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May 26 10:22:36 <divVerent> ~theme
May 26 10:22:37 <infobot> theme is probably want gnome-themes?  you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'...
May 26 10:22:39 <divVerent> ~themes
May 26 10:22:57 <divVerent> ok, not then... I thought it links to a forum post about some good themes :)
May 26 10:23:03 <M4rtinK> ANNOUNCE: the MeeGo Community OBS (COBS) is shutting down on May 29 - backup your stuff !
May 26 10:23:12 <M4rtinK> for more info, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1346912
May 26 10:24:27 <divVerent> currently using an-droid, but not because it looks like Android (it does not) but because of good usability (clearly delimited menu items, good even when contrast is low due to sunlight)
May 26 10:30:11 <_rd> Does mbrola work for anybody? I get only segfaults..... :-(
May 26 10:33:48 <M4rtinK> _rd: I remember people reporting it works for them
May 26 11:02:21 <_rd> M4rtinK, indeed, it works, http://zerties.org/index.php/Mbrola_arm is a good reference.
May 26 11:03:21 <M4rtinK> _rd: good ! :)
May 26 11:03:46 <M4rtinK> _rd: what about putting a short guide how you got it to work on the Maemo wiki ? :)
May 26 11:05:11 <_rd> or add a reference to  http://zerties.org/index.php/Mbrola_arm 
May 26 11:23:57 <Apic> A wonderful splendid Sweetmorn to You all.
May 26 11:46:41 <fastlane> u too Apic !
May 26 11:46:47 <Apic> tnx!
May 26 11:47:29 <DocScrutinizer05> (segfaults) thumbified?
May 26 11:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> _rd: which binary (where from) do you use?
May 26 11:49:11 <DocScrutinizer05> o/ Apic
May 26 11:50:49 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: (cobs) aren't there any mirrors of that stuff?
May 26 11:52:27 <Apic> \o/
May 26 11:52:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you'd think if it is of any importance for a number of people, somebody already should have mirrored it?
May 26 11:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> (sorry I can't take care, our resources are used up in any possible regard)
May 26 11:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> HR, storage, RAM, whatnot, on every available iron
May 26 11:55:14 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: well, I've backed up my stuff
May 26 11:55:29 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not what I asked
May 26 11:55:36 <M4rtinK> and RzRs repo as good as I could
May 26 11:55:53 <M4rtinK> and lbt also seems to have backup
May 26 11:56:03 <M4rtinK> but the main issue is the Harmattan target
May 26 11:56:16 <M4rtinK> without it, it is of limited use
May 26 11:56:41 <M4rtinK> qwazix seems to be trying to do something about that
May 26 11:57:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, Nokia proprietary stuff there? then council/HiFo *cant* help
May 26 11:57:40 <DocScrutinizer05> actually council and HiFo are the only ones who can't do anything about that
May 26 11:58:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia explicitly denied to hand over HARM stuff to HiFo or allow redistribution
May 26 11:59:44 <DocScrutinizer05> nearly everybody else who's not a chicken could create a mirror
May 26 11:59:54 <DocScrutinizer05> *we* can't
May 26 12:00:44 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: isn't that stuff hosted by OSUOSL anyway?
May 26 12:02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I ask those silly questions, but it seems nobody even cares to provide a decent URL pointing to that "MeeGo OBS"
May 26 12:03:15 <DocScrutinizer05> so tbh I have to admit I have no clue where to look at
May 26 12:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> no URL, no IP, nothing
May 26 12:03:49 <M4rtinK> URL: https://build.pub.meego.com/
May 26 12:04:10 <M4rtinK> good point, I'll add link to the TMO post
May 26 12:05:13 <qwazix> M4rtinK, the easiest solution is to set up a new OBS and sync the target it seems
May 26 12:05:47 <qwazix> I will try to salvage a pc later and install opensuse on it later, they claim OBS has one click install for it
May 26 12:09:32 <M4rtinK> well, that might work :)
May 26 12:15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> http://osuosl.org/communities  ^F: meego
May 26 12:16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't understand *why* this COBS is getting discontinued
May 26 12:16:54 <DocScrutinizer05> intel alienating the harmattan community?
May 26 12:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> or is meego.com just discontinued and nobody asked harmattan guys if they'd like to continue at least their sub-services?
May 26 12:20:02 <qwazix> probably the second
May 26 12:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think OSUOSL would ever reject a request to keep that stuff up (always assuming the COBs is actually located/hosted on OSUOSL infra)
May 26 12:23:51 <DocScrutinizer05> so, the SOP clearly is: a) ask lbt (or whomever it concerns) *why* COBs is going down, *where* it's hosted, and what are the *conditions* of this hosting. b) consider to inherit that hosting from whoever is "owner" right now, prune the stuff that's not HARM related, and continue COBS on same servers with new owners
May 26 12:24:55 <DocScrutinizer05> since maemo has no manpower to do any admin on COBS, you need to find somebody willing to do that
May 26 12:25:36 <lbt> The HW is owned by Intel/LF . Intel funded hosting at OSUOSL. Intel have stopped funding and Intel/LF will be recovering their servers.
May 26 12:26:09 <DocScrutinizer05> assuming it's hosted at OSUOSL, write to those guys and ask for continuation of hosting free of charge. Ask lbt/whomever to transfer the whole pile to you (root access, knowhow...)
May 26 12:26:46 <lbt> So, to be clear. You have 5 days and then they get loaded onto a van and driven away.
May 26 12:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> lbt: OSUOSL seems to own some servers they recovered from meego. they offered those to maemo.org
May 26 12:27:53 <lbt> OK - I'm only really focussed on the meego OBS atm.
May 26 12:28:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and even if they don't, they have a lot of vservers they might love to offer to anybody willing to continue meego COBS
May 26 12:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> FIRST URGENT action: ask OSUOSL admins to do a proper disk image of all that stuff
May 26 12:28:52 <lbt> last I spoke to them they wanted to help but simply hosting a physical machine that we would have to buy/ship to them cost more per month than renting the machine from Hetzner
May 26 12:29:17 <lbt> I don't know why you keep talking about OSUOSL.
May 26 12:29:22 <lbt> They're not involved
May 26 12:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, but they have vservers they offer to smaller projects
May 26 12:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> http://osuosl.org/communities  ^F: meego
May 26 12:30:43 <DocScrutinizer05> HECK I don't have *any* friggin info of what you guys are doing there. I just deduce from what I see in the interweb and in my email
May 26 12:30:48 <DocScrutinizer05> form OSUOSL
May 26 12:31:18 <lbt> Yep - I'm sorry but I don't really have time to start some plan at this late stage. 
May 26 12:31:31 <DocScrutinizer05> from both I deduce they *are* involved. But of course it's *you* to share decent precise info about the situation
May 26 12:31:50 <DocScrutinizer05> lbt: fine. So don't I
May 26 12:32:04 <lbt> hey, sorry - but it's 5 days from shutdown
May 26 12:32:08 <lbt> it's simply too late
May 26 12:32:14 <DocScrutinizer05> not to state, i'm not involved in HARM at all
May 26 12:32:45 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq, how long do you need to do a disk image??
May 26 12:33:10 <lbt> I cannot hand out disk images
May 26 12:33:17 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, you guys are acting in a weird puzzling way
May 26 12:33:20 <_rd> DocScrutinizer05, see http://pastebin.com/aqeanayq
May 26 12:34:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid maemo council can't help on this issue
May 26 12:34:32 <M4rtinK> _rd: thanks! :) I'll wikify it in a moment
May 26 12:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/bin/armlinux/mbrola.rar might easily have ARM thumb binary
May 26 12:37:11 <DocScrutinizer05> which would explain frequent segfaults
May 26 12:38:23 <DocScrutinizer05> @harmattan guys: set up a decent mirror of that stuff wherever you like. can't be that hard. there's nothing council can do for you
May 26 12:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> neither HiFo board
May 26 12:43:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I strongly suggest contacting OSUOSL about the issue, after all they claim meego is hosted at them. And afaik meego is a FOSS project (otherwise it wouldn't be at OSUOSL to begin with), so OSUOSL might be more than willing to sustain the project and hosting, even when some sponsor steps down
May 26 12:45:12 <_rd> DocScruntinizer05, there is an mbrola package, which segfaults frequently.
May 26 12:45:45 <_rd> I did no see the binary I downloaded segfaulting.
May 26 12:45:56 <_rd> I could not find out though who maintains the maemo package.
May 26 12:46:32 <_rd> The maintainer in the package is the debian maintainer, I assume the maemo maintainer did not update the the author in changelog unfortunately.
May 26 12:46:43 <M4rtinK> ok, so I'll wait with wikifying it till this is resolved :)
May 26 12:46:47 <DocScrutinizer05> though it's arguable if this might be a genuine council task (to contact them), at least *I* lack expertise, background info, and time to do it. And after all all this only makes any sense when somebody of "HARMATTAN community" steps up for the system maintenance, which council *for sure* can't manage or provide
May 26 12:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> so bottom line: you want it to stay? then go maintain it, and contact osuosl CC council
May 26 12:50:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ping me if you need mailaddr or sth
May 26 12:50:12 <_rd> M4rtinK, there is no need to install the mbrola package, downloading the binary is sufficient. Though it would be nice, if there would be a proper package, which does not need a wiki page to get it running.
May 26 12:50:43 <M4rtinK> _rd: that indeed would be the best solution
May 26 12:51:03 <M4rtinK> but aren't there issues with it being under some weird nonfree licence ?
May 26 12:51:18 <M4rtinK> I think that was the biggest blocker
May 26 12:51:41 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not a blocker for a .deb, only a blocker for maemo-extras
May 26 12:52:04 <_rd> Debian has packages in their archive.
May 26 12:52:19 <DocScrutinizer05> we seen other packages hosted on non-maemo sites offered in a .deb with a one-click.install file
May 26 12:52:59 <_rd> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mbrola.html
May 26 12:53:49 <_rd> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mbrola-de4.html
May 26 12:54:04 <_rd> i.e. I do not expect any license issue.
May 26 12:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 26 13:04:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: ping
May 26 13:10:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there's "Disabled", "Invited", "Accepted", "Rejected" as options on garage accounts' "Extras Account Status:"
May 26 13:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> someone a clue what's those states? particularly "Invited"?
May 26 13:11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe "Invited" means "has applied"?
May 26 13:12:30 <DocScrutinizer05> or got any of you devels *invited* to upload stuff to extras-devel?
May 26 13:14:18 <DocScrutinizer05> alas that friggin administrative mask doesn't show the state of "Extras Account Status:" - just "No Change"            X-/
May 26 14:42:07 <GogoPogo> hello!
May 26 14:42:26 <andre__> hi
May 26 14:43:30 <GogoPogo> maybe you can help me :)
May 26 14:44:20 <GogoPogo> I found in a tutorial that I should have a file inside /etc/apt called preferences which I should manually edit
May 26 14:44:38 <GogoPogo> I can't find it.. is it normal too?
May 26 14:49:42 <GogoPogo> I have many other files though
May 26 14:52:01 <andre__> GogoPogo, how did you try finding it?
May 26 14:52:56 <andre__> please explain what you tried and how
May 26 14:55:35 <GogoPogo> what's the best editing command for X-terminal?
May 26 14:55:40 <GogoPogo> I found the file :)
May 26 14:56:26 <divVerent> GogoPogo: never ask this question
May 26 14:56:42 <divVerent> I use vim, but calling ANY editor the best will sure cause a flame war
May 26 14:56:42 <GogoPogo> :D why?
May 26 14:57:17 <divVerent> vi vs emacs flame wars have long history
May 26 14:58:08 <GogoPogo> ok I'm new to maemo5 and pico/ue/ued/vim didn't work, only vi seemed to response.. I thought I'd better ask first
May 26 14:58:36 <divVerent> vim can be installed
May 26 14:58:38 <rikanee> GogoPogo: you may notice a significant amount of keys missing ;)
May 26 14:58:39 <divVerent> probably some of the others too
May 26 14:59:00 <DocScrutinizer05> GogoPogo: WHAT TUTORIAL? SEEMS YOU PICKED A RATHER POOR TUTORIAL
May 26 14:59:02 <rikanee> which is why remapping needs to be done to do… anything on anything fancier than vi (or nano)
May 26 14:59:11 <GogoPogo> hi Doc!
May 26 14:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05>  oops capslock, sorry
May 26 14:59:15 <divVerent> rikanee: on vim, all you really lack is the % key
May 26 14:59:30 <divVerent> which I mapped in X11 keyboard mapping
May 26 14:59:32 <GogoPogo> rikanee ahahaha you're right!
May 26 14:59:40 <divVerent> also, it is quite unimportant - jump to matching parentheses
May 26 15:01:14 <GogoPogo> Doc.. http://www.sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=98# I had misunderstood
May 26 15:03:09 <GogoPogo> I did find the file, I'll try editing it
May 26 15:04:44 <DocScrutinizer05> this file shouldn't exist
May 26 15:04:57 <GogoPogo> it is inside /etc/purple
May 26 15:05:03 <GogoPogo> prefs.xml
May 26 15:05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> the turorial explicitly says >>just **create** (you must be root!) /etc/apt/preferences<<
May 26 15:05:45 <GogoPogo> I'm referring to the latest version of the fix
May 26 15:06:07 <GogoPogo> http://www.sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=98#p2725
May 26 15:06:16 <DocScrutinizer05> also wth this is from 2010
May 26 15:06:56 <GogoPogo> I know but it deals with the error I get
May 26 15:06:57 <DocScrutinizer05> LOLOL!!! >>Nokia-N900:/# apt-get autoremove<<
May 26 15:07:11 <GogoPogo> what's funnny with it :D ?
May 26 15:07:40 <DocScrutinizer05> more LOL >>Nokia-N900:/# apt-get upgrade<<
May 26 15:08:39 <GogoPogo> it is nonsense?
May 26 15:09:54 <DocScrutinizer05> well, basically both are officially deprecated
May 26 15:10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and autoremove for sure is fsckng up your system
May 26 15:11:54 <NIN101> CSSU should ship an apt binary  which warns the user of this when he tries using autoremove etc.. 
May 26 15:12:19 <DocScrutinizer05> and even when you refer to the latest version of the fix, that doesn't change the fact that this/etc/apt/preferences file shouldn't normally exist on your maemo system
May 26 15:13:10 <GogoPogo> by creating one will it affect the system ?
May 26 15:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> that instruction is about pinning pkg version
May 26 15:14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the tutorial is rather sloppy
May 26 15:14:57 <GogoPogo> :( I can't find any better as to this problem
May 26 15:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> it might be basically correct, or it might be terribly obsolete meanwhile. But for sure it has severe bugs, like suggesting apt-get autoremove, or assuming that the file /etc/apt/preferences exists and needs editing, in last post. Of course for original author it existed in last post since he created it in second post already
May 26 15:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> GogoPogo: no problem. You planned to flash a complete fresh system today anyway, didn't you?
May 26 15:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> you can redo everything after that, and do it right this time
May 26 15:18:13 <GogoPogo> yeah!
May 26 15:19:05 <GogoPogo> it was... the disappointment in finding OTR didn't work that lead me to keep trying
May 26 15:19:18 <GogoPogo> led*
May 26 15:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> first approach: if there's a damn broken lib libgcrypt11_1.5.0 in maemo, first of all you should check if that lib meanwhile got updated with a bugfixed version
May 26 15:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> if there's not. I probably rather would copy the plain libgcrypt11_1.5.0.so to the right location and symlink it from old libname, raher then messing up whole pkg database by apt-get -f install and apt-get autoremove and whatnot
May 26 15:22:43 <DocScrutinizer05> err  libgcrypt11_1.4.5-2
May 26 15:23:16 <GogoPogo> I'm not so much good at these things..
May 26 15:24:33 <DocScrutinizer05> better first come here and ask someone who is savvy at such stuff, before you follow `! Warning: This is a ugly workaround, for experienced linux-users only !´ tutorials from 2010
May 26 15:25:17 <GogoPogo> I thought anyone writing about maemo was somebody from this forum or at least savvy enough :)
May 26 15:25:34 <DocScrutinizer05> explain the problem you see, point to the tutorial (or other solution) you found [much appreciated!], and ask if it's still applicable and generally a good idea
May 26 15:26:29 <GogoPogo> ok got it
May 26 15:26:58 <GogoPogo> hope no one was offended by presenting an external solution prior to asking
May 26 15:27:17 <GogoPogo> really no offence intended
May 26 15:27:29 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that guy for sure knew a lot about how to install stuff and why some problems come up. But evidently he suggested some stuff that has isde effects he ignored
May 26 15:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> no, nobody gets offended by you pointing to a "external" solution. Everybody loves that, it shows you tried to find the answer yourself, and gives a good starting point to investigate and give advice
May 26 15:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> see:
May 26 15:28:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ~questions
May 26 15:28:55 <infobot> remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
May 26 15:29:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~question
May 26 15:29:02 <infobot> well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
May 26 15:29:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it suggests exactly this approach you took
May 26 15:30:32 <GogoPogo> ;)
May 26 15:30:47 <GogoPogo> ok great
May 26 15:31:12 <GogoPogo> I'll be medidating for a few hours, getting mentally ready for the flashing deed
May 26 15:31:27 <GogoPogo> :D
May 26 15:31:35 <GogoPogo> see you later
May 26 15:38:53 <DocScrutinizer05> libgcrypt11 1.4.1-2 been built for fremantle, and it should still be available, e.g in jacekowski's repo mirror. Or ask merlin1991
May 26 15:45:22 <DocScrutinizer05> btw forum.internettablettalk.com doesn't exist anymore -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47104#9 (just replace the forum.internettablettalk.com by talk.maemo.org)
May 26 15:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, that pidgin-otr plugin seems rather orphaned. Somebody should have fixed it since 2010, but obviously nothing happened
May 26 15:54:08 <DocScrutinizer05> OOOH F U pastebin.com!  had a flash-plugin ad on sidebar that played shit for several days now, and now that konqueror instance has eaten 3.9GB of my RAM
May 26 15:54:50 <DocScrutinizer05> actually no, that been pretty recently, not several days: http://pastebin.com/aqeanayq
May 26 15:56:31 <M4rtinK> well, I've seen gnome terminal eat 6+ GB twice in the last few days :)
May 26 16:04:48 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: any idea what's wrong with this pidgin-otr stuff?
May 26 16:05:59 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: well, I've used it a few years ago between Linux PCs and it worked fine
May 26 16:06:30 <M4rtinK> what issues does it have ?
May 26 16:06:30 <DocScrutinizer05> in short http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47104&page=3 says that http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pidgin-otr/3.2.0-8/ doesn't work with http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/libgcrypt11/1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1/
May 26 16:07:14 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=687840#post687840
May 26 16:09:28 <M4rtinK> maybe a protocol or library API change ?
May 26 16:10:33 <M4rtinK> library change seems more likely when that workaround described in the thread
May 26 16:10:49 <M4rtinK> like returning some string that breaks the dialog
May 26 16:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 26 16:12:27 <DocScrutinizer05> weird that nobody fixed that issue
May 26 16:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> also lol @ http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pidgin-otr/3.2.0-6/  -> "build failed"
May 26 16:18:01 <M4rtinK> that was the working one ?
May 26 16:18:11 <M4rtinK> weird
May 26 16:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> quite possibly libcrypt broke ABI/API, and thus pidgin-otr-3.2.0-6 build faled and maintainer "fixed" it
May 26 16:18:30 <M4rtinK> well, if someone fixed it , OTR would definitely nice to have
May 26 16:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yup, users claim they used it without problems
May 26 16:19:05 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: could you maybe try to build it again, and see what's happening?
May 26 16:19:08 <M4rtinK> shouldn't be that difficult
May 26 16:19:20 <M4rtinK> you mean locally ?
May 26 16:19:29 <DocScrutinizer05> wherever you deem fit
May 26 16:20:06 <M4rtinK> haven't build a Maemo 5 package locally in like 2+ years
May 26 16:20:07 <DocScrutinizer05> of course we might like to see it in extras-devel in the end
May 26 16:22:55 <M4rtinK> I can add it to my TODO list, but I'll probably won't get to it any time soon
May 26 16:23:09 <M4rtinK> TODO list is kinda long already :)
May 26 16:25:55 <DocScrutinizer05> longer than this one? ;-) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/nelisquare/0.4.8/
May 26 16:27:57 <M4rtinK> what's with that one ?
May 26 16:30:38 <M4rtinK> cleanup loop ?
May 26 16:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> don't you think it has a too long list of cleanup events?
May 26 16:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> the pleasures of inheriting a borked complex system, without any doxs on how stuff is supposed to work
May 26 16:32:04 <M4rtinK> then I can report another broken feature when we are at it :)
May 26 16:32:44 <M4rtinK> "Download statistics" graphs don't work on Downloads
May 26 16:32:53 <M4rtinK> if you visit: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/zip/
May 26 16:33:20 <M4rtinK> and click "Download statistics", it only shows an error message
May 26 16:34:08 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I know
May 26 16:34:31 <M4rtinK> might be also the cause why the helpful unofficial download statistics page (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67590) stopped working
May 26 16:34:39 <M4rtinK> good, just letting you know
May 26 16:35:02 <DocScrutinizer05> whole maemo.org is one huge mess
May 26 16:35:08 <M4rtinK> And thanks again for all the work up to now - as basically everything else seems to work just fine. :)
May 26 16:35:21 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 26 16:35:22 <M4rtinK> (from user perspective)
May 26 16:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> alas not
May 26 16:35:36 <DocScrutinizer05> promotion doesn't work
May 26 16:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> new accounts don't work
May 26 16:35:51 <DocScrutinizer05> statistics don't work
May 26 16:35:54 <M4rtinK> maemo or TMO ?
May 26 16:35:57 <DocScrutinizer05> karma doesn't work
May 26 16:36:09 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo
May 26 16:36:16 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo.org
May 26 16:36:37 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo is almost the best and cleanest of them
May 26 16:36:47 <M4rtinK> well, that's all kinda serious
May 26 16:36:59 <M4rtinK> but still workable for the time being IMHO
May 26 16:37:40 <DocScrutinizer05> alas we can't maintain it in that state
May 26 16:37:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and for devels it's basically useless right now
May 26 16:41:34 <DocScrutinizer05> feels like Apollo13
May 26 16:43:38 <M4rtinK> but without the 50 thousand engineers behind our back :)
May 26 16:43:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just wondering if I should delete the other looping obsolete packages in nellisquare as well
May 26 16:44:29 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: yeah, and with no planet earth anway near front of me
May 26 16:45:05 <M4rtinK> it fails to remove the file so it loops forever or what ?
May 26 16:45:19 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not like this will fix/solve itself eventually if only we manage to stay alive for 4 days
May 26 16:45:26 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
May 26 16:46:04 <M4rtinK> at least we are not that much limited by oxygen and power reserves
May 26 16:46:07 <M4rtinK> :)
May 26 16:46:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno what cronjob is doing that, where it logs to, not to talk about any idea what's the root cause
May 26 16:46:54 <M4rtinK> a custom job alright
May 26 16:47:31 <M4rtinK> I bet they said something like "wee need it working NOW, well clean it all up for Maemo 6"
May 26 16:48:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm fed up with it and will delete the other packages as well now
May 26 16:51:14 <M4rtinK> well, it could indeed become a problem
May 26 16:51:40 <M4rtinK> if it started to happen with lower period or for more packages
May 26 16:51:50 <M4rtinK> so you are just deleting the old packages ?
May 26 16:52:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 26 16:52:45 <DocScrutinizer05> hope so
May 26 16:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
May 26 16:53:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I probably already nuked 4.8 in testing
May 26 16:53:35 <M4rtinK> I hope only the obsolete version :)
May 26 16:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> well, for extras-testing 4.8 seemed to be the most recent version
May 26 16:55:53 <DocScrutinizer05> lingering on there since err years
May 26 16:56:01 <DocScrutinizer05> waiting to get promoted
May 26 16:56:43 <M4rtinK> well, 4.8 in Extras would be nice :)
May 26 16:57:31 <M4rtinK> but might break all the 4.7 workarounds in P1.3 apps
May 26 16:57:50 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
May 26 16:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
May 26 16:58:10 <M4rtinK> IIRC Extras has 4.7 something ?
May 26 16:58:30 <M4rtinK> oh
May 26 16:58:39 <M4rtinK> wron 4.8/4.7 :D
May 26 16:58:49 <M4rtinK> not Qt 4.7/4.8 :D
May 26 16:58:59 <M4rtinK> *wrong
May 26 17:08:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/gconf-editor/ 
May 26 17:08:10 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
May 26 17:09:17 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/pierogi/   http://maemo.org/packages/view/genwall/   http://maemo.org/packages/view/yamas/
May 26 17:13:31 <M4rtinK> it seems to run in 4 round bursts, every 4 to 5 hours
May 26 17:14:34 <M4rtinK> hmm, looks like the burst is based on number of old packages
May 26 17:14:55 <M4rtinK> that could indeed escalate quite badly once enough old packages accumulate
May 26 17:38:42 * RzR http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1346997# #MeeGo #ObS repo about to shutdown !n950club plz submit your src to "home:rzr" I'm backuping
May 26 17:54:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/yappari/  http://maemo.org/packages/view/ussd4all/  http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/  http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/  http://maemo.org/packages/view/gemrb/  http://maemo.org/packages/view/webtexter/  
May 26 18:23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> on an unrelated OT topic: I ordered another MX5500 today, seems they become rare. Some fools already offer the MX revolution mouse @ 300EUR
May 26 18:24:50 <M4rtinK> still rocking with MW518 :)
May 26 18:25:13 <M4rtinK> oh, its actually MX510
May 26 18:26:24 <M4rtinK> hmm, MX5500 indeed looks nice :)
May 26 18:30:08 <Sc0rpius> hmm
May 26 18:35:52 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody who needs a MX5500 BT keyboard? I have no use for them
May 26 18:42:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<M4rtinK> it seems to run in 4 round bursts, every 4 to 5 hours)) to me it seems more like those jobs run roughly every 5 minutes
May 26 18:43:22 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: well overall
May 26 18:43:37 <M4rtinK> for individual packages it looks like about 4 hours
May 26 18:44:16 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm not really
May 26 18:49:03 <Sc0rpius> a "promotion to testing" crob should run like once a day or something, not 5 minutes
May 26 18:49:13 <Sc0rpius> so you can take this opportunity to revise all tht
May 26 18:49:14 <Sc0rpius> that
May 26 18:49:23 <Sc0rpius> there must be like hundreds of jobs there
May 26 18:49:37 <Sc0rpius> s/crob/cron job
May 26 18:52:16 <M4rtinK> well, even every two hours would still be sane
May 26 18:56:25 <GeneralAntilles> I still can't believe Logitech crippled the MX Revolution.
May 26 19:07:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
May 26 19:07:18 <DocScrutinizer05> a shame
May 26 19:08:10 <DocScrutinizer05> this fake that switches modes via a mechanical button under scrollwheel, that's so *silly*
May 26 19:10:46 <kerio> modes?
May 26 19:15:57 <Sc0rpius> I have a Logitech mouse that the battery lasts for 3 years
May 26 19:15:59 <Sc0rpius> :)
May 26 19:16:15 <Sc0rpius> those are the best mice Logitech makes
May 26 19:33:46 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: free wheeling mode vs click mode
May 26 19:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> for the scrollwheel
May 26 19:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> you can scroll a 40k lines in one minute
May 26 19:35:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and in MX Revo and MX5500 those modes are switched by a motor that gets controlled by a uC in the mouse
May 26 19:37:17 <DocScrutinizer05> per default it's progarmmed to switch modes when pressing that "button-6" under the scrollwheel, but the really useful setting is to have a scrollwheel speed threshold above which it goes turbo
May 26 19:39:01 <DocScrutinizer05> so with normal speed scrolling you can go line by line, click by click, while when you speed up and give the wheel a proper kick, it doesn't stop spinning for 10s
May 26 19:40:39 <DocScrutinizer05> doing this switching with a mechanical button to toggle the clutch is absolutely useless
May 26 19:41:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yet it's what they sell now as official successor of the MX Revolution (and MX5500) mouse
May 26 19:41:38 <DocScrutinizer05> sucks
May 26 19:52:48 <qwazix> brkn, ping
May 26 20:00:39 <brkn> ping received xD
May 26 20:12:18 <Apic> Good Nite!
May 26 20:31:12 <Win7Mac> I'm quite happy with my Performance MX
May 26 20:31:53 <Win7Mac> DocScrutinizer05, I'd be interested in that BT-keyboard
May 26 21:17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: how often do you switch the scrollwhell mode?
May 26 21:18:33 <Win7Mac> not *that* often as you, for sure
May 26 21:18:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, for sure
May 26 21:20:42 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders patching http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/revoco.c to count each switching of wheelmode. Would probably need to constantly poll mouse status for that
May 26 21:23:15 <Win7Mac> sh*t... you even hack your mouse? :O
May 26 21:25:25 <M4rtinK> hmm, I think I have one with the mechanical switch at work
May 26 21:25:38 <M4rtinK> but that motorized switching sounds cool :)
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