**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 23 02:59:58 2013
Apr 23 06:08:13 <lokimotive> oi
Apr 23 09:49:02 <Drathir> how often is update ca certs in maemo?
Apr 23 10:19:43 <andre__> Drathir: never? :)
Apr 23 11:16:38 <freemangordon> andre__: hmm? http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commits/master
Apr 23 11:17:45 <Drathir> andre__: thats hurt...
Apr 23 11:20:29 <Drathir> freemangordon: tis included in cssu trees?
Apr 23 11:21:18 <Drathir> *this included in all cssu trees?
Apr 23 11:21:23 <freemangordon> Drathir: CSSU-thumb and CSSU-T 7.2 have the latest version, CSSU-stable is behind. Though I hope there will be a new update soon
Apr 23 11:21:46 <freemangordon> Drathir: look at the changelogs
Apr 23 11:24:11 <Drathir> freemangordon: thanks a lot... i must really think about move to thumb tree, and check how much stable it is...
Apr 23 12:26:12 <XATRIX> Hi guys, is there any other navigation software for maemo ?
Apr 23 12:26:30 <XATRIX> Or only Nokia Maps ?
Apr 23 12:27:13 <Apic> modRana
Apr 23 12:33:08 <XATRIX> hm... really nice app as for linux
Apr 23 13:03:48 <andre__> freemangordon, if people ask for CSSU, then yes. I think I'm never sure what "Maemo" means :)
Apr 23 13:04:18 <andre__> XATRIX, http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/navigation/ , http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools
Apr 23 13:04:32 <andre__> first two results on an internet search engine...
Apr 23 16:11:55 <sardini> hello,
Apr 23 16:27:41 <discopig> hello
Apr 23 18:23:00 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] could all of you please provide a tad of feedback about elections? We sent out token/ballot mails 2 days ago, you're supposed to have received such a mail if you're elicible to vote. Referendum voting is open since several hours now, I already voted. Anybody else?
Apr 23 18:24:14 <kerio> i don't have the ballot i think
Apr 23 18:26:20 <kerio> confirmed
Apr 23 18:26:23 <kerio> i don't have the ballot D:
Apr 23 18:29:35 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: who do i complain to?
Apr 23 18:30:20 <DocScrutinizer05> send a mail to council@m.o CC techstaff@m.o please
Apr 23 18:30:43 <DocScrutinizer05> check your garage account's email addr and the spam folder therein
Apr 23 18:31:08 <DocScrutinizer05> often poeple don't even know where their garage account points mails to
Apr 23 18:35:05 <DocScrutinizer05> so A) check your garage account's eamil setting  B) check that email account if it's active and maybe has spamfiltered the ballot mail  C) write a mail to council & techstaff as above, preferably from that account garage points to, and mention clearly what's your garage account (URL/nick) and that you checked the aforementioned points and you want a ballot sent to you. Subject: "elections token mail missing"
Apr 23 18:35:46 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: is "missing election token" ok? i already sent it
Apr 23 18:35:59 <kerio> garage account clearly stated
Apr 23 18:36:32 <kerio> ooh, i didn't have "I wish to receive emails from the community" enabled :s
Apr 23 18:37:15 <DocScrutinizer05> once we receive that mail, we can check if we tried to send a mail to you (or you maybe weren't eligible during last election, that we used as basis for current election's electorate), we can check if such mail bounced, and we can add you to electorate if you were missing during last election
Apr 23 18:37:36 <kerio> i think i was just missing during the last election
Apr 23 18:37:39 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I think that shouldn't stop voting email
Apr 23 18:37:40 <kerio> because i wasn't eligible to vote yet
Apr 23 18:38:21 <DocScrutinizer05> then we hope to get you in our next batch which catches all those who were'n eligable to vote during last election
Apr 23 18:38:40 <kerio> oh, i just realized it
Apr 23 18:38:44 <kerio> sending a ton of emails is /hard/
Apr 23 18:38:55 <kerio> you risk getting flagged for spam and shit like that
Apr 23 18:39:38 <DocScrutinizer05> that 'late' batch should be no more than a few hundered users, and to make sure you're encouraged to send aforementioned mail anyway
Apr 23 18:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, kerio. Exactly
Apr 23 18:40:27 <kerio> you can't just put 600 people in BCC, can you
Apr 23 18:40:35 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Apr 23 18:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> those are unique mails
Apr 23 18:41:06 <kerio> oh right
Apr 23 18:41:15 <kerio> weeeeell
Apr 23 18:41:21 <kerio> hm
Apr 23 18:41:26 <kerio> i also realized that online voting is hard, too
Apr 23 18:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a mentioned there's supposed to exist a web interface where you can ask for voting machine resending your ballot to your current garage mail account. I don't know if such interface already exists and works
Apr 23 18:43:21 <Woody14619a> IT does, but only for people with an already valid token.
Apr 23 18:43:33 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sure
Apr 23 18:43:40 <DocScrutinizer05> could you share the URL?
Apr 23 18:43:47 <Woody14619a> Think I just got the kink worked out to update karma from tmo at least in voting booth.
Apr 23 18:44:04 <Woody14619a> the link is on the vote page.  A button on the vote page for that election called "Get Token".
Apr 23 18:44:30 <DocScrutinizer05> errr? on the vote page?
Apr 23 18:44:44 <Woody14619a> yup... where it askes you to login with your token
Apr 23 18:44:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you have to sign in on the vote page
Apr 23 18:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah
Apr 23 18:46:41 <kerio> does this mean that we have to trust Woody14619a for the election?
Apr 23 18:47:08 <DocScrutinizer05> woody, we announced we'll allow *everybody* to vote this time, since services were borked during a significant period of time. So shouldn't everybody be able to request a token mail that way (as long as the email addr you use there to identify is in line with your garage account)
Apr 23 18:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: no, we're checking what woody does
Apr 23 18:48:02 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: basically everything gets done in public, so everybody can see what's going on
Apr 23 18:48:13 <kerio> i wonder if a decentralized system is doable
Apr 23 18:49:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I just announced that you are supposed to have received your token mail and I explained what to do when you haven't
Apr 23 18:49:16 <kerio> no, i meant in theory
Apr 23 18:49:22 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing you need to trust anybody in for that
Apr 23 18:49:56 <kerio> like, how do you make anonymous voting that's also restricted according to certain criteria?
Apr 23 18:50:07 <kerio> in a decentralized way, i mean
Apr 23 18:50:28 <Woody14619a> It's done... has been for ages.  We're using the same system we have for past 8 years.
Apr 23 18:50:51 <Woody14619a> 98% of changes I've made have been to change what was manual SQL commands into a web interface.
Apr 23 18:51:37 <Woody14619a> I'll be documenting it more thuroghly after the vote.. but for now, need to work on vote to get ballots out to people.
Apr 23 18:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a: could we simply create and send a ballot mail for anybody that has a garage account (since 3 months) and is using the "Get Token" link on voting page?
Apr 23 18:53:22 <DocScrutinizer05> automatically
Apr 23 18:54:28 <Woody14619a> not as it stands right now.   I thought we were going for the karam >10 as computed still, which is why I was working on the computational fixer... which is now almost done and I'm planning to run on test table.
Apr 23 18:55:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I clearly explained we don't use the karma limit this time, we decided on it in a council meeting and we published it that way in elections announcement, 
Apr 23 18:56:41 <kerio> see, nobody actually reads tmo :P
Apr 23 18:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> it been annouced in identical wordin on community ML
Apr 23 18:57:44 <Woody14619a> Problem with that is, it needs to then pull their acct into voting table.. make a token, and mail it to them as part of that. :P  Doable, but not that easy.
Apr 23 18:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> then add a automatic "echo $mailadd >> list-of-tokens-to-send" to that "Get Token" button, please
Apr 23 18:59:02 <Woody14619a> that part is already done.
Apr 23 18:59:30 <Woody14619a> The problem is, it's looking for the user in the electorat table (of 5K) not the full user table (of 60K)
Apr 23 18:59:31 <DocScrutinizer05> we need to send out that second batch RSN
Apr 23 19:00:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and we need a standard way for users to request a token when we missed out on them in our two batches we sent
Apr 23 19:00:23 <Woody14619a> k, so.. let me be clear on what's desired here.
Apr 23 19:00:58 <DocScrutinizer05> let me difine it once more
Apr 23 19:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> we send a token to all users who got one last time
Apr 23 19:01:20 <Woody14619a> that part's done. :)
Apr 23 19:01:47 <DocScrutinizer05> in addition to those who earned enough karma during last 6 months (since you now fixed that part)
Apr 23 19:02:29 <DocScrutinizer05> in addition to those who ask for it
Apr 23 19:02:32 <Woody14619a> that's the part I'm working on.
Apr 23 19:02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> to ALL those who ask for it
Apr 23 19:02:53 <Woody14619a> Even those who created in < 3 months?
Apr 23 19:03:07 <Woody14619a> And with anchient accounts that we know have no karma?
Apr 23 19:03:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, since they might have been blocked to create an account >3 months ago
Apr 23 19:03:40 <Woody14619a> So long as they have a garage/m.o account...
Apr 23 19:03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> we however don't send to those who have opened an account <2weeks ago
Apr 23 19:03:48 <Woody14619a> But they have to know to go get it... hmmm.
Apr 23 19:04:21 <DocScrutinizer05> those who are asking for a token but have a really fresh account will get manual review
Apr 23 19:05:11 <DocScrutinizer05> our election announcement suggested to send a mail to council to ask for a token in case you didn't get any but think you should get one
Apr 23 19:05:30 <Woody14619a> ??  It's either manual or auto... I can't do both.  But there is a way now for Council to move someone "manually" from garage list to voter list.
Apr 23 19:05:48 <DocScrutinizer05> that's fine
Apr 23 19:05:53 <Woody14619a> k.
Apr 23 19:06:38 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc qwazix said he'd be able to collect and process all inquiry mails to council
Apr 23 19:06:47 <Woody14619a> but will still have to make a token for them and mail it...  working on that part too, as part of the make/mail/clone from id# on.
Apr 23 19:07:14 <Woody14619a> k.  Will mail Council with info on that process once batch 2 is out the door.
Apr 23 19:08:05 <DocScrutinizer05> but none of us has a clue *how* to proceed to get those tokens created and sent from the list we comiled from our inquiry mails to council
Apr 23 19:08:55 <DocScrutinizer05> so we need YOU to provide the tools so we can do that
Apr 23 19:09:10 <DocScrutinizer05> or you process that list of tokens to generate and send
Apr 23 19:09:16 <Woody14619a> yes, I know... As I said I'll mail Council with that once batch 2 is out and that interface is solid. 
Apr 23 19:09:24 <DocScrutinizer05> that we derved from council inquiry mails
Apr 23 19:09:28 <Woody14619a> I'm using that tool set to make/process batch 2.
Apr 23 19:09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> :-) \o/
Apr 23 19:12:58 <sixwheeledbeast> <<(19:23:00) DocScrutinizer05: [general notice] could all of you please provide a tad of feedback about elections? Referendum voting is open since several hours now, I already voted. >> Thank you for the reminder I shall do that now.
Apr 23 19:13:21 <sixwheeledbeast> Worth noting above in IRC topic?
Apr 23 19:13:37 <DocScrutinizer05> why not, seems reasonable
Apr 23 19:16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> time for a second coffee
Apr 23 19:16:36 <kerio> ~merlin1991
Apr 23 19:16:37 <infobot> rumour has it, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU
Apr 23 19:17:03 <kerio> ~literal merlin1991
Apr 23 19:17:04 <infobot> "merlin1991" is "the secret master of CSSU"
Apr 23 19:17:22 <kerio> infobot: no, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU: <merlin1991> I'd rather finally shit a new -testing and fix the last repo issues
Apr 23 19:17:23 <infobot> kerio: please, watch your language.
Apr 23 19:17:40 <kerio> oh come on, it's a direct quote
Apr 23 19:18:55 <merlin1991> kerio: thanks :/
Apr 23 19:19:53 <kerio> i don't think it accepted the edit, anyway
Apr 23 19:20:46 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: don't edit factoids owned by others
Apr 23 19:20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo merlin1991
Apr 23 19:20:54 <infobot> merlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul  3 23:04:19 2012 (293 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by kerio, 4m 17s ago.
Apr 23 19:21:08 <kerio> but it was hilarious!
Apr 23 19:21:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you MUST NOT edit factoids that are owned by other users - those are factoids based on one of their registered nicks
Apr 23 19:23:42 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: (edit and) ~lock merlin1991
Apr 23 19:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> only <nick> can ~lock <nick>
Apr 23 19:25:03 <DocScrutinizer05> (and I can ;-D )
Apr 23 19:25:24 <fw190> i have the token 
Apr 23 19:25:31 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Apr 23 19:25:57 <fw190> just voted
Apr 23 19:26:18 <fw190> yes
Apr 23 19:26:30 <fw190> :)
Apr 23 19:26:34 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 23 19:27:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the number of 'no' votes will be an idicater for me to guess how braindamaged and rotten maemo community actually is
Apr 23 19:28:09 <fw190> then I'm saved
Apr 23 19:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope for 0..3 no votes
Apr 23 19:28:52 <DocScrutinizer05> as for the usual number of misclicks/trolls
Apr 23 19:30:33 <DocScrutinizer05> a NO would basically mean "I raised my concerns in the discussion thread but nobody bothered to even listen. So I don't think the discussion period been done in a correct way"
Apr 23 19:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> or it could mean "I'm a troll and want maemo to collapse and vanish into oblivion"
Apr 23 19:33:51 <DocScrutinizer05> fw190: thanks for feedback, and of course many thanks for actually voting!
Apr 23 19:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> please keep your ballot/token and vote for the council elections as well
Apr 23 19:34:36 <DocScrutinizer05> they start in a week 
Apr 23 19:38:11 <fw190> no problem Doc afterall I want the maemo to live
Apr 23 19:41:08 <Pali> jacekowski: ping
Apr 23 19:43:38 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: do you have a tarball of the rootfs from the fiasco image?
Apr 23 19:43:51 <kerio> i'm on something that doesn't speak ubifs at all
Apr 23 19:44:01 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, not really
Apr 23 19:44:04 <sixwheeledbeast> See it was a good idea to update /topic :)
Apr 23 19:47:44 <sixwheeledbeast> Er ... you can vote for YES and NO, not normal :-/
Apr 23 19:49:01 <Woody14619a> Only first vote is counted... 
Apr 23 19:49:26 <Woody14619a> for referendums, you can still have run-off voting if there are more than 2 options.
Apr 23 19:49:46 <Woody14619a> So interface always allows multi-choice.  Even when it doesn't make sense to.
Apr 23 19:50:12 <kgu> I would still recommend the elections to also be announced on http://maemo.org
Apr 23 19:51:58 <sixwheeledbeast> I assumed this would be the case, but it's odd having multiple choice to a YES/NO question, lol.
Apr 23 19:54:11 <fw190> could there be a banner on tmo about voting?
Apr 23 19:54:53 <Pali> ~seen jacekowski
Apr 23 19:54:58 <infobot> jacekowski is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 6d 5h 36m 25s, last said: 'it worked and now you have two incompatible implementations of same thing'.
Apr 23 20:04:05 <kgu> where is the YES/No poll?
Apr 23 20:06:11 <kerio> yes/no/file_not_found
Apr 23 20:15:49 <kgu> heh, seems Referendum and Election details are lost to me on tmo, since I don't have the time to read all posts. Why is it so complicated? Sorry for my stupidity
Apr 23 20:19:44 <kerio> kgu: vote yes on referendum, same candidates for hfc and mcc in the election
Apr 23 20:21:08 <kgu> can't find the yes button..  :-/
Apr 23 20:21:32 <Woody14619a> kgu: It's not.  It's updating the election rules to fix the 3/5 issue, and allow MCC to official represent to HiFo vs Nokia.  With the hopes that soon down the road HFC == MCC (if not ===)
Apr 23 20:21:45 <Woody14619a> kgu: make sure you have javascript turned on...
Apr 23 20:22:31 <kerio> Woody14619a: will the merge then require a referendum?
Apr 23 20:22:36 <kerio> or will it be a council thing?
Apr 23 20:23:00 <Woody14619a> prob a referendum, as council lacks authority in rule set.
Apr 23 20:23:51 <kgu> Is the voting-tool located some where in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89560?
Apr 23 20:25:48 <kgu> I'm sorry - I really feel so stupid, but can't find it :(
Apr 23 20:26:36 <Woody14619a> http://maemo.org/vote  You need to have gotten a voting token.  
Apr 23 20:26:57 <Woody14619a> take it you are new to the community?
Apr 23 20:27:05 <Woody14619a> eg. havent' voted before?
Apr 23 20:28:05 <kgu> never voted before, and couldn't find no info in thread on howto
Apr 23 20:28:26 <Woody14619a> what is your garage/maemo.org user name
Apr 23 20:30:04 <kgu> I'm only on tmo
Apr 23 20:31:04 <Woody14619a> you should have a maemo.org account too.  What's your tmo name?  You should make an account now, if for no other reason than you need it to vote.
Apr 23 20:31:18 <n900-dk> n900-dk
Apr 23 20:46:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<kgu> I would still recommend the elections to also be announced on http://maemo.org)) absolutely!
Apr 23 20:46:50 <DocScrutinizer05> alas I have no idea how to change http://maemo.org and I don't even have an idea who would know how to do it
Apr 23 20:47:36 <DocScrutinizer05> you noticed "announcements" dates back to 2010?
Apr 23 20:48:19 * GeneralAntilles wonders
Apr 23 20:48:19 <DocScrutinizer05> "News" is empty for me
Apr 23 20:48:38 <DocScrutinizer05> "NOKIA Developer" looks .... obsolete
Apr 23 20:48:55 <DocScrutinizer05> as does "Cordia", kinda
Apr 23 20:49:25 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, good, I still have access to Midgard.
Apr 23 20:49:37 <GeneralAntilles> I can post an announcement if somebody wants to write one up.
Apr 23 20:54:12 <Pali> it is not possible to use update TMO to use maemo.org account for login?
Apr 23 20:58:57 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, nokia developer still has some useful wiki articles about developing on maemo (which we might want to archive btw)
Apr 23 20:59:19 <Pali> any idea how to archive it?
Apr 23 20:59:52 <qwazix> Pali, no idea, (except archiving everything with a http crawler)
Apr 23 21:01:02 <qwazix> Or just tell people to copy/paste to wmo when they stumble on articles, and hope that all useful info get copied before they delete it
Apr 23 21:06:10 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: (archive) yes, we do!
Apr 23 21:06:18 <DocScrutinizer05> (want)
Apr 23 21:06:25 <qwazix> :nod:
Apr 23 21:06:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there's skeiron for that, first approach
Apr 23 21:14:36 <DocScrutinizer05> 174 results on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Developer_Library.html ->search: "maemo"
Apr 23 21:14:59 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno how much of that already got backup'd on skeiron
Apr 23 21:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: please place a **FAT** election announcement on http://maemo.org (and eventually share the midgard admin login URL to techstaff)
Apr 23 21:16:35 <GeneralAntilles> It's a privilege of your account
Apr 23 21:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> It's not an admin URL
Apr 23 21:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> which account?
Apr 23 21:16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Apr 23 21:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> My personal account.
Apr 23 21:17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> the must be an URL of some kind
Apr 23 21:17:20 <GeneralAntilles> Nope
Apr 23 21:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> It's the Midgard toolbar that pops up when you login on maemo.org
Apr 23 21:17:35 <DocScrutinizer05> errr, so how else are you accessing it? via ssh?
Apr 23 21:18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh, so the URL is maemo.org, with JS enabled
Apr 23 21:18:11 <Woody14619a> Yes, but that top bar changes quite a bit when you have privs... just saying.
Apr 23 21:18:37 <Woody14619a> And depending on what area you're in...
Apr 23 21:19:10 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I'm asking "which URL (aka area)?"
Apr 23 21:19:30 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC where to look and what to look for even
Apr 23 21:19:45 <qwazix> GeneralAntilles, here's the banner I had made for the previous elections, if needed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189430&postcount=138
Apr 23 21:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I might have all the privileges of Mr Kernigan and still wouldn't know how to edit
Apr 23 21:20:05 <qwazix> Maybe chem|st could pop it up on tmo too...
Apr 23 21:20:36 <xes> http://static.maemo.org:81/style_maemo2009/img/maemo.jpg
Apr 23 21:20:49 <xes> put it in the logo ;)
Apr 23 21:21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I could for sure grant myself whatever privileges I want, in midgard's friggin db
Apr 23 21:21:20 <DocScrutinizer05> still I need to know where to look for what, to see if it had any effect
Apr 23 21:21:59 <Woody14619a> All changes happen in that top bar.  By area I meant, for example, I have the ability to post in the "Community Blog" area.  I do NOT have the ability to post in the main page area, nor the ability to edit layouts.
Apr 23 21:22:08 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: OOOHF*CK! "beta"????
Apr 23 21:22:13 <Woody14619a> And admin should have that ability.. all in the top bar, everywhere.
Apr 23 21:22:41 <n900-dk> IMO the referendum should also be highlighted in some way.
Apr 23 21:22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a: fine, so I have to look for a "post2 button there?
Apr 23 21:23:08 <DocScrutinizer05> n900-dk: fine! where?
Apr 23 21:23:08 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, it's still beta
Apr 23 21:23:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, LOL
Apr 23 21:23:30 <n900-dk> DocScrutinizer05: mo and tmo
Apr 23 21:23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> rather omega
Apr 23 21:23:45 <qwazix> muahaha
Apr 23 21:23:52 <DocScrutinizer05> n900-dk: sorry, I don't know what highlight you mean
Apr 23 21:24:42 <DocScrutinizer05> inverse colors for background/foreground text on the word elections?
Apr 23 21:24:50 <n900-dk> like 'please place a **FAT** election announcement' - same for referendum
Apr 23 21:25:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, I subsumed referendum under elections
Apr 23 21:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks :-)
Apr 23 21:26:01 <n900-dk> ok, then we agree :)
Apr 23 21:27:22 <GeneralAntilles> Forgot there's no preview.
Apr 23 21:30:36 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/spring_2013_elections-referanda_voting/
Apr 23 21:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: I got a "article"->"edit"
Apr 23 21:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> That'd be the one.
Apr 23 21:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo.org > Home of the Maemo community > Edit
Apr 23 21:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Edit Frontpage article: Home of the Maemo community
Apr 23 21:31:42 <DocScrutinizer05> URL name (internal)
Apr 23 21:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Title *
Apr 23 21:31:58 <GeneralAntilles> Object locked. :P
Apr 23 21:35:58 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Apr 23 21:36:08 <DocScrutinizer05> first news in ~4 years
Apr 23 21:36:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, 2, to be fair
Apr 23 21:36:37 <n900-dk> \o/ - keep them coming :)
Apr 23 21:36:47 <Woody14619a> So... What I want is to get that menu to un-grey Website->Midgard Administration UI. :)
Apr 23 21:36:59 <qwazix> funny, it gives me an option to "break the lock"
Apr 23 21:37:22 <Woody14619a> Since that's where the plugin crap is likely screwed... (amoung other places.)
Apr 23 21:37:25 <n900-dk> how long will it take for new maemo.org account to be able to request for vote token?
Apr 23 21:37:51 <Woody14619a> Until I finish the option to add it.
Apr 23 21:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf everything locked by Ryan abel?!
Apr 23 21:38:10 <qwazix> btw, This object was locked by Joerg Reisenweber. Lock will expire on 04/23/13 22:34:37. 
Apr 23 21:38:19 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, ^^
Apr 23 21:38:24 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 23 21:38:29 <DocScrutinizer05> midgard my ass
Apr 23 21:38:30 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn Midgard is obnoxious
Apr 23 21:38:41 <GeneralAntilles> Logging out. . . .
Apr 23 21:38:58 <Pali> look here: http://maemo.org/packages/__ais/help/org.maemo.packages/handlers/
Apr 23 21:39:12 <Pali> there are some urls for package manipulation
Apr 23 21:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> Woody14619a, mine's ungrayed, but I don't have access to anything I can make sense of in the Administration UI. . . .
Apr 23 21:39:20 <sixwheeledbeast> It's not in the "News" section, more buried in the Announcement section.
Apr 23 21:39:38 <GeneralAntilles> sixwheeledbeast, the News component is broken, sorry.
Apr 23 21:39:48 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think anybody here has the permissions needed to fix it.
Apr 23 21:40:18 <sixwheeledbeast> It's no problem thought I'd point out it only has small real estate on m.o main page
Apr 23 21:40:19 <Woody14619a> I think it's less a permissions  issue than it is a know-how issue.  Midgard is not exactly well documented.
Apr 23 21:40:56 <Woody14619a> Esp not the old version we're running.
Apr 23 21:42:21 <GeneralAntilles> That, too.
Apr 23 21:42:35 <GeneralAntilles> I'd dig around more to see if I can get to the News stuff, but I might lock everybody out forever. :D
Apr 23 21:42:44 <Pali> wow, I found this: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/edit/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/
Apr 23 21:42:52 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if we could upgrade.
Apr 23 21:43:33 <qwazix> Pali, wow
Apr 23 21:44:25 <freemangordon> hmm, and why am I allowd to edit it?
Apr 23 21:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I added "news" item
Apr 23 21:44:31 <qwazix> Who has permissions to this? Everything seems editable to me.
Apr 23 21:44:36 <DocScrutinizer05> crappy, admittedly
Apr 23 21:44:46 <Pali> qwazix, me too
Apr 23 21:45:00 <qwazix> Shit, and now it's on the irclog
Apr 23 21:45:22 <DocScrutinizer05> are you guys nuts?
Apr 23 21:45:22 <freemangordon> oops
Apr 23 21:45:26 <qwazix> One can nuke our repos
Apr 23 21:45:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah great!!!
Apr 23 21:45:44 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly!!
Apr 23 21:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> you suckers!
Apr 23 21:47:08 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: security by obscurity?
Apr 23 21:48:06 <Pali> we can change how many score is needed to promote extras-testing package :D
Apr 23 21:48:56 <qwazix> I found this "The Ragnaroek LTS generation of Midgard is supported until October 1st 2013. "
Apr 23 21:50:51 <n900-dk> Could date and time be added to the mo news "Referendum Voting Open"?
Apr 23 21:51:17 <qwazix> Okay, is there a way to redact the url from the irclog?
Apr 23 21:51:43 <qwazix> Because there doesn't seem to be a way to lock that page, edit metadata throws 404
Apr 23 21:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, sorry, I had to stop www
Apr 23 21:57:28 <DocScrutinizer05> great job!
Apr 23 22:01:35 <DocScrutinizer05> techstaff tries to find a way out of this mess
Apr 23 22:01:53 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to all who contributed
Apr 23 22:16:51 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for +q
Apr 23 22:17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> had to stop some users from typing without thinking
Apr 23 22:26:33 <n900-dk> guess voting is on pause then :)  I will get back to it tomorrow
Apr 23 22:35:44 <Macer> hm
Apr 23 22:35:50 <Macer> what type of video does the n900 support?
Apr 23 22:35:56 <Macer> just typical h264?
Apr 23 22:35:58 <Macer> aac?
Apr 23 22:41:08 <aaah> my n900 won't boot
Apr 23 22:41:14 <aaah> i had it turned off and plugged into the wall
Apr 23 22:41:21 <aaah> i guess that's what caused it?
Apr 23 22:41:27 <aaah> it won't even turn on
Apr 23 22:41:45 <aaah> i just see a little yellowish colored light when i plug it into the wall, momentarily
Apr 23 22:46:24 <mrsellout> qwazix, re:midgard. I read that line about support ending in Oct 2013, but that contradicts the midgard website...
Apr 23 22:46:31 <Macer> how does the pay by the day work for tmobile? anybody know?
Apr 23 22:46:37 <Macer> i mean do they go by minutes? 
Apr 23 22:46:41 <Macer> like if you talk ? :)
Apr 23 22:46:47 <qwazix> mrsellout, what does the website say?
Apr 23 22:46:50 <mrsellout> Midgard1 8.09 Ragnaroek LTS is a Long Term Support version of Midgard1 for which bug fixes and minor feature improvements will be supplied by the Midgard community until October 2012.
Apr 23 22:46:59 <mrsellout> http://midgard-project.org/midgard1/
Apr 23 22:47:29 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah: you probably ruined your rootfs
Apr 23 22:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> the device tries to boot into cherging mode and hangs on it
Apr 23 22:48:03 <DocScrutinizer05> charging even
Apr 23 22:48:08 <mrsellout> I've been thinking about setting up a wiki page, as quite a bit of the infra is running on older s/w
Apr 23 22:48:57 <Macer> nice
Apr 23 22:49:04 <mrsellout> now some updates might well be unnecessary, but there will probably be some that contain security fixes
Apr 23 22:49:09 <Macer> going to wait to activate this 2nd sim .. i will do it when my heart monitor shows up for the e7 heh
Apr 23 22:49:47 <qwazix> mrsellout, :nod:
Apr 23 22:49:51 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah: your probelm would be that you can't reflash your rootfs without charged battery, and you can't charge your battery (in N900, usually) without working rootfs
Apr 23 22:50:05 <DocScrutinizer05> mrsellout: great spotting!
Apr 23 22:50:08 <Macer> heh
Apr 23 22:50:31 <Macer> damn. i forgot fmobi is broken on the n900 lol
Apr 23 22:50:48 <mrsellout> obviously some poor sod would have to carry out those updates
Apr 23 22:51:11 <mrsellout> *looks at DocScrutinizer05 *
Apr 23 22:51:34 <aaah> so, what do you recommend doing, docscrutinizer05?
Apr 23 22:52:57 <qwazix> aaah, if you can find an external charger, nokia 5800, nokia X6 or nokia N810 (probably other models too) you can charge your battery externally
Apr 23 22:53:01 <qwazix> and then reflash\
Apr 23 22:53:13 <DocScrutinizer05> get an external charger, or a bl-5j compatible phone, and charge battery. OR get a new charged battery (spare never is a bad thing to have), OR wait for somebody talking you thru a yet untested method to charge flat battery via rescueOS
Apr 23 22:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, qwazix beat me to it
Apr 23 22:53:58 <DocScrutinizer05> though N810 doesn't work too good
Apr 23 22:54:29 <qwazix> N810 takes a bigger battery but works and charges fine with N900 battery
Apr 23 22:54:50 <qwazix> you just have to make sure battery doesn't leave it's place
Apr 23 22:55:43 <aaah> i really wish i'd never bought this phone
Apr 23 22:55:57 <qwazix> (now that I remember DocScrutinizer05 is right, -as always-, I had to shave off a little bit of plastic to make it fit)
Apr 23 22:56:28 <kerio> aaah: did you buy it recently?
Apr 23 22:56:32 <aaah> yes
Apr 23 22:56:41 <aaah> it's brand new
Apr 23 22:56:44 <aaah> i still have the box
Apr 23 22:56:53 <aaah> i will gladly sell it
Apr 23 22:57:01 <aaah> i bought it for $200
Apr 23 23:03:21 <aaah> if i don't have rescueOS i can't do options 1 or 2, can i, docscrutinizer05?
Apr 23 23:03:33 <aaah> i basically need to find a compatible phone or battery...
Apr 23 23:03:38 <aaah> ugh... what a headache
Apr 23 23:03:40 <Woody14619a> so
Apr 23 23:03:48 <Macer> damn
Apr 23 23:03:58 <Macer> fmobi is still broken
Apr 23 23:03:59 <Macer> fail
Apr 23 23:04:09 <Macer> guess this is what you get when running obsolete stuff :) 
Apr 23 23:08:12 <kerio> aaah: rescueOS is loaded via usb
Apr 23 23:10:02 <aaah> sorry, i'm just so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, i can't even talk about how i'm going to fix this... i might as well get off IRC because all i want to do now is trash talk the n900...
Apr 23 23:23:47 <Macer> heh
Apr 23 23:23:48 <Macer> ah well
Apr 23 23:23:55 <Macer> guess i can do the facebook sms shit
Apr 23 23:29:06 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah ragequit, embarrassed by own fuckup of his rootfs
Apr 23 23:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy
Apr 23 23:30:58 <DocScrutinizer05> first those lusers go like "OOOH! GIMME that stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, so I can mess with it!"  Then when they fucked up, they are "so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone"  *SIGH*
Apr 23 23:31:21 <nox-> well, charging dependent on working install is not so nice a feature id say...
Apr 23 23:32:04 <nox-> imagine a laptop that wont changer if windows doesnt boot...
Apr 23 23:32:10 <nox-> charge
Apr 23 23:32:10 <DocScrutinizer05> granted. Nevertheless ame never happened to me during 4 yeras, on 2 active 24/7 devices
Apr 23 23:32:36 <nox-> ...and that wont work w battery taken out
Apr 23 23:33:14 <DocScrutinizer05> go nuke the bios of that notebook and you'll see that other devices have similr bootstrapping problems
Apr 23 23:33:21 <nox-> hah
Apr 23 23:34:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not supposed to nuke your bios on laptop, and you're not supposed to nuke the rootfs of your N900
Apr 23 23:34:26 <Macer> ~handbrake
Apr 23 23:34:27 <infobot> hmm... handbrake is a GPL'd multi-platform, heavily multithreaded DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. HandBrake was originally available on the BeOS, but now has been ported over to MacOS X (with GUI) and to GNU/Linux (CLI only).
Apr 23 23:34:28 <nox-> except that the latter happens easier than the former
Apr 23 23:34:41 <DocScrutinizer05> unlike your laptop, N900 can always recover
Apr 23 23:34:44 <Macer> is there some info on video settings for hb?
Apr 23 23:34:59 <Macer> ie: what to scale the videos to etc? 
Apr 23 23:35:50 <Macer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding
Apr 23 23:35:52 <Macer> wow
Apr 23 23:37:13 <Macer> 800x448
Apr 23 23:37:25 <Macer> doesn't the video player have a "stretch" optino?
Apr 23 23:38:51 <Macer> so just turn off weighted p-frames
Apr 23 23:39:03 <Macer> and encode it at its max res and i should be good? 
Apr 23 23:39:04 <Macer> let me try it :) 
Apr 23 23:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody else thinks "TMO IS DEAD"?
Apr 23 23:42:11 <Macer> i wouldn't say that
Apr 23 23:42:18 <Macer> i thought it was a bit active tbh
Apr 23 23:43:08 <Macer> although... maemo.org in general has gone incredibly slow since the move. no offense. just seems a bit laggy
Apr 24 00:37:16 <Win7Mac> alive & kickin, DocScrutinizer... ;-)
Apr 24 01:11:33 <Macer> hm
Apr 24 01:11:37 <Macer> my video didn't play :-/
Apr 24 01:15:28 <Macer> let me try encoding it with the preset they have on the wiki
Apr 24 01:17:33 <Macer> wow
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