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Apr 15 08:14:14 <Macer> hm
Apr 15 08:14:22 <Macer> where is the picasa plugin?
Apr 15 08:14:48 <Macer> i remember there being one
Apr 15 08:17:33 <Macer> oh it is in devel? wow
Apr 15 08:17:40 <Macer> since 2011?
Apr 15 08:23:01 <Macer> hm
Apr 15 08:23:06 <Macer> it doesnt seem to be in devel
Apr 15 08:23:09 <Macer> wth?
Apr 15 08:23:52 <Macer> oh. there it i
Apr 15 10:22:37 <BigBoxDriver> Hi folks, curious question: Just read Soundwave for N9 is now available. Would it also run on the N900?
Apr 15 10:37:59 <dimir> $ date +%H%M
Apr 15 10:37:59 <dimir> 1337
Apr 15 10:37:59 <dimir> \o/
Apr 15 10:39:13 <dimir> damn, wrong channel
Apr 15 10:39:15 <dimir> :-D
Apr 15 10:44:35 <jaska> 13:37:59 < dimir> $ date +%H%M
Apr 15 10:44:39 <jaska> so it was at the last second :D
Apr 15 10:54:10 <dimir> ye
Apr 15 10:54:11 <dimir> :-D
Apr 15 11:53:36 <fasta> Is there some way I can upgrade n900 software in an unattended way?
Apr 15 11:54:03 <fasta> The whole 'do your really want to do this' stuff is sluggish.
Apr 15 11:54:10 <fasta> In fact, the whole phone feels sluggish.
Apr 15 12:00:38 <marmoute> fasta: point?
Apr 15 12:01:21 <fasta> The point being that apt-get should never have been used on the n900 and is likely a contributing factor its commercial failure.
Apr 15 12:01:41 <fasta> The point being that Nokia engineers were clueless when they selected apt-get.
Apr 15 12:01:51 <jacekowski> fasta: have you ever used android on phone with similiar CPU
Apr 15 12:01:59 <marmoute> what the problème with apt-get here exactly ?
Apr 15 12:02:10 <fasta> jacekowski: perhaps they are clueless too.
Apr 15 12:02:21 <fasta> Wouldn't surprise me given the way the Chrome build system worked.
Apr 15 12:02:29 <jacekowski> fasta: N900 was really fast 4 years ago when it was released
Apr 15 12:02:57 <jacekowski> now phones have 3x clock and 4x amount of cores
Apr 15 12:03:02 <jacekowski> and 4x ram
Apr 15 12:03:17 <jacekowski> and apt-get isn't the problem
Apr 15 12:03:20 <jacekowski> HAM is
Apr 15 12:03:33 * marmoute still fails to see how apt-get have anything to do with the problem
Apr 15 12:13:44 <wookey> fasta: use apt-get from the command-line - it's a great deal faster. It's the GUI wrapper that seems to be impressively slow
Apr 15 12:14:44 <fasta> How can I call apt-get in such a way that it does the equivalent of HAM?
Apr 15 12:14:49 <fasta> (just the upgrade part)
Apr 15 12:15:23 <jacekowski> apt-get upgrade
Apr 15 12:15:30 <jacekowski> apt-get dist-upgrade
Apr 15 12:15:41 <fasta> jacekowski: which one?
Apr 15 12:16:33 <marmoute> apt-get update # fetch latest packages definition
Apr 15 12:16:43 <marmoute> apt-get dist-upgrade # upgrade the whole system
Apr 15 12:31:30 <GeneralAntilles> Man, SD69 is really going to town with the official titles
Apr 15 12:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> I'm starting to fear a culture purge and re-education camps.
Apr 15 14:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: where?
Apr 15 14:56:27 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer05, Foundation Chairman Samoff and the like
Apr 15 14:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Apr 15 14:57:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I got a date at my doctor, to treat my rob-eczema
Apr 15 14:57:59 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds expensive
Apr 15 15:22:49 <ShadowJK> It's fairly impressive, how on irc it seems hifo is less cooperative with maemo users than nokia was :-)
Apr 15 15:38:22 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: what about today's MWKN, I seem to have seen a few twitter notes by jaffa that looked "promising"
Apr 15 15:39:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: only on IRC?
Apr 15 15:40:42 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: btw you as HiFo ComOfficer, are you fine with the way Rob posts his rant in a way that looks like official agreed-upon BoD common sense?
Apr 15 15:41:58 <DocScrutinizer05> http://hildonfoundation.org/an-update-on-hildon-foundation-council-and-maemo-community-council  so no ambiguities may come up what i'm talking about
Apr 15 15:42:03 <GeneralAntilles> Not particularly, no.
Apr 15 15:42:15 <GeneralAntilles> b
Apr 15 15:42:43 <GeneralAntilles> Let him hang himself
Apr 15 15:42:47 <rm_work> T_T
Apr 15 15:43:05 * rm_work is sad about the state of the community as it degrades over time
Apr 15 15:43:16 <GeneralAntilles> There were no stories to summarize when I went to do MWKN last night
Apr 15 15:45:59 <rm_work> err, is he referring to HIMSELF when he says "Director Bauer"?
Apr 15 15:52:21 <jacekowski> hifo is just a mistake
Apr 15 15:52:34 <jacekowski> it should be that hifo bod == community council
Apr 15 15:59:39 <DocScrutinizer05> WOODY TO THE RESCUE YAY!!!
Apr 15 15:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> thank God he's back and active
Apr 15 16:01:46 <DocScrutinizer05> seems he's 10000 times better at answering Rob in 2 terse sentences than my answers ever could be, no matter if a short rant or I write monologues that nobody reads/understands
Apr 15 16:02:08 <kerio> by the way, linode was apparently pwned quite hard, two weeks ago
Apr 15 16:02:22 <kerio> so be careful if you have a box there
Apr 15 16:02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf linode?
Apr 15 16:02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, i don't
Apr 15 16:02:33 <kerio> hetzner, but french
Apr 15 16:02:48 <kerio> hm, only VPS though
Apr 15 16:03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, the French. Encryption is illegal in France I heard
Apr 15 16:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what it earns them
Apr 15 16:03:18 <kerio> apparently they're not french
Apr 15 16:03:22 <kerio> who i was thinking about then?
Apr 15 16:03:24 <kerio> *was i
Apr 15 16:03:38 <kerio> anyway, linode knew about the hack two weeks ago
Apr 15 16:03:41 <kerio> and they said nothing until now
Apr 15 16:03:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, now they're dead
Apr 15 16:04:20 <kerio> one of the dudes responsible for the hack went on their IRC channel and said "i'm in ur service hackin ur box"
Apr 15 16:04:30 <kerio> http://fenrir.aerdan.org/linode.log if you're interested, it's quite fun
Apr 15 16:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> this is very much like a ricine poisoning
Apr 15 16:04:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you either amputate the limb in 2 days, or you die
Apr 15 17:23:03 <DocScrutinizer05> rm_work: >>Although the Bylaws state that the Hildon Foundation Council is to be determined by an election of the Hildon membership, they do not state how the first Hildon Foundation Council is to be determined.<< doesn't make him (SD69/Rob_Director_Bauer) think that there must be something wrong in the way he reads stuff. That's odd
Apr 15 17:23:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and wtf is >>Hildon membership<< ?
Apr 15 17:23:43 <rm_work> lol
Apr 15 17:24:38 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: being a member of Hildon? :P
Apr 15 17:25:49 <DocScrutinizer05> so wtf is hildon?
Apr 15 17:26:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: application framework?
Apr 15 17:26:29 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly the whole sentence is ambiguous and doesn't make much sense to me
Apr 15 17:28:14 <DocScrutinizer05> *I* think the bylaws state that "the HFC gets elected by the maemo community, according to election rules provided by the inaugural HFC (which is implicitly assumed is the very same entity as MCC)"
Apr 15 17:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> to me no other interpretation makes the slightest sense
Apr 15 17:29:20 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, who do you argue with? I mean here, on #maemo. I was under the impression that this is commonly accepted
Apr 15 17:30:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wanted to expose my POV for public review and discussion/critics
Apr 15 17:30:10 <freemangordon> aah, ok
Apr 15 17:30:29 <DocScrutinizer05> good to hear you concur with it
Apr 15 17:30:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I sometimes start to wonder if I maybe silently go silly
Apr 15 17:31:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and don't understand stuff anymore, due to Alzheimer or whatever
Apr 15 17:31:35 * freemangordon is verifying with google WTF "inaugural" means
Apr 15 17:32:02 <DocScrutinizer05> initial/first - particularly pre-first-election
Apr 15 17:32:09 <freemangordon> yep, got it
Apr 15 17:35:26 <DocScrutinizer05> (whom i'm arguing with) I ask for possible better interpretations of Rob's statement, since for me it's more and more falling to nonsensical pieces the more I try to grasp the true meaning of it
Apr 15 17:37:07 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW we again have a situation where everybody thinks Rob said "A" and in a few months he dissects his own statement and explains to us that it meant "B"
Apr 15 17:37:16 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: I am still to see anyone but sd69 to defend that "statement", most probably because it is not clear what exactly he wants
Apr 15 17:37:39 <freemangordon> at least to me it is not, but that could be my English
Apr 15 17:37:48 <DocScrutinizer05> same here
Apr 15 17:43:50 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Council is to be determined by an election of the Hildon membership<< is a gibberish to me, after 10th time of reading it
Apr 15 17:45:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I *could* read it like >>council is to be voted by members of the Hildon group<< (whatever hildon group is then)
Apr 15 17:45:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but it could mean something completely different, and my english is not good enough to grok it
Apr 15 17:47:09 <DocScrutinizer05> something like "membership in the hildon group determines if you are a councilor"
Apr 15 17:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> "and you become member of hildon group by some obscure election"
Apr 15 17:49:31 * DocScrutinizer05 hums F.Z - the muffin man, wonders how that came in now
Apr 15 19:45:54 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; i only occasionally read irc, and nothing else, no time
Apr 15 19:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: aaah. Stay with that, it saves your day
Apr 15 20:08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm so happy about woody finally showing up on this thread, putting everything into shape and context
Apr 15 21:17:49 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Apr 15 21:17:50 <infobot> thanks, DocScrutinizer51
Apr 15 22:27:25 <Macer> wth
Apr 15 22:27:33 <Macer> the cam is saving to the root dir of the device
Apr 15 22:27:34 <Macer> ? 
Apr 15 22:27:39 <Macer> why isn't it saving to .camera ? 
Apr 15 22:27:56 <Macer> there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to change the dir
Apr 15 22:37:56 <sixwheeledbeast> Macer: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
Apr 15 23:48:52 <Macer> i don't see that file anywhere
Apr 15 23:49:11 <Macer> user-dirs.dirs isn't anywhere to be found
Apr 15 23:49:23 <Macer> that might explain why it isn't working properly :-/
Apr 15 23:50:50 * Macer looks around
Apr 15 23:53:35 <Macer> heh. maemo.org seems so slow nowadays :)
Apr 15 23:57:26 <Macer> DocScrutinizer51: is this some awkward cssu bug with the cam saving to the root instead of .camera or DCIM etc? 
Apr 15 23:57:31 <Macer> or am i just missing something here
Apr 16 00:11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you're most likely just missing something
Apr 16 00:13:39 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ll ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs
Apr 16 00:13:40 <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 236 2009-10-08 10:13 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs
Apr 16 00:14:17 <DocScrutinizer05> cat: http://privatepaste.com/7a75fb041b
Apr 16 00:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: ^^^
Apr 16 00:36:34 <Macer> wth? how is that possible? :)
Apr 16 00:37:42 <Macer> yeah i guess I am? 
Apr 16 00:37:47 <Macer> i don't have that file
Apr 16 00:38:17 <Macer> and that's after a fresh device + cssu testing upgrade :)
Apr 16 00:45:23 <Macer> how odd. i just copied/pasted yours
Apr 16 00:45:25 <Macer> :-/
Apr 16 00:45:29 <Macer> although i named it .camera
Apr 16 00:45:30 <Macer> not DCIM
Apr 16 00:49:12 <Macer> that worked tho. odd
Apr 16 00:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that file is a part of initial basic config. It's most probably never updated or restored when you nuke it
Apr 16 00:51:08 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no single package that owns this file aiui
Apr 16 00:52:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so only way to restore it would probably be a eMMC reflash
Apr 16 01:00:52 <robbiethe1st> Or copy it out of someone else's backup with BM
Apr 16 01:02:31 <Macer> heh. or just copy paste yours ;)
Apr 16 01:03:01 <Macer> it worked fine now being set to .camera
Apr 16 01:03:06 <Macer> so i will just leave well enough alone
Apr 16 01:35:32 <troulouliou_dev> hi is it still active here ? i just upgrade my kernel and can not boot my phone anuymore
Apr 16 01:36:19 <wmarone> try flashing the stock images
Apr 16 01:36:46 <troulouliou_dev> wmarone, can i just flash the kernel
Apr 16 01:36:53 <wmarone> I believe so
Apr 16 01:36:55 <troulouliou_dev> don't want to erase the emmc
Apr 16 01:37:01 <wmarone> but I haven't done it in a long time
Apr 16 01:37:35 <troulouliou_dev> wmarone, yeah me too where is the flasher , iirc there was a prog/deamon that could acess the nokia emmc/nand ...
Apr 16 01:39:15 <wmarone> http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Apr 16 01:40:02 <wmarone> grab maemo_flasher-3.5 for your OS
Apr 16 01:41:20 <wmarone> http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ - and grab your Maemo 5 release
Apr 16 01:45:10 <troulouliou_dev> wmarone, all links are dead
Apr 16 01:46:53 <wmarone> they work here
Apr 16 01:47:22 <troulouliou_dev> weird
Apr 16 01:47:55 <troulouliou_dev> wmarone, http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb
Apr 16 01:47:59 <troulouliou_dev> this one for instance
Apr 16 01:48:21 <wmarone> works here
Apr 16 01:48:37 <wmarone> also if you're working on an N900, I don't know if that one is compatible
Apr 16 01:50:46 <wookey> anyone know why my marble might have gone all sulky? It was working fine yesterday, but now I've installed various things and downloaded some tiles (and played with maemo-mapper), and now marble runs for a few seconds and then hangs for a minute or two
Apr 16 01:51:09 <wookey> (on n900)
Apr 16 02:14:31 <troulouliou_dev> is there a boot option for flasher to get the backlight on ?
Apr 16 02:32:07 <wookey> my /home/user/MyDocs says it is read-only if I try to change anything over ssh
Apr 16 02:32:32 <rikanee> troulowliou_dev, turning the backlight on happens either when you issue the initialization for the LED's backlight, or when Nokia X-Loader runs.
Apr 16 02:32:42 <wookey> I see that is reall /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted as /home/user/MyDocs
Apr 16 02:33:01 <wookey> (vfat)
Apr 16 02:33:05 <rikanee> wookey, what user are you logging in as?
Apr 16 02:33:16 <wookey> ssh as root
Apr 16 02:33:23 <wookey> then su to user
Apr 16 02:33:45 <rikanee> try ssh as user.
Apr 16 02:34:17 <wookey> OK. is it done with fuse or something?
Apr 16 02:34:38 <rikanee> Nope, it's mounted as a plain block device, but owner is UID/GID 29999 (user)
Apr 16 02:36:37 <wookey> rm: cannot remove 'StarWreck.ogv': Read-only file system
Apr 16 02:37:04 <rikanee> hmm. Try checking 'mount'.
Apr 16 02:37:13 <wookey> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)
Apr 16 02:37:20 <wookey> there is that rodir at the end
Apr 16 02:37:30 <wookey> couldn't find that in the mount manpage
Apr 16 02:37:52 <rikanee> rodir	      -- FAT has the ATTR_RO (read-only) attribute. On Windows,
Apr 16 02:37:53 <rikanee> 		 the ATTR_RO of the directory will just be ignored,
Apr 16 02:37:53 <rikanee> 		 and is used only by applications as a flag (e.g. it's set
Apr 16 02:37:53 <rikanee> 		 for the customized folder).
Apr 16 02:38:51 <rikanee> Try running 'umount /home/user/MyDocs && fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1' as root.
Apr 16 02:40:00 <wookey> hm device busy
Apr 16 02:41:12 <wookey> OK. got it
Apr 16 02:41:45 <wookey> ah. FAT  corruption: 
Apr 16 02:41:49 <wookey> FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?
Apr 16 02:42:15 <wookey> This takes me back a couple of decades
Apr 16 02:42:28 <wookey> shitty bloody filesyste,
Apr 16 02:42:51 <wookey> is 1 or 2 any more likely to be correct?
Apr 16 02:43:46 <wookey> So I guess this was the 'remount read-only on errors' thing
Apr 16 02:44:09 <wookey> rikanee: well guessed
Apr 16 02:44:14 <troulouliou_dev> hi i reflashed the latest official kernel ; how can i reinstall the power kernel now ?
Apr 16 02:46:08 <wookey> does fat corruption in MyDocs happen often? looks like OSM tiles in this case (which makes sense, I've been messing with maps)
Apr 16 02:47:44 <troulouliou_dev> apt-get install --resinstall kernel-power-flasher btw :)
Apr 16 02:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> troulouliou_dev: yeah, and kernel-power-modules and kernel-power
Apr 16 02:48:29 <DocScrutinizer05> but I think those are dependencies pulled in automatically
Apr 16 02:48:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~kp
Apr 16 02:48:41 <infobot> kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
Apr 16 02:49:31 <troulouliou_dev> and can i build a usb cable  to host mode ?
Apr 16 02:49:38 <wookey> is it possible to tell the device to run off USB power whilst changing batteries?
Apr 16 02:50:03 <troulouliou_dev> i mean it is just rewiring female classic usb to the one used by the n900?
Apr 16 02:52:17 <DocScrutinizer05> troulouliou_dev:(hostmode) it's way simpler to get a USB-AF-AF adapter (with two receptacles) and use that at the standard size USB-A end of your CA-101 cable
Apr 16 02:53:04 <DocScrutinizer05> wookey: didn't I point you to my tmo thread just yesterday?
Apr 16 02:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-15 04:51:22] <DocScrutinizer05> wookey: see my post on tmo about "hotswapping battery, possible"
Apr 16 02:53:32 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-15 04:52:27] <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734
Apr 16 02:53:55 <DocScrutinizer05> or been yesterday+1min
Apr 16 02:55:40 <DocScrutinizer05> wookey: ultrashort version: yes, but your need to 1) disable GSM 2)lock backlight to always-on 3)stop bme
Apr 16 02:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> after swapping batteries you need to `start bme` and revert whatever else you did and don't want to keep
Apr 16 02:57:33 <rikanee> It's a massive hack. Ideally, you'd have the big batteries as dumb batteries, and another battery with an integrated Li-ion charger that acts as a sort of buffer between battery swaps.
Apr 16 02:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> troulouliou_dev: such adapter costs ~$1.50 on fleabay
Apr 16 02:58:10 <troulouliou_dev> DocScrutinizer05, 4 am : soldering mine atm :)
Apr 16 02:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Apr 16 02:59:00 <troulouliou_dev> btw i touigh the v51 kernel power fixed smartreflex  on overclocking
Apr 16 02:59:24 <troulouliou_dev> seems i m still facing the rebooting issue
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