**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 18 02:59:58 2013 Apr 18 04:30:02 ~hi! Apr 18 04:30:03 hi Apr 18 04:56:01 DocScrutinizer05: hi, is there a maemo port for "Lazors" ? Apr 18 07:25:30 what thread??? Apr 18 07:41:35 DocScrutinizer05: hi, can you correct me if i'm using wrong repos, or i should add some extra Apr 18 07:41:46 Currently i'm using this one http://www.fpaste.org/3svL/ Apr 18 07:42:14 But, fremantle1.2 ovi is currently disabled Apr 18 07:43:52 you most probably DONT want extzras-devel enabled all the time, but since you already had... Apr 18 07:44:14 nfc about ovi Apr 18 07:44:29 I never used that Apr 18 07:45:15 and I'd guess *.maemo.nokia.com doesn't work anymore Apr 18 07:45:27 ~mirror Apr 18 07:45:28 it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new Apr 18 07:45:39 though nothing new in those repos anyway Apr 18 07:46:56 generally all maemo.org repos should be fine again Apr 18 07:47:18 all *.nokia.com is basically dead Apr 18 07:47:40 None is updating them ? Apr 18 07:47:55 Nokia didn't consider transferring that stuff to communioty, but also didn't consider supporting it further Apr 18 07:48:19 Stupid position Apr 18 07:48:55 well, nothing to update in there Apr 18 07:49:16 any updates to the stuff in there would rather go to cssu anyway Apr 18 07:49:43 So, http://repository.maemo.org/extras is still functional ? Apr 18 07:49:51 Is it a nokia's repo ? Apr 18 07:49:52 yes Apr 18 07:49:56 no Apr 18 07:50:11 *.maemo.org is community now Apr 18 07:50:19 Ah Apr 18 07:50:30 ~rmo Apr 18 07:50:31 i guess rmo is repository.maemo.org Apr 18 07:50:41 So, i simply has to switch of extras-devel.merlin1991.at ? Apr 18 07:50:54 yep, that should work Apr 18 07:51:26 I mean, you strongly advice me to switch it off Apr 18 07:51:28 ? Apr 18 07:52:09 How can i check, how much software i already have installed from extras-devel.merlin ? Apr 18 07:52:13 I suggest to switch to rmo, and I usually keep it deactivated, only enable it to install or explicitly update single packages Apr 18 07:52:48 that's not easy to determine Apr 18 07:53:05 Yea Apr 18 07:53:13 but then you don't bother either Apr 18 07:53:23 installed is installed Apr 18 07:54:26 You mean ,i can skip it right now ? Apr 18 07:54:35 skip what? Apr 18 07:54:58 if i have installed software from extras-devel, i have to live with this. nothing i can do ? Apr 18 07:55:10 Or what did you mean? Apr 18 07:55:17 you could deinstall it if you don't like it Apr 18 07:55:42 an installed package doesn't care where from it got installed Apr 18 07:55:55 Yea, but i don't know which soft. i currently have from extras-devel Apr 18 07:56:08 the less it cares if that repo is enabled or not Apr 18 07:56:34 I also don't know Apr 18 07:56:49 and I usually don't care Apr 18 07:57:09 and I haven't even found a convenient way to tell Apr 18 07:57:23 DocScrutinizer05: quite the mood today, eh? Apr 18 07:57:42 teotwaki: hmm? Apr 18 07:58:53 I think HAM can tell where from a particular package got installed Apr 18 07:59:10 apt doesn't Apr 18 07:59:19 due to a silly flaw Apr 18 07:59:53 DocScrutinizer05: also, where can i find maemo port of Lazors ? :) Apr 18 08:00:01 no idea Apr 18 08:00:14 google? Apr 18 08:00:31 It doesn't know :) Apr 18 08:00:42 then that doesn't exist Apr 18 08:00:57 Also, where can i find any connection logs of my IM protocols Apr 18 08:01:25 Currently my ICQ proto tells me "Network Error" but all the other protos work pretty well Apr 18 08:01:45 hmm Apr 18 08:01:52 sorry, no idea Apr 18 08:02:20 I thinks it's a conersation plugin Apr 18 08:02:28 Does it write logs somewhere Apr 18 08:04:05 I don't know Apr 18 08:04:31 :( Apr 18 08:04:44 doesn't mean a thing, somebody else might Apr 18 08:06:52 also lsof and find / -mmin 30 are your frinds Apr 18 08:06:58 friends Apr 18 08:07:57 depending on find version maybe --mmin -30 Apr 18 08:08:56 if you used your IM during last 30 minutes Apr 18 08:13:25 of course this find invocation will most likely find other files as well which are being changed during last 30 minutes, but one of those files it finds is your IM log, if there exists such log at all. You might need to change parameters of the IM plugin to enable logging though Apr 18 08:15:45 if yu just want to debug a connectivity problem, other tools/means come to mind: tshark, strace Apr 18 08:15:52 netstat Apr 18 08:16:08 google ;-) Apr 18 09:22:19 Woody14619: starting a text with 'Uhm.. Really?' is like saying 'are you stupid or what?' Apr 18 12:03:19 New kernel-power v52 TMO thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 Apr 18 12:23:15 Pali: cool Apr 18 12:23:42 I did not have time for it earlier Apr 18 12:48:05 Rob going completely nuts now, he changed the password of HiFo content management to lock out the other two of BoD and HiFo communication officer Apr 18 12:57:13 DocScrutinizer05: :( Apr 18 12:57:50 maybe I got some PM info wrong. He changed password but at least shared it to CO Apr 18 12:59:11 nevertheless his answer to Kurt H Maier on community ML is absolutely devastating Apr 18 12:59:50 DocScrutinizer05, that's not something that can be clearly attributed. Apr 18 13:00:06 Given he gave me the password when I asked for it. Apr 18 13:01:53 "...there is currently no special election for Board of Directors despite that some people have claimed that there was> Apr 18 13:02:03 WTF? Apr 18 13:02:38 though... that could make sense Apr 18 13:03:01 if MCC != HFC Apr 18 13:03:46 I'm even more concerned about the other assumptions/proposals/prognoses he makes there Apr 18 13:03:54 That is how he believes it is Apr 18 13:04:43 well, I guess we shold wait for BoD meeting to be held Apr 18 13:05:24 yes, and the fact that he believes that can't change, not even by the smallest possibility, and that he thinks he knows about future rules, makes me really biased against him Apr 18 13:05:26 *should Apr 18 13:07:05 GeneralAntilles: the probem as I see it is that he has obsessed BoD and acts like he is the one to have the final saying Apr 18 13:07:29 damn RD, problem even Apr 18 13:07:36 freemangordon, yes, there's a bit of a power trip going on there. Apr 18 13:08:09 which makes me wonder what is all that about Apr 18 13:08:36 it's all about a patent lawyer showing off Apr 18 13:08:42 I doubt this is based on "believings" only Apr 18 13:10:01 have you read the meeting minutes of 8th Dec? The passage about "appointing MCC"? Apr 18 13:10:15 it's as fuzzy as it can get Apr 18 13:13:37 I tried to read it in a way that would imply MCC!=HFC, I failed Apr 18 13:14:12 simple; ask ivan and tim to write what they meant when they were doing the appointment of MCC Apr 18 13:14:32 go out of my kitchen! ;-P Apr 18 13:14:38 hehe Apr 18 13:15:15 the thing everybody fails to notice is rob is fighting on aspects decided by tim and/or ivan and neither of those 2 are being held accountable Apr 18 13:15:41 hmm, yep, sounds sane Apr 18 13:15:56 ask them to appear on this friday's bod meeting and say what they meant; if they say yeah we meant MCC=HFC; case closed Apr 18 13:16:14 thedead1440: those meetings are "closed source" afaik Apr 18 13:16:22 freemangordon: nah open source ;) Apr 18 13:16:31 hmm, since when? Apr 18 13:16:39 from this friday Apr 18 13:16:44 ok :) Apr 18 13:17:15 Rob also claims >alas there's no defined way how HFC gets appointed<< (OWTTE) - dang, how could that happen, Rob?? Weren't YOU the lawyer supposed to prrofread the bylaws and spot and extinguish such flaws? Apr 18 13:17:38 more people should appear during the meeting and grill rob; the same 3-5 people chasing him makes it a coup... more community members chasing him makes him look like holding community to his hostage Apr 18 13:18:04 which in my book he does anyway Apr 18 13:18:07 is it IRC meeting or voice? Apr 18 13:18:15 voice, audio + chat Apr 18 13:18:21 hmm, ok Apr 18 13:18:57 thedead1440: i'll ping you tomorrow for the details :P Apr 18 13:19:03 http://www.concert-oh.com/web/public-meeting/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA== Apr 18 13:19:14 why wait till tomorrow ;) Apr 18 13:19:52 I'll lose the address till then :D Apr 18 13:19:59 hehe ok Apr 18 13:20:22 well, we *could* do this (ask Tim and Ivan), or BoD simply decides tomorrow to appoint MCC==HFC (again) Apr 18 13:21:12 DocScrutinizer05: preferred solution is to ask tim and ivan before tomorrow for confirmation and get this officially stated in the meeting Apr 18 13:21:31 same time settling the argument, fixing a perceived by Rob flaw in bylaws and finnally listening to community and moving HiFo forward Apr 18 13:21:58 thedead1440: I don't think so Apr 18 13:22:14 i know neither tim or ivan well otherwise i would have badgered them for a confirmation of mcc=hfc long ago Apr 18 13:22:39 no matter what they thought they decided, what's needed and in spirit of bylaws fathers is MCC==HFC Apr 18 13:22:59 and nobody really wants to decide who's been right or wrong in this dispute Apr 18 13:23:13 yes Doc but that is made infinitely easier when the directors who voted this speak up and confirm it. Apr 18 13:23:23 why? Apr 18 13:23:44 because Rob wasn't a director then and these two directors appointed MCC Apr 18 13:24:14 if they say we meant it as MCC=HFC; there is nothing Rob can do to prove otherwise as those decisions were made officially before Apr 18 13:24:17 if the decision isn't a mandatory unanimous one, and Rob still accepts Jim and Woody as regular BoD members (he better did, or he needs to sue himself for pulling them in) Apr 18 13:24:42 thedead1440: and if they don't? Apr 18 13:25:00 then we're back to my approach Apr 18 13:25:49 DocScrutinizer05: if they say MCC=!HFC then yes you have to get an appointment done tomorrow. Apr 18 13:26:10 I dunno when exactly Rob got appointed for BoD, anyway he's the third on list of attendants Apr 18 13:26:24 Rob got appointed after Texrat left Apr 18 13:26:35 have a link to the 8/12/12 minutes? Apr 18 13:27:08 and if that's the case (Ron=BoD at 8, Dec) then we again had 2 vs one when he didn't think that's been mmc==hfc Apr 18 13:27:29 http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ Apr 18 13:28:01 Texrat resigns but Rob not appointed as of 8/12/12 Apr 18 13:29:01 still this introduces 2 more variables (Tim and Ivan) while finally might result in partially same procedure Apr 18 13:29:41 do what you think is right; i'm not going to argue legal stuff that is not going anywhere. I chimed in with a blind-spot in discussions so far only. Apr 18 13:29:48 and even if it doesn't result in same procedure since they say it was meant for HFC, then this way is not any shorter or easier than the other Apr 18 13:30:59 we can discuss things hypothetically when its bloody simple to send and email each to tim and ivan for a yes/no answer and path forward is clearer. Apr 18 13:31:06 an* Apr 18 13:31:37 look, as much as I try to do what community wants, I'm not the one pushing for HFC. If woody and Jim have a plan then they shall sort it out tomorrow, if not then I'll not step up to do their job Apr 18 13:32:43 maybe Woody is right and mmc==hfc been decided in an even earlier meeting already Apr 18 13:33:09 maybe even before any of regular BoD been appointed Apr 18 13:34:10 after all Woody introduced the concept of HFC and elections into bylaws, and aiui he been one of the pre-official founding members of HiFo Apr 18 13:35:56 SD69 never been very happy with community having a saying in anything, maybe he never felt like this part of bylaws was worth his valued review Apr 18 13:36:36 now he claims it's flawed in bylaws and thus he can't execute it. Sounds coherent to me Apr 18 13:41:37 heck, in the end it's been last term's COUNCIL that established the HiFo, together with other volunteers Apr 18 13:43:44 but whatever been intended, it seems obvious that majority of community mebers thought we won't have a THIRD entity/SECOND council. So even if the bylaws are fuzzy or flawed, the only right thing to do is: current BoD appoints mcc==hfc Apr 18 13:44:51 forget what's been intended in the past in bylaws, ask what's *possible* to do now about it in accordance with those bylaws Apr 18 13:45:39 to implement what's obviously the notion and intent of vast majority of community members Apr 18 13:57:54 most funny part in Rob's chain of argumentation (aiui) is: there's no HFC. There are no rules for elections. There is no word in the bylaws how to install a HFC. The rules for elections are to be set up by HFC, according to bylaws. So we're in a deadlock that only BoD can break, we'll do this by appointing a HFC any way and any time we (err *I*) like Apr 18 14:00:45 he's perverting the meaning and reason for having a HFC: to shoot down BoD when they don't behave.That's like Berlusconi firing all judges and thus refusing to ever go to court, since nobody except him can appoint new judges Apr 18 14:01:14 that's not exactly what happens in italy Apr 18 14:01:25 yeah, I know Apr 18 14:01:42 I didn't say it was an example completely taken from reality Apr 18 14:03:05 in Hungary however that seems to be pretty exactly what happened lately Apr 18 14:03:21 careful on your terminology Doc; you are running into a quagmire by implying HiFo = HiFo BoD and not HiFo BoD or HiFo Council Apr 18 14:03:50 as council member you are actually going to just end up doing the same thing you castigated MT for in the last metting... Apr 18 14:04:42 ...and qwazix to the rescue :) Apr 18 14:09:40 eh? Apr 18 14:11:22 oh well, I see what you meant Apr 18 14:16:45 if it wasn't for all the community mebers asking, begging, even blackmailing me to continue my work, I had resigned weeks ago Apr 18 14:24:21 DocScrutinizer05: It is appreciated. Apr 18 14:24:24 and how is your statement related to anything except to glorify your ego? Doc you are a good man whose work is appreciated so don't be a reverse-Rob who needs to show his importance to events when proven less than 100% accurate. I say this to you because i know you usually mean well. unhappy? Then +q me. Apr 18 14:25:39 nah, I just have my desperate 5 minutes. Rob's mails and posts always have that effect on me Apr 18 14:25:47 lol Apr 18 14:26:08 in short: I'm pissed Apr 18 14:27:32 particularly since I suspect "the other party" feels joy from those silly games Apr 18 14:28:46 so it's kinda like beating a masochist. It's not satisfying since you're always playing the other one's game Apr 18 14:29:34 masochist: "beat me, please beat me!" Sadist: "NOOOOOO! haha" Apr 18 14:31:14 now s/beat/torture/ Apr 18 14:32:22 * DocScrutinizer05 needs a looong walk in the park Apr 18 14:36:09 go for it then Apr 18 14:45:52 yeah. Do you know that feeling? sometimes I feel like ssh root@* killall -SIGSTOP -r '.*' Apr 18 14:46:11 we're lucky ssh doesn't work like that, then :P Apr 18 14:46:46 ooh, I have other means, but feeling like != actually doing it Apr 18 15:01:53 ~listkeys ZIP Apr 18 15:01:56 Factoid search of 'ZIP' by key (21 of 42422): zip 11717 ;; zip 13659 ;; zip 14777 ;; zip 14975 ;; zip 18438 ;; zip 24473 ;; zip 27501 ;; zip 33537 ;; zip 34642 ;; zip 45343 ;; zip 47703 ;; zip 4985 ;; zip 51022 ;; zip 5152 ;; zip 54129 ;; zip 56687 ;; zip 64853 ;; zip 66854 ;; zip 74136 ;; zip 75294 ;; zip 77580. Apr 18 15:02:52 do you know how many times a felt tempted to ~forget *ZIP*, and didn't do it because Tim asked me not to go too leete with regex factoid editing Apr 18 15:03:32 s/ a / I / Apr 18 15:03:33 DocScrutinizer05 meant: do you know how many times I felt tempted to ~forget *ZIP*, and didn't do it because Tim asked me not to go too leete with regex factoid editing Apr 18 15:05:31 hold on, are there no backups? Apr 18 15:07:07 dammit i want to do a ~forget * so much Apr 18 15:08:45 How come 'apt-get update' output, and log from HAM update isn't the same? Apr 18 15:09:15 http://pastebin.com/M2dkuNah Apr 18 16:06:55 ~ping Apr 18 16:06:57 ~pong Apr 18 16:07:06 ~botsnack Apr 18 16:07:08 thanks, sixwheeledbeast Apr 18 16:22:16 hmm, wiki is as fast as a snail :( Apr 18 16:25:02 deja vu. snail==wiki. http://www.snail-world.com Apr 18 18:11:54 hi Apr 18 18:12:13 la Apr 18 18:19:27 How come http://maemo.org is never updated with news and announcements? Apr 18 18:20:00 All the election stuff and server news should popup right into my face Apr 18 18:27:15 n900-dk: because nobody has been able to login for a good while. I think the big plan is to get back to using m.o more. Apr 18 18:31:01 isn't it like 3 weeks now, where community has been in charge? Apr 18 18:33:00 we can't expect people to see the election announcement on tmo Apr 18 18:34:05 n900-dk: there are still lots of things to fix and monitor infra wise. Which Doc is doing a fine job of coordinating ;) Apr 18 18:37:22 Yes,I'm sure he is, but I just think m.o. is the maemo communitys face to the outside - and to me it seems dead for years Apr 18 18:37:58 and it makes me sad Apr 18 18:58:46 extras downloads counter has been stuck since 20121209 :( http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ Apr 18 19:04:56 sixwheeledbeast: there are several jobs that don't run yet, I guess Apr 18 19:27:05 NIN101: ping Apr 18 19:27:22 Pali: pong Apr 18 19:27:47 NIN101: what do you think about rescueos image in some extras-devel package for uboot support? Apr 18 19:28:58 new version of uboot (which will be released soon) will have ext2/3/4 support so kernel and initfs images can be loaded from emmc optfs Apr 18 19:30:46 I think that having rescueos entry in uboot could be usefull and storing it via apt/dpkg to /opt is better then to /boot (which is on rootfs) Apr 18 19:31:18 I haven't played around with uboot much, I don't know what to think. As you know, I am not very active anymore, which means I am not going to do it. If others want to do it, they are welcome to of course. Apr 18 19:32:14 with new version of uboot it is possible and I can do needed packaging Apr 18 19:32:45 you don't need my permission as every component is open source. Apr 18 19:32:50 and my few little scripts too. Apr 18 19:33:03 NIN101, uboot can load any kernel & initfs image before starting maemo/rootfs Apr 18 19:33:13 I'm just asking what do you think about it? Apr 18 19:33:15 Pali: rescueos-bootimg that installs in /opt/boot? Apr 18 19:33:34 kerio, yes Apr 18 19:33:46 meh, i already have that :P Apr 18 19:33:52 me too :-) Apr 18 19:34:10 but it is not in extras-devel so not easy to distribute for end users Apr 18 19:34:24 the main idea of rescueos that you don't need anything preinstalled to boot it. but what you describe at least sounds nice and useful. Apr 18 19:34:37 oh, it's actually amazing as an on-device thing Apr 18 19:39:05 thx :-). Apr 18 20:00:48 should I run apt-get upgrade?: Apr 18 20:00:51 following packages have been kept back: Apr 18 20:00:51 libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 Apr 18 20:00:51 The following packages will be upgraded: Apr 18 20:00:51 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg libpurple0 libzbar0 python-location python-protobuf Apr 18 20:05:53 hey Apr 18 20:05:58 got my 32GB SD from amazon finally heh Apr 18 20:06:01 nice Apr 18 20:06:06 c10 :) Apr 18 20:06:22 let me run off and throw music and stuff on it Apr 18 20:12:59 ah, Macer did you sort the camera issue out? Was is the user-dir file? Apr 18 20:30:30 sysop's: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89831 "Problem with git push to Garage" Apr 18 20:43:54 sixwheeledbeast: yes Apr 18 20:44:01 sorry... was doing stuff Apr 18 20:44:05 but yes it was the dirs file Apr 18 20:44:13 i didn't even have one which was odd Apr 18 20:44:29 i have to decide on what to do with the internal storage heh Apr 18 20:44:43 since i have a 64GB N900 now (2x32GB) Apr 18 20:45:15 i was just thinking of keeping movies/shows on the internal storage since i don't change that stuff much anyways Apr 18 20:45:23 but now i have to start encoding stuff that will actually play on the n900 heh Apr 18 20:45:31 i don't even know the best settings to use have to figure that out Apr 18 20:45:58 Macer: kk, it has been known before that the file could be missing but noone has yet to workout why. Apr 18 20:46:56 * sixwheeledbeast has a 96GB N900 Apr 18 20:47:11 96? Apr 18 20:47:21 did you use a thumb drive in the usb port or something? heh Apr 18 20:47:34 how can i get the obex to access the SD? Apr 18 20:47:51 it seems to only send you to the internal storage Apr 18 20:47:54 32 gb of internal storage and a 64gb usd? Apr 18 20:48:00 I just have a 16G microsd in my n900, and I really have no use for it :\ Apr 18 20:48:03 Macer: make a symlink in ~/.obex-root Apr 18 20:48:13 kerio: ah ok Apr 18 20:48:26 well minus two 800mb swap spaces (64GB uSD+32GB eMMC) Apr 18 20:48:28 Pali: rescueos is meant to crank up a system from scratch, so it doesn't basically matter what it uses, as long as the system is as close to standard os as possible Apr 18 20:48:45 sixwheeledbeast: i didn't think ther were 64GB SDHC Apr 18 20:48:49 and that SDXC doesn't work Apr 18 20:48:55 DocScrutinizer05: huge problem: no recent mtd-utils :( Apr 18 20:49:01 SDXC and they work Apr 18 20:49:11 wow really?? Apr 18 20:49:20 if i knew that i'd have gotten a 64GB sd lol Apr 18 20:49:40 i got the 32 because i just assumed the sdxc wasn't compatible Apr 18 20:49:58 Macer: you should of asked :P Apr 18 20:50:06 haha.. yeah i guess so Apr 18 20:50:13 they shuld be backward compatible, but might fail for capacities >(iirc)64GB Apr 18 20:50:35 hmm... i should swap to my 16G card... Apr 18 20:50:57 i have an 8GB for nemo testing heh Apr 18 20:51:14 speaking of which i should try nemo out.. there were a few bugs they said they fixed as far as an n900 goes Apr 18 20:51:23 i've been testing it out on my broke modem n900 Apr 18 20:51:25 though afaik SDXC introduces a new faster interface spec, they should support old interface as well. Alas old interface hits its limits somewhere around 64GB addr space afaik Apr 18 20:52:06 on TMO more users wrote that 64GB SDXC working fine wih n900... Apr 18 20:52:16 I updated the wiki a while ago http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards Apr 18 20:52:27 only needs to remove that stupid exfat.... Apr 18 20:52:58 is there a good exfat driver for linux? Apr 18 20:54:02 kerio, yes Apr 18 20:54:13 ther is very good driver for linux :-) Apr 18 20:54:23 and faster then MS driver Apr 18 20:54:52 it has two problems: driver is proprietary and cost too much Apr 18 20:55:04 i meant a real driver Apr 18 20:55:11 this is real kernel driver Apr 18 20:55:34 created by tuxera Apr 18 20:56:01 isn't that FUSE? Apr 18 20:56:03 (those who created also very fast kernel ntfs driver - again too expensive) Apr 18 20:56:05 no Apr 18 20:56:11 it is real kernel driver Apr 18 20:56:25 also, real = available as a compile option in the kernel from github.com/torvalds/linux Apr 18 20:56:29 :) Apr 18 20:57:04 http://www.tuxera.com/products/tuxera-exfat-embedded/key-features/ Apr 18 20:57:47 kerio, there is some free oss fuse extfat driver Apr 18 20:57:51 but very very slow Apr 18 20:58:06 so not very usable Apr 18 21:00:23 easier to just use the ext2 stuff for windows it seems Apr 18 21:00:37 or just usb :) Apr 18 21:00:55 oh wait. the fs matters over usb. nm Apr 18 21:08:59 due to MS stupidity, only some first (maybe second) partitions of SD card are recognized on windows Apr 18 21:09:33 so ext2fs driver on windows cannot use 7th ext2/3 partition on SD card... Apr 18 21:13:35 ok. let me try out this obex again and see if i can use kde to just copy files over to the n900 Apr 18 21:13:52 having a wire connected to the usb port makes me nervous :) Apr 18 21:16:37 Macer: bluetooth is ~200KB/s Apr 18 21:18:56 wow really? Apr 18 21:19:00 yeah better use wifi or the usb notwork Apr 18 21:19:57 wtf Apr 18 21:20:02 kde doesn't support writing to obexftp Apr 18 21:20:04 that's insane Apr 18 21:22:01 madness Apr 18 21:22:20 with all those konqueror plugins or whatever they call it, I would have thought they do Apr 18 21:22:26 heh Apr 18 21:22:31 seems not Apr 18 21:22:44 it's not the n900.. didn't work on the e7 either Apr 18 21:22:57 i don't think kde properly supports bt file xfering :-/ Apr 18 21:22:57 fail Apr 18 21:23:49 is there a filemanager that supports smb? Apr 18 21:25:03 hm iirc konqueror knows smbfs or something like that but i just use scp over wifi Apr 18 21:25:05 maybe you are missing something? I think that one is supported http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_113/opensuse-kdeuser/cha.network.html Apr 18 21:26:00 which one? Apr 18 21:26:08 i meant on the n900 ;) Apr 18 21:26:12 not on the kde laptop Apr 18 21:26:20 oh.. Apr 18 21:26:25 is there a filemanager on the n900 that supports smb? Apr 18 21:26:31 oh Apr 18 21:26:36 as i said scp works Apr 18 21:27:20 yah but isn't the same ;) Apr 18 21:27:28 for that i could use sftp Apr 18 21:27:28 heh Apr 18 21:27:57 i ordered a 2nd prepaid sim for my E7 .. which will be turned into nothing more than a glorified workout device heh Apr 18 21:41:23 Macer, try wizard mounter and filebox for smb Apr 18 21:41:55 for a weird reason the built in file manager of the N900 is snail-slow if the smb mount has unicode filenames in it Apr 18 21:43:00 that said, using smb to transfer files between linux machines is suboptimal Apr 18 21:43:47 yeah fair point but i'm going over smb anyways ;) Apr 18 21:43:49 I've given the N900 a static ip lease from my router and scp files over (or use filezilla) Apr 18 21:43:51 so life goes on heh Apr 18 21:44:10 yeah but you would think that sftp would have massive overhead Apr 18 21:44:16 at least more than smb Apr 18 21:44:45 but i understand your point. i suppose i can use filezilla if all else fails. Apr 18 21:44:48 I'm using smb in the office because one of the pc's is windows, and I can literally download faster from the internet than I can do transfers over gigabit Apr 18 21:44:55 bt xfers to the e7 weren't too bad Apr 18 21:45:04 wow really? Apr 18 21:45:16 i ususally get decent speeds between my synology and linux boxes using smb Apr 18 21:45:26 even more so to the windows boxes ;) Apr 18 21:45:36 except if my net topology has something really wrong Apr 18 21:45:40 i get like 70MB+/s Apr 18 21:45:46 !! Apr 18 21:45:58 and that's from a junk synology ;) Apr 18 21:46:01 ds411j Apr 18 21:46:21 i wanted to build a new nas but i am holding off on it for a bit Apr 18 21:46:58 Hmm, I must check it out then, I always thought it's smb that's so slow Apr 18 21:49:11 another cool thing for filetransfers is to keep a folder synced with unison Apr 18 21:50:10 give a domain to your pc, set up port forwarding, set the router dns to point to the domain internally for LAN machines Apr 18 21:51:30 so you can just throw files in the sync folder and get them on the N900 either when on the same lan or over the internet Apr 18 22:02:16 does anybody have a link to dealextreme or the like handy to order replacement usb ports? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 19 02:59:58 2013