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Apr 19 03:33:50 <Avasz> desktop doesnt rotate but other app does. used to rotate but now after a reflash does not.
Apr 19 03:55:48 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-stable?
Apr 19 03:56:02 <Avasz> DocScrutinizer05, yes
Apr 19 03:56:17 <Avasz> forcedrotation = 1
Apr 19 03:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to unset a few gconf-keys
Apr 19 03:56:44 <Avasz> which ones, how?
Apr 19 03:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I have the inverse problem with cssu-t
Apr 19 03:56:56 <DocScrutinizer05> see 
Apr 19 03:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Apr 19 03:56:59 <Avasz> inverse means?
Apr 19 03:57:00 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Apr 19 03:57:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and reverse the instructions there
Apr 19 03:57:21 <Avasz> ok!
Apr 19 03:57:31 <Avasz> i just installed rotatedaemon and it made matters even worse. haha
Apr 19 03:58:36 <DocScrutinizer05> To get rid of the ubiquitous autorotating while still allowing dialer to switch to portrait mode (doesn't lock microB, for now I will live with it):
Apr 19 03:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05> gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false
Apr 19 03:58:39 <DocScrutinizer05> reboot
Apr 19 03:59:03 <Avasz> DocScrutinizer05, one question. it worked before and doesnt work now, how come that?
Apr 19 03:59:07 <DocScrutinizer05> you wabt to delete or set to true that key
Apr 19 03:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05> want
Apr 19 04:00:04 <DocScrutinizer05> this comes simply from that key being default for cssu-stable
Apr 19 04:00:49 <Avasz> seems like /apps doesnt exists
Apr 19 04:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 19 04:01:19 <DocScrutinizer05> why do you say that?
Apr 19 04:01:47 <Avasz> sorry. its gconftool command. got confused for a bit there. my mistake
Apr 19 04:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> thought as much
Apr 19 04:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> no tab expansion here
Apr 19 04:02:10 <Avasz> yeah, understood.
Apr 19 04:02:34 <Avasz> but did not understand that: this comes simply from that key being default for cssu-stable
Apr 19 04:02:56 <DocScrutinizer05> with reflashing you installed that gconf-key
Apr 19 04:03:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it comes per default with cssu-stable, to forbid desktop rotation
Apr 19 04:03:55 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-stable is supposed to look and feel exactly like stock maemo
Apr 19 04:04:15 <DocScrutinizer05> thus desktop rotation is blocked by default
Apr 19 04:04:26 <Avasz> ok.
Apr 19 04:04:34 <Avasz> anything else needed to be done after rebooting?
Apr 19 04:04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Apr 19 04:05:00 <Avasz> hmm. desktop doesnt rotate still
Apr 19 04:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> that's strange
Apr 19 04:05:34 <DocScrutinizer05> you did   gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool true
Apr 19 04:05:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Apr 19 04:05:43 <Avasz> no false
Apr 19 04:05:49 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Apr 19 04:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-19 05:58:36] <DocScrutinizer05> To **get rid** of the ubiquitous autorotating..
Apr 19 04:06:34 <Avasz> "you want to delete or set to true that key"
Apr 19 04:06:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, exactly
Apr 19 04:07:10 <Avasz> with false and reboot, it looks all weird!
Apr 19 04:09:27 <Avasz> still doesnt rotate.
Apr 19 04:09:37 <Avasz> applications rotate perfectly.
Apr 19 04:11:16 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no idea then. I have cssu-t - with friggin rotation-lock-applet in status menu - and each time I accidentally hit that button, my desktop starts rotating and since I hate that I have to do gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false to fix it again
Apr 19 04:11:43 <Avasz> DocScrutinizer05, wait, worked fine.
Apr 19 04:12:21 <Avasz> thanks a lot.
Apr 19 04:13:09 <Avasz> there is this status area applet to lock orientation in ladscape mode. can something be used to do the same for portrait mode too?
Apr 19 04:13:30 <Avasz> no need of status area applet. just a command to trigger would be fine.
Apr 19 04:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know since I hate rotation
Apr 19 04:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> but aiui this applet is meant to lock whatever orientation is in efect when you hit it, no?
Apr 19 04:17:04 <Avasz> no, it locks only landspace
Apr 19 04:17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> that's nasty
Apr 19 04:17:40 <Avasz> do you have kp52?
Apr 19 04:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Apr 19 04:18:40 <Avasz> bleeding edge wireless driver and some others are not working properly with it.
Apr 19 04:18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and I really wonder why it seems so hard to get orientation/rotation right when I don't constantly bash nonsense
Apr 19 04:19:06 <DocScrutinizer05> in CSSU 
Apr 19 04:19:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that's an expected thing
Apr 19 04:19:51 <Avasz> so that will be fixed in near future?
Apr 19 04:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> what you call drivers are actually kernel modules. You need the modules matching your particular kernel version
Apr 19 04:20:36 <DocScrutinizer05> pester pali
Apr 19 04:21:12 <DocScrutinizer05> if PK52 doesn't come with working comprehensive modules
Apr 19 04:52:32 <Macer> tmob has a $2/day if you use it prepaid plan
Apr 19 05:05:02 <Macer> hm
Apr 19 05:05:12 <Macer> the n900 using bt dun seems to have less latency than the e7
Apr 19 05:05:12 <Macer> odd
Apr 19 06:45:57 <XATRIX> Hi guys, did anyone try to test ubuntu touch on RX51?
Apr 19 07:56:08 <XATRIX> How can i upgrade my flash player libs ?
Apr 19 07:56:32 <XATRIX> Someone gave me a link on a howto on maemo.org
Apr 19 07:56:41 <XATRIX> But i can't remember where is it
Apr 19 07:56:52 <XATRIX> ~libflashplayer.so
Apr 19 07:56:59 <XATRIX> ~rmo
Apr 19 07:57:00 <infobot> methinks rmo is repository.maemo.org
Apr 19 07:57:13 <XATRIX> ~flash
Apr 19 07:57:15 <infobot> [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 19 07:57:26 <XATRIX> ~flashplayer
Apr 19 07:57:32 <XATRIX> :(
Apr 19 08:09:22 <andre__> XATRIX: make Adobe package a version 11 (?) for the ARM platform?
Apr 19 08:10:09 <kerio> 10 is the stable version, isn't it
Apr 19 08:10:29 <andre__> I have no idea, and I don't really care anymore :P
Apr 19 08:10:35 <andre__> though I wonder if there are some nuggets of wisdom in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82844
Apr 19 08:11:10 <andre__> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html tells me that I have version 11.
Apr 19 08:11:16 <andre__> so I guess that's the stable one.
Apr 19 08:21:25 <XATRIX> kerio: where did you find flash 10 for maemo ?
Apr 19 08:27:35 <rikanee> ~flashplayer10 is http://www.4shared.com/file/n-G873Kt/adobe-flashplayer-10.html
Apr 19 08:27:36 <infobot> okay, rikanee
Apr 19 08:27:39 <XATRIX> what can you say about this one http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922&highlight=flash10&page=230
Apr 19 08:27:40 <XATRIX> ?
Apr 19 08:28:15 <XATRIX> It's not a plain Teak-flash
Apr 19 08:28:24 <rikanee> XATRIX: that's a hex edited one to make it look like Flash 11.4
Apr 19 08:28:35 <rikanee> oh, but the actual plugin binary is Flash 10
Apr 19 08:28:49 <rikanee> hmm
Apr 19 08:29:00 <rikanee> ~forget flashplayer10
Apr 19 08:29:00 <infobot> i forgot flashplayer10, rikanee
Apr 19 08:29:06 <rikanee> ~flashplayer is http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1295928&postcount=2268
Apr 19 08:29:06 <infobot> okay, rikanee
Apr 19 08:30:11 <rikanee> note though, flash content still consumes an obscene amount of CPU resources
Apr 19 08:58:03 <XATRIX> Yes, but sometimes you can't escape of flash :)
Apr 19 09:01:51 <vi__> flashblock
Apr 19 09:02:04 <vi__> through user.css file
Apr 19 11:51:01 <Macer> hm
Apr 19 11:51:09 <Macer> droid font is the best for xterm
Apr 19 11:51:28 <Macer> all the other mono fonts don't fit well
Apr 19 12:23:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Apr 19 12:23:52 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05
Apr 19 13:18:37 <Macer> hm
Apr 19 13:18:43 <Macer> there is a twitter share option somewhere right? :)
Apr 19 13:19:14 <Macer> ah ok. there is a sharing plugin
Apr 19 13:19:25 <Macer> nice
Apr 19 13:39:28 <Macer> well
Apr 19 13:39:38 <Macer> there is no way to post other than using the browser? :)
Apr 19 13:39:41 <Macer> kind of lame isn't it?
Apr 19 13:40:16 <Macer> but then again there aren't too many apps that work for fb as well... i guess fmobi even tho it has like 0 support nowadays
Apr 19 13:44:11 <merlin1991> Macer: there's ie TweeGo
Apr 19 13:44:51 <merlin1991> http://maemo.org/packages/view/tweego/
Apr 19 13:45:16 <merlin1991> though you have to grab the version from the tmo thread, the one in the repos doesn't work anymore
Apr 19 13:48:06 <Macer> yeah
Apr 19 13:48:12 <Macer> the one on the repo isn't working heh
Apr 19 13:48:14 <Macer> i just saw that
Apr 19 13:48:18 <Macer> i was trying another one... uhm....
Apr 19 13:48:28 <Macer> khweeteur?
Apr 19 13:48:46 <merlin1991> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1285988#post1285988
Apr 19 13:50:58 <Macer> The problem is, that this api version is also going down (March 2013),
Apr 19 13:51:08 <merlin1991> no idea if it already did
Apr 19 13:51:10 <merlin1991> would have to try :D
Apr 19 13:53:07 <merlin1991> if it doesn't work tell me and I'll try to write the next fix asap
Apr 19 13:53:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wtf ie
Apr 19 13:53:40 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what ie means... 
Apr 19 13:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ie
Apr 19 13:53:45 <infobot> well, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil, or the worst browser in the entire universe and it should be eliminated by any means possible, or the spawn of evil, nay all evil spawns from ie
Apr 19 13:53:47 <merlin1991> in example
Apr 19 13:53:59 <DocScrutinizer05> in expression?
Apr 19 13:54:14 <merlin1991> or that
Apr 19 13:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> for example, alias example given?
Apr 19 13:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> eg
Apr 19 13:54:24 <merlin1991> the english equivalent of z.b.
Apr 19 13:54:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ~i.e.
Apr 19 13:54:49 <infobot> i.e. is, like, http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/e.g.html
Apr 19 13:54:56 <merlin1991> or I could be 100% off and it's actually eg :D
Apr 19 13:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~eg
Apr 19 13:55:45 <infobot> from memory, eg is Egypt
Apr 19 13:55:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~e.g.
Apr 19 13:55:53 <Macer> heh
Apr 19 13:55:57 <Macer> well.....
Apr 19 13:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~useless
Apr 19 13:55:59 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Apr 19 13:56:03 <Macer> khweeteur doesn't seem tow rok
Apr 19 13:56:15 <Macer> i'll try your tweego out
Apr 19 13:56:25 <DocScrutinizer05> klingon
Apr 19 13:56:36 <DocScrutinizer05> k'plah tow rok
Apr 19 13:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05> to whom it may concern: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/public-meeting/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA==
Apr 19 13:58:41 <Macer> wow uhm
Apr 19 13:58:52 <Macer> think you kind of crossed over to the dark side man
Apr 19 13:59:17 <troulouliou_dev> hi i have somepackage that do not want to upgrade ; basically if i want to upgrade i need to purge them and reinstalled cause they are new dependencies that are located in untrusted reepos
Apr 19 13:59:24 <troulouliou_dev> is there a command to upgrade all those
Apr 19 13:59:29 <troulouliou_dev> libc is amongt them
Apr 19 14:00:05 <Macer> khweeteur is broken :) it can post can't read
Apr 19 14:00:05 <Macer> lame
Apr 19 14:05:36 <Macer> merlin1991: debs don't do deps?
Apr 19 14:05:48 <Macer> i ask because i have to manually install libqoauth
Apr 19 14:05:58 <merlin1991> yes debs don't do that
Apr 19 14:06:27 <Macer> ah well
Apr 19 14:06:29 <merlin1991> you can do some dpkg -i -someforcethingy followed by apt-get install -f to have apt solve them for you though
Apr 19 14:06:33 <Macer> let me try again heh
Apr 19 14:06:37 <Macer> yeah.... the -f would do it
Apr 19 14:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: I think your brain crossed over to dark mode
Apr 19 14:07:43 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: shhhh. i'm trying to be a twit here :-P
Apr 19 14:07:59 <Macer> wth?
Apr 19 14:08:01 <Macer> it just logged in
Apr 19 14:08:03 <Macer> the closed on me lol
Apr 19 14:09:17 <Macer> nice. works
Apr 19 14:09:18 <Macer> thanks
Apr 19 14:09:27 <DocScrutinizer05> for what?
Apr 19 14:09:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not even there
Apr 19 14:09:42 <Macer> huh?.. i was talking to merlin1991 
Apr 19 14:09:48 <Macer> are you drinking?
Apr 19 14:09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Apr 19 14:10:25 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you should
Apr 19 15:55:14 <lokimotive> yo
Apr 19 16:07:30 * thedead1440 is disappointed that nobody states anything in the meeting...
Apr 19 16:07:56 <lokimotive> wait.. what meeting?
Apr 19 16:08:12 <thedead1440> the HiFo BoD meeting
Apr 19 16:08:17 <lokimotive> is that now?
Apr 19 16:08:22 <thedead1440> yup
Apr 19 16:08:33 <lokimotive> oh where?
Apr 19 16:08:46 <thedead1440> http://www.concert-oh.com/web/public-meeting/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA==
Apr 19 16:08:53 <thedead1440> its going to end soon anyway
Apr 19 16:09:06 <thedead1440> nobody says anything to Rob about how stupid his thoughts are
Apr 19 16:09:20 <lokimotive> lol
Apr 19 16:09:44 <lokimotive> ugh really? you need an extra account for this?
Apr 19 16:09:51 <thedead1440> yeah sadly
Apr 19 16:09:58 <thedead1440> at least its open for all with an account
Apr 19 16:10:16 <thedead1440> better than previous meetings which were held on google handout or skype with no public participation ;)
Apr 19 16:11:04 <lokimotive> hm will there be some kind of log?
Apr 19 16:11:13 <thedead1440> no idea
Apr 19 16:11:28 <thedead1440> first time this is used for a public meeting
Apr 19 16:11:59 <lokimotive> i see
Apr 19 16:14:19 <thedead1440> The meeting has been recorded so you can replay it to hear it out
Apr 19 16:14:39 <lokimotive> cool
Apr 19 16:14:39 <thedead1440> there is some logs too of the chat during meeting from what i understand
Apr 19 16:14:50 <thedead1440> click around and find it ;)
Apr 19 16:15:00 <thedead1440> ...and meeting ended...
Apr 19 16:15:14 <Drathir> ~log
Apr 19 16:15:16 <infobot> i guess log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
Apr 19 16:17:06 <lokimotive> uh fancy
Apr 19 16:39:38 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] today's council meeting at #maemo-meeting will be 60 min late, starting at 1900UTC (~2:20  from now)
Apr 19 16:41:00 <kerio> council meeting is late, news at 11
Apr 19 16:41:29 <Woody14619> Ah.. ok. :)
Apr 19 16:59:07 <Macer> wtf??
Apr 19 16:59:18 <Macer> microb just sent me to here.com
Apr 19 16:59:19 <Macer> for ovi
Apr 19 17:03:00 <Macer> ugh
Apr 19 17:03:04 <Macer> fmobi doesn't work anymore :(
Apr 19 17:03:07 <Macer> i actually paid for it
Apr 19 17:03:42 <kerio> for what?
Apr 19 17:03:48 <Macer> n900
Apr 19 17:03:49 <Macer> maemo
Apr 19 17:03:56 <Macer> keep getting 403 errors
Apr 19 17:06:49 <Macer> and of course the touch version of fb doesn't work well
Apr 19 17:06:59 <Macer> and the new timeline/otherbloat runs like crap
Apr 19 17:09:09 <Macer> in microb i can't seem to access the touch.facebook.com menu
Apr 19 17:09:12 <Macer> on the top left :-/
Apr 19 17:09:48 <Macer> i can't really use anything tbh
Apr 19 17:09:52 <Macer> i think i was able to "like" something
Apr 19 17:09:53 <Macer> wtf?
Apr 19 17:09:55 <Macer> microb fail
Apr 19 17:42:25 <Drathir> Macer: you use opera?
Apr 19 17:42:52 <Macer> sometimes
Apr 19 17:43:01 <Macer> i just tried it as well for touch.facebook.com
Apr 19 17:43:08 <Macer> xml failure? :-/
Apr 19 17:43:10 <Macer> wth?
Apr 19 17:43:16 <Macer> xml parse error
Apr 19 17:43:25 <Macer> i use opera on my e7 over the stock crap browser
Apr 19 17:43:26 <Drathir> ok i check too...
Apr 19 17:43:41 <Macer> opera in symbian > stock browser
Apr 19 17:43:53 <Macer> i guess the newer fp2 stuff that is in the next gen past the e7 is supposed to be good
Apr 19 17:44:26 <Macer> opera is ditching presto in favor of wk :-/
Apr 19 17:44:27 <Macer> too bad
Apr 19 17:44:45 * Macer is reminded of when apple stopped using ppc for intel x86
Apr 19 17:46:32 <Drathir> Macer: for me that site load correctly...
Apr 19 17:47:07 <Drathir> Macer: in symbian use ucweb...
Apr 19 17:48:09 <Macer> in symbian it probably works fine heh
Apr 19 17:48:16 <Macer> although i haven't tried fmobi on my e7
Apr 19 17:48:17 <Drathir> load sucessfully inside n900 opera...
Apr 19 17:48:20 <Macer> fmobi is awesome
Apr 19 17:48:26 <Macer> when it works :-/
Apr 19 17:48:54 <Drathir> inside symbian also great is gravity...
Apr 19 17:50:21 <RST38h> Symbian...
Apr 19 17:50:29 <RST38h> Yeah, Symbian.
Apr 19 17:57:37 <Macer> yeah gravity is pretty good too
Apr 19 19:04:32 <GeneralAntilles> 2 hour voice meetings are not transparent
Apr 19 19:05:31 <GeneralAntilles> The discussion should be held in IRC meetings, Talk, or mailing lists
Apr 19 19:05:34 <Woody14619> When you don't hold a meeting for 2 months, that's what happens though.
Apr 19 19:05:52 <GeneralAntilles> Save the conference calls for the actionable stuff sans discussion
Apr 19 19:05:53 <Woody14619> Legally, an audio component is required... so says legal council at least.
Apr 19 19:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> Since they're legally required, right?
Apr 19 19:06:24 <Woody14619> I agree... convince the others of that (or elect in those that feel that way.
Apr 19 19:06:34 <GeneralAntilles>  "Item a: yea or nay", etc
Apr 19 19:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> There's no way to transcribe a 2 hour 3-way call, so you have to sit through the whole thing. 
Apr 19 19:07:29 <Woody14619> Exactly how I suggested it be done for the first meeting.  Got shot down.   I didn't bother fighting for it this time.
Apr 19 19:08:28 <Woody14619> MCC meeting starting....
Apr 19 19:09:11 <Woody14619> Assuming we don't just all implode or throw in the towel... which everyone seems to be wanting to do despite what I see as progress made.
Apr 19 19:16:28 <ShadowJK> considering intel and nokia were capable of text meetings...
Apr 19 19:17:08 <RST38h> didn't do 'em much good
Apr 19 19:18:20 <ShadowJK> Transparency?
Apr 19 19:18:51 <ShadowJK> I guess it's bad for you
Apr 19 19:18:51 <ShadowJK> And hifo is pursuing correct approach with opacity then? :P
Apr 19 19:25:06 <darodi> Hi, I have multiboot with 00-Maemo-2.6.28-omap1.item                     11-NITDroid-mmcblk0p2-2.6.28.NIT.07.item       20-Maemo5-kernel-power-2.6.28.10-power51.item
Apr 19 19:25:07 <darodi> and cssu thumb
Apr 19 19:25:07 <darodi> could someone help me migrate to u-boot?
Apr 19 22:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> while I accept that certain form of meeting (voice etc) is mandatory for the one mandatory meeting per year or whatever, I highly doubt all meetings have to be done like that
Apr 19 22:13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> only those meetings that are mandatory (like, for appointing or dismissing directors, changing bylaws, etc) also have mandatory form
Apr 19 22:14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> for the rest of meetings, even for those declared mandatory in own bylaws, I think any form that's not in conflict to bylaws will do
Apr 19 22:17:11 <DocScrutinizer05> at least here in Europe you need a so called "full meeting" (with mandatory schedule like once a year) for the basic organizational stuff like electing new treasurer, director, secretary, aso. This has to be announced and be open to all members of that club or organization
Apr 19 22:17:28 <DocScrutinizer05> everything else is up to you
Apr 19 23:11:53 <sixwheeledbeast> night all :)
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