**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 15 02:59:58 2013 Mar 15 05:19:40 hey, question to experts here Mar 15 05:20:37 one of my devices that I've prepared since week or so (shitload of work put into) got FCKD software'ishly Mar 15 05:21:05 I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I suspect that somehow kernel modules and all stuf (beyond kernel itself, flashed) got screwed Mar 15 05:22:04 the only thing that I blame for failure, is accidental re-install of kp52 packages (over same package version) - I did dpkg -i *.deb in one folder, where, amongst other packages to install, were kp flasher, kp modules, and kp metapackage Mar 15 05:22:35 it *shouldn't* result in any problem, as exact same version was installed - I've seen message in console, about flashing sucessfuly to nand Mar 15 05:23:08 but, it seems that *somehow*, modules etc (all package other than kernel itself and flasher) could have get FCKD. symptomes seem to confirm this suspicion: Mar 15 05:23:34 1. no fbcon, despite modpring it where it should be and always worked 2. ext4 stopped getting mountable Mar 15 05:23:47 + of course device doesn't boot ;) what kinda woprks, though, is backupmenu Mar 15 05:24:16 the thing is, that backup I have is pretty old - yes, contain all kernel things for same version as it should be now on device Mar 15 05:24:43 I've created backup of current rootfs and optfs, but what I would like to achieve (sorry for long description): Mar 15 05:25:32 unpacking current rootfs backup (non working due to messed kernel modules etc), unpacking old backup (all things ok, but old), and moving things related to kernel from old package, to new Mar 15 05:25:46 now, the thing is - what should I move, to not miss anything? Mar 15 05:29:42 + are the required files on root only, or something on optfs too? Mar 15 05:30:46 also, am I right about my assumption, that flashed kernel is OK, just files on root are screwed, if things like fbcon and ext4 modules are absent? Mar 15 05:30:59 or it may, actually, look the other way around? Mar 15 05:33:04 Estel_: wouldnt unpacking kp's .deb files tell you all the places it puts files in hence being accurate of what you need to move? Never used kp before so no idea though... Mar 15 05:36:29 thedead1440, thought about same and did it... although, my root is strange Mar 15 05:36:58 7nder /lib/modules I have both kp modules format, and omap1. In KP folder, all modules that should be present, are present Mar 15 05:37:25 so I, generally, have NFC what is going on Mar 15 05:39:25 no idea how kernel could get reverted back to omap1 by dpkg'ing kp packages again, but... I would like to try flashing only kernel via flasher (not whole fiasco), although need to investigate, how to get proper flashable kernel image from kp package. I know it is possible, just never did Mar 15 05:39:35 probably, it is in bootimage package, hm... Mar 15 05:43:27 thedead1440, sorry for bothering, but do you remember, where things like linux flasher are mirrored? Mar 15 05:43:36 ~dev-tools Mar 15 05:43:44 ~flasher Mar 15 05:43:44 well, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Mar 15 05:43:45 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Mar 15 05:43:50 * Estel_ nods Mar 15 05:43:52 thanks Mar 15 05:43:53 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ Mar 15 05:43:55 np Mar 15 05:44:30 I haven't had a need for using flasher since literal years, ffs Mar 15 05:44:36 haha Mar 15 06:00:26 ooooh, N900 OpenCV performance is quite decent Mar 15 06:01:27 unlike the mess I had to hack up for Android Mar 15 06:04:58 I've found how to flash only kernel (.fiasco image extracted from kernel package, --flash-only=kernel argument for flasher), but now I can't seem to put device into flash mode 0_o Mar 15 06:05:39 connecting/turning it on while holding U doesn't seem to affect anything, while I'm 100% sure that usb port is working OK (through backupmenu mass storage mode, transfers works ok) Mar 15 06:05:42 what the heck? Mar 15 06:07:18 putting battery inside, while holding U (and device connected by usb) also doesn't help, ffs Mar 15 06:08:17 ~cold-flash Mar 15 06:08:20 ~cold-flashing Mar 15 06:08:29 ~ping Mar 15 06:08:30 ~pong Mar 15 06:08:36 ~coldflash Mar 15 06:08:36 coldflash is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Mar 15 06:09:19 no idea why I should use coldflash as nolo shouldn't be damaged, but I'm becoming desperate, no freaking way to put device into flash mode?! Mar 15 06:10:13 oh, sure. Maemo wiki got broken again, too Mar 15 06:13:44 Estel_: i've reported about wiki; btw for kernel flash its "flasher -a rootfs.bin -k zImage --flash-only=kernel -f -R" right? Mar 15 06:13:58 for coldflash a "-c" flag needs to be added only isn't it? Mar 15 06:14:27 idk, never had to do it, in fact, knowing just theory. From links, many more commands are required Mar 15 06:14:34 + vodoo with battery removal/insert Mar 15 06:14:49 -a rootfs.bin isn't required if you want to flash kernel only Mar 15 06:14:58 well Mar 15 06:15:02 depends on what you have Mar 15 06:15:12 i had .fiasco file from unpacked kp package Mar 15 06:15:24 so i used normal -F and --flash-only=kernel Mar 15 06:15:37 if you have rootfs.bin, then of course -a rootfs.bin Mar 15 06:15:40 ah Mar 15 06:15:55 anyway, my current problem is to bring fckn device into flashing mode Mar 15 06:16:27 never seen devide that boots OK into backupmenu, but fails to flash (if hardware ok, and here usb works like charm) Mar 15 06:19:10 Estel_: wiki is up thanks to warfare Mar 15 06:19:20 kudos warfare Mar 15 06:19:56 btw, IDK who wrote ~coldflash, but that link to irc is bullshit for 200 lines, with main attraction being DocScrutinizer05 abusing chanop to silence some guy and mohammad bashing DocScrutinizer05 for it Mar 15 06:20:10 then, and only after then, proper instruction to coldflash is given in 6 lines Mar 15 06:20:38 someone got ego problems, forcing us to read 200 lines of bullshit by linking to it, instead of that 6 lines Mar 15 06:20:48 for refference: Mar 15 06:21:18 start linux PC, download fiasco image, unpack it by: Mar 15 06:21:34 flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Mar 15 06:21:51 remove battery from device, connect it Mar 15 06:22:11 or actually don't connect yet? Mar 15 06:22:14 invoke: Mar 15 06:22:16 flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb Mar 15 06:22:26 connect device, insert battery Mar 15 06:22:58 after that, device should get coldflashed, and later, you may (and need to, most of the times) flash it normally Mar 15 06:23:33 wiki doesn't mention the unpacking just: "flasher-3.5 -h RX-51:2101 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S usb" Mar 15 06:23:45 where 2101 is the HW revision Mar 15 06:25:21 hm Mar 15 06:25:34 good point Mar 15 06:25:39 probably it goes over unpacking Mar 15 06:25:46 getting required bits from whole image Mar 15 06:25:49 pali had edited the wiki to remove the unpacking steps MAG had added into the wiki Mar 15 06:26:16 and he did it recently (04/03/13) ;) Mar 15 06:26:32 it seems ok, mag's instructions (discovered by jacekowski) were based frome arly discoveries Mar 15 06:26:37 early* Mar 15 06:26:46 say hi to undocumented flasher Mar 15 06:27:11 0x000FF (or whatever that's called) is your tonic ;) Mar 15 06:29:57 0xFFFF Mar 15 06:30:12 nice thing, although me wanna it compiled for N900 to flash one device from another ;) Mar 15 06:30:19 possible already, but quite complicated Mar 15 06:30:46 yeah i was thinking that too; since it supports Harmattan flashing too you can flash n9(00) via another n900; cool and portable ;) Mar 15 06:31:16 btw funny day re that N900 I'm talking about - earlier, when problem got first discovred, original Nokia batter, which had ~1100 mAh before, dropped suddenly to 2.8 V Mar 15 06:31:32 then, charged to 4.2 V getting only 400 mAh, including saturation... Mar 15 06:31:44 then, after 20 seconds inside device, dropped down to 0 V Mar 15 06:31:58 and doesn't want to get alive at all, looks like battery commited suicude Mar 15 06:32:03 hehe Mar 15 06:32:15 I though it was battery problem first Mar 15 06:32:28 then i though I've messed recovery shell in /sbin/preinit Mar 15 06:32:50 so reverted my recent changes in rootfs image, and restored it... no lucky Mar 15 06:33:02 so debugged to the point of pinpointing something about kernel Mar 15 06:33:40 btw I haven't belived in messed preinit too much, as it should kill backupmenu too Mar 15 06:33:50 true Mar 15 06:34:02 but couldn't belived dpkg -i kernel-packages same:same messed things Mar 15 06:34:39 cpnsidering that module are where should be, but no fbcon and ext4 support in kernel, I suspect kernel really get reverted "somehow", no idea how Mar 15 06:34:44 yeah it shouldn't really be messing things up; maybe something else screwed up and its a coincidence Mar 15 06:35:08 installed just trusted packages, that I use on other N900's, though Mar 15 06:35:16 and it's pretty hard to mess with kernel Mar 15 06:36:07 I be that after reflashing device to vanilla and backupmenu (+ kernel) installation + restoring backup from non-working state, it will actually work ok Mar 15 06:36:16 did you check kp's preinst or postinst scripts? Mar 15 06:36:22 * Estel_ sighs and gives coldflash another try Mar 15 06:36:25 yea Mar 15 06:36:29 Maybe it does some removal when doing postrm Mar 15 06:36:36 ough Mar 15 06:36:38 a replacement would mean kp doing a postrm first right Mar 15 06:36:39 that's possible Mar 15 06:36:56 yea, but kp have special option to get back into nokia kernel Mar 15 06:37:03 one should never dpkg remove kernel Mar 15 06:37:18 which probably explain my problems, although, it should get over-installed again Mar 15 06:37:33 maybe it failed at some point, and required re-install of packages, which i missed Mar 15 06:37:41 yup Mar 15 06:38:06 ome packages in extras are really fucked up, yesterday I had to 5ouch /blabla/doc/blabla files... Mar 15 06:38:19 as postinst script was failing due to alcking DOCS in packages Mar 15 06:38:28 and prevented dpkg from configuring package Mar 15 06:38:47 fuckin documentation lacking, which someone foolishly wanted to optify Mar 15 06:38:59 and it wasn't some fubar package, it was about video decoding Mar 15 06:39:19 btw creating dummy docs to satisfy postinst made it work ok, of course, nothing broken Mar 15 06:39:38 (video decoding - I mean libavdecode things, and so goes on) Mar 15 06:39:41 mpeg2dec? Mar 15 06:39:43 oh Mar 15 06:40:16 no, some rather common packages. IDK if marmistrz wanted to update them and messed optification ;) Mar 15 06:40:35 ah Mar 15 06:40:36 or someone else, it was just a placeholder (marmistrz) Mar 15 06:41:02 if we get repo thing sorted out totally, I'll pester testing squad about this Mar 15 06:41:45 repos are working now; i read Doc asking sixwheeled and Martin to wait a day before trying it out so i think things are normal already Mar 15 06:41:56 dns too? Mar 15 06:42:03 or still hosts tricks needed? Mar 15 06:42:14 hi Mar 15 06:42:14 Estel_: you were under a rock? :p :p Mar 15 06:42:28 how can i get active call info on my n900? Mar 15 06:42:30 check host -a *.maemo.org ;) Mar 15 06:42:37 well ;) Mar 15 06:42:47 Estel_: 14hrs ago DNS was done Mar 15 06:43:17 nice. so thousands of devices are bombin repos already via pre-defined addresses? Mar 15 06:43:42 they should be Mar 15 06:44:14 Estel_: http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/ Mar 15 06:44:47 45-50MB/s outbound Mar 15 06:45:41 Pali, could accidenta dpkg -i of kernel-power packages (over same version) screw kernel in NAND? Mar 15 06:46:45 dpkg -i should work fine Mar 15 06:49:17 well, but it remove package before reinstalling Mar 15 06:49:22 Pali, ^ Mar 15 06:49:32 dpkg removing kernel packages should fuck things up? Mar 15 06:49:41 what? Mar 15 06:49:47 you are upgrading package Mar 15 06:50:13 when installing/upgrading it flashing kernel nand Mar 15 06:50:22 when removing it doing nothing with kernel nand Mar 15 06:50:24 eh, today I dpkg -i *.deb folder with many packages, where accidentally, kp52 (all three packages, no bootimg) were located Mar 15 06:50:27 though so Mar 15 06:50:35 well, after reboot, device is fckd up Mar 15 06:50:41 no fbcon module loaded Mar 15 06:50:43 no ext4 Mar 15 06:50:54 checking root, /li/modules have kp52 modules Mar 15 06:51:07 but kernel doesn't seem to know what fbcon is, for example Mar 15 06:51:27 backupmenu works, but, funny enough, I can't even reflash normally Mar 15 06:51:53 while I'm sure that usb works ok, as mass-storage mode from backupmenu works great for both read and write Mar 15 06:52:24 restoring working backups doesn't help, and still no fbcon, so I suppose that, somehow, kernel from nand got reverted to omap1 Mar 15 06:53:42 Pali, ^ Mar 15 06:54:49 multiboot? Mar 15 06:55:00 kp not restoring omap1 kernel Mar 15 06:55:15 --> not kp problem Mar 15 06:55:19 no, no multiboot Mar 15 06:55:29 zero multiboot Mar 15 06:55:42 idk what happened, really, nothing I touched could restore omap Mar 15 06:56:00 didnt you installed kernel-flasher? Mar 15 06:56:16 well, as said, dpkg -i it accidentaly, alongside other packages Mar 15 06:56:21 device was on kp52 again Mar 15 06:56:41 and kernel-power-flasher, main package, and modules (3 packages) got dpkg -i accidentaly Mar 15 06:56:57 among innocent packages like mypaint or cutetube, that have nothing to do with kernel Mar 15 06:57:41 well, maybe it's big coincidence, no idea. It's strange that backupmenu works, but no fbcon module, or ext4 support... al behaves like omap1 kernel with kp52 modules installed Mar 15 06:58:15 modprobe fbcon called from preinit doesnt work, mounting ext4 doesnt work (while ext3 is ok) Mar 15 06:58:45 the most strange thing is while device technically works, to the point of having working backupmenu, i CAN'T reflash it Mar 15 06:59:01 doesn't want to get into update mode Mar 15 06:59:12 and usb works for sure as said, flawlessly Mar 15 06:59:32 it just ignore holding U, or whatever. I can't even coldflash it Mar 15 06:59:59 probably coldflash would work, if I would nuke /dev/mtd0 somehow Mar 15 07:00:20 coldflas working always Mar 15 07:00:21 hard to do without terminal, though, and sadly, backupmenu's usb connection is fucked since ages Mar 15 07:00:30 tell it to my device Mar 15 07:00:40 use normal flashing Mar 15 07:00:44 I'm as surprised as you Mar 15 07:00:46 doesn't work Mar 15 07:00:57 holding U don't get device into update mode Mar 15 07:01:03 error message? Mar 15 07:01:08 it just boot into bootloop Mar 15 07:01:15 no, just no suitabke devices found Mar 15 07:01:15 dmesg output? Mar 15 07:01:20 on desktop Mar 15 07:01:35 broken usb? Mar 15 07:01:37 ok, got me on it, lemme check Mar 15 07:01:40 no, usb works Mar 15 07:01:52 as said from backupmenu, I can transfer gigabytes of file via mass storage mode Mar 15 07:01:53 flawlessly Mar 15 07:01:59 use another usb port Mar 15 07:02:04 tried Mar 15 07:02:11 tried both on linux and windows, too Mar 15 07:02:11 usb1.1 or 1.0 Mar 15 07:02:23 0_p don't have such ports, sadly Mar 15 07:02:48 charge battery Mar 15 07:02:51 hm, maybe my keyboard have 1.1 hub, had smth like that Mar 15 07:02:52 charged Mar 15 07:02:59 to full, externally Mar 15 07:03:08 then cold flash Mar 15 07:03:27 it should work even if nolo isn't broken? Mar 15 07:03:32 thats what I thought Mar 15 07:03:34 yes Mar 15 07:03:35 mhm Mar 15 07:03:39 it works always Mar 15 07:03:45 no need to unpack image file? Mar 15 07:03:50 no Mar 15 07:03:56 You've modified wiki instructions sometime last year Mar 15 07:03:58 ok Mar 15 07:04:00 well Mar 15 07:04:07 https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Mar 15 07:04:18 tried 15 times as per wiki, nothing... will try again on yet another machine Mar 15 07:04:25 btw why 1.1 usb port could help? Mar 15 07:04:49 I may dig up usb keyboard which should have usb 1.1 hub build-in, if it may help Mar 15 07:04:49 because sometimes I had problems with 2.0 too Mar 15 07:05:05 is ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db updated dynamically during a call? Mar 15 07:05:11 OK, brb for a while, going to dig it up and try it Mar 15 07:05:12 usb hub has problems too.. Mar 15 07:05:46 damn Mar 15 07:06:06 no usb 1.1 port anywhere in range, other than by old hubs :/ Mar 15 07:06:51 thanks for trying to help me, by the way Mar 15 07:07:45 btw i have never seen device that have hardware fully working, backupmenu working, but unable to flash Mar 15 07:08:22 Estel_: backupmenu needs a bunch of modules too Mar 15 07:08:40 yes, but none from kp IIRC Mar 15 07:08:45 as it works without kp too Mar 15 07:08:46 what is error message of cold flash? Mar 15 07:08:54 just no device found Mar 15 07:09:07 will check dmesg in a few minutes (on desktop) Mar 15 07:09:09 try to remove batery, plug usb cable, insert battery Mar 15 07:09:21 of course did that ;) Mar 15 07:10:08 so then problem with usb Mar 15 07:10:13 cold flashing working always Mar 15 07:10:17 Pali, just for the record, it is normal, that /lib/modules have folder for both kp52 and omap1? Mar 15 07:10:31 yes Mar 15 07:10:37 Pali, but as soon as I get into backupmenu, mass storage mode works flawlessly Mar 15 07:11:03 well, I did backup and transferred it via mass-storage, backup of current rootfs and optfs, investigated situation on root... Mar 15 07:11:03 hm, I do not know, try to ask jacekowski Mar 15 07:11:08 modules are where they should Mar 15 07:11:15 going offline, bye Mar 15 07:11:29 see ya, thanks Mar 15 07:12:01 booting into different linux flavour from livecd, will try coldflashing from there... Mar 15 07:18:39 dmesg from desktop: Mar 15 07:18:52 Product: Nokia USB ROM Mar 15 07:19:11 found as usb device, when I connect it, trying to flash Mar 15 07:19:38 no flashing, though, hm Mar 15 07:19:54 ~coldflash Mar 15 07:19:56 methinks coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:34:01 (jacekowski's instructions), or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Mar 15 07:24:21 FINALLY! cold flashed sucessfuly Mar 15 07:25:27 but, after cold flash, while device is in temporary bootloader (i see usb icon in corner, too), I can't flash regularly? wtf? Mar 15 07:26:48 flash-only=nolo doesn't produce results *facepalm* Mar 15 07:27:47 hm, icon in corner, although device screen is dim, I see that usb icon flashes. No idea, if it is of any importance Mar 15 07:28:22 Estel_: the ramloaded nolo can only flash nolo afaik Mar 15 07:28:29 not sure why Mar 15 07:29:32 yes, but it doesnt want to flash nolo in my case Mar 15 07:30:01 now I may coldflash to the part of having ramloaded nolo, but no next step (flasg-only=nolo produce "no suitable device found) Mar 15 07:36:03 Estel_: ~coldflash directly goes to >>DocScrutinizer jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" 23:09<< - so stop insulting people by spreading bullshit like >>someone got ego problems, forcing us to read 200 lines of bullshit<< or face the consequences! Mar 15 07:38:21 I want to use hotsopt but I got this error when I start mobilehotspot_backend start I've got Exception: Command 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko' returned with code 256 (0 expected) Mar 15 07:44:15 DocScrutinizer05, your "face consequences" is legendary by now ;) btw, directly, instructions are 172 lines later Mar 15 07:44:49 in middle, we have to witness you silencing some (irritating, but not too much) guy, and mohammad trying to keep you in line, increasingly irritating Mar 15 07:45:00 Estel_: does it read ~coldflash or ~coldflash-terse-instructions? Mar 15 07:45:05 after 172 lines of telenovele, we got 6 liner with direct instructions Mar 15 07:45:13 well Mar 15 07:45:18 so stfu Mar 15 07:45:29 I would rather keep my opinion about ego ;) Mar 15 07:46:02 I would rather go kickbanning you in an instant, if it wasn't for my 1st coffee still missing Mar 15 07:46:09 :) Mar 15 07:46:23 is that official policy? don't op without caffeine? Mar 15 07:46:56 never trust people drinking cofee ;) Herbals for president Mar 15 07:47:43 finally managed to flash nolo via temporary bootloader, but, I wonder - now I should reboot, yep, to get out of bootloader Mar 15 07:47:45 ? Mar 15 07:47:55 of temporary bootloader* Mar 15 07:48:52 YES! Mar 15 07:49:03 flashed KP52 zimage, and fbcon instantly went alive Mar 15 07:49:09 good sign Mar 15 07:49:51 gained root console via backupmenu... I bet this beast will boot normally, now Mar 15 07:49:52 kerio: I guess what I meant been: i'm not sure if I should have another few hours of nap. And the mood that kicking somebody gives me is absolutely contraproductive to that Mar 15 07:50:26 HOW THE FUCK something removed my kernel with omap1? how? Mar 15 07:51:13 DocScrutinizer05, maybe I was too judgemental about ego. Still, it looks like that when you're trying to fix device for 5 hours, and have to go through 172 lines, including you silencing something, and MohammadAG bashing you afterwards... Mar 15 07:51:29 just to find 6 liner, 20 mins later :P Mar 15 07:51:35 (wiki was down at the time) Mar 15 07:52:03 re-thinking it I belive that it wasn't your intention ;) Mar 15 07:52:06 * thedead1440 wonders how old Estel and Doc are; 10 & 12? :p Mar 15 07:52:12 a) i silenced someone to spare guys like you from rading his OT stuff, since I already planned to link a factoid to this convo Mar 15 07:52:15 10*12 Mar 15 07:52:28 I bashed who? Mar 15 07:52:39 DocScrutinizer05, I agree he was irritating like hell. But, it resulted in ever more OT :P Mar 15 07:52:41 MohammadAG: forget it Mar 15 07:52:55 MohammadAG, not important, it was ages ago, in ancient factoid Mar 15 07:53:07 thedead1440: if you sum their ages, maybe Mar 15 07:53:17 My laptop charger's dead :( Mar 15 07:53:19 kerio: hehe Mar 15 07:53:23 we're just friendly taping each other with DocScrutinizer05 ;) *tapPPP* Mar 15 07:53:24 I cant access my source code Mar 15 07:53:53 MohammadAG, real hacker produce 220 V from brain Mar 15 07:54:11 Laptop input is 18.sthV :p Mar 15 07:54:18 *insert approriate xkcd here* Mar 15 07:54:37 oh, fuck. Right, still require hardware to transform :( Mar 15 07:55:22 MohammadAG: get universal charger, should be like 30 bucks even at your place Mar 15 07:56:36 unless you got some silly iFruit product with superspecial powerplug Mar 15 07:56:47 Yeah, official charger is too expensive Mar 15 07:56:49 ;-) Mar 15 07:57:38 yea, device works like charm with proper kernel flashed Mar 15 07:58:02 question is how dpkg -i of kernel packages (over same version) resulted in restoring omap Mar 15 07:58:25 thanks for help, Pali, and thedead1440 for links and listening to my bitching about situation ;) Mar 15 07:59:04 Estel_: there isn't a way, omap1 isn't even stored anywhere on the device Mar 15 07:59:09 Estel_: so in reality the omap modules _musn't_ be in /lib/modules/ for things to work? Mar 15 10:01:57 assume I want to put swap on SD card... is there any nice way to still allow swapping the SD card in/out? :P Mar 15 10:05:16 haha, just discovered weird icon use in the WLAN selection... Mar 15 10:05:25 it uses a lock with one keyhole for WEP, and a lock with two keyholes with WPA Mar 15 10:07:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRteNaa78E8 - but apparently, usually multiple keyholes on the same lock are OR'd, not AND'd... Mar 15 10:07:28 so having two keyholes makes it LESS secure, not MORE Mar 15 11:09:07 how does the auto disable SD card slot when battery cover is opened check work? Mar 15 11:09:22 as in, could I also put a swapon/swapoff sequence in there to move swap to eMMC? Mar 15 11:09:54 divVerent: there is a magnetic sensor in the cover Mar 15 11:10:15 and some daemon triggers the mounting stuff Mar 15 11:10:34 k*something* named Mar 15 11:10:38 forgot its name Mar 15 11:10:51 kexev? Mar 15 11:12:13 ke-recv does that too? Mar 15 11:16:06 ugh, mmc-unmount is a binary. Could still hack it into this mmc unmount script Mar 15 11:16:11 is that the ONLY thing disabling the SD card slot? Mar 15 11:16:38 or is there also a hardware slot turn off when mmc-unmount.sh took too long? Mar 15 11:19:05 basically, my goal would be doing swapon -p 1 on mmc-mount, and swapoff on mmc-unmount, for any detected swap partition (would code my own detection for these) Mar 15 11:20:30 and sounds for completion/failure of this, because failure removing swap is quite critical ;) Mar 15 11:20:46 divVerent: that's no lock with two keyholes, that's an integral helmet for bikers ;-D Mar 15 11:23:03 divVerent: (umount uSD) the umount happens *after* kernel driver already disabled and powered down the physical uSD slot / interface Mar 15 11:23:36 there's no way afaik to intercep that and hoock in some swapoff command Mar 15 11:23:52 there's no way afaik to intercept that and hook in some swapoff command Mar 15 11:24:43 a swapoff would take ages anyway, and that's why it's not supported and can't work Mar 15 11:31:21 hey all :p Mar 15 11:33:21 hey one Mar 15 11:35:07 anyone got the weird problem sometimes that like everything zooms in and get very big for some seconds on your phone? Mar 15 11:39:47 umm, no Mar 15 11:40:17 sounds like a display reslutution glitch Mar 15 11:40:45 or dsp/gfx going mad Mar 15 11:57:35 I was wanting to do something similar implied by the above - specifying per user swap device, to mitigate the effects of swap going away Mar 15 11:57:57 basically so that, for example, roots processes wouldn't die Mar 15 11:58:59 hi all, i did something stupid (not sure what) but my fonts are messed up (squares are displayed) and the gtk theme seems gone. How to fix it ? Can I force reinstall of all installed packages ? Mar 15 11:59:20 i still have a working root ssh connection so that should work Mar 15 12:05:15 what linux distro is maemo people using?;D Mar 15 12:05:54 maemo uses apt Mar 15 12:06:51 and oh okey docscrutinizer05 Mar 15 12:08:52 is_null: sounds like your /home (incl /opt) is gone Mar 15 12:09:13 yep, /opt is gone, i had no idea it was in /home Mar 15 12:09:25 that's the problem Mar 15 12:09:30 so right now i'm copying /opt from another n900 with the same firmware Mar 15 12:09:50 unless you can restore /opt by whatever means, you'll need to reflash Mar 15 12:09:53 so if it only had libs i might be fine, but if it had settings related stuff it's going to be messy Mar 15 12:10:39 i think i still should re-install my packages, if that's possible ? Mar 15 12:11:04 should work and for sure is a sane idea Mar 15 12:12:28 ok thanks Mar 15 12:12:32 yw Mar 15 12:12:36 is tablets-dev.nokia.com down? Mar 15 12:12:53 silverhome: yes there's a mirror linked in the wiki Mar 15 12:13:06 ~skeiron Mar 15 12:13:06 i guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 15 12:13:46 oh okey Mar 15 12:21:50 is it any active fun nokia n9 things going on? Mar 15 12:24:03 join #n9 maybe Mar 15 12:24:22 they seems scary ;S Mar 15 12:24:27 hehe joke Mar 15 12:24:58 join #harmattan too; its more alive than #n9 ;) Mar 15 12:26:44 apparantly that did work Mar 15 12:27:14 root access is great to break the device Mar 15 12:40:19 that's why usually root access is restricted or disabled Mar 15 12:49:39 hmm anyone know how to install the maemo flasher in slackware?xd Mar 15 12:51:04 hmm? Mar 15 12:51:19 get the .tgz and untar it Mar 15 12:51:56 but its just a .tar on the site? Mar 15 12:52:56 DocScrutinizer05: seems the search box is broken on t.m.o, would you know why? Mar 15 12:54:09 how's it broken? Mar 15 12:54:40 sixwheeledbeast: ^^ Mar 15 12:55:24 again no results for searchstrin "nokia2 ? Mar 15 12:55:34 again no results for searchstring "nokia" ? Mar 15 12:55:56 white page on http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=process Mar 15 12:56:22 umm, looks all good to me Mar 15 12:57:19 sixwheeledbeast: host talk.maemo.org Mar 15 12:57:33 also clear browser cache Mar 15 12:57:42 ok nokia works seems to be what is put in the search box Mar 15 12:57:59 yes, that's possibe Mar 15 12:58:09 what's been your searchstring? Mar 15 12:58:21 "n900 sim lock" for example Mar 15 12:58:44 yeah Mar 15 12:59:15 chem|st: tmo search index needs rebuild! (known issue after migration, no?) Mar 15 13:00:04 sixwheeledbeast: this is caused by vBulletin caching searches Mar 15 13:00:08 DocScrutinizer05: each word works on its own not as a string tho. Mar 15 13:00:20 on migration the content of a search gets lost Mar 15 13:00:40 kk, as long as it's known about Mar 15 13:00:44 eventually those search caches expire and get rebuilt Mar 15 13:01:30 minimally changing your searchstring already creates a new search which gets built realtime Mar 15 13:02:40 Seems to be long strings with n900 in Mar 15 13:03:15 possible Mar 15 13:03:55 vBulletin seems to do weird search optimizations Mar 15 13:03:58 ok np, "sim lock" works so found what I was looking for, ta Mar 15 13:04:11 those cached search results only part of the whole Mar 15 13:04:24 thanks for reporting it Mar 15 13:04:52 btw you were interested in raiding autobuilder, no? It's fine to go ahead today Mar 15 13:04:56 np, problem shared problem resolved :) Mar 15 13:05:46 DocScrutinizer05: k, will look at it later maybe, any news on web assistant working? Mar 15 13:06:01 jacekowski sanitized db, and we don't see those insane loads and VMs going down anymore Mar 15 13:06:33 sixwheeledbeast: jacekowski is working on all that, I don't micro-track what gets done Mar 15 13:06:34 hooray for jacekowski and his sql Mar 15 13:07:32 there are/were some NFS mounts and and symlinks and cronjobs and users/groups/permissions missing Mar 15 13:07:58 DocScrutinizer05: np, thanks, your the one that's most in the know. Mar 15 13:08:04 some tables in db were corrupt Mar 15 13:08:54 you're invited to test everything, and ping jacekowski and/or warfare directly, reporting on stuff that fails Mar 15 13:09:13 (for autobuilder that is) Mar 15 13:14:47 DocScrutinizer05: Ok will do thank you, off back to work. ttfn. Mar 15 13:15:22 ~wtf ttfn Mar 15 13:15:23 TTFN: ta ta for now Mar 15 13:44:19 hi all, i'm trying to reinstall all packages but it fails because of disk space ... how is that ? Mar 15 13:54:14 Guys, I bricked my N900 Mar 15 13:54:17 what do? Mar 15 13:54:45 Horcrux: no you didn't Mar 15 13:54:57 "to brick" means something specific Mar 15 13:55:13 okay, I apt-get dist-upgraded Mar 15 13:55:18 reflash Mar 15 13:55:38 how? the flasher downloads are missing from the Nokia website Mar 15 13:55:43 ~skeiron Mar 15 13:55:44 [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 15 13:56:14 thanks a million Mar 15 13:56:33 i reckon that there's no real way to brick a n900, apart from hardware damage Mar 15 13:58:13 maybe if you pour it into melted chocolate Mar 15 13:58:37 is_null: this gives you a super-n900, not a briked one Mar 15 13:58:59 really ? i'm gonna try it then, cause i like to do things internet say Mar 15 13:59:11 nothing can go wrong Mar 15 13:59:24 i'm a great cook, i'm sure i can use the n900 as an ingredient Mar 15 13:59:39 mostly phone call will be sweeter Mar 15 13:59:45 chocolate supercharges the circuitry Mar 15 14:00:20 well thanks for your good advice and support once again Mar 15 14:00:30 i guess i know what to do now Mar 15 14:01:10 WTF, Lucid on the N900? Mar 15 14:01:54 ? Mar 15 14:05:00 apparently you can run Ubuntu Lucid server on n900 Mar 15 14:05:11 that's the sdk Mar 15 14:05:23 it's x86, it doesn't run on the n900 Mar 15 14:05:32 ubuntu runs on the n900 though Mar 15 14:05:33 ah, I see Mar 15 14:05:35 but not well Mar 15 14:05:54 meh, ubuntu is for the resource heavy Mar 15 14:10:36 err, I seem to be missing libusb-0.1.so.4 how do I get it to run without root access? Mar 15 14:11:47 DocScrutinizer05: normal search wfm Mar 15 14:12:51 DocScrutinizer05: it is when searches give to many results Mar 15 14:13:10 mhm Mar 15 14:13:12 k Mar 15 14:13:20 puzzling behaviour Mar 15 14:13:59 can you fix it with simple means? like ... maybe showing a page "too many results" ? Mar 15 14:14:00 yeah I tried to trim everything but some searches get timed out Mar 15 14:14:27 the search thingy does not have that... Mar 15 14:14:34 k Mar 15 14:14:41 too bad :-) Mar 15 14:14:41 maybe I can tweak some php timeout stuff to its needs Mar 15 14:14:57 up to you Mar 15 14:15:06 thanks anyway Mar 15 14:15:07 are the flasher sources available? Mar 15 14:15:13 as 'nokia' is working it should do but it does not for some reason Mar 15 14:15:13 no Mar 15 14:15:18 Horcrux: no Mar 15 14:15:35 in terms of sourcecode Mar 15 14:15:38 there's 0xffff though Mar 15 14:16:21 dammit, Ubuntu 12.04 uses new usb libraries. usblib is no longer be in /usr/lib/ Mar 15 14:16:34 *remove that 'be' Mar 15 14:17:14 DocScrutinizer05: plus the db is performing badly Mar 15 14:17:30 :nod: Mar 15 14:17:48 19seconds for a 'maemo phone' result Mar 15 14:17:56 probably a grep would work better in the end ;-P Mar 15 14:18:15 hell no that would take like hours Mar 15 14:19:08 see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog search for very similar problem. This does a grep actually Mar 15 14:19:13 afaik Mar 15 14:19:20 often times out Mar 15 14:19:28 before results show up Mar 15 14:19:35 ouch Mar 15 14:19:58 well you grep-like the searchindex Mar 15 14:20:07 usually starting same search again delivers better result Mar 15 14:20:34 cause of caching Mar 15 14:20:35 I guess that's because of caching files Mar 15 14:20:40 ;) Mar 15 14:20:56 cya, RL calling Mar 15 14:21:05 without caching the server would probably die on us Mar 15 14:21:10 bb Mar 15 14:21:18 friggin meeting already in just 3.5h Mar 15 14:22:31 ooh, just in case pali shows up, I hope he noticed the mail I sent to Matti, and the answer Matti sent Mar 15 14:23:57 > >Thank you for the feedback! :) We will address these issues you mentioned about in the spotlight in the forthcoming meeting and keep you in the loop. :)<< Mar 15 14:24:42 http://privatepaste.com/2d763d39f2 Mar 15 14:52:43 just to check: you could also flash a n900 with win XP? Mar 15 14:53:05 *could you Mar 15 14:58:38 anyone tried? Mar 15 15:03:28 okay, so apparently there IS a flasher for windows XP, but it's not locatable in that skeiron.org repo Mar 15 15:05:07 Horcrux: there is a flasher for windows and its on skeiron; you clearly haven't been looking properly ;) Mar 15 15:05:36 hint: *.exe Mar 15 15:05:38 its called maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe Mar 15 15:05:45 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ <--- on this page Mar 15 15:05:53 or just XP Mar 15 15:06:06 at first sight i get this like "i want winxp on my n900" Mar 15 15:06:11 better get some coffee Mar 15 15:06:48 xD Mar 15 15:07:50 lol, going to skeiron.org to try and find the root. I just got a 'no' Mar 15 15:08:25 ah :p you go to skeiron.org/tablets-dev to be in the tablets-dev replica Mar 15 15:10:17 right, brb rebooting to Windows Mar 15 15:10:38 errwut? Mar 15 15:11:00 did he use CP/M3 or what? Mar 15 15:11:32 who would reboot to windows, to flash Mar 15 15:11:58 DocScrutinizer05: its comfort level for some people; let them do it ;) Mar 15 15:12:13 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head Mar 15 15:12:27 hehe Mar 15 15:14:02 thedead1440: who's asking about *our* confort level? Mar 15 15:14:11 when talking them thru flashing Mar 15 15:14:31 haha "helpdesk" don't get asked for comfort levels :p Mar 15 15:14:38 my first advice will be: boot to a linux! Mar 15 15:14:45 your are Maemo administrator all this is part of your job, no? :p Mar 15 15:14:48 ;-P Mar 15 15:15:16 I'm administration manager, not administrator Mar 15 15:15:32 ok helpdesk manager, happy? :D Mar 15 15:15:45 though I prefer the term administration coordinator Mar 15 15:16:11 hehe Mar 15 15:16:30 and no, administration != helpdesk Mar 15 15:16:46 hehe but on #maemo Mar 15 15:16:48 read BOFH if you have any doubt about that Mar 15 15:18:29 admin coord is strictly "inhouse" Mar 15 15:19:03 I wouldn't even need to hang out here in this chan Mar 15 15:19:52 and back! Mar 15 15:19:58 lol Mar 15 15:20:01 hehe Mar 15 15:20:10 and afk Mar 15 15:20:14 hahahaha Mar 15 15:20:26 * thedead1440 sees helpdesk manager running away :p Mar 15 15:20:42 you guys were having a grand time while I was gone, weren't you? Mar 15 15:21:14 they did. Mar 15 15:21:22 were we? Mar 15 16:16:04 err, I'm back Mar 15 16:16:25 I hope everybody isn't sick of me yet Mar 15 16:16:56 Horcrux: flash worked? Mar 15 16:17:16 okay, so the Flasher fails with the message ERROR: APE algorith has to be provided to flash all the subimages Mar 15 16:17:42 what did you input? Mar 15 16:18:27 flasher.exe -F (image name) -f -R Mar 15 16:18:43 waaait Mar 15 16:19:00 this is the harmattan flasher, isn't it? Mar 15 16:19:05 dammit Mar 15 16:19:12 flasher-3.5.ext is maemo flasher Mar 15 16:19:48 exe* Mar 15 16:19:51 i posted the full name for you still you didn't read it "_" Mar 15 16:20:12 :( I'm so sorry Mar 15 16:20:31 I really dislike people like me Mar 15 16:20:40 nobody dislikes you ;) Mar 15 16:20:50 I do :P Mar 15 16:21:01 well that's not counted :p Mar 15 16:21:09 now get that flasher and repeat Mar 15 16:24:13 MohammadAG: almost nothing works in Fremantle sociality :). I am on 0.3-3 which I guess is latest Mar 15 16:24:32 okay, now I get a suitable USB device not found error. Time to go get usblib Mar 15 16:24:34 ooh, just in case pali shows up, I hope he noticed the mail I sent to Matti, and the answer Matti sent Mar 15 16:24:36 16:23 > >Thank you for the feedback! :) We will address these issues you mentioned about in the spotlight in the forthcoming meeting and keep you in the loop. :)<< Mar 15 16:24:38 freemangordon: the one in repos is old Mar 15 16:24:38 16:24 http://privatepaste.com/2d763d39f2 Mar 15 16:24:43 Pali: ^^^ Mar 15 16:24:46 Get the one from the thread Mar 15 16:24:53 Until repos work out Mar 15 16:24:56 MohammadAG: I updated today from the new repos Mar 15 16:25:03 MohammadAG: didn;t you push it? Mar 15 16:25:08 No Mar 15 16:25:10 (the one from the thread) Mar 15 16:25:13 ooh Mar 15 16:25:22 so i *downgraded* :D Mar 15 16:25:23 Repos were down when I did the update Mar 15 16:25:27 Also posting to walls wont work Mar 15 16:25:36 API was disabled Mar 15 16:25:45 MohammadAG: afaik autobuilder is up again ;) Mar 15 16:25:46 Apparently apps used it to spam Mar 15 16:25:54 But my charger is dead Mar 15 16:26:00 Laptop charger Mar 15 16:26:06 And thats my dev environemt Mar 15 16:26:09 Environment Mar 15 16:26:15 I see Mar 15 16:27:04 So get the one from my last post on the thread Mar 15 16:27:12 Posts even Mar 15 16:27:38 MohammadAG: I will, but keep in mind all sociality users will get an update from the repo Mar 15 16:33:10 hi all, I read that mail and one note: if matti really want to use 4v1 key, he do not need to regenerate repository. this is not needed. he only need to upload new signature of 4v1 key which extend expiration Mar 15 16:33:17 freemangordon ^^^ Mar 15 16:33:23 DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ Mar 15 16:34:33 Pali: I am just a messenger :) Mar 15 16:34:57 and really extending signature does not solve our problem Mar 15 16:34:57 Pali: BTW seems PPA API patch ahs stuck Mar 15 16:35:31 and I wrote mail why we need new PR1.3* release or use maemo admin key Mar 15 16:35:50 I do not have time now, going offline... Mar 15 16:43:11 YES! Mar 15 16:43:24 internet and phone are both working! Mar 15 16:43:42 congrats Mar 15 16:45:07 thanks a lot, thedead1440 Mar 15 16:45:25 np Mar 15 16:46:23 Oh no, now I have to reinstall everything Dx Mar 15 16:46:33 goodbye Python! Mar 15 16:50:08 it feels so fast again Mar 15 17:03:31 i have an n900 here where python stuff keeps segfaulting on startup. settings says its on cssu-testing, 1tmaemo7.1 even though HAM says there are no updates available; i don't understand why it isn't on 7.2. apt-get upgrade -s says it would upgrade python-hildon and python-pyside.qtmaemo Mar 15 17:03:50 any ideas for how to fix python/get on the latest CSSU? Mar 15 17:04:35 BCMM you can use merlin or skeiron repos to get the latest CSSU-T; for python no idea Mar 15 17:05:52 thedead1440: i do not know what those are; has cssu moved repos or something? Mar 15 17:06:15 my own n900 is in 7.2 and i didn't do anything special Mar 15 17:06:35 so its on 7.2 then what's the issue? Mar 15 17:06:44 thedead1440: the one with the python issue isn't mine Mar 15 17:07:01 thedead1440: you know 7.2 was lost in the migration? Mar 15 17:07:08 freemangordon: yup Mar 15 17:07:11 ok Mar 15 17:07:15 hence i said use merlin or skeiron Mar 15 17:07:18 they have 7.2 :D Mar 15 17:07:55 i'm clearly not up-to date here, what are merlin, skeiron and the migration? Mar 15 17:08:05 ~mirrors Mar 15 17:08:06 rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new Mar 15 17:08:26 thanks Mar 15 17:09:30 freemangordon: btw will 7.2 be re-issued or will there be a 7.3 that encompasses 7.2? Mar 15 17:10:28 thedead1440: better ask merlin1991, but I guess he'll re-upload 7.2 first Mar 15 17:10:49 ah Mar 15 17:11:34 i still don't quite understand - am i supposed to change my sourced to get future CSSU updates? Mar 15 17:11:53 BCMM: no, this is just temporary issue Mar 15 17:12:04 should be solved in a couple of days Mar 15 17:12:09 ah ok Mar 15 17:12:34 7.2 is a minor change right, should be nothing to do with this python issue? Mar 15 17:13:23 (i thought maybe this device just wasn't updating any packages, and both issues were symptoms thereof) Mar 15 17:13:35 (before, i mean) Mar 15 17:17:26 python-pysie.qtmaemo5 and python-hildon are both at older versions on the phone with python issues Mar 15 17:18:07 any idea why ham doesn't want to upgrade them? will upgrading them with apt-get kill everything? Mar 15 17:18:39 BCMM: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo7.2 It's a Security update Mar 15 17:19:26 BCMM: what's in the problems tab on HAM Mar 15 17:19:51 sixwheeledbeast: no, i mean there are no updates waiting in ham Mar 15 17:20:32 SO what's the issue the device is on 7.1 and there are no updates? Mar 15 17:20:40 BCMM: ^^^ Mar 15 17:20:59 sixwheeledbeast: the 7.2 issues has been explained above i think; i think it's unconnected Mar 15 17:21:59 BCMM: ok, so have you run the applications from terminal, any output. Mar 15 17:22:24 sixwheeledbeast: the python stuff? they segfault Mar 15 17:23:23 BCMM: yes ok, so which applcations and what versions of python Mar 15 17:23:25 alarmed says "starting alarmed gui" before it segfaults Mar 15 17:23:58 i'm pretty sure the issue is the old pyside and python-hildon packages Mar 15 17:24:11 and i'm trying to work out why ham won't update them Mar 15 17:25:53 Probably because there not in the repo or there in a higher repo. which version? Mar 15 17:26:17 as i said, apt-get does want to upgrade them Mar 15 17:26:32 i'm upgrading them with apt-get now to see what happens Mar 15 17:27:25 well that sorted it... hope it doesn't cause any problems Mar 15 17:32:50 I wonder how many Captchas I've entered today... Mar 15 17:47:07 * GeneralAntilles catches up on Talk fun. Mar 15 19:03:30 hi all, i campletely bricked the n900, it won't turn on anymore, won't flash, is there anything i can do ? Mar 15 19:07:28 is_null: how did you do it? Mar 15 19:09:56 trying to flash it, like i did last time, but it didn't pick up the usb device, so i plugged the device in before starting flasher Mar 15 19:10:00 and it ended failing Mar 15 19:11:11 i thought it was something wrong on my laptop linux os so i rebooted to try again and then i figured that i couldn't turn the phone on again Mar 15 19:11:23 it was charged to max (green light) when i got started Mar 15 19:11:49 i utterly failed today at this Mar 15 19:15:04 hello, Mar 15 19:16:20 is_null: cold flash Mar 15 19:16:34 is_null: after you fix your laptop Mar 15 19:25:11 thanks jacekowski, is there any way i can know my HW revision ? Tried 2101 but it doesn't find it Mar 15 19:27:00 on the sticker there is: 356938/03/130103/0 code 0574384 fcc id ljprx-51 ic 661e-rx51 Mar 15 19:42:48 i should try from a live linux distribution, which can you recommend ? Mar 15 19:43:58 is_null: debian or debian based like ubuntu/mint Mar 15 19:58:55 is_null: it's probably 2101 Mar 15 19:59:23 is_null: is it detected at all when you plug it in (dmesG) Mar 15 20:02:30 is_null: did you write over mtd0? Mar 15 20:10:33 http://www.xtreamermobile.com/joyz/index.html Mar 15 20:14:43 RzR: spam! also android crap Mar 15 21:21:04 evening Mar 15 21:21:59 o? Mar 15 21:22:02 o/ Mar 15 21:22:14 :? Mar 15 21:22:18 :) Mar 15 21:23:01 ;p Mar 15 21:23:20 Just noticed aapo got eglibc with locales working... anyone else excited about possibility of rebasing fremantle on debian? Mar 15 21:23:49 ?? freebasing? Isn't that when you do drugs? ;) Mar 15 21:23:49 or in other words, anyone thinks it can be done? Mar 15 21:23:58 Woody14619: i was about to ask that Mar 15 21:24:07 freemantle is also from aapo Mar 15 21:24:22 Is that like Cordia.. putting maemo/hildon ontop of modern distro? Mar 15 21:24:25 as in term... sounds sweet Mar 15 21:24:34 I think so Mar 15 21:26:03 I hope fremantle on newest kernel/debian is not just a drug induced vision Mar 15 21:26:22 mer is kinda maemo with modern stuff Mar 15 21:26:25 and it turns out Mar 15 21:26:35 fremantle is pretty fucking good wrt power consumption Mar 15 21:26:36 szopin: Everything can be done. And I would really hope this particular thing happens. Mar 15 21:26:39 does it work on N900? Mar 15 21:27:24 MentalistTraceur: You just have to believe in it... :( Mar 15 21:27:42 Sadly similar efforts were there with N800 and... Mar 15 21:28:07 szopin: It takes more be belief. It takes action too... :) Mar 15 21:28:15 kerio: I would imagine that's due to insufficient experience with optimizing the kernel for the N900's particular hardware. (In other words stop crushing my dreams with reality dang it) Mar 15 21:29:35 iirc the omap3 pm, dvfs and such, is in quite dire state in modern kernels Mar 15 21:29:54 Woody14619: I'd love to offer more, but am noob, still hoping the gurus can get together and make it real. All I can offer is testing (or if compile time is a prob I can do some but would need instructions) Mar 15 21:30:33 I'm all for action, but aapo is recently the only one out there coming with ideas and they sound lovely Mar 15 21:30:42 * Woody14619 would be it's more to Nokia closed source blobs with better hardware specific drivers than generic rev-eng drivers. Mar 15 21:31:54 well, the ratio provided by aapo recently is 188 opensource packages in wheezy vs 1800+ having no simple 1:1 relation Mar 15 21:32:08 maemo open source* Mar 15 21:32:42 Don't shoot but I find it easier to just start porting extras one by one to mer. Mar 15 21:33:15 If they are just dl src and make, sure Mar 15 21:33:16 * MentalistTraceur shoots Mar 15 21:33:35 I wanna haz Maemo forever. Mar 15 21:33:56 I'm bit worried with the sailfish craze this is going to be forgotten Mar 15 21:34:21 (and they will most likely have no hwkb device which sucks) Mar 15 21:35:33 Honestly I wouldn't mind Mer either, if Cordia ported the Hildon-Desktop-style UI succesfully to it and it had, as Kerio pointed out, the same power efficiency, etc, as Fremantle. Mar 15 21:35:52 I'd love that Mar 15 21:36:37 But there are some buts (like lousy 3g/gsm sound quality thanks to nokia PA) Mar 15 21:36:58 at least that's what I read recently on tmo Mar 15 21:37:03 Alright, I'm off IRC for now. Mar 15 21:37:11 GN Mar 15 21:37:19 This council meeting drained me. Mar 15 21:37:27 * MentalistTraceur waves. Mar 15 21:37:37 Is there going to be election or not? Mar 15 21:39:45 szopin: You mean of the Board? We're giving the Board a little while to see how they act, before we try to force it on them. If you mean of the Council - yes, soon - it's almost time for us to announce the elections for the next council cycle anyway. Mar 15 21:40:08 Thx Mar 15 21:40:09 what's the point of having board and council? Mar 15 21:40:16 no idea Mar 15 21:40:26 If you can't understand that now.... Mar 15 21:40:27 Just noticed there is drama Mar 15 21:40:35 Can anyone? Mar 15 21:40:37 Then you're not following along. Mar 15 21:40:41 Sigh. Mar 15 21:40:57 I myself would feel better with jim having my vote Mar 15 21:41:04 which he has, but still Mar 15 21:41:11 well, my understanding is that hifo is legal entity created to take over maemo.org assets Mar 15 21:41:23 Read please: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1329185&postcount=37 Mar 15 21:41:26 reinob's call one-man-show is not unsubstantial Mar 15 21:41:33 yes, it is.. Mar 15 21:41:45 It was a one man show, litereally, for 2 days. Mar 15 21:41:45 so, why we can't have board==council Mar 15 21:42:01 exactly Mar 15 21:42:04 Would you prefer Rob be the only person in charge right now? Mar 15 21:42:13 NO Mar 15 21:42:21 If renob had won that argument 6 months ago... that's where we would be right now. Mar 15 21:42:23 I'd rather have him 1/3 Mar 15 21:42:24 no i would prefer that whoever is elected for council is automatically elected for board Mar 15 21:42:44 But not calling who our bosses are now Mar 15 21:42:55 Yes, but if you eliminate one or the other, and make them == now and forerver the same this will happen Mar 15 21:43:00 Please... read the post.. Mar 15 21:43:03 If guys with mandate resigned, let us decide who has it now Mar 15 21:43:19 Satan does Mar 15 21:43:32 that's the issue... the ones with the mandate did not resign. Mar 15 21:43:43 I might've not voted on SD, why would not the resgnees appoint their secretaries? Mar 15 21:43:56 But the only guy left Mar 15 21:44:19 His behaviour with International House of pancakes was weak Mar 15 21:44:22 because to appoint you need 2/3 approval. Mar 15 21:44:56 Well, our bylaws are flawed then as 1/3 has no way to have legitimacy Mar 15 21:45:12 I don't disagree... Mar 15 21:45:24 for those 2 days we had no powers to appoint Mar 15 21:45:42 22:42 < szopin> I'd rather have him 1/3 Mar 15 21:45:50 anything after that? Mar 15 21:46:00 no, not 2 of 3 people 2/3 as in two thirds of the votes must be in favor. Mar 15 21:46:06 quite a bit I'm afraid Mar 15 21:47:11 jacekowski: pm your email will try to paste, using xchat so not sure if it will work Mar 15 21:47:42 i'll wait for logs to update Mar 15 21:48:00 np Mar 15 21:48:47 Still I believe last one standing guy appointing Nokia guys would be a treachery Mar 15 21:49:04 (not saying this is the situation, but feels weak nonetheless) Mar 15 21:49:26 well nokia did a lot for maemo Mar 15 21:49:40 they paid 4k eur/month for hosting at nemein Mar 15 21:49:40 I agree totally Mar 15 21:49:44 or thereabouts Mar 15 21:49:50 they've funded the migration Mar 15 21:50:03 i don't have a problem with them having a say with regards to the future Mar 15 21:50:15 This is still more than they did for symbian I believe Mar 15 21:50:33 to me it looks like nokia still has some plans for maemo Mar 15 21:50:41 ??? Mar 15 21:50:49 Please share your thoughts Mar 15 21:50:58 as in, release maemo/meego device in the future Mar 15 21:51:18 I have a dream... Mar 15 21:51:21 or port maemo/meego to lumia phones Mar 15 21:51:31 but it currently is rebasing maemo back to deb Mar 15 21:51:54 I'd love maemo on 920 Mar 15 21:52:16 but that is far from dream Mar 15 21:52:30 more like drug induced vision Mar 15 21:52:30 not exactly Mar 15 21:52:44 you can probably run linux on it Mar 15 21:52:50 ??? Mar 15 21:53:03 You can flash it with any linux img? Mar 15 21:53:13 theoretically speaking Mar 15 21:53:16 it's still arm Mar 15 21:53:20 and linux works very well on arm Mar 15 21:53:36 Sure, but OIS drivers? Mar 15 21:53:37 driver wise, only touchscreen and gsm will be a problem Mar 15 21:53:53 hmm Mar 15 21:53:57 btw Mar 15 21:53:59 RM-716 = Nokia N9 developed for the United States market, based on Qualcomm Snapdragon S2. Contained the same hardware as the Nokia Lumia 800. Mar 15 21:54:07 so honestly, i don't see why not Mar 15 21:54:24 do you see how to? Mar 15 21:54:37 * RST38h salivates Mar 15 21:54:43 maemo on 920 would rock Mar 15 21:54:53 well, booting linux on it would be pretty easy, getting touch input working and telephony stuff not so much Mar 15 21:55:11 ok, I'll bite Mar 15 21:55:13 people managed to port android to iCrap Mar 15 21:55:23 how do you boot linux on 920? Mar 15 21:55:54 i would start by downloading original firmware image Mar 15 21:56:03 building kernel for the hardware Mar 15 21:56:06 and then flash it Mar 15 21:56:20 Is any of those steps possible? Mar 15 21:56:27 yes Mar 15 21:56:33 pls tell more Mar 15 21:57:24 unfortunatelly, it isn't easy to get from running linux kernel to having usable device with working userland Mar 15 21:57:44 cpu patches might end up there, but win drivers are a hard block no? Mar 15 21:58:13 well, not that hard, people managed to reverse iphone hardware well enough to run android on it Mar 15 21:58:24 jaceowski: why not? you boot it into bash and accept calls in emacs! Mar 15 21:58:34 * RST38h has seen one specimen like that Mar 15 21:58:46 well, for some people emacs is acceptable userland Mar 15 21:58:47 hmm... did anyone try the x86 phones? Mar 15 21:58:54 but i would prefer X myself Mar 15 21:58:59 there were a couple Mar 15 21:59:04 ok, you boot into X and run emacs there! Mar 15 21:59:08 under twm Mar 15 21:59:13 in theory you could just put debian on them Mar 15 21:59:21 do not forget to sharpen your fingers, those twm window frames are tiny Mar 15 21:59:44 szopin: i'm afraid that you may have to carry extra 5 batteries with you for that Mar 15 21:59:50 window frames? get a shell running and we're home Mar 15 21:59:59 linux: emacs edition Mar 15 22:00:01 wait, let me google a bit Mar 15 22:00:01 x86 phone sounds like power hog Mar 15 22:00:01 szopin: looks and feels like a regular Android 2.x phone Mar 15 22:00:11 but at least t x86 phones were produced Mar 15 22:00:13 your init is emacs, your shell is emacs, your terminal is emacs, your window manager is emacs, your userland is emacs Mar 15 22:00:14 szopin: kind of ugly and outdated, but not terminally so Mar 15 22:00:15 one with android Mar 15 22:00:18 but you get a free hand warmer with every x86 phone Mar 15 22:00:31 at least two* Mar 15 22:00:34 szopin: it does warm up, no, it does not burn your fingers Mar 15 22:00:38 Bad thing with x86 phones is they don't have desktop graphics Mar 15 22:00:51 So can't just install debian on them Mar 15 22:00:57 Price for an Intel-based ZTE phone in Russia was like $500, and it ran Android 2.x Mar 15 22:01:01 still need blob drivers Mar 15 22:01:11 So, you can probably imagine the level of enthusiasm Mar 15 22:01:27 but x86 so you could run anything on it without worrying about arm recompilation Mar 15 22:01:37 run what on it? Mar 15 22:01:45 every android package iscompiled for arm Mar 15 22:01:47 even if they lasted 4h Mar 15 22:01:54 RST38h: android packages are dalvik Mar 15 22:02:03 RST38h: platform independed Mar 15 22:02:08 independent* Mar 15 22:02:09 android has i386 version of repo like maemo I believe Mar 15 22:02:13 jacekowski: ok, every android package containing native code is compiled for arm Mar 15 22:02:13 except for those with native code Mar 15 22:02:28 which are the only interesting ones to be honest Mar 15 22:03:06 is there some working japanese ime for n900? Mar 15 22:03:14 is it possible to get x86 maemo running on one of those? Mar 15 22:03:23 would be interesting to have an ARM tablet with a slave x86 processor Mar 15 22:03:31 szopin: No point Mar 15 22:03:39 a lot of points Mar 15 22:03:43 ds3: also no point Mar 15 22:03:53 have another platform to continue Mar 15 22:03:59 continue what? Mar 15 22:04:02 RST38h: why would you argue that? Mar 15 22:04:07 development Mar 15 22:04:21 what development?there is no x86-based native development for android Mar 15 22:04:35 there has to be Mar 15 22:04:38 the x86 slave would be for running legacy apps Mar 15 22:04:45 ds3: Modern ARMs handle things just fine Mar 15 22:04:47 or else x86 android phone would be nonexistant Mar 15 22:04:52 yet it does exist Mar 15 22:04:57 ds3: There are nolegacy x86 apps for Android Mar 15 22:05:04 RST38h: you mean emulation of x86? Mar 15 22:05:15 The thing is soon batteries will make arm/x86 distinction irrelevant Mar 15 22:05:18 ds3: I mean that there is no place for x86 on Android Mar 15 22:05:25 not Android apps... just legacy x86 apps...say DOS based..a faster, lower power version of dosbox Mar 15 22:05:31 there is x86 android Mar 15 22:05:36 ds3: If you think there is a place, you should provide a bit better argument than "run MSDOS" Mar 15 22:05:49 Android lacks useful apps. Mar 15 22:05:54 Because nobody needs to run MSDOS any more Mar 15 22:05:55 indeed Mar 15 22:06:04 to make an Android device useable, you have to shoe horn in a real Linux userland Mar 15 22:06:15 and that requires x86 why? Mar 15 22:06:30 @;2R#$@!#$@$#@!$!#@ binary only apps Mar 15 22:06:32 they cherish the fact that for music dev they use 20 apps! Yay, we have 20 apps, does anyone using x86 need to run 20 slimware apps? Mar 15 22:06:43 No, they use 2-3 full featured apps Mar 15 22:06:43 ds3: what binary only apps? name a few Mar 15 22:07:05 Which is going to kill arm as soon as batteries allow x86 code execution for 24( a day Mar 15 22:07:09 let see... Mar 15 22:07:15 the few CAD ports to Linux for one Mar 15 22:07:33 And you want to run commercial binary-only Linux CAD on your Android phone? Mar 15 22:07:35 windows apps via Wine is another entire class Mar 15 22:07:41 yes.. as a viewer mostly Mar 15 22:07:46 wine on arm is bs Mar 15 22:07:46 You do understand that phone x86s are kinda weak? Mar 15 22:07:47 RST38h, there's a big point IMO. If we get intel graphics it's just a pc in the pocket, do whatever you want with it, not struggling with a bunch of undocumented, non-free blobs Mar 15 22:07:48 i.e. eagle Mar 15 22:08:09 qwazix: You really WANT IGD? Mar 15 22:08:11 qemu would be great, but only cmd line text only apps run Mar 15 22:08:13 the goal is not to run it fast. the goal is to be able to look at documents when you are on the move Mar 15 22:08:28 qwazix: Are you aware that many Intel SoCs use PowerVR for graphics? ;) Mar 15 22:08:44 and weak is relative Mar 15 22:09:00 x86 phones are at the least faster then any 286 PC systems for example Mar 15 22:09:03 Anyway, gentlemen, continue coming up with good ideas Mar 15 22:09:08 RST38h, I'm sitting right now on a i915 3~4yo laptop and linux graphics performance is better than my ati 4870 desktop Mar 15 22:09:09 faster then a 386SX system if you insist on Linux as a base line Mar 15 22:09:21 the point of a slave x86 there is it can be frozen/shutdown when not needed Mar 15 22:09:36 (I suppose due to drivers, what else can it be) Mar 15 22:09:38 * RST38h weeps Mar 15 22:09:53 If you only knew... Mar 15 22:09:56 regarding powervr that's why I said *if* we get intel graphics Mar 15 22:10:06 MS aims for exactly that, android market is impressive with fart apps. Once tech gets to support x86 apps, who's going to remember their "remove red color from eyes" app when you can use full photoshop Mar 15 22:10:22 RST38h, what is that I should know? Mar 15 22:12:58 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/127347-going-xolo-x900-intels-first-x86-medfield-smartphone-reviewed Mar 15 22:13:22 any success with the autobuilder ? :) Mar 15 22:13:46 As long as android/iOS market is going to provide half-assed apps (forever even with octo-core) win is going to have a comeback Mar 15 22:14:02 and linux while we're at it Mar 15 22:14:44 M4rtinK: should work Mar 15 22:15:59 DocScrutinizer05: SSH or Web interface ? Mar 15 22:16:12 dunno Mar 15 22:16:42 DocScrutinizer05: still getting key error on SSH Mar 15 22:16:52 umm, that's fixable Mar 15 22:16:52 will try Web next Mar 15 22:17:22 usually users add the machine@domain ending to their ssh key Mar 15 22:17:38 (I was getting that key error even before migration when others reported it was working for them) Mar 15 22:17:43 which breaks stuff for sftp iirc Mar 15 22:17:51 I've checked for that :) Mar 15 22:18:15 I had same problem back when. x-fade fixed it Mar 15 22:19:19 I heard same problem reports from many other users Mar 15 22:19:31 so a stuck key ? Mar 15 22:19:50 must depend on type of key, or on the way it gets entered first time Mar 15 22:20:21 yeah, if it gets broken if you depend a wrong key first time Mar 15 22:20:30 anyway, afaik it's a very standard unix account, and sysops can fix it for users Mar 15 22:20:31 that would be possible Mar 15 22:20:48 not sure anymore what I've entered first Mar 15 22:20:57 so who should I ping about it ? Mar 15 22:20:58 mompls Mar 15 22:21:05 what's your username? Mar 15 22:21:43 Login Name: martink Mar 15 22:21:54 is that it ? Mar 15 22:24:17 hunter2 Mar 15 22:25:10 M4rtinK: see /query Mar 15 22:58:32 aap: please tell if you need testers, compilers, whatevs. Freemantle is the goal Mar 15 23:02:10 btw did anyone try latestg eglibc with marmistrz's developments? Mar 15 23:03:03 assuming all (with locale) is working some harmattan only apps could work without crying libglibc incompatibility Mar 15 23:09:56 AapoRantalainen: garbage collectors are important Mar 15 23:18:36 I hope AapoRantalainen is going to join us very soon, he's definitely here with his heart Mar 15 23:19:06 ping: M4rtinK Mar 15 23:19:38 sixwheeledbeast: yep ? :) Mar 15 23:19:45 autobuilder? Mar 15 23:19:54 yeah Mar 15 23:20:16 you got it working, web or scp? Mar 15 23:20:26 scp Mar 15 23:20:29 scp key error for me Mar 15 23:20:39 web then Mar 15 23:20:48 web interface seems to just swallow packages without trace Mar 15 23:20:49 nothing on web Mar 15 23:21:02 scp?? Mar 15 23:21:03 and I'm trying to debug the key error with Doc right now Mar 15 23:21:06 M4rtinK: agreed Mar 15 23:21:15 kk cool Mar 15 23:21:27 but no luck so far :) Mar 15 23:21:31 oh Mar 15 23:23:05 would web rebuilt make sense? Mar 15 23:23:57 what do you mean ? Mar 15 23:23:58 szopin: eh? Mar 15 23:24:26 web swallows without trave - end quote Mar 15 23:24:41 v*c Mar 15 23:25:05 web iface is broken due to new python was assume - reported 6 months ago Mar 15 23:25:18 python? Mar 15 23:25:27 s/was/I/ Mar 15 23:25:27 sixwheeledbeast meant: web iface is broken due to new python I assume - reported 6 months ago Mar 15 23:25:29 what has it go to do with it??? Mar 15 23:26:35 szopin: script to run builder Mar 15 23:26:38 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293858&postcount=17 Mar 15 23:27:18 You mean like deb to build debs? Already done in maemo :D Mar 15 23:27:37 We have everything needed Mar 15 23:27:55 Maemo is fully full really full distro Mar 15 23:28:12 just check the number of *-dev, crazy Mar 15 23:31:23 pali has record in drop://etc/passwd, sixwheeledbeast and M4rtinK have none Mar 15 23:32:33 errrr, drop==vcs Mar 15 23:32:44 if that helps for anything Mar 15 23:33:13 while drop!=garage Mar 15 23:33:41 DocScrutinizer05: what about ade and Marxian? Mar 15 23:33:58 user account names? Mar 15 23:34:20 adek and marxian me thinks Mar 15 23:34:55 adek ack Mar 15 23:35:09 marxian ack Mar 15 23:35:48 mmm they both can upload no probs Mar 15 23:36:29 sorry guys I got nfc how user accounts get created on drop/vcs Mar 15 23:36:55 total 108 Mar 15 23:36:56 drwxr-xr-x 8 pali users 4096 Mar 12 23:12 ./ Mar 15 23:36:58 drwxr-xr-x 3156 www-data rambo 69632 Mar 14 21:30 ../ Mar 15 23:36:59 -rw------- 1 pali rambo 259 Mar 12 23:13 .bash_history Mar 15 23:37:01 drwx------ 3 pali rambo 4096 Mar 12 23:11 .cache/ Mar 15 23:37:02 drwx------ 3 pali rambo 4096 Mar 12 23:11 .config/ Mar 15 23:37:04 drwx------ 3 pali rambo 4096 Mar 12 23:11 .local/ Mar 15 23:37:05 drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Mar 31 2010 private/ Mar 15 23:37:07 drwx------ 2 pali users 4096 May 14 2010 .ssh/ Mar 15 23:37:08 drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Mar 31 2010 www/ Mar 15 23:37:10 -rw------- 1 pali gforge 59 Jan 24 13:13 .Xauthority Mar 15 23:37:11 . Mar 15 23:37:13 o.O Mar 15 23:37:46 there's quite obviously more to it than a simple useradd Mar 15 23:38:52 pali:x:1701:1004::/var/www/homedirs/users/p/pali:/usr/local/bin/svngitsh.pl Mar 15 23:39:09 if that give someone thoughts Mar 15 23:39:25 particularly svngitsh.pl Mar 15 23:39:27 does it work for pali BTW ? Mar 15 23:39:39 I think it does Mar 15 23:39:58 he uploaded KP Mar 15 23:40:03 OK Mar 15 23:40:33 I never created a git account on maemo Mar 15 23:41:19 maybe there's ajob called by rambo doing all that foo for garage, vcs, whatnot else Mar 15 23:41:35 when your application as developer gets accepted Mar 15 23:42:21 IIRC there indeed was some delay between registering Mar 15 23:42:27 and actually getting the account Mar 15 23:42:47 yep 24-48 hours IIRC Mar 15 23:42:50 yes Mar 15 23:42:51 sure Mar 15 23:43:14 sorry guys I'm out. I'm admin coordinator, not garage admin. Lack of knowhow Mar 15 23:43:30 I'll ask rambo how nemein did it, tomorrow Mar 15 23:43:40 k, np, thanks for trying. Mar 15 23:43:47 sure thing Mar 15 23:44:05 thanks ! :) Mar 15 23:44:14 at least we know the culprit now Mar 15 23:44:15 I'm just glade things are moving :) Mar 15 23:44:17 yep Mar 15 23:56:18 please check http://vcs.maemo.org/homedirs/users/ if you got a proper account (or at least a homedir) on vcs/drop or not Mar 15 23:56:58 http://vcs.maemo.org/homedirs/users/p/pali/ Mar 16 00:01:19 what been the recommended SOP to ask for a developer account on maemo? Mar 16 00:01:45 wasn't there a web frontend or sth? Mar 16 00:02:20 M4rtinK: ^^^ Mar 16 00:02:32 sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ Mar 16 00:02:48 https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request Mar 16 00:02:54 ta Mar 16 00:03:02 was looking for page ;) Mar 16 00:03:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel Mar 16 00:04:02 yep, garagre. As expected Mar 16 00:05:21 I have a homedir and so does "martink" Mar 16 00:05:36 [x] "I am a spammer" Mar 16 00:05:39 LOL Mar 16 00:06:02 theheck Mar 16 00:12:16 now you got even a very unique homedir ;-) Mar 16 00:13:01 beats me how you can have a homedir but no record in passwd Mar 16 00:14:45 "greeting from your ..." lol Mar 16 00:14:45 but hey, maybe you don't even need a record in etc/passwd? Mar 16 00:15:20 but all that can upload seem to have one, no? Mar 16 00:16:27 -rw------- 1 11063 users 448 Mar 16 00:15 authorized_keys2 Mar 16 00:16:28 root@vcs:/var/www/homedirs/users/m/martink/.ssh# Mar 16 00:16:38 yep Mar 16 00:16:51 I guess sshd isn't happy without Mar 16 00:17:23 guess what? I brute force create an entry for you now Mar 16 00:22:37 ntp:x:105:108::/home/ntp:/bin/false Mar 16 00:22:38 sixwheeledbeast:x:30404:1004:,,,:/var/www/homedirs/users/s/sixwheeledbeast:/usr/local/bin/svngitsh.pl Mar 16 00:22:40 (END) Mar 16 00:22:47 retry please! Mar 16 00:23:43 Permission denied (publickey). Mar 16 00:23:43 lost connection Mar 16 00:23:59 do I need a new key? Mar 16 00:24:00 sixwheeledbeast: also make a fat huge postit-note saying "joerg hacked etc/passwd on vcs!" Mar 16 00:27:05 sixwheeledbeast: sorry, user numID not matching Mar 16 00:27:20 k Mar 16 00:27:24 mompls Mar 16 00:27:40 -rw------- 1 11430 users 448 Mar 16 00:15 authorized_keys2 Mar 16 00:27:56 sixwheeledbeast:x:30404:1004: Mar 16 00:28:25 * DocScrutinizer05 now wonders who will be user 11430 in passwd Mar 16 00:29:50 sixwheeledbeast:x:11430:1004:,,,:/var/www/homedirs/users/s/sixwheeledbeast:/usr/local/bin/svngitsh.pl Mar 16 00:30:00 retry please! Mar 16 00:30:27 :) Mar 16 00:30:35 I think it worked Mar 16 00:30:43 ;-) Mar 16 00:30:54 nothing can withstand brute force Mar 16 00:31:27 a few perl warnings Mar 16 00:32:39 can't set locale, please check locale Mar 16 00:33:25 M4rtinK: ^^^ :) Mar 16 00:33:56 martink:x:11063:1004:,,,:/var/www/homedirs/users/m/martink:/usr/local/bin/svngitsh.pl Mar 16 00:34:17 nice ! I'll try it out Mar 16 00:35:03 seen the "can't set locale, please check locale" in succeding builds as well Mar 16 00:35:47 DocScrutinizer05: is it a problme? Mar 16 00:36:00 \_o_/ Mar 16 00:36:11 s/problme?/problem?/ Mar 16 00:36:13 sixwheeledbeast meant: DocScrutinizer05: is it a problem? Mar 16 00:36:27 is it? Mar 16 00:37:16 * sixwheeledbeast shrugs Mar 16 00:40:28 * sixwheeledbeast stares at the builder queue in hope Mar 16 00:49:19 builder gets started once per hour, or so Mar 16 00:51:00 ok, thanks all lot Joerg. Mar 16 00:51:12 alot* Mar 16 00:52:39 will check it out in the morning Mar 16 00:55:00 gn Mar 16 00:56:21 night sixwheeledbeast Mar 16 00:56:42 :) thanks again Mar 16 00:58:00 [2013-03-15 18:17:10] anyways Mar 16 00:58:02 [2013-03-15 18:17:13] time go finish crons Mar 16 00:58:03 [2013-03-15 20:15:33] starting cron on www Mar 16 01:23:48 DocScrutinizer05, sorry for bothering - I have unusual question, what does *not* work re maemo infra? Mar 16 01:24:11 I think we hit time, that it is easier to list what does not work (less), than what does work (morej :) Mar 16 01:24:24 s/(morej/more/ Mar 16 01:24:24 Estel_ meant: I think we hit time, that it is easier to list what does not work (less), than what does work more :) Mar 16 01:24:45 (more) even Mar 16 01:26:12 login on maemo.org/* is broken Mar 16 01:27:07 user history on wiki is defect Mar 16 01:27:22 karma doesn't calculate correctly Mar 16 01:35:22 + no latest cssu in new repos as opposed to mirrors, but that is not infra problem. That pretty sums it up? Mar 16 01:35:42 what about karma re upcoming council election? Mar 16 01:36:11 i.e. any plans, eta, or we just count on someone from nemein? Mar 16 01:37:45 jacekowski, szopin, exact same question (why we need two bodies). I don't buy Woody14619's explanation, IMO without at least head of tech staff being part of Board (to have impact on decisions from someone knowledgeable, but also to share legal consequences), we will always have powerz wars Mar 16 01:38:44 Having Council becoming automagically board could work too, but even having one (technical) representant from Vouncil in board should help a lot Mar 16 01:38:59 IMHO, of course, with mark on "Humble" Mar 16 01:42:21 hm, so I think it's time to switch from mirrors to repos, except for CSSU... *fanfares* **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 16 02:59:58 2013