**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 20 02:59:57 2013
Apr 20 10:23:52 <Pali> New version 2013.04-1 of U-Boot is in Extras-Devel
Apr 20 10:23:57 <Pali> see TMO thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Apr 20 10:32:40 <kerio> yay
Apr 20 10:33:04 <kerio> Pali: * Do not compile U-Boot on autobuilder, but use precompiled version by my gcc 4.7
Apr 20 10:33:10 <kerio> hmm, does that mean that it's less trustworthy? :P
Apr 20 10:33:42 <Pali> autobuilder has old gcc which do not compile uboot correctly
Apr 20 10:34:12 <Pali> so this is only solution how to push new working uboot to extras-devel
Apr 20 10:34:20 <kerio> that's exactly what someone who's planting malicious code in uboot would say!
Apr 20 10:35:04 <Pali> you can download uboot source code, compile it yourself
Apr 20 10:35:25 <Pali> use compiler: gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-2ubuntu1)
Apr 20 10:35:40 <Pali> gcc is deterministic, so then you should have same binary
Apr 20 10:35:54 <kerio> that's exactly what someone who planted malicious code in ubuntu's gcc4.7 would say!
Apr 20 10:36:37 <Sicelo> lol kerio
Apr 20 10:36:37 <Pali> then you should not use any linux distribution (also maemo), because it has same problem
Apr 20 10:36:45 <Pali> :D
Apr 20 10:36:48 <kerio> i think i can get as far as "that's exactly what someone who planted malicious specs in K&R C would say!"
Apr 20 10:37:35 <kerio> Pali: do you have the .bin with no kernel somewhere? or do i have to unpack the bootimg deb manually?
Apr 20 10:37:59 <Pali> kerio, did you hear about backdoor in kernighan C compiler? :-)
Apr 20 10:38:25 <Pali> kerio, it is in package u-boot-bootimg
Apr 20 10:43:03 <kerio> Pali: hmm, i can't disable the attachboot entry as easily anymore
Apr 20 10:46:41 <kerio> oh no nvm, i suck
Apr 20 12:50:56 <kerio> Pali: how many times can i load the u-boot bootimg? :D
Apr 20 12:51:49 <Pali> I do not understand... images are not protected with DRM...
Apr 20 12:52:03 <kerio> no, i mean from uboot
Apr 20 12:52:13 <kerio> and then load it from the loaded uboot
Apr 20 12:52:14 <Pali> ah, load uboot from uboot? :D
Apr 20 12:52:26 <Pali> how many you want :D
Apr 20 12:52:45 <Pali> it just load image into memory and jump to start address
Apr 20 14:15:12 <DocScrutinizer05> gcc? deterministic? that's new
Apr 20 14:16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes, at rising tide, on fridays, on same machine, you actually can get same binary from same source for two runs
Apr 20 14:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> but only when you don't run akonadi on same machine during build
Apr 20 14:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Apr 20 14:21:13 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, I have removed akonadi server :D
Apr 20 14:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> aah good
Apr 20 14:21:31 <Pali> I have my own kdepim 4.4 without akonadi and nepomuk
Apr 20 14:21:44 <Pali> and kmail working :-)
Apr 20 14:22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I have kdepim4.4 and it *still* needs akonadi. friggin shit
Apr 20 14:23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and when akonadi has blown chunks once again, you notice the fact by finding your mail edit window freeze as soon  as errr you type a mailaddr in text, or whatever
Apr 20 14:23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> it freezes completely then, and reproducably
Apr 20 14:24:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and takes whole kdepim aka kontact with it
Apr 20 14:25:20 <DocScrutinizer05> akonadictl restart   helps, but will render the konsole you type it in useless
Apr 20 14:25:49 <DocScrutinizer05> since from then on you see console spammed with diagnostic shit, despite no background job 
Apr 20 14:27:29 <DocScrutinizer05> even better: since kdepim4.4 my update handler is borked
Apr 20 14:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> much like apt when you install procps on maemo
Apr 20 14:34:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly seem to get too old for that computer shit
Apr 20 14:37:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I feel like running a junkyard and diligently sorting spare parts in 1000s of drawers and shelf, and every now and then there comes a warning like "New update! we had to scrap all your stuff" and I end with all the pieces I sorted dumped on a huge pile unsorted to a new location. Then I start like "ummmm, *somewhere* in that pile there been a shock absorber for Toyota"
Apr 20 14:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> this year I suffered from same event THREE times
Apr 20 14:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean I only have a huge amount (~500k) of emails. What do those who have a huge amount of mp3 or photos that they sorted and categorized with much effort, when there comes an update of tracker, or Kamera, or amaroK, or whatever. Will they shrug it away and start sorting stuff anew?
Apr 20 14:50:59 <DocScrutinizer05> (if you didn't notice: the above been a violent bashing of tracker, rendering it fubar by design for any serious usecase)
Apr 20 14:54:23 <DocScrutinizer05> while I still can find filesytem drivers to loopmount images of my CP/M machines' disks, I CANNOT find a image viewer that knows about tracker db of just 4 years ago
Apr 20 14:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> while I most likely write a job in 5 bashlines, that copies my files incl dir hierarchy or whatever, from CP/M to btrfs, I can't find a converter from trackerdb1.0 to trackerdb1.2 (made up numbers)
Apr 20 15:00:03 <DocScrutinizer05> those who invented the concept of obsoleting filesystem hierarchy and hiding it under a meta-hierarchy/fs created by a sql db in tracker, those gasheads ought get executed by shooting them with warm owl shit
Apr 20 15:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> it's like "hey, lets augment the family name on your doorplate by your birthday and hair color and size, and then we can eliminate all street names. Letters and parcels will find their way nevertheless"
Apr 20 15:05:51 <Macer> wow
Apr 20 15:05:55 <Macer> fmobi is still broken :-/
Apr 20 15:06:05 <Macer> last time i ever actually pay for software
Apr 20 15:06:17 <Macer> reasons like that are why people sould pirate lol
Apr 20 15:06:33 <Macer> it half ass worked like for a week.. then stopped working at all
Apr 20 15:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> notions like this are why software gets worse by the day, not better
Apr 20 15:10:56 <ShadowJK> What's fmobi?
Apr 20 15:10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> wordstar been more reliable, fatser, and more fun to use than any friggin wysiwyg editor like M$-Word is today
Apr 20 15:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> faster*
Apr 20 15:11:48 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, I have my *own* patched kdepim 4.4
Apr 20 15:11:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: yeah, i know
Apr 20 15:12:04 <Pali> :-)
Apr 20 15:12:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I failed at building it
Apr 20 15:12:27 <DocScrutinizer05> too many unmet dependencies 
Apr 20 15:12:47 <DocScrutinizer05> too many conflicts when trying to provide the dependencies
Apr 20 15:13:13 <Pali> this is because of kde...
Apr 20 15:13:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Apr 20 15:13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> KDA4 da shite
Apr 20 15:13:33 <Pali> you can build everything from source
Apr 20 15:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> KDE even
Apr 20 15:13:40 <Pali> so you will have all dependences
Apr 20 15:14:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, or I build suse11.3 from scratch
Apr 20 15:14:52 <Pali> you can use suse OBS and build all there :-)
Apr 20 15:15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you should think with *all* the *bashing* of friggin akonadi you can find on forums, *somebody* should've already done this
Apr 20 15:20:56 <Macer> wtf
Apr 20 15:21:05 <Macer> ShadowJK: facebook client
Apr 20 15:21:13 <Macer> probably the best one ever for all platforms when it actually works heh
Apr 20 15:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf is facebook?
Apr 20 15:46:21 <ShadowJK> is it like myspace
Apr 20 15:47:15 <Macer> haha
Apr 20 15:47:23 <Macer> i'd say a bit different
Apr 20 15:47:29 <Macer> i'd say more like G+ :)
Apr 20 15:47:38 <Macer> myspace requires that whole background and music shit
Apr 20 15:47:39 <sixwheeledbeast> I have heard it's some imaginary place on the net, where people pretend to be friends and play silly games.
Apr 20 15:47:51 <sixwheeledbeast> ~facebook
Apr 20 15:47:51 <Macer> sixwheeledbeast: no.. that's world of warcraft
Apr 20 15:48:24 <Macer> facebook is more a place where i keep up with the people with whom i served in the USMC 
Apr 20 15:48:36 <Macer> amongst others :)
Apr 20 15:48:43 <sixwheeledbeast> WoW is one game not game(s)
Apr 20 15:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome, good bot
Apr 20 15:48:55 <Macer> there are side games in wow 
Apr 20 15:48:58 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 15:49:22 <Macer> i played WoW for like a couple weeks... and couldn't understand how someone could do it
Apr 20 15:49:29 <Macer> it was very unexciting
Apr 20 15:50:40 <Macer> i ordered a 2nd sim for my e7 so i can use it to go running :)
Apr 20 15:50:43 <Macer> prepaid is awesome
Apr 20 15:51:08 <Macer> i don't care what plan you can get with any carrier.. if it is an actual plan it is twice the price of 2 prepaid sims
Apr 20 15:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> well, facebook is very exciting - you never know when some shit happens, like a stupid applet transferring all your private data to that service, to spam others, or somebody abusing you and your account, or 13500 "friends" meet at your door for a party
Apr 20 15:52:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so yeah, fb > WoW
Apr 20 15:52:30 <Macer> well.. there's awesome tricks to avoid that: 1. don't store your private data on fb, 2. don't use stupid applet 3. don't be an attention whore who friends a bunch of people you don't really even know
Apr 20 15:52:45 <Macer> can't really blame fb for stupidity :)
Apr 20 15:52:59 <Macer> thus far it has worked great to keep myself and my friends from the service in touch
Apr 20 15:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> can't really blame the virus malware for user stupidity either
Apr 20 15:53:40 <Macer> sure.. you blame the stupid user who should have known the free shit had something attached to it :)
Apr 20 15:53:51 <Macer> oh wow! bowling santa! free! 
Apr 20 15:53:58 <Macer> attached in this facebook viagra ad!
Apr 20 15:54:06 <Macer> INSTALL NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH
Apr 20 15:54:21 <Macer> common sense issue :) 
Apr 20 15:54:42 <Macer> same for the fools who kept bitcoins in "online banks" and were shocked when someone stole them all
Apr 20 15:54:57 <Macer> ZOMG! that russian run online bank lost all your bitcoins??
Apr 20 15:55:01 <Macer> LIES!
Apr 20 15:55:23 <kerio> Macer: online wallets are somewhat doable if you do it like MEGA, with local encryption
Apr 20 15:55:48 <kerio> aka, you run a bitcoin client written in javascript
Apr 20 15:55:57 <Macer> heh... hey.. just sayingn 
Apr 20 15:56:05 <Macer> obviously it didn't work out then ;)
Apr 20 15:56:20 <Macer> and even then.. if something goes astray and the service loses the wallet?
Apr 20 15:56:25 <Macer> it's jsut poof ... gone
Apr 20 16:05:17 <kerio> yeah, online wallets are stupid
Apr 20 19:31:41 <Woody14619a> docscrutinizer05: ping
Apr 20 19:35:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a: pong
Apr 20 19:36:09 <Macer> wtf
Apr 20 19:36:17 <Macer> all of a sudden my tmob signal seems to be shit
Apr 20 19:36:35 <Macer> it was working fine for a while and now it drops to 2.5G in the basement or loses its signal
Apr 20 19:36:44 <Macer> prepaid getting the sort end of the stick? :)
Apr 20 19:37:21 <DocScrutinizer05> signal doesn't test for your contract
Apr 20 19:37:55 <Macer> i guess that's a fair point heh
Apr 20 19:38:08 <Macer> there isn't a way for the tower to assign block a to antenna b with power c?
Apr 20 19:38:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a: I'd hope for any of the other council taking care about editing that mail template, I'm suffering burnout
Apr 20 19:40:08 <kerio> Pali: is there a gadget module to do usb MTP?
Apr 20 19:43:28 <Pali> ~lart kerio
Apr 20 19:43:28 * infobot gives kerio a good seeing to
Apr 20 19:43:34 <Pali> no MTP
Apr 20 19:45:33 <Pali> MTP is most stupid protocol for usb
Apr 20 19:46:43 <Macer> but it's awesome for devices :)
Apr 20 19:47:01 <Macer> no need to lock down storage in order to move files to 
Apr 20 19:47:49 <Pali> sftp subsystem via IP is event faster and better
Apr 20 19:48:15 <Macer> lies!
Apr 20 19:49:54 <Pali> MTP is non sense protocol, authors shouldnt touch computers anymore 
Apr 20 19:50:26 <Pali> to not create worse disaster
Apr 20 19:51:02 <Pali> and ACPI is seconds
Apr 20 19:59:11 * kerio writes a rfc for ACPI over USB MTP
Apr 20 19:59:52 <DocScrutinizer05> comment: GFOAD
Apr 20 20:00:16 <kerio> soon, systemd will support it! mwahahaha!
Apr 20 20:00:21 <DocScrutinizer05> you requested for comment
Apr 20 20:02:43 <wxcafe> i agree with "mtp is nonsense protocol"
Apr 20 20:02:56 <wxcafe> and i laugh at "systemd will support it"
Apr 20 20:03:05 <wxcafe> systemd does not support even itself
Apr 20 20:27:50 <Sicelo> ah, MTP is an M$ protocol..
Apr 20 21:21:45 <Macer> wow
Apr 20 21:21:51 <Macer> tmobile is totally broken
Apr 20 21:22:11 <Macer> Stack Trace: 
Apr 20 21:22:12 <Macer> [SocketException (0x2746): An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host] System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.Read(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 size) +232
Apr 20 21:22:15 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 21:22:37 <Macer> maybe that explains why their service is shit today too?
Apr 20 21:23:32 <Macer> what fking company works on their site on a saturday?
Apr 20 21:27:02 <Macer> wtf this tmobile service is ridiculous today
Apr 20 21:27:10 <Macer> it was fine for 2 months and now it is awful today
Apr 20 21:44:15 <Macer> wth
Apr 20 21:44:18 <Macer> let me try my e7 out
Apr 20 21:44:22 <Macer> maybe it's the n900
Apr 20 21:44:25 <Macer> another lemon? lol
Apr 20 21:46:03 <Macer> i literally have 0 signal
Apr 20 21:46:10 <Macer> and wehre i am i usually had a signal just fine
Apr 20 21:46:13 <Macer> wth? 
Apr 20 21:51:46 <nox-> maybe the tower is just down i.e. in maintainance?
Apr 20 22:04:24 <Macer> i'm online chatting with the tech guy
Apr 20 22:04:26 <Macer> and.....
Apr 20 22:04:29 <Macer> Oh, okay. Please feel free to approach me once it is switched Off so I can start
Apr 20 22:04:37 <Macer> outsourcing fail
Apr 20 22:04:51 <Macer> i have "approached" him now that it is off :)
Apr 20 22:05:10 <Macer> lmfao
Apr 20 22:05:22 <Macer> his name is Michael G. :)
Apr 20 22:05:55 <Macer> $10 says G stands for Patel
Apr 20 22:06:50 <Macer> nox-: that's what i asked. you would think this would be easy to figure out 
Apr 20 22:07:02 <Macer> but he has me doing these YES/NO steps that the computer has him doing
Apr 20 22:07:40 <nox-> :/
Apr 20 22:08:01 <nox-> maybe he doesnt know which tower that would be...
Apr 20 22:10:12 <Macer> dude.. he should have a giant map at his fingertips :)
Apr 20 22:10:13 <Macer> lol
Apr 20 22:10:17 <Macer> and he asked for my address
Apr 20 22:10:24 <Macer> so i guess all i can do is wait
Apr 20 22:10:42 <Macer> I am so sorry for the great inconvenience this has caused you, Gilbert
Apr 20 22:10:46 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 22:11:22 <Macer> ah well. what can you do :) 
Apr 20 22:30:32 <Macer> ok
Apr 20 22:30:43 <Macer> there is no way t-mobile does "maintenance" in the middle of a saturday lol
Apr 20 22:30:46 <Macer> that's insane
Apr 20 22:31:34 <Macer> i am completely losing my signal
Apr 20 22:32:23 <nox-> well maybe its not _planned_ "maintenance" then...
Apr 20 22:32:30 <nox-> :P
Apr 20 22:40:09 <Macer> yeah
Apr 20 22:40:10 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 22:40:24 <Macer> their network was hax0red by verizon! for them trying to be different !!
Apr 20 22:40:25 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 22:40:32 <Macer> he said something about rolling out lte?
Apr 20 22:40:34 <Macer> lies i'm sure
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