**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 06 02:59:58 2013
May 06 04:35:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ECHAN is channel error
May 06 04:35:21 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
May 06 05:13:02 <Macer> any btc app for maemo for the n900?
May 06 05:13:08 <Macer> like a btc wallet or something?
May 06 05:25:58 <kerio> Macer: hm, wouldn't bitcoin-qt work as it is?
May 06 05:27:11 <fmunozs> downloading the whole blockchain on the n900 would be an issue
May 06 05:27:45 <kerio> good point
May 06 05:27:53 <kerio> but what's the alternative?
May 06 05:27:57 <kerio> trusting a third party?
May 06 05:28:02 <kerio> please :P
May 06 05:28:40 <fmunozs> yea, khertan released something for the n9 that uses an onlin service, it could be adapted for the n900
May 06 05:29:13 <Macer> kerio: i don't know
May 06 05:29:28 <Macer> fmunozs: can't you just copy the blockchain over from somewhere else?
May 06 05:29:30 <Macer> it's like 6GB
May 06 05:29:33 <Macer> that shouldn't take too long
May 06 05:30:21 <fmunozs> well it gets bigger
May 06 05:30:51 <fmunozs> i'm not sure about the size but it takes a couple of days to sync on my laptop
May 06 05:33:05 <fmunozs> http://electrum.org/ I was going to try this one and eventually try to use it on the n9*
May 06 05:35:53 <Macer> fmunozs: really? my laptop took like... maybe 5 hours
May 06 05:35:59 <Macer> but i have an awesome net connection at home
May 06 05:36:26 <Macer> i was just curious if there was a client already in place
May 06 06:11:13 <Macor> hm
May 06 06:11:20 <Macor> seems like there is a bitpurse for n9/harmattan
May 06 06:11:26 <Macor> no n900 btc client tho :-/
May 06 06:11:27 <Macor> blah
May 06 06:11:31 <Macor> android and ios client tho
May 06 06:12:34 <Macor> will be interesting to see what becomes of these ubuntu phones
May 06 06:16:17 <Pali> what is btc?
May 06 06:16:21 <Pali> ~btc
May 06 06:16:45 <Macor> bitcoin
May 06 06:16:51 <Macor> heh
May 06 06:16:54 <Macor> alrighty
May 06 06:38:24 <AndrewX192> My N900 charging port has almost given up, need to buy a new device now. How's NegriElectronics?
May 06 07:41:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you more likely will get help on fixing your "charging port" than any notion about $randomElectrics here
May 06 08:13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: MWKN published a doublette
May 06 08:13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> selling yesterday's newspapers? ;-)
May 06 08:14:52 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.mwkn.net/2013/17/front.html vs http://www.mwkn.net/2013/18/front.html
May 06 09:14:58 <dreamer> hmm, the headphone-detect on my n900 sees somewhat flakey/busted. Now I read somewhere that in 'alsamixer -c0' there should be an option to set it to headphone out permanently. However whatever settings I try get resetted by the flakey detection. How should I set it to really be permanent?
May 06 09:30:30 <DocScrutinizer05> dreamer: whatever you read somewhere, it's most likely nonsense. alsamixer is not master of the state of that headphone-detection, rather it's slave of alsaped, a pulseaudio(!)-daemon that Enforces Policies, and that is probably triggered/controlled by kernel resp /sysfs nodes which check a hw A/D converter
May 06 09:31:43 <dreamer> ok, check
May 06 09:32:20 <DocScrutinizer05> your best bet is to clean your headphone plug and the receptacle in N900. You probably need to disassemble the N900 to do that, and best common practice is to swap the AV receptacle for a new one. It's a low effort procedure since that part is not soldered to the board
May 06 09:32:53 <dreamer> how is that the 'best bet' in premanently setting the state of the plug?
May 06 09:33:15 <DocScrutinizer05> not in permanently setting it but in fixing the issue's root cause
May 06 09:33:16 <dreamer> to be honest I do not feel like replacing the jack-port
May 06 09:34:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, then clean the contact springs and the pads on PCB that those springs touch
May 06 09:34:41 <zammy> I want the upstart gui
May 06 09:34:48 <zammy> or a guide
May 06 09:34:52 <DocScrutinizer05> most likely that already suffices to fix flaky-detection issues
May 06 09:35:15 <dreamer> hmm, I think it might be the ground-connection because the jack is a slightly thinner than other plugs I have around
May 06 09:36:39 <Macer> hm
May 06 09:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 06 09:36:42 <Macer> http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_45584/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=awlG2wXv
May 06 09:36:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: spam?
May 06 09:37:07 <Macer> looks like we will now get a tax on over state line purchases
May 06 09:37:18 <Macer> apnews?
May 06 09:37:20 <Macer> lol
May 06 09:38:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: please don't paste URLs here that don't come with any clue in URL itself of what they are all about, as well as no comment from you why you post it here and what it's about
May 06 09:38:27 <DocScrutinizer05> that is considered channel spamming
May 06 09:39:08 <DocScrutinizer05> don't expect anybody to click on your URL just to find out *IF* it's something relevant or just spam
May 06 09:39:48 <Macer> well.. it was apnews.com and i stated what the subject was afterwards but ok
May 06 09:40:57 <Macer> i cant say i have ever pasted "spam" here but i guess i get your point... sorry to have broken into the conversation
May 06 09:41:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet I've not been the only one who clicked on it hoping for something relevant to headphone detection problems
May 06 09:43:41 <Macer> dreamer: there is always option b
May 06 09:43:50 <Macer> bt headset
May 06 09:44:06 <Macer> i have some motorola flex bt headphones that are awesome
May 06 09:44:15 <ShadowJK> Macer; so it's coming in line with every other place on earth? :-)
May 06 09:44:18 <Macer> pricey but worth it
May 06 09:44:41 <Macer> ShadowJK: i know. pretty soon we will have to pay as much as brits for gas
May 06 09:44:52 <Macer> didnt we have a revolution over such things?
May 06 09:45:30 <ShadowJK> atleast your sales tax is tiny
May 06 09:45:39 <ShadowJK> and not 24% like here :P
May 06 09:46:07 <Macer> i forgot what chicago is
May 06 09:46:12 <Macer> maybe 9.25
May 06 09:47:03 <Macer> we pay the highest sales tax in our entire country
May 06 09:47:18 <Macer> to pay for a broken pension fund ;) 
May 06 09:47:36 <Macer> im more concerned about being taxed for buying n900s :-P
May 06 09:48:09 <Macer> it is just a cash grab
May 06 09:52:49 <dreamer> Macer: dude, screw bt
May 06 09:53:02 <dreamer> Macer: I just want to turn off the headset detect and set it to always output
May 06 10:10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't switch off the headset detect, it's done by hw that always is active
May 06 10:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> what you can do is tweak the system on a multitude of levels, starting at kernel and the kernel module that operates the GPIO resp the IRQ associated to it and the A/D converter and the schmitt triggers
May 06 10:13:52 <DocScrutinizer05> aka threshold level detectors
May 06 10:14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you also can try to write to sysfs node
May 06 10:14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or teak alsaped
May 06 10:14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> or dbus messaging
May 06 10:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> tweak*
May 06 10:15:35 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus-scripting might be a possibility to achieve what you *actually* want
May 06 10:18:10 <DocScrutinizer05> look at /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/*, might give you a starting point
May 06 10:24:46 <DocScrutinizer05> sudo watch --beep --interval 1 cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/state
May 06 10:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus ->  http://privatepaste.com/6b6e3fefef
May 06 10:33:11 <DocScrutinizer05> input:   od -t x2 -w2 /dev/input/event2
May 06 10:33:51 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/fdc28da03b
May 06 10:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hal:  watch hal-get-property --udi '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_headphone' --key button.state.value
May 06 12:15:10 <Pali> kerio: ping
May 06 12:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer05, crap, forgot to clean the Etherpad from last week.
May 06 12:29:56 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, fixitfixitfixit! :o
May 06 12:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: ohmy shithappens
May 06 12:32:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it's so sneaky, probably most people won't even notice
May 06 12:33:11 <GeneralAntilles> These are all the little niceties Jaffa always remembers that are falling by the wayside since he's occupied by productive things. :D
May 06 12:33:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I first thought I'm kinda silly now
May 06 12:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: how do you like the sandbox test elections I've put up?
May 06 12:34:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hadn't seen it
May 06 12:34:31 * GeneralAntilles goes to the grocery store
May 06 12:34:33 <GeneralAntilles> I'll look later.
May 06 12:35:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php?election_id=34
May 06 12:44:03 <DocScrutinizer05> signal sender=:1.21 -> dest=(null destination) serial=284 path=/com/nokia/policy/decision; interface=com.nokia.policy; member=audio_actions   on http://privatepaste.com/6b6e3fefef is incredible
May 06 12:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> policy enforcer daemon could be actually mad useful, if only we had some minimum amount of manpages or other docs for it
May 06 12:45:48 <DocScrutinizer05> but hey, this is a *phone* (with an occasional mp3player app running on it) - who would care about AUDIO on such a device?? ;-P
May 06 13:46:00 <Raimu> :))
May 06 15:07:37 <kerio> Pali: i'd pong, but you're not here
May 06 16:30:16 <DocScrutinizer51> [notice] Don't forget to VOTE!
May 06 16:30:48 <DocScrutinizer51> if you haven't yet, you should hurry
May 06 17:20:24 <kerio> i voted!
May 06 17:20:28 <kerio> some days ago
May 06 20:44:32 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: info about com.nokia.policy is in prolog and ohmd sources on gitorious
May 06 20:45:28 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: alsaped (closed daemon) sending that dbus signals to ohmd daemon and plugugins (open source)
May 06 20:45:43 <Pali> and that plugins doing something...
May 06 20:46:36 <Pali> and all routing rules are writen in config ini file and in prolog code
May 06 20:47:07 <Pali> ini file is ediable with vim and prolog code is decompiled on gitorious cssu
May 06 20:56:38 <zemmy> I find catorise does not work
May 06 21:25:45 <GeneralAntilles> Tough vote
May 06 21:26:39 <GeneralAntilles> Makes me wish for RRV
May 06 22:05:50 <Win7Mac> ~RRV
May 06 22:18:49 <GeneralAntilles> Win7Mac, Reweighted Range Voting
May 06 22:19:01 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.rangevoting.org/RRV.html
May 06 22:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> ~RRV is Reweighted Range Voting http://www.rangevoting.org/RRV.html
May 06 22:21:00 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: okay
May 06 22:22:08 <eccerr0r> weighted voting? nice...
May 06 22:22:24 <GeneralAntilles> It was more complicated to implement than STV
May 06 22:22:32 <GeneralAntilles> and some people thought it would be too confusing to voters.
May 06 22:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> There were loooong discussions about voting methods.
May 06 22:33:41 <Win7Mac> RRV with *this* election would have probably blewn the idea of identical councils...
May 06 22:36:38 <GeneralAntilles> Win7Mac, yes.
May 06 22:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> and maybe that irritating and confusing idea could've gone by the wayside. :P
May 06 22:41:07 <Win7Mac> but the idea is good
May 06 22:41:37 <Win7Mac> ...of RRV
May 06 22:42:25 <Win7Mac> well, the other one too, but thats more out of 	misery...
May 06 22:49:05 <Win7Mac> ~STV is Single Transferable Vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
May 06 22:49:06 <infobot> okay, Win7Mac
May 06 23:33:45 * Win7Mac says goodnight and *VOTE* in case you haven't yet, only ~24h left!
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