**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 19 02:59:58 2013 May 19 03:05:35 yes May 19 03:12:51 Thank you Drifter. So if I get a message back stating "No such nick/channel: Person" they aren't online anywhere on the internet and not just here? May 19 03:40:15 Addison: uhm...are you new to the internet? May 19 03:43:50 Not really. May 19 04:12:11 maybe new to IRC? May 19 04:12:19 because that was a funny question :) May 19 06:46:10 hello. can anyone add wget as a dependencie for Yamas ? as Yamas is dependent on wget. May 19 07:03:24 ask the maintainer May 19 11:26:03 DocScrutinizer05: still not a word about CSSU here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo :( May 19 13:06:31 freemangordon: it's a wiki May 19 13:13:59 freemangordon: >>Further development of Maemo 5 happens as a community effort in Maemo-CSSU.[12]<< >>12. ^ http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU<< May 19 13:15:05 freemangordon: >>((history)) 22:59, 5 December 2012‎ 84.147.178.233 (talk)‎ . . (49,926 bytes) (+271)‎ . . (→‎Maemo 5 (Fremantle): Added CSSU (by council member Joerg)) (undo)<< May 19 13:30:06 freemangordon: >>Programmed in C, C++, Mono C#<< .oO(???) May 19 13:31:10 honestly if maemo5 was based on C#, I probably had abandoned ship before N900 rollout May 19 13:32:43 :D:D May 19 13:33:10 same Java May 19 13:33:15 at least it wasn't Visual .Net May 19 13:33:33 or Dalvik May 19 13:35:23 Todays stupid ideas to use VM on phones... Java/Dalvik or Mono/.Net May 19 13:35:23 >>Kernel type Monolithic (Linux)<< who created this pile of desinformation? May 19 13:36:28 ashley: how about a major edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo ? May 19 13:36:48 DocScrutinizer05: edit it May 19 13:37:07 I'm not the wiki expert May 19 13:37:22 ashley _is_ ;-) May 19 13:37:24 Company / developer: Hildon Foundation May 19 13:37:30 relly? May 19 13:38:48 I did my part on editing it already ;-) --> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=next&oldid=521809224 May 19 13:53:26 Who put in the Hildon Foundation stuff? May 19 14:06:04 Some people consider all linux kernels "monolithic", wheras linux people themselves use that term to describe kernel without modules.. which is kinda odd, since non-modular kernel support has been semi-broken for quite some time now May 19 14:11:20 Linux is definitely monolithic May 19 14:15:35 linux is a monolithic kernel as opposed to microkernels May 19 14:15:59 who the hell put "hildon foundation" there May 19 14:16:10 hildon foundation has done precisely jack shit for maemo May 19 14:28:27 KAMiKAZOW May 19 14:28:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=next&oldid=542890358 May 19 14:34:24 kick it with the huge boot! pretty please! May 19 14:38:33 this edit been based on a misconception found even in parts of HiFo BoD themselves: that HiFo was successor of Nokia, meant to take care about development - as if HiFo had any developers (particularly full time paid ones) who could take orders from HiFo to continue on development of *Product Maemo* May 19 14:41:03 It honestly sounds like "Developer of Linux is Suse." And after maybe Suse been bought by Novell and Novell eventually bought by ACME Investment Fond: "Developer of Linux is ACME Invest" May 19 14:52:23 I don't edit Wikipedia anymore. May 19 14:52:42 After the last run-in with their jackbooted admins May 19 14:57:54 Good Decision. May 19 15:10:23 re:Wikipedia article on [[Maemo]], it's a wiki, feel free to edit it (-; I just did some minor formatting tweaks yesterday (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=555573283&oldid=552569893) but didn't bother actually checking all the facts; someone who's been around for a longer time than I should do that and then correct the incorrect parts May 19 15:11:17 Wikipedia's administration structure seems to serve primarily to keep the in-group in power May 19 15:11:50 Confusing bureaucratic nonsense May 19 15:16:47 the English Wikipedia has its peculiarities, that's true, but it's not exactly alone in that, as many much smaller Wikipedias can be equally bureaucratic and unwelcoming May 19 15:20:42 ashley, I wasn't making a distinction between any individual wikipedia. May 19 15:21:11 It's a nice study in the bad things that happen with too much power and very little responsibility May 19 15:21:36 And a system that's set up to benefit people with too much free time on their hands. May 19 16:51:02 On the other hand it's not all bad May 19 16:52:03 It just naturally veers towards some of people's more shitty habits with no outside correction capabilities May 19 16:53:34 No, I love wikipedia. May 19 17:11:37 anyway, could somebody take care to correct some of the more obvious nonsense details there, please? May 19 17:11:50 :nod: May 19 17:13:02 in my book maemo has no "monolithic" kernel, but we may discuss this here if that meaning of "monolithic" isn't in line with my personal one May 19 17:14:17 for sure HiFo is not Company/developer May 19 17:17:42 and afaik maemo5 isn't programmed in c# May 19 17:17:59 aka mono (uaaaargh) May 19 17:19:10 update methos: APT is misleading May 19 17:19:16 method: May 19 17:20:41 Supported platforms ARM architecture ---- HMM, really? schouldn't that be "NIT 770, N800, N810, N900, (N9)"? May 19 17:22:04 ok, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel this *is* a monolithic kernel May 19 17:22:52 though... is BME a device driver? May 19 17:23:31 probably the DSP and GFX libs are device drivers May 19 17:23:49 then that's rather a hybrid kernel May 19 17:27:37 microkernels dont exist outside of academia May 19 17:31:50 err > It is capable of receiving text input through handwriting recognition<< never seen that in my N810 May 19 17:48:21 hi all May 19 17:51:28 i find proppably some of issue with package libicd-network-ipv6-scripts conflict and refusing to install i figt with this few hours and with forceing some how i installed the package and connection works... failed install broke ipv4 also... May 19 17:53:09 if someone have time to check this package will be great, but maybe it is possible that is only my issue... May 19 19:20:28 Drathir: sounds plausible May 19 21:34:27 Drathir: problem is because maemo extras-devel was broken when I uploading/promoting that ipv6 packages May 19 21:34:38 *sigh*. setting up scratchbox is even more painful the second time than in the first. May 19 21:35:01 what should work is do uninstall all ipv6 packages (purge them) and then install it again May 19 21:35:25 and use last version from extras-devel (not extras-testing or extras, because they are not working) May 19 21:36:21 DocScrutinizer05, Drathir: now I'm going offline, please ping me again tommorow evening about this problem, I look at it deeper May 19 22:09:16 Board nominations are closing at 23:59 UTC 2013-05-21, right? May 19 22:21:27 GA: Woody should verify 1st, me thinks May 19 22:28:27 Woody14619a, ping? May 19 22:31:11 Pali: ok good to know that thanks a lot... May 20 02:17:35 what is meego like on the n900? May 20 02:29:48 I figure if I ask in here I'll get the downsides May 20 02:48:57 it's pretty slow **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 20 02:59:59 2013