**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 05 02:59:58 2013
Apr 05 06:40:54 <XATRIX> What takes more energy ? GSM data connection vs WiFi ?
Apr 05 06:41:05 <XATRIX> During transmission/idling modes
Apr 05 06:41:14 <FlameReaper-PC> GSM
Apr 05 06:46:33 <XATRIX> FlameReaper-PC: Why do you think so? I thought wifi does more transmissions simply to keep the link alive, it has more overhead , and it uses more transmission power cause it has much more higher operating freqency
Apr 05 06:52:52 <FlameReaper-PC> No idea
Apr 05 06:53:00 <FlameReaper-PC> Ir
Apr 05 06:53:02 <FlameReaper-PC> *Or
Apr 05 06:53:13 <XATRIX> DocScrutinizer05: anything you can add ?
Apr 05 06:53:25 <FlameReaper-PC> should I assume that operating using a 3G data connection and a GSM data connection is a different thing?
Apr 05 06:56:24 <XATRIX> Yeap, it's a different communication standards
Apr 05 06:56:34 <XATRIX> GSM is actually 1G
Apr 05 07:00:23 <XATRIX> correction GPRS/EDGE = 2G
Apr 05 07:00:36 <XATRIX> WCDMA/HSDPA = 3G
Apr 05 07:14:22 <jacekowski> gsm is using a lot less power when idle
Apr 05 07:14:30 <jacekowski> same for 3g
Apr 05 07:14:55 <jacekowski> wifi even with power saving is using a lot of power
Apr 05 07:15:27 <freemangordon> jacekowski: when idle?
Apr 05 07:15:40 <freemangordon> hmm, I tend to disagree
Apr 05 07:16:27 <freemangordon> my battery lasts at least 30% more when connected to wifi compared to when connected to gprs
Apr 05 07:22:41 <sixwheeledbeast> I'd say with power saving on 3G uses more power to tx and more power standby over wifi.
Apr 05 07:23:43 <sixwheeledbeast> i have my device on 2G all the time to reduce power consumption
Apr 05 07:24:23 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: do you have IM accounts online all the time?
Apr 05 07:25:09 <sixwheeledbeast> no. no IM on N900
Apr 05 07:25:57 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, I have 3 of them online all the time and my conclusion is that wifi is the least power consuming of 3g,gprs,wifi
Apr 05 07:26:06 <Apic> Good Morning.
Apr 05 07:26:12 <freemangordon> hi
Apr 05 07:26:18 <sixwheeledbeast> hi
Apr 05 07:26:55 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon, that's what I said wifi uses less power ^^^
Apr 05 07:32:07 <sixwheeledbeast> there was a wiki page with some instant consumption figures somewhere..mompls
Apr 05 07:33:49 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
Apr 05 08:03:03 <sixwheeledbeast> \o/ maemo.org login
Apr 05 08:15:39 <XATRIX> Guys, can you advice me, what can i install on my handset to use at as usual "shared folder" in windows ?
Apr 05 08:15:48 <XATRIX> for example, i have no USB cable with me
Apr 05 08:16:14 <XATRIX> I have to share some files on the handset SD card with my friend , i have to use networking
Apr 05 08:16:15 <sixwheeledbeast> XATRIX: dropbox?
Apr 05 08:16:19 <XATRIX> No :)
Apr 05 08:16:36 <XATRIX> Assume, we have no internet connection
Apr 05 08:16:45 <XATRIX> And we are in the same room
Apr 05 08:16:54 <XATRIX> We use wireless network
Apr 05 08:17:13 <XATRIX> (no BT) assume his laptop doesn't have dongle
Apr 05 08:17:24 <kerio> ssh
Apr 05 08:17:36 <kerio> use a scp client
Apr 05 08:18:22 <sixwheeledbeast> ssh as above.
Apr 05 08:18:33 <XATRIX> What do i have to install on my handset, to make him able to go "My Computer" -> Network
Apr 05 08:18:41 <XATRIX> There, show all hosts
Apr 05 08:18:44 <XATRIX> In windows
Apr 05 08:19:04 <XATRIX> And he will be able to connect to my phone as a usual windows PC network host
Apr 05 08:19:08 <XATRIX> samba ?
Apr 05 08:19:20 <kerio> install and configure samba properly
Apr 05 08:20:06 <XATRIX> ok , thanks
Apr 05 08:20:22 <XATRIX> Any GUI configurator for samba for freemantle ?
Apr 05 08:20:38 <XATRIX> Don't want to hang for an hour with keypand :)
Apr 05 08:21:44 <kerio> it will also not necessarily appear in My Network or whatever
Apr 05 08:22:17 <XATRIX> yea, he's possibly can do \\192.168.1.0
Apr 05 08:22:24 <XATRIX> And access ths handset
Apr 05 08:22:37 <XATRIX> But , i would like to be more flexible in visual
Apr 05 08:22:43 <XATRIX> For a noob users
Apr 05 08:32:55 <sixwheeledbeast> grrr.. new ff update has messed up private browsing
Apr 05 08:35:05 <sixwheeledbeast> if I want to always use private browsing it shouldn't need to tell me I know.
Apr 05 09:03:49 <sixwheeledbeast> asked the friendly people on #firefox :)
Apr 05 09:03:52 <sixwheeledbeast> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852295
Apr 05 09:03:54 <povbot> 04Bug 852295: was not found.
Apr 05 09:04:04 <sixwheeledbeast> to be fixed in ff22 :(
Apr 05 10:12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> jacekowski: XATRIX: just that there *is* *no* idle mode in data ever, on maemo
Apr 05 10:14:13 <XATRIX> What do you mean ?
Apr 05 10:14:26 <XATRIX> What if it is in standby mode , screen is off
Apr 05 10:14:39 <XATRIX> comms doesn't rx/tx
Apr 05 10:23:03 <sixwheeledbeast> XATRIX: quick test to prove the point.
Apr 05 10:23:20 <sixwheeledbeast> switch data on put adj a speaker
Apr 05 10:35:29 <XATRIX> hm
Apr 05 10:51:10 <DocScrutinizer05> [GENERAL NOTICE] login on www.maemo.org seems fixed. Please test, report anything that obviously doesn't work as expected to me or warfare
Apr 05 10:55:26 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: 3G seems to not create those RATATATA sounds in speakers
Apr 05 10:56:04 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: how long should it take for promotion of packages devel>testing
Apr 05 10:56:15 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Apr 05 10:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ask jacekowski
Apr 05 10:56:59 <sixwheeledbeast> I have Dual mode on and noises are fairly frequent.
Apr 05 10:57:22 <Apic> scratchbox.org is unresponsive, is there some Mirror?
Apr 05 10:57:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ask thedead1440
Apr 05 10:57:54 <sixwheeledbeast> 2g doesn't seem to make noises.
Apr 05 10:58:07 <DocScrutinizer05> he's maintainer of scratchbox.maemo.org
Apr 05 10:58:38 <sixwheeledbeast> jacekowski: ^^^ how long should it take for promotion of packages devel > testing
Apr 05 10:58:52 <sixwheeledbeast> IIRC it was instant
Apr 05 11:04:17 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe is our villages local mast, it's known to cause chaos with if-fones on 3G
Apr 05 11:04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: scratchbox.org *should* be available under "213.128.137.24	 scratchbox" (which you could add to your /etc/hosts until we sorted issue with DNS for that domain)
Apr 05 11:04:37 <Apic> Thanks!
Apr 05 11:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: I just tested it and it seems that server isn't properly configured yet
Apr 05 11:05:19 <Apic> Ack
Apr 05 11:05:29 <Apic> »The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.«
Apr 05 11:07:32 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: ^^^ !!
Apr 05 11:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: ping
Apr 05 11:12:34 <raid__> does the GAuth app still work?
Apr 05 11:13:24 <raid__> I'm hesitant to try it if it locks me out of my account
Apr 05 12:20:06 <sixwheeledbeast> well re: m.o I don't think package promotion is working. Also package rating is broken, voting will not work.
Apr 05 12:26:55 <teotwaki> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/552955_10151623056038833_1167644648_n.jpg
Apr 05 12:27:07 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Fri Apr  5 09:47:00 2013
Apr 05 12:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> peb_: disable auto-away message!!
Apr 05 12:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> peb_: it's a ban'able behaviour
Apr 05 12:35:51 <sixwheeledbeast> :o
Apr 05 12:37:17 <peb_> ups ...
Apr 05 12:37:20 <DocScrutinizer05> if we want to know about anybody's away-status, we can look it up in our IRC client's userlist, or simply send a CTCP VERSION:
Apr 05 12:37:32 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-05 14:34:56] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-VERSION request to peb_.
Apr 05 12:37:33 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-05 14:34:56] [Away] peb_ is away: Gone since Fri Apr  5 09:47:00 2013
Apr 05 12:38:00 <peb_> sorry DocScrutinizer -- new install of epic4, on the old computer I had it in the .config
Apr 05 12:38:07 <DocScrutinizer05> np
Apr 05 12:38:10 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 05 12:48:43 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody with a clue about apache config around willing to help me out?
Apr 05 12:49:05 <DocScrutinizer05> please just query me
Apr 05 13:09:49 <pepper> I only toyed around with a little 2 years ago. So no not really.
Apr 05 13:23:03 <XATRIX> Any idea what do i have to install to make my handset to become visible in Windows Network Manager ?
Apr 05 13:23:11 <DocScrutinizer05> nm, turns out scratchbox is really nonstandard (for all I consider standard in a webserver, so basically a bogus notion)
Apr 05 13:23:18 <XATRIX> I mean, i've setup a tinysmb - and it works pretty well
Apr 05 13:23:26 <XATRIX> But i don't see it in list of hosts
Apr 05 13:23:36 <XATRIX> Do i also have to run winbind ?
Apr 05 13:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> first of all you need to make your N900 visible on your win machine, on a network level - I.E. so you can ping it
Apr 05 13:26:30 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 is no WLAN-AP, so either you use a dedicated AP and ping the N900 with the IP-addr it received from AP's DHCP server
Apr 05 13:26:42 <pepper> Doc, how did you setup scratchbox and where did you get the files from? Im on xubuntu 12.10 and its seems to fail at each installation attempt. 
Apr 05 13:26:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or you establish an adhoc peer-to-peer WLAN network between N900 and your PC
Apr 05 13:27:27 <DocScrutinizer05> pepper: I dunno, it's ages ago
Apr 05 13:27:31 <deepy> can the N900 host a WLAN? the non-adhoc one
Apr 05 13:27:39 <XATRIX> yes
Apr 05 13:27:47 <XATRIX> inf
Apr 05 13:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> deepy: not afaik
Apr 05 13:28:27 <pepper> aaah well thats a shame. most guides presume working repository's. and since nokia tablets is down, scratchbox is down and some maemo repos are down pretty much none of the guides work. and the manual files appear outdated or version mismatched.
Apr 05 13:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> pepper: maemo repos are all up and running
Apr 05 13:29:08 <DocScrutinizer05> for tablets-dev see:
Apr 05 13:29:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~skeiron
Apr 05 13:29:11 <infobot> skeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Apr 05 13:29:39 <DocScrutinizer05> scratchbox is what I'm just working on
Apr 05 13:29:43 <pepper> yes, I have those links, but I cannot get it to work, throwing strange errors.
Apr 05 13:30:12 <pepper> Iḿ following the http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems
Apr 05 13:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> what is throwing strange errors?
Apr 05 13:30:51 <freemangordon> pepper: wget SB debs and install by hand
Apr 05 13:31:04 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's probably depending on www.scratchbox.org which I told you I'm basically working on right ATM
Apr 05 13:31:04 <pepper> I used these first time around: http://thecust.net/nelisquare/hathor-sdk/
Apr 05 13:31:23 <freemangordon> did it a few days ago on ubuntu12.04 64bit
Apr 05 13:31:28 <pepper> but those didnt accept the nokia binaries I tried, not did it start up the nokia/N900 parts. 
Apr 05 13:31:49 <DocScrutinizer05> hi freemangordon
Apr 05 13:31:57 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hi
Apr 05 13:32:28 <pepper> now I'm trying the link you gave, scratchbox installs with dpkg - ./scratchbox-*. but when I try to add the user via the sbin/add_user casper yes the script fails. I think the SB install didnt setup path variables.
Apr 05 13:32:41 <pepper> when I echo SBOX_PATH there is nothing there.
Apr 05 13:33:11 <pepper> doc, your the maintainer for the sb website?
Apr 05 13:55:14 <XATRIX> DocScrutinizer05: what does mean OptFS ?
Apr 05 13:55:18 <XATRIX> SDcard ?
Apr 05 13:58:48 <pepper> wasnt the sd card emmc2?
Apr 05 14:01:55 <pepper> what is the correct rootstrap to use for scratchbox?
Apr 05 14:09:21 <DocScrutinizer05> pepper: no, I'm not maintainer of scratchbox website, but I try to fix some stuff on that maemo VM. I think when your sb installation doesn't behave like expected, that's probably not a fault of the install or any web server not providing any part
Apr 05 14:09:43 <DocScrutinizer05> XATRIX: I have no idea what's OptFS
Apr 05 14:10:12 <pepper> you are probably correct. which would be the correct packages to use?
Apr 05 14:11:15 <XATRIX> DocScrutinizer05: what can you say about this ? http://gsmserver.com/shop/spares/ic_chips/power_amplifiers/power_amplifier_4376047_gazoo_for_nokia_6700.php
Apr 05 14:11:25 <XATRIX> I want to solder it in :)
Apr 05 14:11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> uh?
Apr 05 14:12:24 <XATRIX> it's power amplifier
Apr 05 14:12:26 <DocScrutinizer05> gazoo is the companion chip for BB5 modem chip
Apr 05 14:12:59 <XATRIX> Yeap, it amplifies the signal up antenna
Apr 05 14:13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> afk, bbl
Apr 05 14:13:46 * XATRIX gonna upgrade his handset
Apr 05 15:42:00 <merlin1991> freemangordon: pong
Apr 05 15:42:14 <merlin1991> err sorry that was supposed to be DocScrutinizer05 pong
Apr 05 15:49:06 <DocScrutinizer05> pepper: I dunno, it's ages ago
Apr 05 15:49:30 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, sorry
Apr 05 15:50:33 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: I am about to try and get sb.m.o to a useful state. Thought you could help a bit with apache related stuff
Apr 05 15:51:06 <merlin1991> I'm better on the lighttpd side but I can at least read apache config files
Apr 05 15:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> but it seems to turn out that we're missing significant parts of original data
Apr 05 16:01:34 <Macer> http://imgur.com/gallery/Qylp3Pu
Apr 05 16:01:35 <Macer> lol
Apr 05 16:07:52 <sixwheeledbeast> Macer: not much use if you don't have windows os
Apr 05 16:11:43 <Macer> sixwheeledbeast: yeah but still :) tickled me to say the least
Apr 05 16:12:10 <sixwheeledbeast> argeed :)
Apr 05 16:12:25 <sixwheeledbeast> a/argeed/agreed/
Apr 05 16:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] repo gone down with a VIF error. We're updating kernels and need to take down blade-a with the VMs: repository, scratchbox, monitor
Apr 05 16:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for the inconvenience
Apr 05 16:31:10 <MohammadAG> what exactly is #define MCE_RADIO_STATE_NFC		(1 << 4)
Apr 05 16:31:31 <MohammadAG> or in other words, how do I use that in a shell
Apr 05 16:34:18 <NIN101> 1 << 4 = 16
Apr 05 16:36:26 <RST38h> Moo MohammadAG
Apr 05 16:36:46 <RST38h> it is a bit that shows the state of the NFC radio
Apr 05 16:36:59 <RST38h> there is probably more MCE_RADIO_STATE_* bits there, too
Apr 05 16:41:22 <MohammadAG> Moo RST38h :)
Apr 05 16:41:33 <MohammadAG> RST38h, indeed, but I don't get the << thing
Apr 05 16:41:56 <MohammadAG> NIN101, so dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_radio_states_change uint32:16 uint32:1 should work?
Apr 05 16:42:14 <RST38h> << thing is a shift
Apr 05 16:42:20 <RST38h> 1<<4 means 16
Apr 05 16:42:44 <RST38h> I do not think so
Apr 05 16:42:47 <MohammadAG> what's a shift? to the power of two?
Apr 05 16:42:50 <RST38h> yeah
Apr 05 16:42:53 <RST38h> I though you knew:)
Apr 05 16:43:17 <RST38h> Why did you put uint32:1 into that line?
Apr 05 16:43:39 <RST38h> what you need is get the current value of that variable, OR it with 16, and write it back
Apr 05 16:45:36 <MohammadAG> 23 is on, 7 is off
Apr 05 16:45:42 <MohammadAG> how, I have no idea
Apr 05 16:45:57 <RST38h> ?
Apr 05 16:46:05 <MohammadAG> signal sender=:1.4 -> dest=(null destination) serial=1938 path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=radio_states_ind
Apr 05 16:46:05 <MohammadAG>    uint32 7
Apr 05 16:46:17 <MohammadAG> I'm guessing that's the same?
Apr 05 16:46:19 <RST38h> 23 = 10111
Apr 05 16:46:24 <RST38h> 7 = 00111
Apr 05 16:46:43 <RST38h> So, yeah, 7|16 => 23
Apr 05 16:46:52 <RST38h> you are correct
Apr 05 16:47:06 <RST38h> consider the current state of that variable = 7
Apr 05 16:47:09 <MohammadAG> heh, snooping around with dbus-monitor seems easier :P
Apr 05 16:47:13 <RST38h> 7 = 00111
Apr 05 16:47:24 <MohammadAG> oh yeah, I remember this stuff
Apr 05 16:47:38 <RST38h> if you want to add 16 to that value that will be 00111 | 10000 => 10111
Apr 05 16:47:43 <RST38h> which is 23
Apr 05 16:47:48 <MohammadAG> 23|7 is 10111 right?
Apr 05 16:47:55 <RST38h> 16|7
Apr 05 16:48:01 <RST38h> 10111 = 23 decimal
Apr 05 16:48:10 <MohammadAG> and 23 AND 7 is 00111
Apr 05 16:48:20 <RST38h> of course
Apr 05 16:48:41 <MohammadAG> I remember it in some old Java book I picked up three years ago :P
Apr 05 16:49:42 <MohammadAG> now I just need to find a way to go around aegis in a shell
Apr 05 16:50:14 <RST38h> Man, you need to freshen up your boolean logic skills :)
Apr 05 16:51:17 <MohammadAG> forgive me, I've done some Android development
Apr 05 16:51:26 <RST38h> Oh, that figures =)
Apr 05 16:51:27 <MohammadAG> that ruined me for logic :P
Apr 05 16:51:43 * RST38h is doing Android development right now. Freaking Symbian, reimplemented in Java.
Apr 05 16:53:28 <MohammadAG> RST38h, I've never touched Symbian development
Apr 05 16:53:47 <MohammadAG> but I do find the environment (community and such) very very similar
Apr 05 16:53:58 <MohammadAG> I must admit I miss some parts of iOS
Apr 05 16:54:21 <RST38h> iOS is worse though
Apr 05 16:54:33 <MohammadAG> how come? I found slightly better
Apr 05 16:55:01 <RST38h> too many limitations, moonspeak instead of a widely know programming language
Apr 05 16:55:15 <RST38h> lots of cultists, many limitations in the app store
Apr 05 16:55:27 <MohammadAG> well, that's why I left iOS
Apr 05 16:55:30 <RST38h> too much emphasis on look at the cost of functionality
Apr 05 16:55:45 <MohammadAG> a jailbreak started getting harder and harder
Apr 05 16:55:50 <RST38h> Android is ugly like a horned toad, but at least it does not force you to swallow it
Apr 05 16:56:04 <MohammadAG> which meant I had to stick with iOS 5 for a while
Apr 05 16:56:09 <MohammadAG> ICS+ isn't that bad
Apr 05 16:56:16 <MohammadAG> I actually like the looks of it
Apr 05 16:56:22 <MohammadAG> hate the performance though
Apr 05 16:56:30 <RST38h> oh you can gonative
Apr 05 16:56:47 <RST38h> besides, modern android phones have got LOTS of hw performance
Apr 05 16:58:06 <MohammadAG> I have a 1.5GHz quad core phone with 2GBs of RAM
Apr 05 16:58:23 <RST38h> decent
Apr 05 16:58:23 <MohammadAG> when I complain about performance I'm talking about software :P
Apr 05 16:58:34 <RST38h> well, it is java. it has to garbage-collect.
Apr 05 16:58:47 <MohammadAG> there are some things my 1.0GHz single core 512MBs of RAM iPhone 4 could do faster
Apr 05 16:58:49 <RST38h> besides, all apps are running inside the same JVM (yeah, I know)
Apr 05 16:59:19 <MohammadAG> the Galaxy SIII was rubbish OOTB
Apr 05 16:59:21 <RST38h> One suggestion I can give is run a task manager and uninstall all apps that try running services in background
Apr 05 16:59:23 <MohammadAG> always ran out of RAM
Apr 05 16:59:29 <RST38h> I have 1GB RAM
Apr 05 16:59:36 <RST38h> it is bearable
Apr 05 16:59:52 <MohammadAG> then you run something like CyanogenMod or AOSP
Apr 05 17:00:06 <RST38h> Second suggestion - get an adware scanner, remove all apps that are actively trying to swindle you
Apr 05 17:00:36 <RST38h> Adware scanner app is called Lookout Ad Network Detector
Apr 05 17:01:00 <RST38h> Mohammad: running stock ICS from Samsung for AT&T phones
Apr 05 17:01:21 <MohammadAG> Galaxy S2?
Apr 05 17:01:41 <RST38h> Note
Apr 05 17:01:50 <MohammadAG> try an S3
Apr 05 17:02:01 <RST38h> Nah. Love my Note.
Apr 05 17:02:04 <MohammadAG> The TouchWiz framework wasn't as bloated on those
Apr 05 17:02:09 <MohammadAG> (Note, S2, etc)
Apr 05 17:02:23 <RST38h> It is pretty bloated but I killed off all the useless parts.
Apr 05 17:02:28 <MohammadAG> The S3 and Note 2 TW framework is much better feature wise, but sucks a lot of performance
Apr 05 17:02:38 <MohammadAG> you can't kill a framework :P
Apr 05 17:02:39 <RST38h> Samsung's email and file manager are quite good though, usable
Apr 05 17:03:09 <MohammadAG> an AOSP device can have about 200MBs of RAM used at startup
Apr 05 17:03:19 <MohammadAG> S3 -> 570/879 or something
Apr 05 17:03:25 <MohammadAG> so you get about 300MBs of RAM
Apr 05 17:03:43 <RST38h> I know
Apr 05 17:03:55 <RST38h> But you can free up some ram
Apr 05 17:04:04 <RST38h> Try killing off their Social Hub
Apr 05 17:04:14 <RST38h> And a few other packages
Apr 05 17:04:28 <MohammadAG> I killed all the hubs on my S3
Apr 05 17:04:36 <RST38h> Samsung's own app store is better gone than not
Apr 05 17:04:36 <MohammadAG> talkback, OTA, too
Apr 05 17:04:40 <RST38h> Yeah
Apr 05 17:04:57 <RST38h> Kill Kies, useless piece of shit
Apr 05 17:05:00 <MohammadAG> though at some point, the S3 decides to sink with those ships
Apr 05 17:05:08 <MohammadAG> killed itself
Apr 05 17:05:14 <RST38h> Dunno, Note works fine
Apr 05 17:05:25 <MohammadAG> nah, it was a hardware problem
Apr 05 17:05:29 <RST38h> One thing I have found NOT to uninstall was Yellow Pages app
Apr 05 17:05:45 <RST38h> It integrates with the address book where Samsung HARDWIRED an entry for that app
Apr 05 17:05:55 <MohammadAG> I guy at a shop was convinced I was stupid and offered to swap it with a Note 2 for about 100 bucks
Apr 05 17:05:56 <RST38h> So if you delete the app and click on that entry, address book crashes
Apr 05 17:06:13 <RST38h> Oh, go with Note 2, it is good :)
Apr 05 17:06:18 <MohammadAG> I did
Apr 05 17:06:25 <MohammadAG> this was in January or something
Apr 05 17:06:39 <MohammadAG> the S3 needed the 2GBs of RAM
Apr 05 17:06:42 <RST38h> I was offered a swap for $600, told them to go where sun does not shine
Apr 05 17:06:57 <MohammadAG> that's why I advise people to get a GT-i9305 if they want an S3
Apr 05 17:07:11 <MohammadAG> that's the European LTE model, same CPU, LTE, and 2GBs of RAM
Apr 05 17:07:30 <MohammadAG> unlike the crippled American LTE one, dual core CPU and a shitty DAC
Apr 05 17:07:41 <RST38h> Well I do not have a choice here =(
Apr 05 17:07:56 <RST38h> AT&T likes holding its customers by the balls
Apr 05 17:43:56 <JZA> hi everyone
Apr 05 17:51:10 <DocScrutinizer05> MCC meeting in 10 minutes
Apr 05 17:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> this will/shall be one of the more important ones
Apr 05 17:54:26 <Drathir> hi
Apr 05 17:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> MCC meeting in 1 minutes
Apr 05 17:59:56 <JZA> wow intresting.
Apr 05 18:00:04 <JZA> I'll hang around for the meeting.
Apr 05 18:00:11 <JZA> if thats ok
Apr 05 18:00:46 <MentalistTraceur> Yeah, completely okay.
Apr 05 18:01:04 <MentalistTraceur> Meetings are public. (Assuming we're talking about council meeting?)
Apr 05 18:01:38 <Drathir> btw ad-hoc connection on n900 with wep encryption dont working...
Apr 05 18:10:27 <raid__> that's awesome how you all still use your n900's too
Apr 05 18:12:37 <kerio> well, there's not a lot of alternative, is there
Apr 05 18:12:50 <raid__> no
Apr 05 18:13:30 <raid__> it's sad
Apr 05 18:13:35 <JZA> I do 
Apr 05 18:14:19 <JZA> my n900 is very slow, and not sure why
Apr 05 18:14:52 <JZA> it used to be fast when I freshly install, but this slow downs incrementally, is like a windows pc
Apr 05 18:15:06 <raid__> JZA: well what did you do to it?
Apr 05 18:15:20 <raid__> JZA: when did it get slow?
Apr 05 18:15:23 <JZA> nothing, thats the point.
Apr 05 18:15:44 <sixwheeledbeast> JZA: Swap fragmention? unstable packages? 
Apr 05 18:15:45 <JZA> its just get incrementally slow from the last install, is like a memory leak.
Apr 05 18:15:47 <JZA> nope
Apr 05 18:16:27 <sixwheeledbeast> top output showing high cpu process?
Apr 05 18:17:20 <raid__> JZA: check installed packages, especially daemons
Apr 05 18:18:37 <Drathir> JZA: htop iotop
Apr 05 18:19:01 <sixwheeledbeast> yep daemons and widgetz killers
Apr 05 18:19:09 <sixwheeledbeast> powertop :)
Apr 05 18:19:29 <JZA> also the indexing of music is becoming very sluggish get a lot of "no songs found"
Apr 05 18:19:34 <Drathir> sixwheeledbeast: too
Apr 05 18:20:07 <Drathir> fsck from backup menu
Apr 05 18:23:17 <raid__> never smoke spice
Apr 05 18:34:10 <LokiChaos> Is it possible to change the 16 ANSI terminal colours in osso-xterm (which I know is really vte based not true xterm)?  (if this is not the best place for this inquiry, feel free to direct me to that place)
Apr 05 18:49:57 <Sysaxed> is there any way to make a bluetooth call from one n900 to another?
Apr 05 18:59:21 <Sysaxed> hhmmmm?
Apr 05 19:06:46 <Sysaxed> sounds like a no... then another question - is it going to be possible to install ubuntu touch on n900? :)
Apr 05 19:09:08 <sixwheeledbeast> Sysaxed: #maemo-meeting is in progress so probably wrong time to ask
Apr 05 19:09:26 <Sysaxed> sixwheeledbeast: :) thanks for letting me know
Apr 05 19:10:02 <sixwheeledbeast> Sysaxed: can't have you typing to yourself can we :)
Apr 05 19:22:22 <Drathir> sixwheeledbeast: private channel only?
Apr 05 19:22:36 <MentalistTraceur> In #maemo-meeting
Apr 05 19:22:40 <sixwheeledbeast> eh?
Apr 05 19:22:50 <Drathir> MentalistTraceur: yes
Apr 05 19:22:50 <MentalistTraceur> If you mean council meeting.
Apr 05 19:22:56 <MentalistTraceur> No, not private.
Apr 05 19:23:03 <MentalistTraceur> It's open to everyone.
Apr 05 19:23:07 <Drathir> ok thanks
Apr 05 19:30:26 <JZA> oh I didnt know it was on a different channel
Apr 05 19:31:47 <Drathir> btw bt calls i think should be useless...
Apr 05 19:32:43 <Drathir> to short distance, other things is bt chat thats can be usefull...
Apr 05 19:37:17 <Sysaxed> Drathir: how long is that "short distance" ?
Apr 05 19:38:38 <sixwheeledbeast> I suggest you read backscroll if you haven't already http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/
Apr 05 19:38:58 <Drathir> Sysaxed: i think 10 m but mutt check spec.
Apr 05 19:39:21 <Drathir> must*
Apr 05 19:42:33 <Sysaxed> Drathir: well, even 10 meters is enough for me. The point is that when you're cycling with somebody you often can't hear anything if another person is in front...
Apr 05 19:45:33 <Drathir> in spec is bluetooth 2.1 not 3.0
Apr 05 19:49:11 <Drathir> transfer rate of data is 2-3mb is enough i think but dont know about delay...
Apr 05 19:49:56 <Drathir> i think better will be hot spot and somthing like teamspeak on phone...
Apr 05 19:50:23 <Drathir> or asterisk...
Apr 05 19:50:28 <Sysaxed> asterisk?
Apr 05 19:50:48 <Drathir> setup local voip
Apr 05 19:50:53 <Sysaxed> oh..
Apr 05 19:51:08 <Sysaxed> are bluetooth headphones supported in n900?
Apr 05 19:51:29 <Sysaxed> this way I can redirect mic to speakers and then configure two headphones to work :)))
Apr 05 19:51:36 <sixwheeledbeast> why not PMR's?
Apr 05 19:51:43 <Drathir> but all this can be a power drain highly
Apr 05 19:51:56 <Sysaxed> PMR?
Apr 05 19:52:24 <Sysaxed> I don't think that bluetooth is going to drain battery faster than wifi
Apr 05 19:52:40 <sixwheeledbeast> ~wiki Professional mobile radio
Apr 05 19:52:44 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_mobile_radio (URL), Wikipedia explains: " HT1000 hand-held two-way radio]] 'Professional mobile radio' (also known as 'private mobile radio' ('PMR') in the UK and 'land mobile radio' ('LMR') in North America) are field radio communications systems which use portable, mobile, base station, and dispatch console radios. Operation of PMR radio equipment is based on such standards as MPT-1327, TETRA, APCO 25, and ...
Apr 05 19:53:18 <Drathir> drain a lot too... in bt 3.0 they going to pover save mode
Apr 05 19:53:29 <Sysaxed> sixwheeledbeast: is it easy to find some of these cheap?
Apr 05 19:54:13 <Drathir> 10m use power of transmition 2.5mW 
Apr 05 19:54:17 <Sysaxed> and especially a model where you can plug headphones with a mic...
Apr 05 19:54:22 <sixwheeledbeast> Sysaxed: in UK they are stupidly cheap and designed for ~5km no license required
Apr 05 19:54:35 <Sysaxed> sixwheeledbeast: wow :O
Apr 05 19:54:44 <sixwheeledbeast> some even have VOX
Apr 05 19:55:06 <Drathir> or in proffesional use TETRA
Apr 05 19:56:11 <Sysaxed> they're too big.. remember I want to use it for cycling :)
Apr 05 19:56:46 <Drathir> the best will be PTT
Apr 05 19:57:32 <Drathir> or skype/jabber if iternet conn free
Apr 05 19:57:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Sysaxed: I had these, now discontinued http://www.amazon.co.uk/Binatone-MR600-2-Way-Radio-Twin/dp/B0002GD4VO
Apr 05 19:58:13 <Sysaxed> Drathir: no internet connection
Apr 05 22:28:16 <DocScrutinizer05> community, please notice draft http://privatepaste.com/d5fafa9669 which we gonna announce officially tomorrow. feedback solicited over at #maemo-meeting
Apr 05 23:22:37 <stardiviner> Is there a way to sync N900 contacts with Google contacts ? 
Apr 05 23:23:26 <MentalistTraceur> stardiviner: As far as I know no. Admittedly I could be wrong, as I've never wanted to do so.
Apr 06 01:39:15 <stardiviner> MentalistTraceur: why ?
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