each other Mar 03 13:49:34 uBoot considered safe and sane, bootmenu actually might not be what you think it is (it gets started *after* loading the standard kernel and starting init) Mar 03 13:49:45 and multiboot is mere BS Mar 03 13:49:55 or rather, a nifty but nasty hack Mar 03 13:53:15 XATRIX: just to give you a bit of brainfood info: yes, flasher can actually load images to RAM and execute them there, rather than flashing them to storage Mar 03 13:53:30 rescueOS is using this approach iirc Mar 03 13:54:59 coldflashing is loading NOLO (bootloader that does all flashing) to RAM and executes it to flash NOLO on NAND Mar 03 13:55:28 since otherwise you couldn't flash anything when NOLO is defect Mar 03 13:56:27 but honestly I hardly ever heard of anybody ruining his NOLO and then needing to coldflash Mar 03 13:56:55 (except maybe of nandtester guy, wonder what became of him ;-D ) Mar 03 14:01:09 http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=669.0 here's the manual Mar 03 14:01:15 how to setup nitdorid with uboot Mar 03 14:01:26 i did it. i saw how it looks like :) Mar 03 14:01:38 now, i'm going to use the right way :) Mar 03 14:02:20 so, coldflash is used in enemrgency situation Mar 03 14:02:34 well, this is #maemo. For nitdroid please use that other channel Mar 03 14:02:34 when the standard bootloader is screwed up Mar 03 14:02:42 yes Mar 03 14:03:09 no, i wasn't asking for support for nitdroid, i was shareing my experience about the uboot Mar 03 14:03:38 when your device come up with a NOKIA screen and ENUM on your PC's syslog you don't ever want to use coldflashing Mar 03 14:04:02 But now, i'd like to find some info and experiment with running images from the RAM, without actuall writing it to the NAND Mar 03 14:04:21 ~rescueos Mar 03 14:04:21 [rescue-os] http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Mar 03 14:04:42 Hm...sounds pretty interresting Mar 03 14:06:16 One more question, is there anything encrypted on the handset ? Should there be any crypto-drivers or not ? Mar 03 14:06:56 I know linux firmware for the Intel IPW2200 wifi NIC was encrypted Mar 03 14:07:56 basically no, nothing is encrypted on N900 Mar 03 14:08:00 maemo Mar 03 14:08:03 by default Mar 03 14:09:28 Also is it possible to run anything else on this SoC ? Mar 03 14:09:42 I mean there could be a Gentoo Linux built for ARM aech Mar 03 14:09:44 *arch Mar 03 14:10:03 iirc KP comes with cryptfs drivers and some few users have set up their system to have encrypted /home or even rootfs Mar 03 14:10:25 But it drastically decrease the performance of /home Mar 03 14:10:38 Cause it's a flash disk+crytpo engine Mar 03 14:11:29 there's one or two gentoo guys Mar 03 14:11:44 might be nice to encrypt the SD card I reckon Mar 03 14:12:34 as that is the most easily accessed Mar 03 14:12:37 But what for ? Mar 03 14:12:43 yea Mar 03 14:12:56 nosy people Mar 03 14:13:06 unless you work in CIA :) Mar 03 14:14:42 no I don't work for the Cocaine Import Agency Mar 03 14:16:17 Yea :) Mar 03 14:17:51 Hm....rescueos has a drivers to charge the cell ? Mar 03 14:18:04 I thought it should be hw ability Mar 03 14:18:16 And shouldn't depend on software Mar 03 14:18:52 you need some control over bq24150a to charge Mar 03 14:19:30 in other words, i have to 'tell' it to actuall charge the cell right ? Mar 03 14:20:59 NIN101 included my simple charger concept Mar 03 14:21:30 XATRIX: yes, you need to tell it to charge further than 3.6V Mar 03 14:21:48 (or some other value I can't recall right now) Mar 03 14:22:05 DocScrutinizer05: not mia, for once actually enjoying a weekend outside of irc ;) Mar 03 14:22:22 So ,actually i can set the charge current by myself ? Or charging Vs ? Mar 03 14:22:33 XATRIX: yes Mar 03 14:22:48 within limits and limitations Mar 03 14:22:54 I'll write a script for a fast_charge, and a standard one :) Mar 03 14:23:08 lol, already exists Mar 03 14:23:14 :) Mar 03 14:23:22 ~charge21 Mar 03 14:23:32 :-/ Mar 03 14:23:48 ~listvalues charge21 Mar 03 14:23:48 ~bq24150a Mar 03 14:23:50 Factoid search of 'charge21' by value returned no results. Mar 03 14:24:23 Seems like i actually have to write a script :) Mar 03 14:24:47 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh Mar 03 14:25:20 you should not mess with that stuff unless you learned a lot more Mar 03 14:25:26 Can i charge more than 500mA ? Mar 03 14:25:28 Oh, now Mar 03 14:25:28 s/unless/before/ Mar 03 14:25:29 DocScrutinizer05 meant: you should not mess with that stuff before you learned a lot more Mar 03 14:25:34 USB provides exactly 500 Mar 03 14:25:53 fastcharger provides way more Mar 03 14:26:18 and N900 can use up to iirc 1150mA from USB Mar 03 14:26:22 But how ? AC charger also provides the 500mA ouput Mar 03 14:26:29 no Mar 03 14:26:41 Then you have to use 2USBs to get 1A Mar 03 14:26:48 Nokia AC10 provides up to 2A iirc Mar 03 14:26:52 Like an old 2.5 HDD USB Mar 03 14:26:58 Hmm.. Mar 03 14:27:29 ~fastcharger Mar 03 14:28:28 my charger says 1200mA on it Mar 03 14:29:10 AC-10E, output DC 5.0V 1200mA Mar 03 14:29:47 Oh, rescueos has charge21.bash as well Mar 03 14:30:31 XATRIX: notice that that charge21.bash script charges from the wallcharger Mar 03 14:30:36 so it could damage a usb port Mar 03 14:30:59 XATRIX: I told you, didn't I? Mar 03 14:30:59 Thanks for the warning! That's really in time! Mar 03 14:31:09 DocScrutinizer05 nope :) Mar 03 14:31:30 [2013-03-03 15:20:59] NIN101 included my simple charger concept Mar 03 14:31:50 to be fair, a usb port that gets damaged like that is fucking stupid Mar 03 14:31:53 I thought you were talking about different device :)( Mar 03 14:32:31 One more question. As it mentioned in rescueos readme, "flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Do i actually have to put " quote-symbol after -b ? Mar 03 14:32:55 yes Mar 03 14:33:11 or before -b Mar 03 14:33:16 it goes with the one at the end Mar 03 14:33:23 http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt Mar 03 14:33:29 it doesn't :) Mar 03 14:33:36 maybe typo Mar 03 14:33:41 no Mar 03 14:34:08 what's your problem? -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Mar 03 14:34:50 Yea, i was worry about the article goes without the trailing " Mar 03 14:36:41 Alright, i'm gonna use this one line Mar 03 14:36:48 C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Mar 03 14:36:51 Default maemo can charge battery at up to 950mA. The hw is capable of 1250. The datasheet for the battery recommends max 924 Mar 03 14:36:53 Hope it works Mar 03 14:37:22 ShadowJK: good to know thanks Mar 03 14:38:32 thqt's Ibat though, not Iusb Mar 03 14:39:40 yeah, I'd like to stay within the specs for batteries Mar 03 14:39:50 they usually live longer that way Mar 03 14:40:35 ShadowJK: so... maemo damages the battery by default? Mar 03 14:41:21 It's marginally biased towards charging faster ;) Mar 03 14:41:41 every charging damages battery Mar 03 14:41:50 good point Mar 03 14:42:19 only some ways of charging more then others Mar 03 14:42:46 Sounds if i could load it with rescueos Mar 03 14:42:49 cool Mar 03 14:43:52 wow... NIC usb0 has an IP addr :)))))) Mar 03 14:43:59 network via USB :) Mar 03 14:44:48 also quite good performance of a framebuffer Mar 03 14:45:04 while we're on charging... can the battery be charged when using hostmode? Mar 03 14:45:21 nope i think Mar 03 14:45:26 it's a actuve USB mode Mar 03 14:48:22 Zaerc: yes Mar 03 14:48:33 find my tmo post about it Mar 03 14:48:35 awesome Mar 03 14:49:07 * Zaerc goes looking Mar 03 14:49:27 basically you yust need to kill booston and start bme Mar 03 14:49:51 and have a split cable, I reckon Mar 03 14:49:59 Zaerc: or tap "host mode while charging" in the usbmode ui :) Mar 03 14:50:06 after the connection is established Mar 03 14:50:25 yeah, you need one of those Y-cables that are often given with 3g modems or portable hard drives Mar 03 14:50:38 cool Mar 03 14:50:53 well I was thinking about modding a powered usb-hub Mar 03 14:51:03 kerio: haha, I completely forgot Mar 03 14:51:16 about what? Mar 03 14:51:40 about that addition in h-e-n Mar 03 14:51:57 it's not in h-e-n, is it? Mar 03 14:51:58 :o Mar 03 14:53:23 I don't know, I instructed moh how to do it Mar 03 14:56:03 I even designed booston (improved) to handle it Mar 03 14:58:19 ummm... what's your forum name DocScrutinizer51? Mar 03 14:58:35 that might narrow it down a bit Mar 03 14:58:53 joeg_rw Mar 03 14:59:16 ah, thanks Mar 03 15:02:25 DocScrutinizer51: would... hm, i still can't remember who, but is it twl? identify the charger as a usb host, and thus limit the charging at 500mA? Mar 03 15:05:37 I wonder when i see NOKIA on a white screen , it's a bootloader or a kernel loaded ? Mar 03 15:05:59 nolo Mar 03 15:06:11 yolo Mar 03 15:06:17 nolo = nokia loader ? Mar 03 15:06:33 XATRIX: yeah, it's the bootloader Mar 03 15:06:54 ROMBL loads x-loader loads nolo loads kernel Mar 03 15:07:40 OK, i'm gonna flash my eMMC and fiasco, anything extra you can advice me ? I mean any extra 'upgrades' interresting features you can advice me to do before? Mar 03 15:08:11 for the learning purposes Mar 03 15:12:34 kerio: no Mar 03 15:12:42 no? Mar 03 15:17:41 Zaerc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1169616 Mar 03 15:18:13 kerio: no, twl4030 will not negotiate charge current with PC Mar 03 15:18:23 or fastcharger Mar 03 15:18:32 DocScrutinizer05: just the detection Mar 03 15:18:36 who does it? Mar 03 15:18:51 detection is by PHY Mar 03 15:19:10 1770? Mar 03 15:19:36 Doc, what can you say? Do the standard kernel or powerkernel provide good enough power-saving abilities for ? Mar 03 15:19:42 D+- short detection Mar 03 15:19:45 or it's better to do something exctra ? Mar 03 15:19:48 ah yes Mar 03 15:20:41 XATRIX: please don't do extras. They are not needed and often do negative Mar 03 15:21:18 alright, i was just asking a PRO about Mar 03 15:21:41 probably in a short while somebody will chime in and suggest hw-smartreflex and/or undervolting Mar 03 15:22:00 but nobody ever tested how much this really saves you Mar 03 15:22:45 and SR still is deprecated by Nokia due to a hw bug or sth that causes instability Mar 03 15:23:02 and undervoltimg is mere BS in my book Mar 03 15:23:15 Ok, i have a brand new clean installation of maemo, any ideas how to update it ? Mar 03 15:23:27 undervolting is bs for the n900 or in general? Mar 03 15:23:33 install CSSU Mar 03 15:23:46 just from the beginning ? Mar 03 15:24:00 DocScrutinizer05: don't you have to get to 1.3 first? Mar 03 15:24:09 Or it's better to search for a new versions with maemo package manager? Mar 03 15:24:11 yes Mar 03 15:24:39 bur I'd hope after flashing you *are* at 1.3 Mar 03 15:25:09 Yes Mar 03 15:25:14 But there's a problem Mar 03 15:25:34 Yes, i see it started from the scratch, but all of my contacts, messages are still in Mar 03 15:26:03 then you didn't flash vanilla/eMMC Mar 03 15:26:23 RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 ? Mar 03 15:26:42 Or RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 03 15:26:59 look closer Mar 03 15:27:21 alright, i'll reflash it again Mar 03 15:28:04 ~flash Mar 03 15:28:05 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 03 15:28:22 yes, i\m currently on it Mar 03 15:29:52 merlin1991: hi Mar 03 15:30:47 merlin1991: could you please just fix the hashsums. Don't check package integrity since IF it was a broken package we wouldn't bother if hashsum gets fixed, either Mar 03 15:31:11 and please rsync rmo for latest cssu updates Mar 03 15:31:32 Is there any updates for NOLO ? Mar 03 15:31:41 no Mar 03 15:31:59 (simplified answer) Mar 03 15:32:00 http://fpaste.org/Ky5o/ Mar 03 15:32:16 This time i hope i flashed everything i need Mar 03 15:35:27 Can i install uboot before CCSU ? Mar 03 15:38:09 Are the hashsums broken, or the packages broken/tampered? :) Mar 03 15:38:10 DocScrutinizer05: ? Mar 03 15:49:40 adding a stable ccsu Mar 03 16:16:04 Can anyone tell me what model of a headset is on http://www.developer.nokia.com/pics/maemo_deviced_banner.jpg ? Mar 03 16:22:35 ShadowJK: that's merlin1991's headache but I think for now it's irrelevant. Nevertheless I'd guess it's just the hashsums that are incorrect Mar 03 16:24:28 I'd compare the packages on his mirror and on rmo :) Mar 03 16:25:15 hmm? Mar 03 16:25:46 the mirrors have obviously mirrored whatever been on rmo Mar 03 16:26:32 and comparing packages isn't exactly trivial Mar 03 16:26:58 sha1sum * Mar 03 16:27:02 ;) Mar 03 16:27:10 was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer mismatch? Mar 03 16:27:22 s/ no // Mar 03 16:27:22 eccerr0r meant: was it rootcaused why the checksumslonger mismatch? Mar 03 16:27:28 ack Mar 03 16:27:36 was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer match? Mar 03 16:28:05 ShadowJK: so we're comparing shasums to fimd out where shasums differ? Mar 03 16:28:35 to answer whether sums are wrong or the packages are wrong Mar 03 16:28:49 sorry, I think we have some point wher one of us doesn't get the other one's thoughts Mar 03 16:30:17 you just suggested to compare packages by comparing their sums to find out if those sums are correct Mar 03 16:30:28 Hashsums not matching contents. Either the sums are wrong, or the contents is corrupt or tampered.. or heck, the sums could be corrupted too :) Mar 03 16:30:32 sounds weird to me Mar 03 16:31:11 But we've got one copy in arbitrary time where sums match packages, so it'd be interesting to see a comparison of all 4 tables Mar 03 16:31:29 yeah, so how's comparing to a mirror helping in that? particularly when the mirror mirrored supposedly broken pkgs as well? Mar 03 16:32:07 were there backups of the repositories? Mar 03 16:32:25 for some reason one is broken and the other not, and if it's a mirror, you'd expect both to be broken or both to not be broken Mar 03 16:33:33 to me it seems the only reasonable approach is to redo the shasums on rmo, then see which differed to former/old hashsum file, and if we feel like we can check those packages more closely, e.g. by rebuilding them and checking if the result differs significantly Mar 03 16:34:02 exactly what I said Mar 03 16:34:27 ShadowJK: they *are* both broken or not broken. All mirrors synced last time when we already had that hassum problem Mar 03 16:34:56 comparing to any mirror doesn't help at all Mar 03 16:35:38 why is merlin's mirror working Mar 03 16:35:57 i heard he recomputed all the checksums Mar 03 16:35:58 because he rebuilt the whole thing Mar 03 16:36:13 on his light server Mar 03 16:36:17 ah Mar 03 16:36:37 we're not sure if the .debs work though :) Mar 03 16:36:42 there hasn't been a report of a non-working one, though Mar 03 16:36:52 yes Mar 03 16:36:53 they do work... Mar 03 16:37:10 ooh, you installed and tested *all* of them? Mar 03 16:37:27 i would be perfectly fine with running lintian on the debs Mar 03 16:37:30 at least some of them work. it's not a systemic rebuild problem. Mar 03 16:37:47 but whether I've downloaded a corrupted file pre-rechecksum is the worry. Mar 03 16:37:59 although the debs in extras-devel probably violate debian policy in all sorts of ways Mar 03 16:38:02 we also have not all the rmo packages with hashsum error Mar 03 16:38:33 i was trying to download a file from rmo, checksum failed; added merlin's repo, checksum passed and installed Mar 03 16:39:04 hahahaha freenode Mar 03 16:40:26 whatever, merlin1991 should just run the rehashing job against rmo Mar 03 16:41:00 yeah, we can just rebuild everything once the autobuilder is back up Mar 03 16:41:10 worst case result: correct hashsum of a broken package, so how would that be worse than what we got now Mar 03 16:41:33 people with zombie n900s? Mar 03 16:41:42 o.O Mar 03 16:42:16 users uttering dark riddles? Mar 03 16:44:47 downloading corrupted files due to bad copy is not a problem, downloading corrupted files because someone stuck a trojan in somehow...that's a problem. Chances are, the second didn't happen but it's a risk. Mar 03 16:44:52 NB we had no updates since 3 months anyway, due to autobuilder down. So no matter if hashsum gets fixed, we won't see mass updates Mar 03 16:45:57 eccerr0r: so you suggest we check our own server where only we can access anything for trojans that any of us smuggled in there? sounds prettty sane to me Mar 03 16:46:31 people get their servers hacked all the time... Mar 03 16:46:32 otherwise, how would we ensure that those packages are NO trojans? Mar 03 16:46:36 you can't Mar 03 16:46:58 by digitally signing with your key? Mar 03 16:47:03 eccerr0r: now you're starting to state silly commonplaces Mar 03 16:47:46 Zaerc: BS, with the key that's on server that allegedly got hacked? Mar 03 16:48:08 c'mon, get your feet on some ground Mar 03 16:48:18 that's why I wonder, has anyone rootcaused exactly why the checksum mismatch? Mar 03 16:48:19 not neccesarily, if you keep the secret key somehere safe Mar 03 16:48:37 IF pigs had wings Mar 03 16:48:44 signing server and production server should be different... Mar 03 16:48:47 I think I told this before Mar 03 16:49:01 SHOULD dafaq! Mar 03 16:49:12 Well kf production server is compromised, signing server will be signing bad packages anyways :P Mar 03 16:49:25 exactly Mar 03 16:49:29 BS Mar 03 16:49:32 production/storage server not build server Mar 03 16:49:36 nonsense Mar 03 16:49:48 we got a technical problem, no security problem Mar 03 16:50:16 you know what? Mar 03 16:50:24 production server was like 3 steps away from storage, actually Mar 03 16:50:38 if you can't discuss these things in a normal matter... Mar 03 16:51:08 then what? Mar 03 16:51:25 you stop discussing them with me? welcome! Mar 03 16:51:41 sigh. Mar 03 16:55:16 eccerr0r: no, we haven't rootcaused it yet since we can't investigate as long as autobuilder doesn't work Mar 03 16:55:50 we however have some pretty good ideas why they might have happened Mar 03 16:55:58 well, I meant, one day they matched, one day they didn't... Mar 03 16:56:33 one day autobuilder built a new package version of some package Mar 03 16:56:40 was it the server move? Mar 03 16:56:51 no, before even Mar 03 16:57:45 ahh... yeah that would be problematic if it autobuilt and didn't update checksum... Mar 03 16:57:45 autobuilder problems are not really an unheard thing Mar 03 16:58:09 and that's exactly what I suspect has happened Mar 03 16:58:28 (autobuilder not updating hashsum) Mar 03 16:59:53 does the autobuilder keep logs somewhere? Mar 03 17:00:07 unknown Mar 03 17:00:33 ouch... Mar 03 17:00:37 particularly for "keep" Mar 03 17:01:10 that would be good to know, control, and keep... Mar 03 17:01:15 right now it's not working and x-fade who's the only one savvy to fix it is MIA Mar 03 17:02:26 we mailed and noticed Nemein about it several times now. 3weeks ago(?) I heard "x-fade is looking into it now" - he didn't Mar 03 17:04:34 x-fade planned to move from autobuilder to COBS, then Nokia pulled the plug on it. Feels like a revenge on community for something Nokia did, when he's not taking care now Mar 03 17:09:12 I guess this still needs to be run like a business even though it's community handled. Mar 03 17:09:20 single point of failure is bad. :( Mar 03 17:19:14 Which classes of SD cards n900 supports ? Mar 03 17:20:40 I currently have a class 10 microsd-hc card in my n900... but I think this depends on the manufacturer too. I blindly bought it hoping it would work. Mar 03 17:21:26 i have a feeling my n900 may have broken a class 2 microsdhc card but it may also have just been bad luck that it had it installed when it stopped working. Mar 03 17:51:54 XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards Mar 03 17:54:25 I also wanted to ask, does this headset works with n900 Stereo Headset WH-701 - by Nokia ? Mar 03 17:54:45 I mean music Prev,Fow,Play/Pause Mar 03 17:54:47 ? Mar 03 17:56:00 XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Headsets.2FHeadphones Mar 03 17:57:10 Yes, i saw it ... That's why i ask Mar 03 17:59:44 see my answer about multibutton aka media headsets not working, on tmo Mar 03 18:01:52 * RST38h moos Mar 03 18:03:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 Mar 03 18:10:26 what can you say about this ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power/ Mar 03 18:15:38 DocScrutinizer05: also, is it ok to use testing branch of CSSU ? Mar 03 18:15:47 Or it's highly experimental Mar 03 18:16:18 testing branch of cssu is for cssu-testing. stable is for cssu-stable. see Mar 03 18:16:20 ~cssu Mar 03 18:16:21 somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 03 18:16:49 iirc we currently have some rough edges in testing installation Mar 03 18:17:06 so I'd recommend stable flavour Mar 03 18:18:21 you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time later on (when those issues don't persist anymore) Mar 03 18:18:37 ok... i'll note it Mar 03 18:36:20 strange thing i have Mar 03 18:36:46 i added the CSSU repository (opened a link on Community_SSU website Mar 03 18:36:49 stable Mar 03 18:37:09 But it doesn't start Community SSU enabler Mar 03 18:37:56 any idea how to fix ? Mar 03 18:39:48 ok, i've fixed it... just need to wait a bit more Mar 03 18:50:05 "This U-Boot version is now in Extras-Devel & Extras-Testing. Install package u-boot-flasher via apt-get or via Hildon Application Manager find "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1". Mar 03 18:50:25 Is it ok ? Doc told me not to install software via apt-get Mar 03 18:51:18 Y wouldn't u use apt? Mar 03 18:52:03 No idea Mar 03 18:52:08 So it's ok ? Mar 03 18:52:17 Pali: are you there ? :) Mar 03 18:52:23 I dunno, I just got in the combo Mar 03 18:52:26 Convo Mar 03 18:52:50 Apt-get is fine for whatever as long as the sources u are pulling from are good to go Mar 03 18:52:59 I personall hate ham Mar 03 18:53:02 Too damn slow Mar 03 18:53:16 I always use apt Mar 03 18:53:49 !ham Mar 03 18:53:59 ~ham Mar 03 18:54:00 i guess ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Mar 03 18:54:21 ~apt-get Mar 03 18:54:21 [apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto Mar 03 18:54:44 XATRIX, I'm here Mar 03 18:56:35 ~snafu Mar 03 18:56:35 [snafu] Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red. Mar 03 18:57:20 Pali: is it ok to install uboot via "apt-get install u-boot-flasher" ? Mar 03 18:57:33 yes, why not? Mar 03 18:59:02 Alright Mar 03 18:59:02 ~homeless Mar 03 19:04:03 Any idea how can i make an image from the eMMC ? Mar 03 19:04:14 I mean not to use backup Mar 03 19:04:36 Simply to write image back to and get the state back Mar 03 19:06:33 Pali: it can't find u-boot-tools, what's the repo for ? Mar 03 19:06:39 E: Couldn't find package u-boot-tools Mar 03 19:07:15 it is in extras-devel & extras-testing Mar 03 19:07:23 http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-tools/ Mar 03 19:08:06 ~extras-testing Mar 03 19:08:06 i heard extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37 Mar 03 19:16:18 Pali: http://fpaste.org/bVh3/ Mar 03 19:22:01 you'll need to use another mirror with recomputed hash checks, if you need it right away... no idea when r.m.o will be fixed... Mar 03 19:23:29 O_O Mar 03 19:23:37 Any idea which mirror do i have to use ? Mar 03 19:23:55 Does anyone have a clue how to connect syncevolution with icloud? Mar 03 19:26:57 ~mirror Mar 03 19:26:58 methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error Mar 03 19:33:51 nick/ sixwheeled|away Mar 03 19:34:01 oops Mar 03 19:38:28 http://www.osnews.com/story/26824/Jolla_to_ignore_the_US_due_to_patent_mess/ Mar 03 19:40:22 Wow Mar 03 19:43:10 :D:D Mar 03 19:44:35 I'm just glad I keep md5 verified copies of all .debs for my n900 Mar 03 20:05:46 Pali: there's no u-boot-tools on merlin Mar 03 20:09:52 I disagree http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/u/u-boot/u-boot-tools_2012.10-rc3-1_armel.deb Mar 03 20:11:01 :( Mar 03 20:11:16 Sorry bro Mar 03 20:17:40 I never told not to use apt Mar 03 20:19:56 You told me not to use apt-get update ? Mar 03 20:26:55 ~ngrep Mar 03 20:26:55 network grep. URL: http://www.packetfactory.net/ngrep/ Mar 03 20:27:20 ~infobot Mar 03 20:27:21 well, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Mar 03 20:27:53 ~dd Mar 03 20:27:54 from memory, dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info Mar 03 20:28:36 ~u-boot-flash Mar 03 20:29:03 Hat had had :) Mar 03 20:29:24 ~ninja Mar 03 20:29:25 ninja is, like, http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net Mar 03 20:30:06 XATRIX: I told you to never use apt-get dist-upgrade Mar 03 20:30:23 ~pwnphone Mar 03 20:30:30 ah.. Mar 03 20:30:32 BAh! Mar 03 20:30:36 alright Mar 03 20:31:05 ~tell Snafu777 about query Mar 03 20:31:40 :( Mar 03 20:34:53 XATRIX: though actually you better use HAM, particularly for stuff that's kinda "tricky" - alas it's not exactly simple to estimate for a newcomer what's tricky and what's not Mar 03 20:35:54 Doc, what could ham do that apt doesn't do? Mar 03 20:36:11 a lot of experienced users never use HAM, but they also know how to use apt correctly and which particular care needs to be taken when installing packages that are special, like system updates or hw stuff etc Mar 03 20:36:28 Touché Mar 03 20:36:41 Snafu777: for example it shuts down whole system to something like single user mode Mar 03 20:36:51 for system updates Mar 03 20:36:53 Tru Mar 03 20:37:26 DocScrutinizer05: wait, does HAM has different way hadling the dependencies than apt ? Mar 03 20:37:33 yes Mar 03 20:37:41 actually it has Mar 03 20:37:56 it has an additional layer on top of what apt does Mar 03 20:38:13 Can u expound that "layer" doc? Mar 03 20:38:16 crap :) Mar 03 20:38:17 you can tell that from the groups you see in HAM Mar 03 20:38:30 But it takes forever to search something with HAM :) Mar 03 20:38:39 there are non-visible-in-HAM packages Mar 03 20:39:17 XATRIX: it takes even longer to recover from some major system messup doen by unexperienced apt usage Mar 03 20:39:55 I can't argue with this :) Mar 03 20:40:16 e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade usually is a sure way to mess up your system to a degeree where reflashing is your best recovery startegy Mar 03 20:40:37 * sixwheeledbeast has other N900 and is pleased with himself Mar 03 20:40:39 So just don't do it? Mar 03 20:40:49 Other? Mar 03 20:40:56 *another Mar 03 20:40:59 doh Mar 03 20:41:15 Ah Mar 03 20:41:18 I wish I has another Mar 03 20:41:40 My poor n900 is a stupid testbed these days Mar 03 20:41:53 pwnphone v3... It's coming! Mar 03 20:43:07 as a general rule you can safely install via apt-get install all commandline tools Mar 03 20:43:34 except i2ctools ;-P Mar 03 20:44:16 Hmm? I installed that via dpkg-deb just fine Mar 03 20:45:08 What if i use appdownloader... Seems like it's from CSSU ? Mar 03 20:45:20 Is it safe... ? It support search Mar 03 20:46:08 My best advice to you XATRIX, just experiment bro Mar 03 20:46:21 The n900 is pretty unbrick able Mar 03 20:46:28 Yes, but i don't want to screw things up again :) Mar 03 20:46:38 So make a backup Mar 03 20:46:47 Using backup menu Mar 03 20:47:03 If i could take a snapshot and later reflash it again into, i will be free to experiment with Mar 03 20:47:33 Backup menu sucks.. It does backup calendar,contacts,software... What about system libs and so on Mar 03 20:47:38 btw backupmenu still has problems with kernel updates? Mar 03 20:47:53 No idea Mar 03 20:48:00 I don't update my kernel :) Mar 03 20:48:07 *nod* Mar 03 20:48:10 I stick with kp51 Mar 03 20:48:38 But, I use a commercial version of the n900 os Mar 03 20:48:39 Pwnphone Mar 03 20:48:40 Is PK under development or it's abandoned ? Mar 03 20:50:32 So out of curiosity, who here uses their n900 for what? Mar 03 20:50:39 I use it for penetrating Mar 03 20:50:47 Pentesting rather Mar 03 20:50:53 thanks for clarification Mar 03 20:50:55 ;P Mar 03 20:51:04 Stupid iOS autocorrect Mar 03 20:51:27 But, what do y'all use it for?? Mar 03 20:51:37 I use it as a mobile terminal and phone (but phone use is like maybe 1%) Mar 03 20:51:41 As a mobile computer Mar 03 20:51:53 IM, Mail, slighly web, ssh Mar 03 20:52:08 but have used it as robot controller and such too, for games and coding, whatever Mar 03 20:52:10 ~reflash Mar 03 20:52:15 [reflash] zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) Mar 03 20:52:31 mobile computer is a pretty good description I guess Mar 03 20:52:34 mmm not the information i was looking for Mar 03 20:52:53 ~flashing Mar 03 20:52:55 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 03 20:53:20 ta Mar 03 20:53:53 Anyone here use their n900 to hack with? Mar 03 20:54:56 I cannot be the only one Mar 03 20:55:30 well I was supposed to use it as a portable wireshark (easydebian+usb ethernet dongle+wireshark) but can't remember if it worked as well as intended, tried briefly but the screen space is pretty small for the interface Mar 03 20:56:12 Yes it is tiny Mar 03 20:56:22 I use mine as an intermediary Mar 03 20:56:44 but you could say I do hack with it since it serves so many purposes, a macgyvery phone Mar 03 20:57:02 Grab packets and view later Mar 03 20:57:11 Hacked WEP with it yet? Mar 03 20:57:19 I don't do pentesting though nor try to "hack" as in do nasty things to others :p Mar 03 20:57:33 invasion of the script kiddies :-* Mar 03 20:57:42 Hacking is not bad Mar 03 20:57:59 I'm just not interested in doing that Mar 03 20:58:55 Script kiddie eh Mar 03 20:58:55 Hmm Mar 03 20:58:55 Fighting words Mar 03 20:59:06 Snafu777: ethical is not, indeed. Mar 03 20:59:13 U and me at the flagpole after school bud Mar 03 20:59:16 the sort of hacks I do with it are maybe more like graphing out metro movement with the accelerometer and such Mar 03 20:59:22 I never said anything about unethical Mar 03 21:00:02 I said pentesting Mar 03 21:01:21 ookay. Mar 03 21:02:01 XATRIX: backupmenu does NOT suck, it does an update of ALL Mar 03 21:02:14 hmm Mar 03 21:02:18 where are sip account settings stored on the filesystem? Mar 03 21:02:45 Somewhere beneath / :) Mar 03 21:02:53 thanks, just what i needed to know! Mar 03 21:03:10 so they are not stored in a unlinked file, good to know! Mar 03 21:03:12 nox-: since BM updates *all* (except kernel itself) it will still restore wrong kernel modules when you restore a backup done before kernel update Mar 03 21:03:23 :/ Mar 03 21:03:49 grep -r says ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg Mar 03 21:05:28 ok, now where is the PASSWORD stored... :\ Mar 03 21:06:18 guess i'll have to do it the old fashined way and walk over to the person i want to talk to instead of calling Mar 03 21:06:39 nox-: you're free to save away your current kernel's modules and restore them after resoring the wrong ones from your BM backup Mar 03 21:07:05 or simply not restore *all* but only the needed stuff to recover Mar 03 21:09:02 or roll back to the correct kernel matching your backup before restroing (probably the best method) Mar 03 21:11:54 r00t^home: gconftool -R /|less Mar 03 21:12:03 BatterPatch :)))))))) Mar 03 21:12:10 dafaq! Mar 03 21:12:20 ~batterypatch Mar 03 21:12:20 somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Mar 03 21:12:25 BatteryPatch For Unstable Devices :)))))))))))))))))))))) Mar 03 21:13:03 yeah, indeed Mar 03 21:13:18 works as advertised: instability guaranteed Mar 03 21:13:42 You're slowing down technical progress ;)))) Mar 03 21:15:04 So, you say if i mess up my kernel or something like this backup will help me back ? Mar 03 21:15:10 Or maybe some libs packageg Mar 03 21:17:11 merlin1991: I need your help here :) I found two packages: 1) U-boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2) uboot-pr13 Mar 03 21:17:21 no, when you mess with kernel even backupmenu can't help you out (at least you'll need to reinstall correct kernel too) Mar 03 21:17:43 if device doesn't boot then backupmenu can't work Mar 03 21:18:02 it at least needs to *start* bootup Mar 03 21:18:03 What's the difference ? And how do i actually act, to make my handset : 1) Boot stock maemo kernel 2) Boot latest (and updatable) Kernel power 3) something else Mar 03 21:18:35 DocScrutinizer05: But if it's operational, bakcupmenu can revive EVERYTHING ? Mar 03 21:18:42 yes Mar 03 21:19:36 flashing a clean PR1.3 + backupmenu restore shall recover you to same state as of time of backup Mar 03 21:20:04 except if you updated / changed kernel prior to backup Mar 03 21:20:08 Wait, do you mean that backup i can access through the main menu ? Mar 03 21:20:22 There's a 'safe' icon Mar 03 21:20:26 in which case you have to redo that manually after flashing before BM restore Mar 03 21:20:45 I mean backupmenu Mar 03 21:20:48 ~bm Mar 03 21:20:49 i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Mar 03 21:21:11 Oh, crap...that's definately something different Mar 03 21:21:14 the other one is hildon backup Mar 03 21:21:33 or simply maemo stock backup app Mar 03 21:21:51 BM is the greatest thing since N900 Mar 03 21:22:34 It always take me wonder how Nokia could dare to ship N900 without BM as a stock functionality Mar 03 21:23:19 hildon backup is kinda extremely over-engineered Mar 03 21:23:53 Yep Mar 03 21:24:01 Can i also integrate BM into the U-boot ? Mar 03 21:24:02 optimized for the standard case, failig epically for everything that has slightest non-standard details Mar 03 21:24:20 no, since uboot and BM are different things Mar 03 21:24:26 :( Mar 03 21:24:36 So, how the hell i should use each of ? Mar 03 21:24:47 uboot is before linux kernel gets loaded, BM is *after* linux booted up to init Mar 03 21:25:05 they are supposed to coexist Mar 03 21:25:44 So i can install it both ? via HAM Mar 03 21:25:56 you should be able to do that, yes Mar 03 21:26:51 Will it brake down if i later install kernelpower it suppose to make changes in /boot Mar 03 21:27:00 Maybe it won't work after Mar 03 21:27:56 Also i received warning about using i2c-tools , it can damage my SoC Mar 03 21:28:13 DocScrutinizer05: well, osso-backup works fine if you're a normal user who never opened a terminal and only installed things from ovi :P Mar 03 21:28:25 so... about 0% of the n900 users Mar 03 21:29:16 DocScrutinizer05KP will override uBoot. You need a special way to install KP as image to boot from uBoot as alternative kernel Mar 03 21:29:43 I explained to you that uBoot lives in symbiosis with kernel in kernel's NAND partition Mar 03 21:29:58 Yep Mar 03 21:30:09 So , i have to make a file for /etc/boot Mar 03 21:30:13 flashing a new kernel will nuke not only the stock kernel but also uBoot Mar 03 21:30:18 So , i have to make a file for /etc/bootmenu.d and place a boot record there ? Mar 03 21:30:49 basically yes Mar 03 21:30:56 whats the way ? Mar 03 21:30:56 not really Mar 03 21:31:00 install kernel-power-bootimg Mar 03 21:31:06 it has the file in bootmenu.d already Mar 03 21:31:06 please check tmo for that detail, it's like FAQ #2 Mar 03 21:31:40 and the latest u-boot-flasher brings in fiasco-do-update-ask, which lets you cancel a flash of kernels that aren't uboot Mar 03 21:32:19 duh, will that work for 'normal' kernels? Mar 03 21:32:43 no it won't since those kernels' preinstall doesn't call fiasco-do-update-ask Mar 03 21:32:59 ah, but fiasco-do-update-ask is just a diversion of fiasco-do-update Mar 03 21:33:06 which *is* used by everything that flashes a kernel Mar 03 21:33:15 or if they do, then it doesn't probably ship with uBoot only Mar 03 21:33:53 DocScrutinizer05: it wraps around fiasco-do-update Mar 03 21:34:05 (or maybe fiasco-image-update, but w/ever) Mar 03 21:34:20 it checks the version string of the kernel to flash and of the flashed kernel Mar 03 21:34:27 if they differ too much, it asks for confirmation Mar 03 21:34:55 okaaaay Mar 03 21:35:10 Doing a backup with BM Mar 03 21:35:11 so you can keep kernel-power-flasher installed Mar 03 21:35:18 and still have u-boot Mar 03 21:35:39 Then installing u-boot, KP-bootimg or in the reverse order ? Mar 03 21:35:51 correct order Mar 03 21:35:58 Ok Mar 03 21:36:12 XATRIX: kernel-power/kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher, then u-boot-tools/u-boot-flasher, then kernel-power-bootimg Mar 03 21:36:28 having trouble flashing mmc on new device. Mar 03 21:36:31 Error setting alternate interface: Invalid argument Mar 03 21:36:43 errr Mar 03 21:36:47 am i doing somthing stupid Mar 03 21:36:51 reflash rootfs aka COMBINED Mar 03 21:37:17 combined flashs fine but not emmc Mar 03 21:37:26 flashes* Mar 03 21:37:33 blacklist cdc_phonet Mar 03 21:37:54 That's harder than i thouhg :( Mar 03 21:38:05 BLACKLIST, not just rmmod/modprobe -r Mar 03 21:39:11 XATRIX: what you expected? You're jumping head first into the most advanced and sophisticated stuff maemo fremantle has to offer Mar 03 21:39:27 Yea Mar 03 21:39:35 DocScrutinizer05, what about creating initfs image with softupd binary used for flashing eMMC? Mar 03 21:39:37 without making yourself familiar with the basics first Mar 03 21:39:48 I do... Mar 03 21:39:53 so it will be possible to flash eMMC without working rootfs... Mar 03 21:39:58 I'm learning in a practice Mar 03 21:40:41 yeah, and I'm getting tired to give you lessens. Sorry it's geberally a good approach, but you're too fst and demanding for me today Mar 03 21:41:29 Pali: I guess that's exactly how eMMC flashing aka Mk-II works Mar 03 21:42:22 just that it uses rootfs instead of initfs from flasher Mar 03 21:42:30 DocScrutinizer05, eMMC flashing is done by /usr/sbin/softupd Mar 03 21:42:35 Yea, i know :( But if that's wouldn't be you guys, i would get into a serious troubles :( Mar 03 21:42:56 so if I create initfs + kernel and load it via NOLO I can use flasher-3.5 to flash eMMC Mar 03 21:43:26 Pali: ack Mar 03 21:44:02 kerio: I don't see kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher inside the HAM Mar 03 21:44:08 I wonder if friggin softupd is open Mar 03 21:44:15 no closed Mar 03 21:44:22 HARM? Mar 03 21:44:30 gitorious? Mar 03 21:44:34 :) AGM-88 Mar 03 21:44:38 on fremantle and harmattan closed Mar 03 21:44:44 no source code on internet Mar 03 21:44:46 dang Mar 03 21:44:50 alredy tried to google Mar 03 21:44:56 suckers Mar 03 21:44:59 and also wrote nokia dev maintainer Mar 03 21:45:07 he wrote me that it is closed Mar 03 21:45:14 ORLY Mar 03 21:45:24 thanks for info, nokia Mar 03 21:45:51 kerio: only 1) Linux kernel (boot image) 2) Linux kernel for BFS user 3) Linux kernel for BFS user (boot image) 3) Linux kernel for power user 4) Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot) Mar 03 21:46:10 install 3) and 4) Mar 03 21:46:12 what's about johnwil, wouldn't he maybe... I mean, how large can softupd be? Mar 03 21:46:24 121508 Mar 03 21:46:33 -rwxr-xr-x root/root 121508 2010-03-18 18:49 ./usr/sbin/softupd Mar 03 21:46:38 hmmm Mar 03 21:46:48 deb package verion: 0.4.4+0m5 Mar 03 21:46:49 too heavy for jonwil? Mar 03 21:46:58 But where's the kernel-power-flasher ? Mar 03 21:47:00 Pali: is there an x86 version? Mar 03 21:47:05 kerio, no Mar 03 21:47:12 only on downloads.maemo.... Mar 03 21:47:30 DocScrutinizer05, I have already sniffed commands via USB Mar 03 21:47:43 XATRIX: parts of uboot and PK are only available on pali's site Mar 03 21:47:46 or in tmo Mar 03 21:48:05 Em... which one? Mar 03 21:48:15 I'm using merlin1991 repo Mar 03 21:48:16 XATRIX, install 3) and 4) and uboot Mar 03 21:48:18 e.g KP52 Mar 03 21:48:42 Pali: yep...i'm trying to Mar 03 21:48:51 DocScrutinizer05, here is info which I RE: https://gitorious.org/0xffff/0xffff/blobs/master/doc/mkii Mar 03 21:48:59 which of the both 3)? ;-P Mar 03 21:49:01 needed for client side Mar 03 21:49:07 But what does Doc meant? Mar 03 21:49:26 Pali: what is your site for PK ? Mar 03 21:49:27 DocScrutinizer05, of course kernel-power :-) Mar 03 21:49:40 ~kp Mar 03 21:49:40 [kp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Mar 03 21:49:52 read first post Mar 03 21:50:06 read first two lines Mar 03 21:50:07 crap :( i've already installed it Mar 03 21:50:18 But without kernel-power-flasher Mar 03 21:50:24 You told me late Mar 03 21:50:28 then you installed an obsolete version Mar 03 21:50:46 correct order is: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher Mar 03 21:50:48 Any possiblitly to uninstall ? Mar 03 21:50:54 if you haven't installed flasher yet, you probably can revert Mar 03 21:50:55 install new version Mar 03 21:50:57 askpal Mar 03 21:51:02 ask Pali Mar 03 21:51:13 if -flasher is not installed nothing happened Mar 03 21:51:27 what I thought Mar 03 21:51:57 I added merlin1991 repo, installed 'Linux kernel for power user' and 'Linux kernel for power user(boot image for multiboot) Mar 03 21:52:19 then you flashed version from extras Mar 03 21:52:27 48 Mar 03 21:52:30 46? Mar 03 21:52:38 how can i check ? Mar 03 21:52:40 now you can update to last version from TMO Mar 03 21:52:45 2.6.28.10 Mar 03 21:52:45 DocScrutinizer05, 50 or 51 Mar 03 21:52:51 o.O Mar 03 21:52:52 wow Mar 03 21:53:06 every kernel-power is 2.6.28.10 Mar 03 21:53:12 Yes, :( Mar 03 21:53:19 really, maerlin's mirror has KP50? Mar 03 21:53:21 i don't know how to extract the subversion Mar 03 21:53:31 DocScrutinizer05, in extras is 50 or 51 Mar 03 21:53:38 duh! Mar 03 21:53:42 ~tmp Mar 03 21:53:44 ~tmo Mar 03 21:53:44 tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Mar 03 21:53:53 ~kp Mar 03 21:53:54 well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Mar 03 21:54:02 [22:50:04] read first two lines Mar 03 21:54:05 ok Mar 03 21:54:13 Doc, look: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ Mar 03 21:54:21 Fremantle Extras free armel kernel-power 2.6.28-10power50 Mar 03 21:54:38 Pali: can i uninstall my current KP ? Mar 03 21:54:55 W*T*F?! kp50 is almost a year old? Mar 03 21:55:10 XATRIX, you cannot uninstall kernel Mar 03 21:55:17 you can only flash another Mar 03 21:55:21 Yes :( Mar 03 21:55:27 XATRIX: actually *never* uninstall kernels Mar 03 21:55:29 which you want? Mar 03 21:55:37 latest one Mar 03 21:55:40 nokia default kernel or kernel power? Mar 03 21:55:45 KP Mar 03 21:55:49 I really do not understand what you want now Mar 03 21:55:56 ~kp Mar 03 21:55:57 kp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Mar 03 21:56:01 [22:54:00] [22:50:04] read first two lines Mar 03 21:56:11 Seems like i installed KP not from the proper repo Mar 03 21:56:18 it has no flasher Mar 03 21:56:20 [2013-03-03 22:53:54] well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Mar 03 21:56:21 [2013-03-03 22:54:02] [22:50:04] read first two lines Mar 03 21:56:33 i'm on it... Mar 03 21:57:17 correct order of installation is: kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg Mar 03 21:57:35 ok Mar 03 21:57:53 best you download those with wget Mar 03 21:58:08 and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg Mar 03 21:58:14 no no no Mar 03 21:58:22 nonono? ;-P Mar 03 21:58:25 you need to call one dpkg -i for each package Mar 03 21:58:38 rly? Mar 03 21:58:41 you cannot install all kernel-power packages with one dpkg -i Mar 03 21:58:42 I never do Mar 03 21:58:42 yes Mar 03 21:58:49 because of pre depends Mar 03 21:59:08 yeah, i call it 4 or 5 times XP Mar 03 21:59:23 until it throws no more errors ;) Mar 03 21:59:30 :D Mar 03 22:00:13 i believe I have blacklisted cdc_phonet still not working Mar 03 22:00:18 USB device found found at bus 010, device address 052. Mar 03 22:00:19 Error setting alternate interface: Invalid argument Mar 03 22:00:42 modprobe -r cdc_phonet. if it DOESNOT throw error, something's odd Mar 03 22:00:59 blacklisting cdc_phonet is not needed anymore with last flasher Mar 03 22:01:03 Can you explain me one thing i can't get myself... Pali's manual tells us a temorary link to KP, but should i add it as new repo ? Or how can i operate with it ? Mar 03 22:01:10 it doesn't throw an error everytime over and over Mar 03 22:01:22 XATRIX, download that DEB packages Mar 03 22:01:30 And ? Mar 03 22:01:40 install them via dpkg -i as root Mar 03 22:01:48 I supposed to install it with HAM ? Mar 03 22:01:50 [2013-03-03 22:57:53] best you download those with wget Mar 03 22:01:52 [2013-03-03 22:58:08] and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg Mar 03 22:02:02 XATRIX, you can also with HAM Mar 03 22:02:09 but is is slow via HAM :-) Mar 03 22:02:23 but in this particular case I'd suggest to use apt-get Mar 03 22:02:23 XATRIX, open downloaded file via file manager Mar 03 22:02:27 err dpkg Mar 03 22:02:28 But, it won't update my current KP right ? Mar 03 22:02:35 XATRIX, it update Mar 03 22:02:38 OK Mar 03 22:02:41 i'll try Mar 03 22:02:57 XATRIX, look at correct order!!! Mar 03 22:03:09 otherwise it will fail Mar 03 22:03:12 Pali: also how's ham to know about tmo? or pali's own "repo" Mar 03 22:03:41 DocScrutinizer05, you can install downloaded DEB package via HAM Mar 03 22:03:53 just click on deb package in file manager Mar 03 22:04:02 and I seem to recall that installing debs via clicking on URL in microb doesn't really work Mar 03 22:04:15 yeah, in file manager Mar 03 22:04:20 that's a PITA Mar 03 22:04:24 use dpkg -i Mar 03 22:04:36 this working without root Mar 03 22:04:42 :nod: Mar 03 22:05:03 you need to install rootsh via this method Mar 03 22:05:06 or enable R&D mode Mar 03 22:05:29 I'd hope somebody installing KP already *has* rootsh Mar 03 22:05:45 everything else feels... silly Mar 03 22:06:26 * kerio doesn't have rootsh Mar 03 22:06:32 what a poweruser is that who needs KP but doesn't want root on his device? Mar 03 22:06:43 must be kerio Mar 03 22:06:49 ;-P Mar 03 22:07:23 d: Mar 03 22:07:25 somebody with working root shell :-) Mar 03 22:07:38 not **** rootsh package Mar 03 22:07:47 ;-P Mar 03 22:07:59 Pali: you can say "fuck" on the internet Mar 03 22:08:05 fixing **** rootsh config is easy Mar 03 22:08:10 Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/kernel# dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb Mar 03 22:08:13 Is it ok ? Mar 03 22:08:15 no Mar 03 22:08:23 :( Mar 03 22:08:23 one dpkg for one file Mar 03 22:08:28 Ah Mar 03 22:08:30 dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb Mar 03 22:08:38 XATRIX: try it Mar 03 22:08:42 then dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb Mar 03 22:08:44 ... Mar 03 22:08:47 Ye Mar 03 22:08:59 it will throw error, so just try it again, it will throw less errors Mar 03 22:09:25 you can even try dpkg -i *.deb Mar 03 22:09:42 when you only got those 4 *.deb in your CWD Mar 03 22:10:09 ;-) Mar 03 22:10:32 after 4th invocation it shouldn't throw any more error Mar 03 22:10:36 you're done Mar 03 22:11:12 but yeah, Pali's method is cleaner Mar 03 22:11:30 http://fpaste.org/pEgj/ - hope it's ok Mar 03 22:11:41 >>> [23:08:04] fixing **** rootsh config is easy <<< I know how Mar 03 22:11:51 but you think that it will break some apps Mar 03 22:12:01 but I do not think Mar 03 22:12:06 looks good Mar 03 22:12:07 the fun thing is that DocScrutinizer05's configuration for passwordful "sudo gainroot" breaks maemo semantics Mar 03 22:12:13 now reboot, and pray Mar 03 22:12:32 it'll be just kernel-power, it'll work Mar 03 22:12:35 there's no uboot Mar 03 22:12:44 XATRIX, its ok Mar 03 22:12:57 Wait a bit, Pali's manual said kernel-power-bootimg - it's a multiboot Mar 03 22:13:14 If i get it correct multiboot != uboot Mar 03 22:13:20 no Mar 03 22:13:22 it's a uBoot bootimage Mar 03 22:13:30 bootimg package contains kernel bootimg Mar 03 22:13:31 it's not uBoot yet Mar 03 22:13:38 which can be used for uboot or multiboot Mar 03 22:13:38 ahh Mar 03 22:13:42 ok, rebooting Mar 03 22:13:55 do you have uboot installed? Mar 03 22:14:00 Not yet Mar 03 22:14:10 you can install it now if you want Mar 03 22:14:15 before rebooting Mar 03 22:14:15 ok Mar 03 22:14:25 :nod: Mar 03 22:14:46 kerio: maemo semantics? Mar 03 22:14:51 wtf is that? Mar 03 22:14:59 sudo gainroot is supposed to be passwordless Mar 03 22:15:06 (and only working in rd mode) Mar 03 22:15:09 ooh, it is? Mar 03 22:15:21 shrug Mar 03 22:15:27 that's what stock does Mar 03 22:15:31 nobody using R&D mode Mar 03 22:16:39 if there's any such thing like maemo semantics or rather gainroot semantics then it's that of fekkered rootsh which several borked packages require Mar 03 22:17:15 and yes, my fix to rootsh is breaking the broken pakckages that depend on sudo gainroot Mar 03 22:17:23 ANd I LOVE IT! Mar 03 22:17:42 since that's braindead BS to code an app Mar 03 22:18:03 if you need sudo for your app, add a sudoers.d/* file Mar 03 22:18:43 or run your root process as root already Mar 03 22:18:49 onlt qradio and clean900 needs rootsh, see: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ Mar 03 22:19:07 so you don't need any sudo gainroot undigestable hackery Mar 03 22:19:16 we can patch both apps and fix root shell in gainroot Mar 03 22:19:25 Pali: what's the correct order? 1) u-boot-tools 2) u-boot-flasher ? Mar 03 22:19:33 why didn't we already, for CSSU? Mar 03 22:20:04 XATRIX, yes Mar 03 22:20:26 DocScrutinizer05, what for CSSU? Mar 03 22:20:41 fixed rootsh Mar 03 22:21:08 Pali: But i still have only - U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 AND uboot-pr13 in HAM Mar 03 22:21:15 is it ok ? Mar 03 22:21:40 I'd consider even adding a proper rootsh with password to a system that doesn't have any rootsh before isn't a bad thing to do Mar 03 22:21:41 XATRIX, use "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" Mar 03 22:21:46 uboot-pr13 is old Mar 03 22:22:02 wait as sec, this kernel is not KP Mar 03 22:22:18 yes Mar 03 22:22:31 U-boot will load kernel-power from bootimg package at runtime Mar 03 22:22:32 So ? :( Mar 03 22:22:37 AH Mar 03 22:22:42 Alright Mar 03 22:22:57 DocScrutinizer05, possible and I have prepared this in my hdd in git Mar 03 22:23:08 default root passwd is rootme Mar 03 22:23:11 go ahead! Mar 03 22:23:17 and you can change it Mar 03 22:23:35 also openssh server asking you for changing password Mar 03 22:23:50 I'd just demand a proper user defined password as for ssh Mar 03 22:24:19 Old kernel version: 2.6.28.10-power52 | New kernel version: U-boot 2012.10-rc3 Mar 03 22:24:20 if it's not set yet Mar 03 22:25:05 XATRIX, flash it! Mar 03 22:25:07 XATRIX: yes, ok Mar 03 22:25:14 done Mar 03 22:25:45 * XATRIX closed his eyes and pressed restart button Mar 03 22:26:03 open keyboard Mar 03 22:26:09 !! Mar 03 22:26:12 ) Mar 03 22:26:14 with closed keyboard default kernel will be booted Mar 03 22:27:21 after selecting kernel to boot in uBoot you probably want to imediately close kbd so you don't end up in BM Mar 03 22:27:23 Alright, i see: 1) Attached kernel 2) Internal eMMC 3) External SD card 4) U-boot boot order 5) U-boot console Mar 03 22:27:57 XATRIX, this looks like bootmenu was not generated Mar 03 22:28:10 I'm fucked up ? :( Mar 03 22:28:15 do you have first eMMC partition MyDocs formated as FAT32? Mar 03 22:28:18 luckily this can get done Mar 03 22:28:24 boot attached kernel Mar 03 22:28:29 ok Mar 03 22:28:37 about FAT32 - don't know Mar 03 22:28:49 open xterm and post output of: df -h Mar 03 22:28:51 Pali: yes he has Mar 03 22:28:53 and also: mount Mar 03 22:29:16 XATRIX and output of (as root): u-boot-update-bootmenu Mar 03 22:29:33 he probably didn't generate u-boot-update-bootmenu because he installed u-boot after the bootimg Mar 03 22:29:39 Pali: he installed uBoot after KP.img Mar 03 22:29:53 u-boot calling u-boot-update-bootmenu is postinst Mar 03 22:29:56 dang, kerio beat me to it Mar 03 22:30:25 XATRIX: run u-boot-update-bootmenu Mar 03 22:30:37 and post output Mar 03 22:30:38 Ye, but i'm waiting it to boot Mar 03 22:31:08 DocScrutinizer05, what is with extras-devel, autobuilder and maemo.org logging? Mar 03 22:31:25 logging? Mar 03 22:31:34 I cannot log to maemo.org Mar 03 22:31:39 invalid username or password Mar 03 22:31:44 aah, login Mar 03 22:33:14 http://fpaste.org/5Oer/ Mar 03 22:33:30 a: merlin1991 supposed to fix the hasum errors which I hope he does today (we don't need sophisticated checks for pkg integrity, just rebuild hashsum file) b): x-fade MIA, c): we opened a ticket and asked Nemein to fix it Mar 03 22:33:54 XATRIX, it is OK Mar 03 22:33:59 try to reboot Mar 03 22:34:01 ok Mar 03 22:34:43 ubi0:rootfs 227.8M 136.4M 87.1M 61% / Mar 03 22:34:59 I do not belive 87 MB free space?? Mar 03 22:35:05 Pali: if that's "ok2 then I need to write up a user interface guideline for you Mar 03 22:35:08 DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ this is possible?? Mar 03 22:35:19 sure Mar 03 22:36:01 ubi0:rootfs 228M 169M 56M 76% / Mar 03 22:36:11 and I have already lots of shit on that Mar 03 22:36:14 1) Maemo 5 with attached kernel 2.6.28-omap1 (Internal Nand) 2) Maemo 5 with kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power52 (Internal Nand) 3) U-Boot console Mar 03 22:36:27 XATRIX, ok working fine Mar 03 22:36:36 1 = 2 ? Mar 03 22:36:41 o.O Mar 03 22:36:50 kernel 2.6.28-omap1 Mar 03 22:36:54 kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power52 Mar 03 22:37:03 aaah, kernel-power Mar 03 22:37:06 Yes, this is the order Mar 03 22:37:13 1) is default nokia kernel, 2) is kernel-power Mar 03 22:37:27 And the default one, will actually work ? Mar 03 22:37:38 default is first in menu Mar 03 22:37:39 I suppose it doesn't exist anymore ? Mar 03 22:37:52 no u-boot has glued default kernel Mar 03 22:37:58 *sigh* it still exists, attached to uBoot Mar 03 22:38:09 O_O Mar 03 22:38:13 if you delete all kernels packages, you can always boot that one glued into uboot Mar 03 22:38:18 if however the kernel MODULES are still around is beyond me Mar 03 22:38:32 yes, you need -modules package Mar 03 22:38:37 ok Mar 03 22:38:56 DocScrutinizer05, what with "user interface guideline for you" mean? Mar 03 22:39:23 I mean there are way too many error messages that are not meant to be errors Mar 03 22:39:38 and no fat "OK everything FINE" at end Mar 03 22:40:17 rootfs 228M 117M 108M 53% / Mar 03 22:40:20 yes, changing them to warnings (or ignore them) is good idea Mar 03 22:40:28 you n00bz Mar 03 22:40:34 kerio, did you removed full rootfs? :D Mar 03 22:40:50 Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file Mar 03 22:40:51 I have about 10MB Mar 03 22:40:53 optified things Mar 03 22:41:03 scares me to death ;-) Mar 03 22:41:09 :) Mar 03 22:41:19 if somebody is interesting.... need wiki page for uboot Mar 03 22:41:45 XATRIX: default bootmenu entry can be configured with: ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/ /etc/default/bootmenu.item Mar 03 22:41:47 Ok, guys, i want to really thanks to all of you! You helped me as noone did :) And currently i have to go... See you tomorrow! Mar 03 22:42:08 Ok, i'll reconfigure it before i leave Mar 03 22:42:15 It's a good idea to Mar 03 22:42:30 and do not forget to run u-boot-update-bootmenu after change Mar 03 22:42:35 Yea Mar 03 22:42:39 :-) Mar 03 22:43:19 Hm... i currently have no /etc/default/bootmenu.item :) Mar 03 22:43:23 have a daemon do that when there's an inotify on /etc/bootmenu.d/* :P Mar 03 22:43:31 XATRIX: default bootmenu entry can be configured with: ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/ /etc/default/bootmenu.item Mar 03 22:43:34 XATRIX, then attached menu is used Mar 03 22:44:17 kerio, do you want to write uboot wiki page? :-) Mar 03 22:44:34 not really, i'm kinda sleepy Mar 03 22:44:39 i'm in bed Mar 03 22:45:15 I'm going sleep too, bye :-) Mar 03 22:45:24 night pal Mar 03 22:45:26 8 Mar 03 22:45:29 MohammadAG: haha, nice Mar 03 22:45:31 er, i Mar 03 22:45:34 cruft Mar 03 22:45:41 Ok, now it's working ! Mar 03 22:45:45 bye Pali Mar 03 22:45:47 Thanks thanks thanks! Mar 03 22:46:06 night Pali Mar 03 22:46:22 goodnight guys! Mar 03 22:46:28 n8 Mar 03 22:46:47 getting a USB DAC soon, would be nice to have it working on the N9 Mar 03 22:47:01 hmm, no way Mar 03 22:47:13 HARM 666 Mar 03 22:47:14 maybe I'll butcher the N900 patches into the N9 kernel Mar 03 22:47:26 won't work Mar 03 22:47:39 why? it'd just need 5V boost I'd guess Mar 03 22:47:52 no, it's different hw Mar 03 22:48:03 same musb though? Mar 03 22:48:09 actually it should be simpler than on N900 Mar 03 22:48:25 I assume cause the ID pin is connected Mar 03 22:48:34 that too Mar 03 22:48:50 then besides something handling vboost what else is missing? Mar 03 22:49:00 or is the whole switching mech missing? Mar 03 22:49:18 otoh two alternative boost systems in device Mar 03 22:49:45 use rand() to pick one, easy as pie! :P Mar 03 22:49:56 twl4030 chagepump and bq2415x boost Mar 03 22:50:43 if twl4030 would start chargepump as supposed to do with standard kernels, it might smoke up system since it tries to charge same time via bq2415x Mar 03 22:51:16 (stop bme?) Mar 03 22:51:37 so you need: "standard" beagleboard OTG kernel stuff, remove twl4030 chargepump, replace it by bq2415x-boost Mar 03 22:51:45 yeah, and stop bme Mar 03 22:51:51 AND stop bme? Mar 03 22:51:57 AND stop bme Mar 03 22:52:18 wouldn't using twl4030 as boost and stopping bme make the device ignore bq*? Mar 03 22:52:33 which again is kernel->userspace and thus EVIL Mar 03 22:53:00 err yes, probably Mar 03 22:53:16 so it shouldn't smoke up :P Mar 03 22:53:26 but I doubt twl4030 chargepump works as supposed Mar 03 22:53:43 and bq2415x would still enter emergency chaging mode Mar 03 22:53:58 what if the USB device is self powered? Mar 03 22:54:06 due to chip reset on bme stopped Mar 03 22:54:30 doesn't cjange a thing, it still needs VBUS on N9 Mar 03 22:54:56 without VBUS the musb won't start a session Mar 03 22:54:58 is the N950 the same? Mar 03 22:55:07 basicaly yes, afaik Mar 03 22:55:17 nobody ever seen schematics of 950 Mar 03 22:55:38 so small question Mar 03 22:55:44 why hasn't anyone picked this up? Mar 03 22:55:50 aegis-fu and open mode? Mar 03 22:55:52 javispedro has Mar 03 22:56:09 then lost interest after some tries Mar 03 22:56:19 did he get something working? Mar 03 22:56:34 nah, not more than I did: vboost Mar 03 22:56:58 he got vboost working? Mar 03 22:57:08 I got booston working Mar 03 22:57:16 2 years ago Mar 03 22:57:27 so only OTG needs to be fixed? Mar 03 22:57:41 yes, 'only' kernel OTG needs to get fixed Mar 03 22:57:53 (and the fuck? it's been 2 years since the N9 was out?) Mar 03 22:58:00 as I said, mostly beagleboard stuff I'd guess Mar 03 22:58:25 hmm, that's a fun project to work on Mar 03 22:58:37 good luck! Mar 03 22:58:40 where are the latest N9 sources? Mar 03 22:58:47 drop by and ask if you need help Mar 03 22:59:09 #harmattan Mar 03 22:59:09 I'm always here (at least when my home PC doesn't shut down, I moved znc to it) Mar 04 00:02:27 r00t^home: gconftool -R /|less <--- thanks! but i asked for fs location becuse i need to restore it from an fs-level backup Mar 04 00:04:55 I guess the correct way is to check the gconf schemata then, the pragmatic way probably is grep Mar 04 00:08:14 yeah... Mar 04 00:08:39 just grepping for the password isn't easy if i don't know the password ;) Mar 04 00:08:52 i'll just hope that changing the password at the provider will eventually work Mar 04 00:09:09 well, you find the password with my orgininal suggestion Mar 04 00:09:41 but it probably won't store the password unless it's correct... Mar 04 00:10:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 Mar 04 00:10:27 thanks, thanks... Mar 04 00:10:45 but it's not urgend anymore, i already solved the problem at hand by walking over ;) Mar 04 00:10:48 *urgent Mar 04 00:12:28 ...SCP-1902 is capable of communication by shaping portions of its mass into rough approximations of characters in Japanese, although it is capable of understanding all languages tested thus far. Mar 04 00:17:30 uhuh! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 04 02:59:58 2013