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Apr 12 03:03:16 <Macer> hm
Apr 12 03:03:27 <Macer> where are the tmobile us fmms settings?
Apr 12 03:04:27 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: do you know where i can find tmobile us fmms settings?
Apr 12 03:06:59 <Macer> oh
Apr 12 03:07:11 <Macer> nm
Apr 12 03:07:12 <Macer> odd
Apr 12 05:25:13 <Macer> is there some type of method to get to the task manager?
Apr 12 05:25:26 <Macer> fmobi doesnt have a way to leave it 
Apr 12 05:25:34 <Macer> :-/
Apr 12 05:25:59 <Macer> like is there some button set to get to the task manager like a home button?
Apr 12 05:29:28 <discopig> hi
Apr 12 05:31:35 <bef0rd_> Macer: yes
Apr 12 05:31:52 <bef0rd_> ctrl + backspace I think
Apr 12 05:31:58 <bef0rd_> sym + backspace
Apr 12 05:32:02 <bef0rd_> can't remember the label
Apr 12 05:32:06 <bef0rd_> top corner buttons
Apr 12 05:33:11 <Macer> ah ok thanks
Apr 12 05:33:32 <Macer> how weird fmobi doesnt have an option for this
Apr 12 05:33:45 <bef0rd_> just checked my n900, I was right both times :P ctrl/sym is the same button
Apr 12 05:33:46 <Macer> all you can do is exit lol
Apr 12 05:33:55 <Macer> yeah
Apr 12 05:34:02 <Macer> it worked ... thanks
Apr 12 05:34:05 <bef0rd_> yea, it's a well "known" feature
Apr 12 05:34:10 <Macer> just never had to do it heh
Apr 12 05:34:12 <bef0rd_> same for opening xterm
Apr 12 05:34:27 <Macer> opening xterm?
Apr 12 05:34:51 <bef0rd_> ctrl shift x
Apr 12 05:34:56 <bef0rd_> it's a bit hard to do it
Apr 12 05:35:43 <Macer> haha
Apr 12 05:35:58 <Macer> yeah but this fmobi thing is irritating :)
Apr 12 05:36:12 <Macer> it runs full screen without a window swapping method
Apr 12 05:37:52 <Macer> weird
Apr 12 05:37:53 <Macer> ah well. thanks
Apr 12 07:40:08 <XATRIX> Hi guys, where is the howto on how to upgrade libflash plugin to more recent version ?
Apr 12 07:54:29 <Macer> the saga continues
Apr 12 07:54:33 <Macer> eheh
Apr 12 08:36:08 <louigi> hey fellas! my N900 for ages does not connect to GPS. I still have Nokia server in settings. Should I change it to smth else?
Apr 12 08:39:28 <freemangordon> louigi: supl.google.com
Apr 12 08:45:24 <louigi> freemangordon, thank you!
Apr 12 09:27:43 <ShadowJK> heh, I have supl.nokia and gps connects for me, though it does take about 20s in car
Apr 12 09:32:10 <thedead1440> i've always wondered about supl.nokia.com on N900 since the same works on Harmattan...
Apr 12 09:36:24 <ShadowJK> Well, N810 agps stopped working a couple years before n900 too
Apr 12 09:38:17 <jacekowski> what is it set to on new wp phones?
Apr 12 11:38:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen Woody14619
Apr 12 11:38:43 <infobot> woody14619 <~Woody@Maemo/community/contributor/Woody14619> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 10h 40s ago, saying: 'Good luck Maemo community.  See you when I get back. :)'.
Apr 12 11:39:30 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-07 13:12:21] <-- Woody14619 has left this server (Quit: irc on the n900 is functional, but tiny. :P).
Apr 12 11:42:02 <Drathir> irssi works great...
Apr 12 11:43:10 <DocScrutinizer05> my last two posts were about woody though, not about IRC
Apr 12 11:43:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm concerned about his well-being
Apr 12 11:45:20 <Drathir> yes, yes that about quit msg i think tiny is good...
Apr 12 11:46:26 <Drathir> btw chroot archlinux inside maemo grow the power much more apps avaible in this mode...
Apr 12 11:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> woody had a surgery on Friday, on Sunday he queried me with (among other): [2013-04-07 13:11:28] <Woody14619> should be back on my feet, at work, & at 80 to 90%ish by Monday.
Apr 12 11:47:17 <DocScrutinizer05> since then no woody showing up anywhere
Apr 12 11:49:55 <Drathir> i wish good luck with rehability, and fast recoovery to health,i think is allright with him?
Apr 12 11:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> that's my worry
Apr 12 11:51:33 <Drathir> maybe only dont have acces to network :/
Apr 12 11:51:58 <DocScrutinizer05> he evidently had, on sunday
Apr 12 11:52:33 * Drathir hate situation when dont have contact with person which know and must waiting for message what happening that time is horrible...
Apr 12 11:53:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and by all reasonable estimations he should be sitting at home at very least, since monday or tuesday
Apr 12 11:54:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm seriously worried
Apr 12 12:01:17 <Drathir> one idea maybe he must stay in bed and cant use PC/ cant walk much or must lie... sadly one we can do is waiting... :/
Apr 12 12:07:51 <Drathir> lie i mean stay in bed*
Apr 12 12:08:32 <tanago> you mean lay
Apr 12 12:50:22 <Drathir> tanago: yea maybe right too, lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true...
Apr 12 12:51:59 <teotwaki> what the?
Apr 12 12:52:21 <teotwaki> Is a Dalek attempting to discuss philosophy?
Apr 12 14:32:37 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: eh?
Apr 12 14:33:19 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: -ECHAN?
Apr 12 14:33:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wtf dalek
Apr 12 14:33:30 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what dalek means... 
Apr 12 14:34:05 <teotwaki> -ECHAN?
Apr 12 14:34:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, -EGIBBERISH
Apr 12 14:35:36 <teotwaki> Dalek, big bad guys from Dr Who?
Apr 12 14:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or, to help you out in case it's too compressed data for you: WTF are you saying? you lost me on your last 2 posts
Apr 12 14:36:04 <teotwaki> <Drathir> tanago: yea maybe right too, lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true...
Apr 12 14:36:04 <teotwaki> <teotwaki> what the?
Apr 12 14:36:04 <teotwaki> <teotwaki> Is a Dalek attempting to discuss philosophy?
Apr 12 14:36:19 <teotwaki> "lied if good also can mean don't say a true"
Apr 12 14:36:24 <teotwaki> that made my logic parser coredump.
Apr 12 14:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehehe
Apr 12 14:36:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir has a strange french sometimes ;-D
Apr 12 14:37:46 <DocScrutinizer05> he meant "Oh you're probably right. 'lie' means 'not say the truth' and thus is not the same as 'lay'"
Apr 12 14:38:46 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-12 14:01:17] <Drathir> one idea maybe he must stay in bed and cant use PC/ cant walk much or must lie... sadly one we can do is waiting... :/
Apr 12 14:39:26 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-12 14:08:32] <tanago> you mean lay
Apr 12 14:40:37 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: a "-C 5" parameter would fix your parser issue
Apr 12 14:41:30 <teotwaki> Drathir: are you related to Kerthan, by any chance?
Apr 12 14:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen kerthan
Apr 12 14:42:53 <infobot> i haven't seen 'kerthan', DocScrutinizer05
Apr 12 14:42:57 <teotwaki> ~seen khertan
Apr 12 14:42:59 <infobot> khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-554-1-39-46.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 30d 7h 44m 10s ago, saying: 'coderus, i'm trying to open my apps, on a special qml page to respond to a user click on an url bitcoin:abitcoinaddress in the browser'.
Apr 12 14:43:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir is ~kamiljk8@s51.linuxpl.com
Apr 12 14:44:24 <Drathir> teotwaki: no, i dont... 
Apr 12 14:45:45 <DocScrutinizer05> btw he said >> lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true<<
Apr 12 14:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> >>if good remember<< == IIRC
Apr 12 14:47:19 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: yes you have a right...
Apr 12 14:47:52 <DocScrutinizer05> don't blame teotwaki, he's a spelling and grammar nazi ;-D
Apr 12 15:17:39 <teotwaki> how dare you use such an insult, DocScrutinizer05
Apr 12 15:18:14 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: I'm a spazzi, or grazzi, according to Wernher Von Braun.
Apr 12 15:18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah ok :-)
Apr 12 15:19:22 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: i dont blame teotwaki i even cant think that way... i appreciate when someone correct my poor phrase, because only that i can still learn about new things, if noone say a word i even dont know that not look well... i dont sure if i good remember that lie is correct word, and someone missunderstand me and think about lie word bad side, anyway i also dont know about lay word which is safer to use what i see and dont have second bad mark...
Apr 12 15:19:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, my english also isn't perfect
Apr 12 15:19:54 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio
Apr 12 15:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: sure, no problem
Apr 12 15:22:15 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: I actually appreciate you posting here despite you know your english isn't that perfect. As long as others can (usually ;-D) parse it, it's a better approach than the oapproach of those who are too shy to post anything at all
Apr 12 15:23:39 <kerio> Drathir: also, you won't learn a language without /using/ it
Apr 12 15:23:48 <kerio> and using it involves making mistakes
Apr 12 15:25:31 <DocScrutinizer05> and don't hope for too much about learning correct English in IRC ;-)
Apr 12 15:25:43 <ManoftheSea> I'm an english native-speaker.  I advocate using other languages, because English is horrible.
Apr 12 15:25:45 <kerio> well, if you can look past the abbreviations...
Apr 12 15:25:56 <ManoftheSea> We steal from the french, from the germans, from latin and greek...
Apr 12 15:25:58 <DocScrutinizer05> probably teotwaki can explain to you why that's a futile idea
Apr 12 15:26:39 <kerio> i'm an italian native-speaker, i advocate learning italian, because then you can read dante alighieri's divina commedia, which is fucking sweet
Apr 12 15:27:07 <teotwaki> Yeah, because that's never been translated :P
Apr 12 15:27:09 <kerio> also, you pronouce words as you write them
Apr 12 15:27:33 <kerio> >implying a translation of poetry is even remotely as good as the original
Apr 12 15:27:46 <teotwaki> That's like saying you need to learn russian to appreciate Dostoyevsky's genius, which is ridiculous.
Apr 12 15:27:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I always found in Italian you don't even pronounce *letters* as you write them ;-D
Apr 12 15:28:08 <ManoftheSea> ciao: chow
Apr 12 15:28:35 <ManoftheSea> see-yow
Apr 12 15:29:02 <kerio> teotwaki: that's not poetry, though
Apr 12 15:29:52 <DocScrutinizer05> thank God it's Friday, eh?
Apr 12 15:30:33 <ShadowJK> is that like Vogon poetry?
Apr 12 15:31:09 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what became of good old traditional Friday afternoon lengthy off-topic discussions. They somehow got oldfashioned during last 2 or 3 years
Apr 12 15:31:38 <Drathir> kerio: yes that true, using it is the fast way what i hear too in the people live in countries speaking native english... i only lern it at school few few years ago, and now only irc or some of games chat, but there is difference between irc speaking...
Apr 12 15:32:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't learn English on IRC
Apr 12 15:33:01 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no English on IRC ;-)
Apr 12 15:33:35 <teotwaki> kerio: Monsieur, cette manière est toujours délicate, Et sur ce bel esprit nous aimons qu'on nous en flatte; mais un jour, a quelqu'un dont je tairai le nom, je disais, en voyant des vers de sa façon, qu'il faut qu'un galant homme ait toujours grand empire sur les démangeaisons qui nous prennent d'écrire.
Apr 12 15:33:38 <ManoftheSea> I'm American
Apr 12 15:33:55 <kerio> sorry, i can't french
Apr 12 15:34:02 <teotwaki> kerio: Qu'il doit tenir la bride aux grands empressements, qu'on a de faire éclat de tels amusements; et que, par la chaleur de montrer ses ouvrages, on s'expose à jour de mauvais personnages. :)
Apr 12 15:34:28 <DocScrutinizer05> read english books, or magazines (I read Byte magazine each english lesson at school. Once the teacher checked what I'm reading he ignored it as an alternative way that's related to what he's trying to teach us)
Apr 12 15:34:41 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: what i hear about english learn- the tru is that native americans less know prime rules than other nationality ppl arrive to country, but only hear that...
Apr 12 15:34:58 <ManoftheSea> teotwaki: run-on sentence much?  le phrase, il se marche.
Apr 12 15:34:59 <teotwaki> That's a shame, because that stuff rolls off the tongue like a melting caramel sweet.
Apr 12 15:35:10 <teotwaki> ManoftheSea: please don't google translate.
Apr 12 15:35:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: average US Joe knows ~ 500 words
Apr 12 15:35:34 <kerio> haha
Apr 12 15:35:40 <ManoftheSea> teotwaki: Well, it's the equivalent.  I actually did study some french.
Apr 12 15:35:51 <teotwaki> ManoftheSea: this is dialogue, written from memory, I truthfully couldn't recall the proper punctuation marks :)
Apr 12 15:36:09 <teotwaki> dialogue, as in "monologue from a single person".
Apr 12 15:36:33 <ManoftheSea> um... monologue already means "one person speaking".
Apr 12 15:36:47 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: though i'm supposed to know all the words in your french posting, the meaning falls into pieces while I parse that sentence
Apr 12 15:37:20 <teotwaki> C'est un parleur étrange et qui trouve toujours... l'art de ne vous rien dire avec de grands discours; dans les propos qu'il tient, on ne voit jamais goutte, et ce n'est que du bruit que tout ce qu'on écoute.
Apr 12 15:37:56 <teotwaki> Basically, it's a rant about a guy who keeps on talking, and even though the words he uses fit correctly together, they don't mean much. People, impressed by the vocabulary, shocked by the audacity, slowly begin to realise that they only hear noise, with absolutely no signal.
Apr 12 15:38:28 <ManoftheSea> It seems to have rhythm and rhyme.
Apr 12 15:38:55 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and that second sentence even made a cloudy sense to me
Apr 12 15:38:56 <teotwaki> Oh it definitely does, it's from the greatest dialogists of all time (or at least, in the French realm), Molière.
Apr 12 15:39:27 <ManoftheSea> That's who I was trying to remember.
Apr 12 15:39:37 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't change my ability to parse it and make sense of it
Apr 12 15:39:57 <Drathir> in russian bye if good remember write poka or paka light for or official doswiedania russian inside poland is more popular on older ppl...
Apr 12 15:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> usually french syntax and grammar breaks my wetware microcode and causes a exception
Apr 12 15:41:07 <teotwaki> There's a guy, completely nuts, Fabrice Luchini, who is our contemporary master in reciting Céline or Molière. He is capable of quoting hours and hours of poetry and theatre, playing every single character at the same time. But he's not just a comedian, he often argues the need for comedians to not simply remember lines, but feel them, live them. What went through that bastard's head while he wrote it? What were his emotions.
Apr 12 15:41:34 <teotwaki> His ideology is that you don't recount Molière, you don't act Molière, you reinterpret it.
Apr 12 15:42:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds sensible
Apr 12 15:42:15 <ManoftheSea> Sounds French
Apr 12 15:42:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm feeling alike when reading schematics ;-)
Apr 12 15:47:01 <Drathir> in other languages sound good "nos vemos capo"
Apr 12 15:53:22 <Drathir> in my words translate if good remember mean bye bye guys, thats a single words that i remember from some games chats, i always like be inside team even i dont understand most of  they write, but only this way when was a calm times members translates some words to english and i was muchas gracias for that...
Apr 12 16:05:08 <DocScrutinizer05> see you! chapeau
Apr 12 16:06:04 <DocScrutinizer05> galizisch :-o
Apr 12 16:06:38 <teotwaki> Drathir: grateful
Apr 12 16:06:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Galician
Apr 12 18:27:19 <sixwheeledbeast_> ~ping
Apr 12 18:27:20 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 12 20:35:56 <Drathir> ./w 5
Apr 12 20:36:10 <Drathir> fail sorry
Apr 12 22:39:29 <Sc0rpius> hmm
Apr 12 22:39:58 <Sc0rpius> Maemo doesn't have a mime.types file?
Apr 12 23:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> not exactly, it works somehow different
Apr 12 23:10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Sc0rpius: iirc you define minetypes in .desktop
Apr 12 23:10:26 <DocScrutinizer05> kinda
Apr 12 23:13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> grep -C 1 MimeType /usr/share/applications/hildon/*mediaplayer*
Apr 12 23:25:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Sc0rpius: there's a cache-file somewhere, but I guess it's a poor idea to edit it. eventually it will get built anew from some process scanning all .desktop files
Apr 12 23:26:06 <Sc0rpius> ok
Apr 13 01:21:04 <Snafu777> So, I'm really bored, and in a creative mood
Apr 13 01:21:09 <Snafu777> I have an n900 in my pocket
Apr 13 01:21:12 <Snafu777> And im feeling hackish
Apr 13 02:27:29 <Sc0rpius> autobuilder and that stuff works or not yet?
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