**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 17 02:59:59 2013 Mar 17 03:00:03 Does someone have any informations about 'https://garage.maemo.org/builder/' ??? Mar 17 03:00:30 It is a pain trying to build something since migration ... Mar 17 03:00:41 Any help we can provide ? Mar 17 03:04:34 Creteil: please elaborate Mar 17 03:07:04 DocScrutinizer05, For example : Mar 17 03:07:05 - I do not receive mail anymore with status 'OK' or 'FAILED' since migration. Mar 17 03:07:07 - Also actually I can't access anymore : https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0/ Mar 17 03:08:07 migration happened 2 days ago, since yesterday we're looking into fixing builder Mar 17 03:09:35 What can I do to help ? Mar 17 03:13:31 linger on here and listen what's getting done, test builder and report here, preferably to jacekowski Mar 17 03:14:40 read chanlog of this afternoon (~12..15h ago, particularly posts by jacekowski) Mar 17 03:15:01 Does jacekowski is up or does he sleep right now ? Mar 17 03:15:21 also posts by sixwheeledbeast and m4rtink Mar 17 03:15:34 he probably sleeps right now Mar 17 03:16:38 but generally builder should work since ~2 days Mar 17 03:17:04 at least for some users and some methods of upload, witha bit of luck Mar 17 03:17:11 By 'What can I do to help ?' I mean maybe I can help on the box managing the 'auto-builder', since I have some experience in systems management ... Mar 17 03:17:25 oooh Mar 17 03:17:50 we'd need experience with midgard and with autobuilder Mar 17 03:18:47 both are basically opensource Mar 17 03:19:18 and jacekowski built his own local autobuilder some years ago, so he knows a bit about ours Mar 17 03:19:36 ok Mar 17 03:20:38 if you feel you would like to accept a maintainer role and responsibility for parts of maemo.org infra, talk to me Mar 17 03:21:56 In open source, even you didn't have experience of a dedicated subject (midgard & autobuilder), sometime, just login on system, and just looking everywhere, you can help to find things ... Mar 17 03:21:57 we're a small but smart team right now, and would welcome additional manpower Mar 17 03:22:21 Creteil: alas i'm not allowed to grant such access Mar 17 03:22:44 maemo.org is not exactly public domain Mar 17 03:23:46 HiFo appointed me to grant access only to those guys that got accepted by both council and HiFo BoD Mar 17 03:24:03 we have assets to protect for 40000 users Mar 17 03:25:55 DocScrutinizer05, I have no problems with this rules, I gonna wait some more days to be able to push new/updated packages ... Mar 17 03:29:00 DocScrutinizer05, does http://midgard-project.org/ is related ? Mar 17 03:31:23 DocScrutinizer05, Just forget, I have the answer ... http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_and_midgard_go_well_together/ Mar 17 03:48:23 My last build of movgrab FAILED because of dependencies not satisfied on the autobuilder box ... Mar 17 03:48:58 This is what I remind, because even the log cannot be accessed actually ... Mar 17 03:50:05 yes it can Mar 17 03:50:43 jacekowski, ??? Mar 17 03:51:09 I'm trying to access https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0/ but I can't ... Mar 17 03:51:11 hmm Mar 17 03:51:13 wait a second Mar 17 03:53:47 it looks like a repository VM went down again Mar 17 03:54:33 Any clue about why the VM goes down ? Mar 17 03:55:59 XEN Mar 17 03:56:21 VM is still running but xen disconnects the network Mar 17 03:56:23 jacekowski: ohnoes Mar 17 03:56:25 Leave ZEN with XEN :-) Mar 17 03:57:04 jacekowski: I'll give machine a reboot, ok? Mar 17 03:57:13 yeah Mar 17 03:57:33 just check if it's the same thing as last tiem Mar 17 03:57:35 time* Mar 17 03:57:53 too late Mar 17 03:58:01 :-) Mar 17 03:58:01 already triggered reboot Mar 17 03:58:27 Wasn't these box are supervised in terms of connectivity ? Mar 17 03:58:56 yes, but mail to *me* fails due to err, spamfiltering Mar 17 03:59:14 Lol Mar 17 04:00:58 How long does it take to resurrect from a reboot approx ? Mar 17 04:02:23 Also, maybe a Nagios where we put all servers to survey can be a good start to be in touch with the architecture health ... Mar 17 04:03:46 we have icinga Mar 17 04:04:26 Ok Mar 17 04:10:57 Hm, I've restored backup on tht 2nd device and everything went back to normal and works like a charm... EXCEPT for advanced-interface-switcher Mar 17 04:11:05 it just disappeared from hildon-status-menu Mar 17 04:11:29 tried --reinstall, tried killing hildon-status-menu, tried purging advisw and all it's dependencies... Mar 17 04:11:32 reinstalling Mar 17 04:11:50 still no luck. Every other status menu applet works like charm. Mar 17 04:12:04 advisw works when I call it manually via it's scripts Mar 17 04:12:17 just no fuckin applet in menu Mar 17 04:12:24 wtf I ask, wtf? Mar 17 04:13:18 Estel_, ??? Mar 17 04:13:33 yea, quite my reaction, too Mar 17 04:15:29 Estel_: imagine you are having so much problems restoring; what would happen to $user if he ran into troubles Mar 17 04:15:33 Estel_, no, I mean what are you talking about, because here I'm talking since 4am about autobuilder was down, and then you come and look like you talk about probably your N900 device troubles ... ;-) Mar 17 04:15:59 Creteil, se irc logs from todays evening Mar 17 04:16:04 thedead1440, yea Mar 17 04:16:12 :-) Mar 17 04:16:19 I just wanted to avoid vanilla reflash and installing from scratch to save time Mar 17 04:16:27 it seems, that it would be faster, ffs Mar 17 04:17:17 my optfs backup was borked somehow - all things got backuped except for basic maemo graphics, so I had desktops and icons but no buttons and pink status menu background... Mar 17 04:17:23 restored from ages old optfs Mar 17 04:17:37 that I'm sure had nothing removed after, just things add Mar 17 04:17:52 over-extracted that "lackingn optfs backup over it Mar 17 04:18:11 every single bit works like charm, except for advisw, which anyway, reside on root, LOL! Mar 17 04:18:51 even freakin brightness applet works, just no advisw, trying to purge hildon-status-menu and it's dependencies, now... Mar 17 04:19:14 me wanna apt-get install --reinstall --purge $EVERYTHING command Mar 17 04:20:40 Estel_: if you could once everything is resolved document maybe on a thread on TMO your problems and solutions; it may help people who are advised always to flash even though there are ways to manually fix things up and also show not only $users get into shit situations but even the greatest find themselves in shit at times :D Mar 17 04:24:16 sure, as I'm one of greaest ;) Mar 17 04:24:19 anyway, why not... Mar 17 04:24:35 for sure I will document case with optification and pre/post/inst scripts Mar 17 04:24:54 as it seems to ocassionaly confuse other users to oblivion, too Mar 17 04:25:02 yup; thanks! Mar 17 04:25:14 I would love to document how my kernel got restored to omap1 on this device yesterday... Mar 17 04:25:21 but I have no freakin idea Mar 17 04:25:49 hehe maybe a thread "Estel and his adventures" :p Mar 17 04:25:58 as it was clearly due to accidentally dpkg -i kernel-power packages, but nowhere in the code is anything that could d that omap1 isn't even backuped anywhere Mar 17 04:26:00 yea Mar 17 04:26:04 voodo programming Mar 17 04:26:23 and to add icing on the top, today usb port started to move and break connection on this device Mar 17 04:26:34 perfect Mar 17 04:26:52 after week of using it (device), just while my soldering iron is out of service for a week (or it would be soldered down already, before problems) Mar 17 04:26:52 it can't go wrong further (or can it?) so it becomes the ultimate guide :D Mar 17 04:27:00 :P Mar 17 04:27:29 it reminds me that I might need to invest time reading 0xFFFF, as I may be not able to flash from pc soon ;) Mar 17 04:27:37 or I'm not already without knowing it Mar 17 04:28:25 or I'm not already without knowing it Mar 17 04:28:33 (it's not my main device with such adventures) Mar 17 04:28:40 worst part - device need to be ready till tomorrow evening, as it goes with my son for week long trip and voip is predefined there for contact Mar 17 04:29:08 maybe I will put it into kitchen oven for reflow, that would be a guide Mar 17 04:29:36 ah Mar 17 04:30:55 just raped hildon-status-menu and it's dependencies, alongside few cssu packages, time for reboot and reinstalling them... Mar 17 04:31:07 lol Mar 17 04:31:32 I could imagine $SOMESHIT conflicting from my old opt and actual opt, but I can't get why such thing lives through purging advisw and reinstalling it Mar 17 04:32:02 it's strange and unlikely, but maybe somewhere deeper smth is screwd - although, other status menu applets works just fine Mar 17 04:34:06 Creteil: sorry, repo is down again. xen problems Mar 17 04:38:35 ugh, device lived through getting rid of hildon-status-menu and friends, but purging status-area-applet-battery and clock-ui made it reboot instantly Mar 17 04:38:44 love how maemo prioritizes critical packages Mar 17 04:46:20 yea, bootloop! Mar 17 04:46:33 it seems that deinstalling battery applet was critical mistake Mar 17 04:47:13 it shutdowns just after I input lock code Mar 17 04:47:15 lovely Mar 17 04:47:32 boot it with rd-mode enabled? Mar 17 04:49:00 i think flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset should allow it to bootup Mar 17 04:49:02 DocScrutinizer05, look like you also need a XEN skilled guy ... Mar 17 04:49:26 we got at least one, but yes Mar 17 04:50:17 last bug we ironed out, basically we contributed the patch to xen upstream Mar 17 04:50:45 thedead1440, no usb, remember? ;) anyway, it looks like something shut it down thinking that it don't have power in battery? It had bme replacement, maybe it's allergic to touching applet Mar 17 04:51:19 Estel_: hehe; maybe its allergic to you :p Mar 17 04:52:07 ;) Mar 17 04:52:22 Creteil: if you're such experienced xen expert, please don't hesitate to /query me and negotiate details. As already mentioned we're still looking for new members for our team Mar 17 04:52:43 __|_ it, I'm reverting from backupmenu backup again Mar 17 04:52:55 lol Mar 17 04:53:40 ...which of course means doing it via terminal, as, for some reason, backupmenu doesn't like that sd card Mar 17 04:53:40 is that the ring finger Estel_? Just like school-kids getting around the ban from using the middle finger :p :D Mar 17 04:53:51 and doesn't want to mount it, as it is /dev/mmcblk1 Mar 17 04:54:01 and backupmenu expects /dev/mmcblk1p1 Mar 17 04:54:18 oh can't backupmenu's scripts allow you to change it? Mar 17 04:54:41 nope, need to get into recovery shell Mar 17 04:54:52 ah Mar 17 04:55:47 and don't say "ban" in DocScrutinizer05 victinity, I'm sure he now reads through chanlogs... Mar 17 04:55:58 ...to see how you got offended :P Mar 17 04:56:09 wtf lol Mar 17 04:56:19 especially, estel and ban in one sentence may work like red carpet for him Mar 17 04:56:21 ;) Mar 17 04:56:38 see my school-kids analogy was apt ;) Mar 17 04:57:35 DocScrutinizer05, I'm using vmWare on our side ... Mar 17 04:57:56 DocScrutinizer05, what is the brand XEN running on ? Mar 17 04:57:58 ;) he shouldn't be able to see it, as he presumably put ignore on my nick Mar 17 04:58:11 if he is now scavenging through chanlog anyway, it is his own fault :P Mar 17 04:58:34 yeah, we'd be better off with vmWare or any other virtualization, but for hysteric raisins we had to go for xen first step of our migration#2 Mar 17 04:58:58 see? a serious, responsible, technical man Mar 17 04:59:04 Creteil: please rephrase your last post Mar 17 04:59:21 DocScrutinizer05, What hardware XEN running on ? HP, IBM (IBM blade ???) Mar 17 04:59:24 it's lovely, when he ignores me - all that demonic madness goes away from his virtual x-eyes Mar 17 04:59:53 Creteil: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure Mar 17 05:00:04 it has a whole wealth of info Mar 17 05:00:21 incl pointer to supermicro server Mar 17 05:00:56 with 4 blades, of which 2 are populated right now Mar 17 05:01:21 DocScrutinizer05, any other channel we can talk about infra ? Mar 17 05:01:35 oho, troubles ahead Mar 17 05:10:00 oh, sure Mar 17 05:10:20 After so many hours debugging it I just mixed gtar -x with gtar -c Mar 17 05:10:27 replacing my backup :P Mar 17 05:10:41 good that I have backup of backup of backup of backup file with backup Mar 17 06:43:01 >>for a defamation it's irrelevant if/that it is a lie. It's just sufficient to tell it constantly and frequently to make the masses believe in it<< Mar 17 06:44:53 all in line with Woody14619's fundamental codex of fighting such defamation each single time it gets told. If only he wouldn't fall for similar telling incorrect statements about me... Mar 17 07:12:40 kerio: thanks man. finally found that trick to 'skip' connecting to dummy network, etc Mar 17 07:12:43 :-) Mar 17 08:23:53 Sicelo: yay Mar 17 10:11:36 lol, closing FF to free up 1.2GB(!) of RAM Mar 17 10:14:13 why would you run other programs, anyway? Mar 17 10:14:18 firefox does everything you need! Mar 17 10:14:26 give him all your ram! Mar 17 10:14:34 ack Mar 17 10:15:02 this is something i quite like about java programs, in fact Mar 17 10:15:13 you can (must?) specify hard limits for ram usage Mar 17 10:15:44 sounds like MacOS Mar 17 10:16:09 * Macer is still an opera fan Mar 17 10:16:20 DocScrutinizer05: you mean classic? Mar 17 10:16:21 although opera is supposed to swap over to wk Mar 17 10:16:30 so it will be just another webkit browser :) no more presto Mar 17 10:16:47 what a shame. it's like when apple gave up on ppc Mar 17 10:18:35 it's not that apple "gave up" on ppc Mar 17 10:18:46 * DocScrutinizer05 gives maemo.org the finger and heads out for some walk in the sun. 58h of shock and awe are enough Mar 17 10:19:01 what's wrong with maemo.org? Mar 17 10:19:03 when something goes down - DON'T RINg ME! Mar 17 10:19:09 finally! Mar 17 10:19:19 it's just that apparently nobody was able to make a dualcore G5 that didn't burn a hole in your pants because of heat Mar 17 10:19:40 doesn't ibm still use ppc? Mar 17 10:20:08 x86 seems to burn a hole in your pants too without a ridiculous array of heatsinking and fans :) Mar 17 10:20:18 i'm still a bit shocked the world hasn't started using arm based laptops Mar 17 10:20:31 no windows for ARM Mar 17 10:20:38 well... windows RT nowadays Mar 17 10:20:47 and moving to a different architecture is only possible if you can recompile the source :) Mar 17 10:20:48 not sure how well that works tho.. never tried it Mar 17 10:23:11 Macer: what's wrong? ? ???? watch e.g. http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?c=maemo&h=garage&v=343.81&m=load_one&r=hour&z=default&jr=&js=&st=1363504816&vl=%20&ti=One%20Minute%20Load%20Average&z=large http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www& Mar 17 10:23:39 DocScrutinizer05: you said you are leaving Mar 17 10:24:01 can someone (anyone) kick Doc out for his own sanity Mar 17 10:27:37 is this supposed to be moving or something? Mar 17 10:27:37 heh Mar 17 10:28:44 what's with that load avg in the middle ? lol Mar 17 10:29:25 http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph.php?r=day&z=xlarge&c=maemo&h=garage&v=343.81&m=load_one&jr=&js=&vl=+&ti=One+Minute+Load+Average Mar 17 10:29:39 that sure doesn't seem normal.. i sure hope the y axis isn't seconds Mar 17 10:30:31 load is load Mar 17 10:30:47 you usually have loads <1 Mar 17 10:30:53 ouch Mar 17 10:31:00 you had a 500 load ? :) Mar 17 10:31:01 yep Mar 17 10:31:17 well... 425 or so Mar 17 10:31:27 well... i'm sure that slowed things down to a crawl Mar 17 10:31:31 any idea what caused it? Mar 17 10:31:35 broken build bot? :) Mar 17 10:31:50 * DocScrutinizer05 makes some strange noise Mar 17 10:32:02 probably the same noise the server made Mar 17 10:32:05 heh Mar 17 10:32:28 that sure is a steady trend too Mar 17 10:33:01 look at the brighter side... it stopped doing it for a while :) Mar 17 10:33:16 maybe someone is superseeding 5000 torrents from your box haha Mar 17 10:34:36 http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&m=load_one&s=by+name&c=maemo&h=&host_regex=&max_graphs=0&tab=m&vn=&sh=2&z=small&hc=4 Mar 17 10:34:40 can I flash maemo/meego on any current cellular . like nexus4? Mar 17 10:34:55 2. when will joola release their phone? Mar 17 10:35:20 1: no, 2: ask in #jollamobile Mar 17 10:35:41 thnaks Mar 17 10:35:52 did you write Proximous? Mar 17 10:37:22 wow .. nice graphing heh Mar 17 10:37:34 www seems fickle Mar 17 10:37:49 that wiki is being mean as well Mar 17 10:38:16 using mysql are you? :) Mar 17 10:39:35 it looks fine other than the web server Mar 17 10:39:52 with its peaking at 40 heh Mar 17 10:40:39 http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2 Mar 17 10:40:44 wtf? Mar 17 10:42:49 what's with that gap in graph data in the day view? reboot? Mar 17 10:44:47 you don't require a swap for the webserver? Mar 17 10:51:59 Swap: Using 0.0 of 0.0 MB swap. Mar 17 10:54:55 CPU Utilization:78.2 8.9 11.2 Mar 17 10:55:06 wow and that's 4 dedicated cores? Mar 17 11:40:57 plop Mar 17 12:44:55 ssvb_: ping Mar 17 12:45:07 freemangordon: pong Mar 17 12:46:05 ssvb_: re pixman - what are your concerncs, stock is 0.16.2 and there is no ABI breakeage between that and 0.28.2 Mar 17 12:48:17 freemangordon: pixman 0.22 dropped a workaround for buggy old x servers, and looks like maemo is using such old x server Mar 17 12:50:04 the workaround mentioned in comment 23 from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484#c23 Mar 17 12:50:06 04Bug 22484: was not found. Mar 17 12:51:35 ssvb_: hmm, lemme google a bit Mar 17 12:52:00 ssvb_: though, shouldn't we have segfault already if that was the case? Mar 17 12:52:29 maemo x server based on 1.7 pre-release is almost there, it is just missing the patch from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484#c12 Mar 17 12:52:30 04Bug 22484: was not found. Mar 17 12:54:11 that bug was originally about just some icons not being displayed, but you can surely wait for a real segfault to be encountered by somebody before taking some action Mar 17 12:57:28 freemangordon: it may be a good idea to check whether the x server has any maemo specific changes and try to upgrade it to the latest stable upstream 1.7.x release (applying maemo modifications if necessary) Mar 17 12:57:45 or cherry pick the patches which address this particular issue Mar 17 12:57:51 ssvb_: by looking at the code, that patch is there Mar 17 12:58:11 freemangordon: which code? Mar 17 12:58:18 xserver Mar 17 12:58:21 link? Mar 17 12:59:02 ssvb_: no git repo, you need to get tar.gz. or wait a minute, I'll pastebin it Mar 17 13:01:24 ssvb_: http://pastebin.com/p1s6sGQm Mar 17 13:01:34 ssvb_: I can;t find the second patched functio Mar 17 13:01:37 *function Mar 17 13:01:55 ssvb_: copy_drawable that is Mar 17 13:06:05 ssvb: no copy_drawable function in maemo xserver sources Mar 17 13:12:38 ssvb: still here? Mar 17 13:15:20 freemangordon: yes, here is the log of changes to this file on 1.7 branch - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch Mar 17 13:16:48 the copy_drawable function had been introduced in "Fix clipping when windows are used as sources" patch Mar 17 13:17:08 ssvb: and reverted here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=196aff9b18381d700fb28027186cce6e68ad587c Mar 17 13:18:35 right, that's a good catch Mar 17 13:21:55 I'm trying to identify the exact upstream version or commit for fbpict.c from maemo Mar 17 13:22:07 ssvb: me too Mar 17 13:24:22 ssvb: I guess it is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/plain/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=196aff9b18381d700fb28027186cce6e68ad587c Mar 17 13:24:26 will diff Mar 17 13:33:16 dammit, how to get it plain for a speceific commit? Mar 17 13:45:33 ssvb: I am almost sure we're here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=49f77fff1495c0a2050fb18f9b1fc627839bbfc2 Mar 17 13:45:50 yes Mar 17 13:46:17 ssvb: so you think there is a problem? Mar 17 13:50:12 looks like it is the state exactly before the source clipping fixes got applied to xserver 1.7, hence it should behave like 1.6 and new pixman versions dropped support for this in version 0.22 Mar 17 13:53:55 though I'm not sure if it would be easy or even possible to reproduce any serious problems on maemo Mar 17 13:55:23 ssvb: hmm? elaborate please, I still don;t get what the problem would be. Going to run all the pixman tests in the meanwhile Mar 17 13:59:48 freemangordon: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484 was about invisible notification area icons in gnome Mar 17 13:59:49 04Bug 22484: was not found. Mar 17 14:01:03 ssvb: but stock pixman is 16.02, the bug is for 0.15.12+ Mar 17 14:02:04 ssvb: ooh, i see Mar 17 14:02:17 that workaround was removed in 22.2 Mar 17 14:04:09 ssvb: I guess I can re-introduce it, just to be on the safe side Mar 17 14:05:41 ssvb: thanks, I think I finally grok it :D Mar 17 14:09:01 freemangordon: you are welcome :) Mar 17 14:09:13 fyi, I had asked for a problem with fcam-drivers some days ago... Mar 17 14:09:24 the issue is that extras' fcam-drivers does NOT work with extras' kernel-power Mar 17 14:09:33 but extras-devel's fcam-drivers work with extras' kernel-power Mar 17 14:09:44 divVerent: install fcam drivers from extras-devel Mar 17 14:09:45 so, blessn900 now works fine for me :) Mar 17 14:09:50 yes, just said I did that Mar 17 14:09:55 and that it fixed it Mar 17 14:10:14 ssvb: I guess reintroducng the workaround will fix any posibble issues, agree? Mar 17 14:11:30 freemangordon: yes, though admittedly I'm not quite sure how to test it Mar 17 14:14:30 ssvb: I'll try to find a way, there is a removed test here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pixman/commit/?id=9c19a85b0037d48fdd180a2c59ef05bdc4f46680 Mar 17 14:18:53 ssvb: also I have a bug report for some broken widgets, so I guess I'll be able to test it Mar 17 14:19:02 :) Mar 17 14:26:21 is there any other cellular except the N900 that is able to run maemo/meego? Mar 17 14:27:21 maemo, none Mar 17 14:54:36 [2013-03-17 11:34:40] can I flash maemo/meego on any current cellular . like nexus4? Mar 17 14:54:37 [2013-03-17 11:34:55] 2. when will joola release their phone? Mar 17 14:54:39 [2013-03-17 11:35:20] 1: no, 2: ask in #jollamobile Mar 17 14:55:08 ok, sorry man Mar 17 15:18:19 ssvb: kudos :) Mar 17 15:18:24 ssvb: http://pastebin.com/MyDuDGWH Mar 17 15:18:30 phew :D Mar 17 15:18:42 the reported bug is fixed too Mar 17 16:00:58 freemangordon: just upgraded libpixman and libxml; during installation i got a message saying the timestamp for the postrm, control etc are 5793s in the future. Shouldn't affect the system right since the installation seems to have gone fine? Mar 17 16:01:48 thedead1440: no such messages here, are you sure your ctime is correct? Mar 17 16:01:55 *time Mar 17 16:02:04 freemangordon: yup; http://pastebin.com/7Y48zAuU Mar 17 16:03:12 no issue here either however installed them separatly Mar 17 16:03:30 hmm maybe something is borked on my device :D Mar 17 16:03:41 thedead1440: looks like Mar 17 16:03:43 anyway it installed fine so i don't think it should be an issue Mar 17 16:09:07 it could be a dpkg bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640298 Mar 17 16:14:34 thedead1440: patched in version 1.16.1 it seems. Mar 17 16:14:49 sixwheeledbeast: yup on the n900 its 1.14 Mar 17 16:14:53 however it just ignores the timestamp Mar 17 16:15:00 yeah its a trivial thing Mar 17 16:15:07 yer, 1.14.25 Mar 17 17:54:27 does the repository "extras-testing" work? Mar 17 17:54:41 and "extras-devel"? Mar 17 17:56:49 NeutrinoPower: what do you mean by work? Mar 17 17:58:06 for weeks I cannot install package from extras-testing Mar 17 17:58:32 repos are up now, which pkg? Mar 17 18:09:04 http://neutrinopower.dyndns.org/public/Apt%20Protokoll.txt Mar 17 18:22:01 I upgraded manually, now I could install mediainfo and pykake Mar 17 18:23:46 but I want to install flexo and it isn't listed in fast package manager http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/flexo/ Mar 17 18:25:10 FAM and HAM have separate app lists, have you been using mirrors? Mar 17 18:25:50 you could just click on your link in N900 browser Mar 17 18:27:41 hey. is there a Mar 17 18:27:49 CSSU-thumb toolchain setup for madde? Mar 17 18:28:59 oh, the problem is "flexo" is already installed Mar 17 18:33:52 ssvb, IDK who you are, but I definitely like people like you Mar 17 18:34:22 (bug report and the way, that conversation was technical orgasm) Mar 17 18:34:41 very educational to read those reports and commits you guys both submitted Mar 17 18:35:30 BTW, if anyone is interested (which i doubt), it turned out that my optfs backup on 2nd device was "borked" due to being done on desktop linux... Mar 17 18:35:57 so tar there adds some things that maemo tars doesnt understand, and silenty dies in middle of extracting, without giving reports Mar 17 18:36:05 it extract positively some things, then die Mar 17 18:36:29 gnu-tar on N900 was more talkative and reported unknown headers, but also dropped extracting after some files Mar 17 18:36:52 will extract it from desktop to mmcblk0p2, as soon as I fix that fuckin usb port, which decided to fall off just yesterday Mar 17 18:37:17 cleanly, fortunatelly, pads are perfectly intact, even solder on it - legs on usb got broken Mar 17 18:37:34 (on usb port) Mar 17 18:37:56 clownish: only seen instructions for scratchbox http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 Mar 17 18:38:02 * Estel_ scavenges some copper things to do make-shift thing tip for electric soldering iron, due to his gas one being out of service) Mar 17 18:38:38 sixwheeledbeast: i know, put i hoped i can avoide scratchbox somehow Mar 17 18:39:36 * sixwheeledbeast shrugs Mar 17 18:41:02 Estel_ : I find gas irons aren't great for PCB's Mar 17 18:51:33 sixwheeledbeast, why? Mar 17 18:52:07 I feel them super great - no cables to mess with, no impendance issue (no electricity flowing nearby soldering tip) Mar 17 18:52:16 just heat, tip, and me Mar 17 18:52:23 temperatures not as stable and the exhaust is a PITA Mar 17 18:52:36 mhm, depends on mode Mar 17 18:52:39 model* Mar 17 18:52:51 I have both, gas for site work and electric on the bench Mar 17 18:53:05 pen gas irons are good just for very quick jobs, as indeed gas pressure drops and temperature changes Mar 17 18:53:08 I see Mar 17 18:53:15 plus it costs a bit in butune Mar 17 18:53:28 on a large project anywho Mar 17 18:53:39 well, my gas one (the one malfunctioning) have big capacity, and keeps stable temperature for a hour of constant work Mar 17 18:54:16 as for butine, I found it ~ equal in cost as electricity, When used in iron Mar 17 18:54:27 exhasut can be problematic, tho, you're right here Mar 17 18:54:51 As the tank gets emptier the temperature can change a bit Mar 17 18:54:56 I just remember to keep it upward, away from pcb Mar 17 18:55:39 depends on tank size, of course you're right, but with big tank temperature change is veeeery slow and shouldn't happen to noticeable levels before 1/4 tank left Mar 17 18:55:43 smallest tanks suffer more Mar 17 18:55:59 my tank get ~120 ml at once IIRC Mar 17 18:56:20 brb, trying to scavenge usb port from dead motherboard Mar 17 18:56:31 already bought 4 new, too impatient to wait for arrival :P Mar 17 18:57:36 I think the fact electricity is readily available, kills the argument that gas is more efficient. Mar 17 19:01:19 ~120ml is a fair size gas iron, Mar 17 19:01:20 okay, sixwheeledbeast Mar 17 19:01:39 ~120ml Mar 17 19:01:40 it has been said that 120ml is a fair size gas iron, Mar 17 19:01:57 grr Mar 17 19:02:35 infobot: forget 120ml Mar 17 19:02:36 i forgot 120ml, sixwheeledbeast Mar 17 19:02:43 ~120ml Mar 17 19:03:16 mm Mar 17 19:03:29 I guess I deal with the cord when mains power is fine, better temperature control mainly, and mains power is cheap for soldering purposes... Mar 17 19:04:37 eccerr0r: exactly, on the bench it will sit at the right temp with no refilling Mar 17 19:04:50 gas for cooking, heating water, heating houses, drying clothes, etc. however... Mar 17 19:05:32 off gas here so all electric Mar 17 19:06:10 is there anyone who can help me setup my n900 so I can use it over my vpn Mar 17 19:06:22 probably Mar 17 19:06:28 or point me to a link Mar 17 19:06:37 I use my n900 with openvpn, it works just fine "out of the box" Mar 17 19:07:11 I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over it Mar 17 19:07:19 "out of the box" as in, installing the client :\ Mar 17 19:07:24 I have tried tun and tap Mar 17 19:08:13 I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over itvpn Mar 17 19:08:25 opps Mar 17 19:08:35 I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over the vpn Mar 17 19:08:47 there's a parrot in here? ;) Mar 17 19:09:10 ie it does not connect to free switch Mar 17 19:09:47 maybe I am not explaining myself well Mar 17 19:09:50 sorry Mar 17 19:09:51 what type of vpn you have? Mar 17 19:09:52 sixwheeledbeast, why made infobit forget, it was actually great ;) Mar 17 19:09:54 the thing is I know my vpn works (my vpn server is my server box, not my router) so I don't have two variables to deal with... Mar 17 19:10:03 better than half maemo factoids Mar 17 19:10:27 anyway, grrr, it's awesome how hard it may be to get usb port from N900 Mar 17 19:10:35 I have at the moment a tap vpn running inside my router Mar 17 19:10:35