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Apr 07 07:43:32 <sixwheeledbeast> I agree with Doc ^^^. It benefits maemo more to commit to repairing/bettering core system applications than making an optional application. However I didn't know it was FOSS
Apr 07 07:50:58 <sixwheeledbeast> wikiedits karma seems repaired :)
Apr 07 07:57:44 <raid_> i'm a developer. i'm trying to start developing for linux. what irc channel can i get general information about it in?
Apr 07 07:58:50 <raid_> besides this one
Apr 07 08:00:49 <sixwheeledbeast> raid_: linux, maemo or both, what language?
Apr 07 08:01:09 <raid_> linux c++
Apr 07 08:01:56 <raid_> not maemo. maemo is nice that i can relate most of what i learn over to it
Apr 07 08:02:51 <raid_> sixwheeledbeast: ^
Apr 07 08:03:05 <sixwheeledbeast> raid
Apr 07 08:03:10 <sixwheeledbeast> mompls
Apr 07 08:03:18 <Hurrian> raid_: learn about the POSIX standard, linuxisms and stupid shit glibc does.
Apr 07 08:04:12 <Hurrian> oh and unless you're doing things that need direct hardware access such as ioctls, your program must run on all Unix-likes without major refactoring.
Apr 07 08:07:55 <raid_> Hurrian: i'm going to be using boost or qt for abstraction, but i need to learn the mantra for even setting up a project properly
Apr 07 08:08:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ping
Apr 07 08:08:30 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 07 08:08:44 <Hurrian> raid_, well, that's pretty cross-platform. Qt Designer has most of what you need.
Apr 07 08:10:28 <raid_> Hurrian: is that the same as qt creator?
Apr 07 08:11:02 <Hurrian> whoops, meant that. Qt Designer is the graphical design tools.
Apr 07 08:11:02 <raid_> Hurrian: does it setup the makefile and deb files?
Apr 07 08:11:09 <sixwheeledbeast> raid_: I am no "developer" but I have used Qt. Qt Creator is the lot, designer is only GUI tools
Apr 07 08:11:29 <Hurrian> raid_: Qt Creator has integration with packaging tools.
Apr 07 08:13:02 <raid_> obviously, users will want to be able to build from source, so i'll to set up a makefile, but i'm not sure if i have to do that by hand or what
Apr 07 08:13:15 <Hurrian> (IIRC the integration is for Maemo, but target the x86/whatever architecture and no one's the wiser ;)
Apr 07 08:13:31 <raid_> if i don't use Qt, then what would i use?
Apr 07 08:13:52 <Hurrian> raid_: The buildable project has a .pro file that users can use to make the program themselves.
Apr 07 08:13:59 <Hurrian> No idea if Qt can spit out makefiles.
Apr 07 08:14:20 <raid_> would CodeBlocks fully set me up automatically
Apr 07 08:15:07 <raid_> i better check them out
Apr 07 08:15:12 <raid_> Hurrian: thanks
Apr 07 09:08:11 <Apic> Happy Boomtime.
Apr 07 09:33:59 <XATRIX> Guys, can you tell me which software can i use to be able to work with smb shares over network ?
Apr 07 09:34:16 <Apic> samba
Apr 07 09:34:18 <XATRIX> I can't open any network locations from my maemo file manager
Apr 07 09:34:26 <XATRIX> I need some GUI
Apr 07 11:08:01 <luf> XATRIX: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38536&page=2
Apr 07 11:08:35 <luf> It seems to late but maybe you'll take a look into history log
Apr 07 12:40:14 <jiero> hi, my n900 have a problem: cannot send/receive SMS.
Apr 07 12:41:30 <sixwheeledbeast> jiero: have you proved it's the N900 and not the SIM? 
Apr 07 12:42:28 <Drathir> jiero: network is avaible?
Apr 07 12:42:48 <jiero> Drathir:  I tried make a call and all works fine.
Apr 07 12:42:56 <jiero> sixwheeledbeast:  I don't have another cellphone.
Apr 07 12:43:09 <sixwheeledbeast> jiero: calls ok?
Apr 07 12:43:17 <jiero> except, wifi not working
Apr 07 12:43:57 <jiero> sixwheeledbeast:  yes, I make several calls today
Apr 07 12:44:37 <sixwheeledbeast> Im's work? persist a reboot?
Apr 07 12:45:02 <jiero> Is it possible a bug because I enabled extra-devel repository?
Apr 07 12:45:42 <jiero> switched off and it still cannot receive any message from Operator. maybe their problem\
Apr 07 12:45:51 <sixwheeledbeast> jiero: depends if you have installed anything
Apr 07 12:46:22 <jiero> don't remember what I removed :( that may cause trouble
Apr 07 12:48:19 <jiero> is there a way to disable SMS?
Apr 07 12:49:43 <sixwheeledbeast> can you view old messages?
Apr 07 12:50:09 <jiero> sixwheeledbeast: yes, I can see.
Apr 07 12:50:24 <jiero> oh, it require the lost lock code...
Apr 07 12:51:00 <sixwheeledbeast> er
Apr 07 12:55:30 <jiero> probably I'm going to reflash it...
Apr 07 12:55:37 <jiero> backup and go...
Apr 07 12:56:37 <jiero> thank you sixwheeledbeast  Drathir 
Apr 07 12:56:39 <jiero> bye
Apr 07 13:04:43 <kerio> hm, why doesn't i2c-tools on extras-devel include python-smbus?
Apr 07 13:06:24 <kerio> MohammadAG: ^
Apr 07 13:06:40 <kerio> not in the same package, mind you, but the upstream source package can build that package too
Apr 07 13:08:32 <kerio> although the python situation isn't exactly clear, on the n900 :s
Apr 07 13:24:10 <MohammadAG> kerio: not sure, I just made a simple package for hostmode
Apr 07 13:24:45 <kerio> MohammadAG: in your source, there's the directory that contains the source to the python module
Apr 07 13:25:22 <kerio> idk if autobuilder can build python extensions
Apr 07 14:17:30 <Drathir> smscenter problem?
Apr 07 14:18:53 <sixwheeledbeast> jiero's gone... it could be lots of thing's
Apr 07 14:23:57 <Drathir> sixwheeledbeast: yes true but really dont like unsloved cases, to mysterous???
Apr 07 14:24:47 <Drathir> better always known the reason of behaviours...
Apr 07 14:24:55 <sixwheeledbeast> Drathir: likewise but more information was required to diagnose
Apr 07 14:30:05 <DocScrutinizer05> to those who may wonder: woody is well and probably back by Monday
Apr 07 14:32:47 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: iirc autobuilder and lang bindings for py etc always been a PITA 
Apr 07 14:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: also iirc all stuff that's used in autobuilder's gear is pretty hard to build to a different version than that used in autobuilder
Apr 07 14:34:39 <DocScrutinizer05> kinda like apt-get install apt-get
Apr 07 18:42:52 <XATRIX> Any idea what to use to explore smb shares in GUI ?
Apr 07 18:43:04 <XATRIX> Maybe some plugins/addons to file manager ?
Apr 07 19:01:34 <OkropNick> Hi. Does anyone know, how to lock device after locking screen on N900?
Apr 07 19:03:36 <cehteh> manually?
Apr 07 19:04:11 <OkropNick> please send memessage if someone know... thanks in advance.
Apr 07 19:04:32 <cehteh> heh
Apr 07 19:05:01 <cehteh> what do you exactl want?
Apr 07 19:20:41 <discopig> hi
Apr 07 19:41:16 <raid_> is there a google authenticator app for the n900?
Apr 07 19:43:50 <freemangordon> ~mirrors
Apr 07 19:43:52 <infobot> it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new
Apr 07 20:00:35 <wxcafe> "it has been said" ^^
Apr 07 21:50:39 <entitled> has anyone ever sanded their N900 display? 
Apr 07 21:51:53 <entitled> just wondering if I'll screw up the digitizer
Apr 07 21:52:20 <cehteh> sanding the display? wtf
Apr 07 21:52:35 <entitled> well the plastic in front of it
Apr 07 21:52:42 <entitled> to get rid of the scratches
Apr 07 21:52:53 <cehteh> polishing you mean then
Apr 07 21:53:12 * cehteh uses a screen protector
Apr 07 21:53:49 <entitled> well, yeah. but I have to start from 800 or something grittiness
Apr 07 21:53:53 <cehteh> the front is plastic and thats already part of the digitizer
Apr 07 21:54:09 <cehteh> such deep scratches?
Apr 07 21:54:46 <cehteh> may work, but prolly wont, better live with the scratches or try to get a replacement digitizer
Apr 07 21:54:55 <entitled> well I accidently burned the display with a cigarette
Apr 07 21:55:00 <cehteh> and next time use a screen protector
Apr 07 21:55:19 <entitled> not really visible expect in light, but is annoyance when using stylus or even finger
Apr 07 21:55:41 <entitled> the chinese digitizers are crap :/
Apr 07 21:55:54 <entitled> I do have one spare n900 that suffered water damage
Apr 07 21:56:21 <cehteh> hah you dont have much luck with your n900 .. water, fire .. whats next?
Apr 07 21:56:31 <entitled> If I don't find a solution to get rid of oxidation from the components, I'll use that one
Apr 07 21:56:40 <entitled> well it'+ my friend's old n900
Apr 07 21:57:24 <cehteh> i'd be very carful with polishing, at least dont use a machine which makes it hot
Apr 07 21:58:11 <entitled> was planning to it by hand
Apr 07 21:58:25 <cehteh> the conductive layer is below the foil, but still you prolly never get a surface as it once was, if it even works
Apr 07 21:58:50 <cehteh> i never heared about someone attempting to polish it
Apr 07 21:59:04 <entitled> 800 > 1000 > 1500 > 2000 > 2500
Apr 07 21:59:17 <entitled> well I'll be sure to document it if I do it :p
Apr 07 22:00:17 <cehteh> start with 1000 or even 1500 .. if that doesnt work you can go back to 800
Apr 07 22:00:48 <entitled> true
Apr 07 22:15:52 <sixwheeled|away> OkropNick: Do you want to secure the device and lock the screen at the same time?
Apr 07 22:19:45 <OkropNick> sixwheeledbeast: yes
Apr 07 22:20:29 <sixwheeledbeast> OkropNick: Do you know your lock code?
Apr 07 22:20:44 <OkropNick> sixwheeledbeast: yes
Apr 07 22:22:48 <sixwheeledbeast> you can device lock after a period of time, or dbus both commands with a script
Apr 07 22:22:49 <cehteh> OkropNick: in settings there is a 'security' setting where you can set the timeout .. iirc 5min is the shortest time, but possibly you can configure it shorter somewhere (gconf prolly)
Apr 07 22:23:23 <cehteh> if that does not work there is this dbus-event daemon, i use it to lock the device when certain apps are started, works nicely
Apr 07 22:24:54 <DocScrutinizer05> # Time before the device shuts down automatically from
Apr 07 22:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> # the shutdown query (shown when cancel is pressed in device lock),
Apr 07 22:24:57 <DocScrutinizer05> # 0 to disable the timeout
Apr 07 22:24:59 <DocScrutinizer05> #
Apr 07 22:25:00 <DocScrutinizer05> # Timeout in seconds, default 0 (disable timeout)
Apr 07 22:25:02 <DocScrutinizer05> DevLockShutdownTimeout=0
Apr 07 22:25:05 <DocScrutinizer05> /etc/mce/mce.ini
Apr 07 22:25:10 <DocScrutinizer05> might be related
Apr 07 22:25:26 <DocScrutinizer05> oops nope
Apr 07 22:25:28 <OkropNick> thank you :)
Apr 07 22:26:43 <sixwheeledbeast> OkropNick: I wanted the same feature so I added this to my "tenminutecore" app, with an option to set silent too. Handy for lockers at the indoor bouldering centre.
Apr 07 22:33:24 <DocScrutinizer05> in gconftool the key /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/autolock_period   (= 1000)  seems related
Apr 07 22:33:59 <DocScrutinizer05>     /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock:
Apr 07 22:34:00 <DocScrutinizer05>      orig_device_lock = true
Apr 07 22:34:02 <DocScrutinizer05>      device_lock = false
Apr 07 22:34:03 <DocScrutinizer05>      autolock_period = 1000
Apr 07 22:34:05 <DocScrutinizer05>      orig_autolock_period = 5
Apr 07 22:34:06 <DocScrutinizer05>      appletactive = false
Apr 08 00:59:55 <Drathir> ~OC
Apr 08 00:59:57 <infobot> hmm... oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s
Apr 08 01:00:28 <Drathir> ~n900 OC
Apr 08 01:01:28 <Drathir> ~overclocking
Apr 08 01:01:28 <infobot> "OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"
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