**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 21 02:59:58 2013 Mar 21 05:04:52 is any possibility to dump n900 installed apps list? Mar 21 05:06:10 i goin to prepare for install u-boot and try to backup all info if i must reflash device... Mar 21 05:35:56 Drathir: would "dpkg --get-selections" suffice? Mar 21 05:43:20 unclouded: ok i check that thanks Mar 21 05:43:41 on pc i always dump with synaptic... Mar 21 06:17:55 no more presto engine for opera Mar 21 06:17:56 lame Mar 21 08:31:15 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/actionmanager// 404, is that a known issue? Mar 21 08:31:50 linked from http://maemo.org/packages/view/actionmanager/ ; stale link Mar 21 08:52:51 Drathir: maemo backup app does a complete list of installed apps, and settings, and contacts, calendar events etc Mar 21 09:24:39 a (I think) a bit tricky question - only half offtopic: Mar 21 09:25:58 when I want to create a shellscript that creates a ssh port forwarding (like ssh -i /home/jr/.ssh/id_rsa -L5900:10.0.1.200:5900) and then invokes konqueror... Mar 21 09:26:37 but (now the tricky part) QUITS the ssh forwarding when konqueror gets closed. How would I do that? Mar 21 09:27:45 NB I don't want invoke konqueror on remote host - so no, I can't pass "konqueror" as parameter to execute, to the ssh command Mar 21 09:28:04 while ps -ef | grep konqueror = konqueror() else killall ssh? Mar 21 09:28:39 kinda like that, yeah. Feels extremely clumsy Mar 21 09:29:03 I wonder how you can catch a program's exit signal and use that as a trigger to kill a process. Mar 21 09:29:27 konqueror && killall Mar 21 09:29:59 ssh && konqueror && killall konqueror? Mar 21 09:30:11 uhh, killall ssh. Mar 21 09:30:12 but killall gives me nausea in this Mar 21 09:30:29 ssh doesn't return Mar 21 09:30:57 ps -ef | grep ssh -i /home/jr/.ssh/id_rsa -L5900:10.0.1.200:5900 | cut $SOME_FORMAT | kill -9? Mar 21 09:32:05 basically, you're getting the exact process you want Mar 21 09:32:11 assuming you know how it's invoked Mar 21 09:32:39 yeah. i hoped for a nifty non-so-obvious way Mar 21 09:33:04 like ssh <`konqueror` or whatever Mar 21 09:34:16 (sleep 3; konqueror)|ssh Mar 21 09:37:41 the last one actually looks promising Mar 21 09:38:09 with a little work, to not send random konqueror output to remote machine... Mar 21 09:39:51 and of course ssh must run under root, so sudo, which will ask for password, which will delay the portforwarding get established... YUCK Mar 21 09:43:35 konqueror knows so many nice protocols, like "devices://" and "sftp://", why doesn't it know something like "anyscript&&URL://" Mar 21 09:44:02 because that's a vuln, methinks. Mar 21 09:51:44 DocScrutinizer05: you're basically asking for a dynamic ssh tunnel Mar 21 09:51:53 yoh Mar 21 09:52:08 i'm not quite sure it can be done Mar 21 09:52:20 why do you want it do be dynamic? is it to or from a mobile? Mar 21 09:53:21 kerio: my plan is very simple. I need a ssh portforwarding to access maemo server's IPMI (~=BIOS) interface Mar 21 09:54:21 DocScrutinizer05: so there's no battery involved in any of this? Mar 21 09:54:28 hte access to that IPMI interface is e.g per web browser, but before I start up web browser and point it to http://localhost:34567, I need to establish the port forwarding Mar 21 09:54:49 autossh, and leave the tunnel always open Mar 21 09:54:58 easiest solution :) Mar 21 09:55:38 and it's just cumbersome to juggle with xterm for ssh, with sudo, and with starting konqueror after I established the ssh port forwarding, and tearing down the ssh port forwarding in xterm after I closed konqueror Mar 21 09:56:04 autossh it Mar 21 09:56:15 and leave it open, i guess Mar 21 09:56:27 nah, doesn't feel right Mar 21 09:56:47 why? Mar 21 09:57:00 I mustn't have a permanent open link to security critical interfaces of maemo.org Mar 21 09:57:35 if anything rogue happens to my local machine, I don't want it to sneak in to maemo.org as well Mar 21 09:58:04 (yeah sure, I know... more like a general policy than a real consern. but anyway) Mar 21 09:58:16 concern* Mar 21 09:58:24 DocScrutinizer05: would you be happy with a kludge? :D Mar 21 09:58:41 is nc installed on the machine you're sshing to? Mar 21 09:58:55 I'm happy with anything that works by point&click in 6 months when I forgot how to do this Mar 21 09:59:00 yes Mar 21 09:59:47 localhost:5900 stream tcp nowait joe ssh -T thatserver nc localhost 5900 Mar 21 09:59:48 in inetd.conf Mar 21 10:00:07 inetd!!! :-D Mar 21 10:00:12 it should work Mar 21 10:00:45 nifty Mar 21 10:00:52 ...but only if the identity file is passwordless, methinks Mar 21 10:01:01 it is Mar 21 10:01:18 if anything rogue happens to my local machine, I don't want it to sneak in to maemo.org as well Mar 21 10:01:35 yeah, would still not be satisfied Mar 21 10:01:39 heh Mar 21 10:01:46 DocScrutinizer05: run it inside a ssh agent in some way Mar 21 10:01:56 so is there a new hifo? Mar 21 10:02:06 huh? Mar 21 10:02:28 Macer: whatsup? Mar 21 10:03:14 so we all get 900k$ each from Mr Gates? Mar 21 10:03:49 just curious if the hifo was dismantled Mar 21 10:04:09 why should it? Mar 21 10:04:56 I think it even can't Mar 21 10:05:02 lack of usefulness or redundancy maybe? lack of its board staying. things of that nature Mar 21 10:05:21 Macer: please stop implying nonsense Mar 21 10:05:57 HiFo is absolutely NOT useless Mar 21 10:06:01 * thedead1440 wonders what happened to Macer's FOIA request to HiFo... Mar 21 10:06:15 thedead1440: sent it in. takes a while Mar 21 10:06:35 especially for paper records Mar 21 10:07:13 OOOH, it's been Macer who pondered how to annoy everybody inside maemo "administration" (= council / board) with _really_ useless legal requests Mar 21 10:07:14 so how it can be dismantled then? :) Mar 21 10:07:33 huh? Mar 21 10:07:47 all i did was send in a request for the tax records Mar 21 10:08:07 it was just a 2 pafe form and a stamp heh Mar 21 10:08:14 page Mar 21 10:08:37 yeah, and a 2h useless trouble at very least for HiFo secretary Mar 21 10:08:48 probably nnot Mar 21 10:09:00 the records requested would be filed tax records Mar 21 10:09:04 probably you're talking out of your ass Mar 21 10:09:08 provided by the us irs Mar 21 10:10:00 uhm ... k? the irs just sends copies of the records to the person requesting them. they dont ask for additional information because of it from the mfp Mar 21 10:10:09 nfp Mar 21 10:10:30 honestly, please go take it elsewhere. We're not interested in EX-maemonians pestering recent HiFo about nonsensical stuff Mar 21 10:10:56 just for the fun of "because I *can*" Mar 21 10:10:59 er. i wasnt. i was pestering the irs. but ok. Mar 21 10:11:16 hifo wouldnt even know the request was put in Mar 21 10:11:28 unless they got audited which i doubt Mar 21 10:11:33 ooh, didn't you say you sent it to HiFo? Mar 21 10:11:40 er Mar 21 10:11:42 no Mar 21 10:11:52 the us irs Mar 21 10:12:01 why would i send it to them? lol Mar 21 10:12:04 then we're even less interested Mar 21 10:12:21 k Mar 21 10:13:00 except for the audit you might have triggered, which we for sure will send you a present and a thank-you card for Mar 21 10:13:39 lol... the only reason the irs would do that would be if the nfp had shady records Mar 21 10:14:24 meh, take it elsewhere. We are not interested in discussing HiFo Mar 21 10:14:35 at least thedead1440 and me Mar 21 10:14:39 regardless... going to try bending my pins a bit and try getting my n900 fired up Mar 21 10:14:43 and kerio Mar 21 10:14:56 if it doesnt work ill just get another one to have Mar 21 10:15:01 i love talking about HiFo, it's my most favourite subject! Mar 21 10:15:02 theyre kind of cheap now Mar 21 10:15:14 DocScrutinizer05: apparently there's no proper way to set up an on-demand tunnel :( Mar 21 10:15:26 i mean, that's the most proper way Mar 21 10:15:33 kerio: thanks for popping stack! ;-) Mar 21 10:15:53 yeah, that's why I'd prefer to script it Mar 21 10:15:58 DocScrutinizer05: if you intend to do that, make sure to use connection multiplexing so it won't actually open more than one connection Mar 21 10:16:29 and... meh, if the identity file is passwordless we're hosed anyway, if your computer is stolen or attacked Mar 21 10:16:36 so i still think that you might as well use autossh Mar 21 10:17:23 wth. no more ebay mobile site? Mar 21 10:17:27 heh Mar 21 10:17:48 DocScrutinizer05: when would it ask you for a password? Mar 21 10:17:56 and when should it "expire"? Mar 21 10:18:29 good question, I probably need to add some --askpass parameters etc Mar 21 10:18:46 not only that, you need some way to close it, but only after you're done Mar 21 10:18:47 and it expires when I close the app that uses the tunnel Mar 21 10:18:53 ha ha no Mar 21 10:18:58 http opens a bunch of connections Mar 21 10:19:04 and closes them, too Mar 21 10:19:47 there's no way to identify something like that, except by encapsulating the app Mar 21 10:20:07 and isn't konqueror one of those fancy programs that do IPC and don't actually do more than one process? Mar 21 10:22:45 that's why I ponder "(check-for-established-tunnel 34567; konqueror 'http://localhost:34567 &>/dev/null)|ssh -L34567:ipmi:34567 joerg@jumphost.maemo.org Mar 21 10:22:48 " Mar 21 10:23:11 and no, i think konqueror should work in this setup Mar 21 10:23:33 kde must be saner than i thought Mar 21 10:23:52 at least it looks like it should work, whenever I start konqueror instance from shell. It returns exactly when I close konqueror Mar 21 10:24:54 konqueror instances may get preloaded, to speed up startup Mar 21 10:27:33 anyway, I got a similar thing to setup, that works with a complete VPN, and IPMIview which is an annoying java app (C) supermicro Mar 21 10:28:07 and I probably don't want that VPN up 24/7 either, for absolutely same rationale Mar 21 10:28:43 just make a shellscript Mar 21 10:51:07 a useful alternative can be a cacheing proxzy Mar 21 10:51:31 being able to search locally for historically accessed stuff can be handy Mar 21 11:53:10 hm Mar 21 11:53:22 lets see if i can pick this in box new n900 up for 202.50 heh Mar 21 11:54:03 that's a lot of money Mar 21 11:54:17 really? i didn't think so. Mar 21 11:54:18 meh Mar 21 11:54:30 i think if it were used it would be Mar 21 11:54:30 depends on how much you have in the wallet Mar 21 11:55:12 my other n900 has been off so long it won't even try to turn on/charge Mar 21 11:55:18 the modem was dead in it anyways Mar 21 11:55:57 i really do like the e7 tho :) symbian belle was on the verge of being awesome Mar 21 11:56:26 n900 has one major thing that makes it all worthwhile... well... 2.... telepathy and an xserver :) Mar 21 11:57:37 i never used one but i heard the meego telepathy front end was supposed to be really ince Mar 21 11:57:40 nice Mar 21 11:59:07 speaking of symbian, i lost my N73 somewhere Mar 21 11:59:44 if symbian had like another couple of months of development it would have been perfect Mar 21 11:59:50 it really needs a new txt msging app Mar 21 11:59:57 i wish it had telepathy Mar 21 12:00:15 i hated the ui on the first touchscreen symbian devices Mar 21 12:00:27 and email notifications.. wtf was up with that? probably just one of those things they were getting around to Mar 21 12:00:45 i bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between android and belle Mar 21 12:01:00 it actually looks rather maemoish... i suppose that's the qt Mar 21 12:01:00 does belle have a dropdown, like android? Mar 21 12:01:05 yes Mar 21 12:01:10 and email notifications don't go into it lol Mar 21 12:01:23 lol Mar 21 12:01:24 the only way to know you have an email is to use a widget i suppose Mar 21 12:01:37 but i doubt it was their fault... nokia probably pulled the plug on it Mar 21 12:01:43 so they never really got to it Mar 21 12:02:02 you still have windows phone Mar 21 12:02:03 * RiD runs Mar 21 12:12:49 lol Mar 21 12:13:01 i sold it on ebay for 155 Mar 21 12:13:25 i thought you were trying to buy one? Mar 21 12:13:26 Nice. Mar 21 12:13:55 no Mar 21 12:13:58 i got the e7 Mar 21 12:14:07 cacelled att and recouped my money by selling the lumia 900 Mar 21 12:14:57 since a new contract meant a free lumia 900 plus $100 of fre accessories Mar 21 12:15:12 so in the end i just have to pay back the $100 for the lumia :) Mar 21 12:29:27 hm, seems http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php doesn't work anymore Mar 21 12:29:34 Is there another place where images are hosted these days? Mar 21 12:30:23 skeiron.org/tablets-dev Mar 21 12:30:44 thank you. Mar 21 12:39:31 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if infobot could get tweaked to answer this particular question without attaching attention char to the head of it Mar 21 12:40:18 oooh wait, I could set up an autoresponder in konversation Mar 21 12:40:56 but that might get annoying Mar 21 12:41:20 meh! Mar 21 12:41:38 ~flash Mar 21 12:41:39 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 21 12:42:27 >>Note: Mar 21 12:42:29 If http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ does not work use the following mirror: Mar 21 12:42:30 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/<< Mar 21 12:43:01 CBA to spread more hints across the interwebs Mar 21 12:45:38 DocScrutinizer05, I immediately went to a diff part of the guide Mar 21 12:52:29 anyone used erminig? Mar 21 12:52:40 benedikt, yeah Mar 21 12:52:52 Wizzup_: did you have any issues? Mar 21 12:52:59 i can't get it to sync properly with google calendar Mar 21 12:53:07 events that i create in the phone arent synced to google Mar 21 12:53:17 I set it up a long time ago, and it seemed to work Mar 21 12:53:21 never touched it after that Mar 21 12:53:31 still seems to work Mar 21 12:53:44 maybe its a hit and miss thing Mar 21 12:54:38 syncing from desktop seems to work Mar 21 12:55:30 google changed API afaik Mar 21 12:55:39 nobody got it to work Mar 21 12:55:46 bloody hell Mar 21 12:55:58 syncing from calendar.google.com to the maemo phone works Mar 21 12:56:04 but not the other way around Mar 21 12:56:22 at last that's what I seem to recall i've heard Mar 21 13:15:00 Is it possible to force the N900 to boot when a power source is plugged in? Mar 21 13:19:38 narcos: actually it boots :) Mar 21 13:19:49 into ACT_DEAD mode Mar 21 13:23:25 freemangordon: ahhh Mar 21 13:24:08 freemangordon: Can we ask it to boot into ACT_ALIVE mode? :) Mar 21 13:27:08 DocScrutinizer05: i can only get the google -> phone working, not google <-> phone Mar 21 13:27:21 all bugs in the issue tracker are from 2008 or 2010 Mar 21 13:27:32 so i guess its something about google being dicks Mar 21 13:28:16 narcos: yes, that's possible with a flasher command to set a powerkey option Mar 21 13:33:10 DocScrutinizer05: Could you nudge me in the right direction to achieve that? When you say 'flasher', do you mean the flasher utility we use from our PC to flash the phone? Mar 21 13:33:30 yep Mar 21 13:33:58 it has an option to set a flag that's like "powerbutton=on" or similar Mar 21 13:34:39 DocScrutinizer05: That's great, super useful, thanks. *Googles* Mar 21 13:34:41 aiui it causes N900 to start up like if powerbutton been pressed when you plug in USB Mar 21 13:34:54 OK, perfect Mar 21 13:40:54 Looks like it may be "--set-rd-flags force-power-key" Mar 21 13:44:06 Spot on. Mar 21 13:44:17 One million internet points for DocScrutinizer05. Mar 21 13:44:53 Actually, you should set up a PayPal donation page for the number of times you've helped people/me. Mar 21 13:45:09 haha, there is one Mar 21 13:45:29 Oh? Retired on it yet? :) Mar 21 13:46:05 yeah sure. If you assume "vacant"="retired" Mar 21 13:46:59 ah :-/ Mar 21 13:47:23 Recently there are actually some donations there, for migration Mar 21 13:47:45 which almost compensate my expenses Mar 21 13:48:05 I found your openmoko page Mar 21 13:48:17 Ah ok Mar 21 13:49:24 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1326124&postcount=10 Mar 21 13:56:39 DocScrutinizer05: Gotcha, nice. Mar 21 13:56:43 DocScrutinizer05: btw, what are you living off of, at the moment? Mar 21 13:56:44 savings? Mar 21 14:01:53 kerio: yep Mar 21 14:17:48 narcos: thanks Mar 21 14:19:44 now stuff slows down quite a bit Mar 21 14:19:52 oops -ECHAN Mar 21 14:25:55 DocScrutinizer05: np Mar 21 14:28:44 (( which almost compensate my expenses)) my expenses on maemo of course :-D Mar 21 14:29:04 hehe Mar 21 14:29:17 Hookers and blow on your own tab? Mar 21 14:30:09 some servers to pay for, plus an occasional donation to maemo for HDD etc Mar 21 14:32:35 OK Mar 21 14:34:02 DocScrutinizer05: where i find this maemo backup app? Mar 21 14:34:55 in appstarter menu Mar 21 14:35:01 called backup Mar 21 14:38:55 DocScrutinizer05: you need setup socket in web browser to using a tunnel i think... Mar 21 14:43:29 DocScrutinizer05: lol thx i hide it for security... Mar 21 14:50:32 Drathir: hmm? Mar 21 14:50:56 oh, the backup app icon? Mar 21 15:40:10 DocScrutinizer05: yes i hide to noone use it ... Mar 21 15:42:12 one thing is annoying... when unlock phone when typing password numbers showing for a second... and if someone watching when typing pass can see it... Mar 21 15:43:11 for me thats looks like bug... Mar 21 15:43:26 Well, you have to leave backdoors _somewhere Mar 21 15:43:49 I jumped from a bridge, then I couldn't remember my N900 Keycode for months Mar 21 15:44:30 (Srsly... broke both arms, one leg and one jaw) Mar 21 15:45:02 Apic: rescueOS Mar 21 15:45:30 and why did you jump from a bridge? that sounds like a bad idea Mar 21 15:45:47 Yeah well, I almost couldn't type at all with the broken arms, and suddenly I remembered my passcode again Mar 21 15:45:54 Yes, I was tortured in Psychiatry Mar 21 15:46:54 I suddenly got a legal guardian who locked my credit cards and my online-banking Mar 21 15:47:30 Then I ran away from Psychiatry to another Psychiatry which didn't take me but sent me back to the original one, where they didn't leave me out for two weeks Mar 21 15:48:11 When I finally was granted to go outside two hours again I went even madder and jumped... cannot remember anything for hours before the act Mar 21 15:51:07 Well... that all was end of 2011... now my body parts are largely usable again \o/ Mar 21 15:51:19 And my trusty phone still works B-) Mar 21 17:14:35 Apic what the Mar 21 17:14:58 that's a crazy story Mar 21 17:17:55 infobot: ping Mar 21 17:17:56 ~pong Mar 21 17:19:07 hi people, I am new to MAEMO Mar 21 17:20:43 xavinux: hi and welcome Mar 21 17:21:21 hi Mar 21 17:21:37 My n900 alarms have stopped working. Mar 21 17:21:37 thank you freemangordon Mar 21 17:21:44 All of them. Mar 21 17:22:01 Stuff set up with alarmd, alarms set by the clock applet? Mar 21 17:22:10 it's the 2013 march glitch Mar 21 17:23:09 vi__: both stock and replacement? Mar 21 17:23:39 I have not tried stock yet. Mar 21 17:23:50 vi__: WFM, though don;t have alarmd :) Mar 21 17:24:05 have a Nokia N9 and would like to know if I can help the project Mar 21 17:24:15 knowledge about Linux Mar 21 17:24:20 lol, Well good for you mate! Mar 21 17:24:20 xavinux: try on #harmattan Mar 21 17:24:52 So what are you working on these days FMG? Did you ever finish mplayer/ramz? Mar 21 17:24:59 xavinux: #maemo is more or less Fremantle oriented Mar 21 17:25:19 vi__: upstream pixman, embedlite on fremantle Mar 21 17:25:52 oh thanks freemangordon for your answer Mar 21 17:25:53 vi__: and other stuff too :) Mar 21 17:25:58 Is embedlite using pixman? Mar 21 17:26:22 vi__: gecko? you can bet on it :) Mar 21 17:27:59 vi__: it is using cairo-qt or (from 2-3 weeks) skia Mar 21 17:28:28 will it support html5? flash plugin? Mar 21 17:29:59 freemangordon: are you icoderus on tweeter? Mar 21 17:30:42 vi__: hows it going. Not seen you floating about in a while Mar 21 17:30:52 I am still here. Mar 21 17:30:58 Just not so much to add these days. Mar 21 17:32:41 sixwheeledbeast: did you write the perfect n900 wiki page? Mar 21 17:32:43 vi__: no Mar 21 17:33:26 vi__: hi is harmattan dev, seems a skilled one to me. he did a lots of contributions to harm embedlite UI Mar 21 17:33:31 *he Mar 21 17:34:33 aah Mar 21 17:35:03 vi__: "rus" comes from russian :) Mar 21 17:35:33 the clue was in the name. Mar 21 17:36:02 vi__: it was a community effort originally by wirr IIRC. But I did a big rewrite on it, why? Mar 21 17:37:03 Hi Mar 21 17:37:10 You forget to mention hildon startup progress or whatever it is called in the list of junk to remove. It is the 5 dots. Mar 21 17:37:25 I got myself a n900 and I'm trying to connect it to an zarafa groupware via MfE.. I get this Error Message: "either exchange server requires secure connection or account is disabled" ..the ssl cert is selfsigned and the ca cert is already imported via the certificate manager.. I already googled on this issue but im still not sure how to troubleshoot this.. Mar 21 17:41:29 vi__: I have never removed it, probably would scare people if "five dots" disappeared it is a beginners wiki after all. "hildon-welcome" is another. The thread is there for more advanced users. Mar 21 17:43:33 yes. Mar 21 17:50:47 the main thing to purge is "cherry" PITA Mar 21 17:52:16 You should make a seperate heading specifically for cherry. Mar 21 17:52:31 hi Mar 21 17:53:13 mmm, was thinking the same. looking on TMO for the cherry thread Mar 21 17:57:54 vi__: will sort that later found a wiki page just on cherry I'll link it in http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Mar 21 19:32:33 ~skeiron Mar 21 19:32:34 hmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 21 19:33:07 ~mirror Mar 21 19:33:08 rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new Mar 21 19:34:07 ~rmo-new Mar 21 19:34:07 methinks rmo-new is do `echo 213.128.137.22 repository.maemo.org >>/etc/hosts` on your N900, as root, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1327342#post1327342 Mar 21 19:34:46 wow Mar 21 19:35:00 the n900 eventually sold for 265 Mar 21 19:35:07 my max was 225 Mar 21 19:40:12 C welcome new users... Mar 21 19:40:53 uhm Mar 21 19:42:32 wow Mar 21 19:42:38 laaag... Mar 21 19:43:52 im sorry for that strange symbols shouldnt be there... Mar 21 20:05:22 Sicelo: forget about rmo-new Mar 21 20:07:28 (( vi__: WFM, though don;t have alarmd )) wut? Mar 21 20:08:53 i noticedl resolves ok Mar 21 20:12:11 ~forget rmo-new Mar 21 20:12:12 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot rmo-new Mar 21 21:52:58 so I finally nuked my gorgeous uptime on IroN900 Mar 21 21:54:38 and first comment: F U tracker-indexer! Mar 21 22:00:12 heh, tracker really rescans the whole machine on fresh start? hmm... Mar 21 22:30:11 ~seen rm_you Mar 21 22:30:19 rm_you <~rm_you@Maemo/community/cssu/rm-you> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 18h 51m 9s ago, saying: 'no real infusion in sight'. Mar 22 00:40:01 DocScrutinizer51: what is this tracker? when i do rsync backup all time when check updating that file :/ Mar 22 00:44:31 Drathir: tracker is this shite that implements a phantom filesystem in parallel to the real one. Implemented as a SQLite database with a frontend that scans everything and the unused rest of disk sector for metadata, but leaves out such essential info like full pathname. Which results that in gallery you can't view/display only photos of one directory, and in mediaplayer you find your careful sorting of MP3 files to genres directories Mar 22 00:44:33 just ignored Mar 22 00:46:36 and in maemo backup app you can't distinguish between files of same name from eMMc and from uSD Mar 22 00:47:22 since "user shouldn't have to bother about real pathnames - this just puzzles the joe average user" Mar 22 00:48:15 and reall ybraindead idea I dunno if got invented first by apple/iphone or by ms/windows or by android Mar 22 00:50:04 anyway while apple rowed back already for iPhone, and never really implemented the concept unconditionally for os-x, Nokia for maemo thought "when apple abandons the idea, we can adopt it" Mar 22 00:52:44 and thus we're now plagued with a tracker-indexer that runs every time you change anything anywhere in filesystem, as well as on every single boot, and - depending on amount of data you got on your huge mass storage - can zake 30 or even 60 minutes to complete Mar 22 00:54:58 60minutes? Mar 22 00:55:06 wow Mar 22 00:55:21 * DocScrutinizer05 looking forward to better times in future when no more responsibility for *anything* in maemo and no more fsckng arguments with /maemo/contributor/* will spoil the day Mar 22 00:56:43 when those that assign a job to you then go bitching at you about executing that job, it kinda feels insane and I can't take it any longer Mar 22 01:47:55 tracker is useful, but as an adjunct to file systems. this latter trend to eliminate path, or even filenames is insane Mar 22 01:48:33 sigh. why can people just not be idiots. Mar 22 02:26:35 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for explain me looks like little strange things but maybe incerase performance? Mar 22 02:27:13 How does one type Ctrl-[ in xterm? Mar 22 02:29:21 * Drathir downloads u-boot files... Mar 22 02:52:13 is ctrl-[ same as esc esc? guess not **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 22 02:59:58 2013