**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 31 02:59:58 2013 May 31 07:20:15 Celebrate Syaday May 31 07:39:10 I guess I already asked, sorry, but: Does NITDroid support the GPS? May 31 07:46:56 Try Nitdroid's own channel. May 31 07:47:16 I think it's #nitdroid here on Freenode. May 31 07:49:52 ktnx May 31 09:29:46 Apic: nope May 31 09:32:03 tnx May 31 10:23:33 DocScrutinizer05: nope, accepted already, still not downloading May 31 10:25:08 jon_y: I have no clue what's your problem then May 31 10:25:28 NB zhat the EULA "Accept" expires after 1 or 2 hours May 31 10:26:53 what does your "Save as..." file requester provide as destination filename? May 31 10:27:19 DocScrutinizer05: clicking on the link brings me to the browser error page May 31 10:27:30 browser is reporting some duplicate http headers May 31 10:27:32 you shall not click the link! May 31 10:27:58 you shall rightclick and select "store destination..." May 31 10:28:17 or "download" or whatever your browser's name for it May 31 10:28:47 it's taking awfully long for the browser to react May 31 10:29:23 sure, since when you leftclick, it will try to download the whole thing as HTML content and render it ;-P May 31 10:29:29 nope, error saving file May 31 10:29:51 right click -> save as didn't work May 31 10:30:11 dunno, works here# May 31 10:30:16 without any problems May 31 10:30:40 maybe don't use chrome May 31 10:30:47 deleted cookies and all that, still not working :( May 31 10:31:00 actually, same thing happened in firefox May 31 10:31:06 yeah sure with deleted cookies it does NOT work May 31 10:32:11 chrome says: May 31 10:32:13 Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple distinct Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. May 31 10:32:17 since auth (EULA accept) is stored in cookies May 31 10:32:46 already went through the accept again May 31 10:32:54 after clearing the cookie May 31 10:33:00 yeah, I seem to recall same problem from ~4 years ago. And it been a browser problem IIRC May 31 10:33:37 well, I'll try another time May 31 10:33:41 googling for that error should help May 31 10:34:12 I can't recall details how to avoid it May 31 10:34:25 I know for sure that's nothing particularly new May 31 10:34:55 I thought it been related to chrome May 31 10:35:07 but I may well be mistaken on that May 31 10:39:30 http://www.gangarasa.com/lets-Do-GoodCode/fix-for-duplicate-headers-error-349-neterr_response_headers_multiple_content_disposition/ May 31 10:39:38 Fix for Duplicate Headers Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION) May 31 10:39:54 This error was bugging me whole of last week. This error is specific to Google Chrome. Not a bug in chrome itself though, as other browsers ignore duplicate headers, this seems like an issue with Chrome. May 31 10:40:17 serverside fix? May 31 10:41:05 does safari do it? May 31 10:42:11 retried with firefox, nope May 31 10:42:19 I don't have safari May 31 10:42:46 firefox says: The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. May 31 10:43:00 trying explorator May 31 10:43:35 IE works :| May 31 10:43:51 i'm asking because maybe it's a wk problem? May 31 10:44:14 webkit2 fail? :) May 31 10:44:26 jon_y: please send URL that fails to download. I will try to spot the PHP file on server and fix it May 31 10:44:39 opera is supposed to be using webkit soon :-/ May 31 10:44:46 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z <- May 31 10:44:47 they're abandoning presto May 31 10:44:49 fails May 31 10:44:54 thanks May 31 10:45:10 reached after accepting and clicking on the 7z link May 31 10:45:49 *sigh* again, you shall not click on the link May 31 10:46:08 Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.htm <- that's what opera tries to download May 31 10:46:09 I am getting the same results regardless May 31 10:46:29 right click says error saving download in firefox May 31 10:46:37 chrome doesn't even do anything May 31 10:46:52 anyway, download works on IE10 May 31 10:48:17 yeah, I confirm FF fails to download it May 31 10:48:50 and look, IE works. We faithfully copied what Nokia gave to us ;-P May 31 10:49:07 ((I'll try to fix it serverside)) May 31 10:49:25 this is to prevent robo downloading? May 31 10:49:54 nah, this is "we're too lame to check with anything else than windows" May 31 10:57:52 heh May 31 11:01:01 hmm, please help me out, noob here: header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream"); // TODO proper mime type May 31 11:01:42 is what I see in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php May 31 11:03:44 AAAHAHAHAHA May 31 11:03:51 I fixed it dead May 31 11:04:19 I uncommented header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); May 31 11:04:36 yesterday May 31 11:07:09 it works now May 31 11:07:13 actually 4 days ago May 31 11:07:26 I didn't change anything ;-P May 31 11:07:28 yet May 31 11:07:47 -rw-r--r-- 1 repository repository 5988 May 27 20:22 /var/tabletsdev/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php May 31 11:08:24 oh. well. i can get to downloads.php and am downloading the sdk 7z May 31 11:08:44 i need to get the img for my n810 heh May 31 11:08:49 johnsu01: please retry May 31 11:09:14 well, I can as well test it on FF May 31 11:09:37 yep, fixed May 31 11:09:45 sorry for the inconvenience May 31 11:09:52 where can i get the maemo4 images? May 31 11:11:44 jon_y: please download now! May 31 11:11:49 with FF May 31 11:11:53 oh i found it May 31 11:12:00 or whatever your preferred browser May 31 11:12:07 Macer: thought as much May 31 11:12:09 nokia is still hosting the maemo images? May 31 11:12:12 it's not hard to find May 31 11:12:20 yeah didn't see that part on the bottom right :) May 31 11:12:26 Macer: well, no May 31 11:12:35 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php May 31 11:13:01 look, an URL is not a good indicator about who's hosting the stuff May 31 11:13:08 DocScrutinizer05: awesome, it works May 31 11:13:17 Macer: ^^^ May 31 11:13:26 guess why! and hush! May 31 11:13:48 too many underscores? May 31 11:14:05 jon_y: read backscroll May 31 11:14:44 <------><------>// Akamai sets this, let's not set it twice May 31 11:14:45 <------><------>//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); May 31 11:15:09 oh, akamai problem May 31 11:15:20 might be broken on tabletsdev.maemo.org now May 31 11:15:45 I kicked it 4 days ago to make it work on td.m.o May 31 11:16:42 but please let's not discuss this further May 31 11:17:06 it's a tad... complicated May 31 11:18:00 nice. downloaded diablo heh May 31 11:18:22 can i flash it with flasher3.5? May 31 11:18:27 or do i need to use the older flasher? May 31 11:18:35 hosted by maemo.org. Delivered to you by courtesy akamai May 31 11:18:46 and *shhhhhh!* May 31 11:19:27 we'll keep it working as long as it lasts May 31 11:20:44 Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) May 31 11:20:51 nice :) guess 3.5 works for diablo May 31 11:21:13 :nod: May 31 11:21:20 should work May 31 11:21:51 too bad my n810 took a dive a while back May 31 11:21:58 the tracks don't slide like they used to :-/ May 31 11:21:59 if it doesn't, I *think* a can dig up the ancient original SSU flasher somewhere still May 31 11:22:24 so oint them, man! May 31 11:23:05 DocScrutinizer05: somehow tizen is still alive May 31 11:23:19 I saw some news on a conference May 31 11:23:57 the cynic in me tells the there is no n900 replacements there, only android and ios knock offs May 31 11:24:22 well. that's odd May 31 11:24:30 that small plastic cover for the sd port just sort of fell off? May 31 11:24:32 wow May 31 11:25:25 friggin frenode server DoS issue again May 31 11:25:55 i think efnet too heh May 31 11:26:24 ~…ping May 31 11:26:36 wut May 31 11:26:42 ~ping May 31 11:26:43 ~pong May 31 11:27:45 what did my first ping look like? May 31 11:28:09 could any of you echo please? May 31 11:28:10 ~ping May 31 11:28:17 some dots May 31 11:28:30 ~…ping May 31 11:28:36 yeah, that looks like "..." here May 31 11:28:50 my font must be too small May 31 11:28:57 right, those 3 May 31 11:29:17 my blood pressure goes up a few bar everytime i see the ...-character May 31 11:29:19 nevertheless it vanished with one backspace, and no in history line looks like plain "ping" May 31 11:29:34 ~flashing May 31 11:29:34 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 31 11:29:54 nfc how I managed to get that "..." May 31 11:30:12 some clients/terminals might turn three consecutive dots into the tridot ellipsis thingy May 31 11:30:13 Macer: 8x0? May 31 11:30:36 jaska: I think it depends on irc clients May 31 11:30:38 for 8x0 see wiki history of flashing page May 31 11:30:45 irssi doesn't do it for me May 31 11:31:06 massive edits for n900-only kinda garbled it for N810 users May 31 11:31:52 I added a link to the relevant historical version, long ago May 31 11:43:33 heh... i will do it later. i am not feeling very well today May 31 11:43:51 i injured my rib so it may be the norco May 31 11:48:34 o.O May 31 11:48:40 get well soon May 31 12:17:21 ~frank zappa May 31 12:17:40 ~rape infobot May 31 12:17:40 * infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams May 31 12:17:57 ~rape itself May 31 12:17:58 * infobot takes itself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams May 31 12:18:07 ~!999 May 31 12:18:42 ~smite infobot May 31 12:18:44 * infobot wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves infobot from crown to sole. May 31 12:18:53 ~gentoosmite infobot May 31 12:18:54 * infobot spends 7 days recompiling infobot, and when it's all done, infobot runs 0.2% faster than previously May 31 12:19:02 skynet. May 31 12:19:08 ~skynet May 31 12:19:09 * infobot kicks skynets ass! May 31 12:19:16 heh May 31 12:19:39 infobot couldn't kick an ass in a boot factory. May 31 12:22:50 * infobot kicks vi_'s ass May 31 12:23:42 //kick vi__ May 31 12:24:08 noooooow... May 31 12:26:40 ~listkeys zappa May 31 12:26:42 Factoid search of 'zappa' by key (1): zappa. May 31 12:26:58 ~listvalues FZ May 31 12:27:00 Factoid search of 'FZ' by value (14 of 44): galaxy pbw ;; ipkg-unbuild ;; jel ;; rfc 1993 ;; rfc1993 ;; weathercode bandundu ;; weathercode boende ;; weathercode faizabad ;; weathercode falcon field ;; weathercode fort reliance ;; weathercode fortalezaor ;; weathercode ilebo ;; weathercode inga ;; weathercode inongo. May 31 12:27:10 ~listvalues zappa May 31 12:27:11 Factoid search of 'zappa' by value returned no results. May 31 12:27:22 ~information May 31 12:27:23 Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST May 31 12:28:20 ~wisdom May 31 12:28:20 extra, extra, read all about it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg May 31 12:28:47 I thought wisdom was the domain of the wis (which is extinct) May 31 13:09:23 http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg May 31 13:09:28 is 404 Not Found May 31 14:04:40 so what? May 31 15:09:53 "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" -- does that ring a bell? May 31 15:10:10 trying to install Pali's u-boot May 31 15:39:57 there's no leading !!! May 31 15:41:14 well, there is here May 31 15:45:06 'apt-get install' didn't complain :/ May 31 15:58:19 sure, since apt-get doesn't know about 3rd party policy May 31 15:58:33 neither about trust levels May 31 15:58:57 but you can tell HAM to ignore them, if you want to do that May 31 16:02:56 if you wonder - that message means that the package you try to install (or some of its dependencies) are already installed on your system, and since the source they got installed from had a higher trust level than the repo you're trying to install them from right now, HAM refuses to replace the existing version with a less secure one May 31 16:03:35 ah, I see May 31 16:05:43 I might have put it marginally incorrect or incomplete, but basically that's it May 31 16:46:51 and to find "ignore 3rd party policy" in HAM's menu, you need to set it to ~redpill mode May 31 16:48:41 actually "Ignore the third party packages policy in SSU" May 31 16:49:55 "Ignore packages from wrong domains" sounds related, probably you should uncheck it May 31 16:52:01 some background info: as you might have heard, the pgp key in Nokia repos has expired. This means the repo loses its trust level May 31 16:52:57 not much that CSSU team or techstaff team or package maintainers/developers could do about it. May 31 17:44:25 .msg ns freemangordon May 31 17:51:04 /ns ? May 31 17:51:17 or /msg nickserv May 31 17:51:29 looks fine May 31 17:51:34 already chacked May 31 17:53:22 anybody mind me joining the meeting later? May 31 17:54:08 Win7Mac: it's in 7 minutes and it's available for all :) May 31 17:54:27 in 1h 7mins May 31 17:55:56 18:00 UTC May 31 17:56:10 ah yeah you're right May 31 17:57:08 just hope the agenda is crystal clear May 31 18:32:01 DocScrutinizer05: still cannot join #maemo-admin May 31 19:49:59 anybody with a little insight on the n_gsm line discipline in here? I get it to activate but when I try to open any gsmttyX devices I fail with level 2 halted (EL2HLT) May 31 19:50:32 freemangordon: see /query May 31 20:21:24 sixwheeledbeast, I can help with the council page if you need it. May 31 20:23:01 If you want. it's no problem if not I will do it this weekend, just busy at moment. May 31 20:26:55 OK May 31 21:18:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013 updated, thanks to Win7Mac. May 31 21:18:37 my pleasure! May 31 21:18:49 looking at CC page now May 31 21:19:14 whats that cc page? May 31 21:19:43 community council news? May 31 21:21:02 cc main wiki page. It's got a lot of columns an special formatting so takes patience. May 31 21:30:12 sixwheeledbeast, link please May 31 21:30:35 /topic May 31 21:30:42 please don't edit I am working on it. May 31 21:30:53 I'm not May 31 21:30:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council May 31 21:31:02 ~CC May 31 21:31:03 rumour has it, cc is Candy Cruncher. Download from http://eongames.com/downloads/candycruncher_1.50.11_arm.ipk - pre-release version right now. ClearCase, a CM tool. Curse Client found at http://www.curse.com/client May 31 21:31:20 is there a factiod for that? May 31 21:31:32 ~council May 31 21:31:33 hmm... council is The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council May 31 21:31:37 ah May 31 21:31:48 ~listvalues Community_Council May 31 21:31:51 Factoid search of 'Community_Council' by value returned no results. May 31 21:32:01 uh? May 31 21:32:19 WTF? May 31 21:32:56 Candy Cruncher wtf? May 31 21:32:58 ~listvalues indows May 31 21:33:00 Factoid search of 'indows' by value (17 of 428): advanced-wm ;; autoraise ;; cedega ;; cmd: prison (.*?) ;; emcnabb ;; excursion ;; feio ;; for anyone else who was wondering: cosmicpenguin ;; ipsec ;; iso8859 ;; jargon microsloth windows ;; lfn ;; linux->windows ;; mscal2html ;; once that ;; oxymoron ;; ppp on windows. May 31 21:33:32 ~forget for anyone else who was wondering: cosmicpenguin May 31 21:33:34 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot for anyone else who was wondering: cosmicpenguin May 31 21:34:09 ~listvalues wisdom May 31 21:34:11 Factoid search of 'wisdom' by value (12): information ;; parthon ;; jargon droid ;; aaw ;; eupraxophy ;; knowledge ;; woah ;; jargon hot spot ;; jargon bottom-up implementation ;; jargon mainframe ;; zip 59761 ;; ~knowledge #DEL#. May 31 21:34:18 ~listvalues isdom May 31 21:34:20 Factoid search of 'isdom' by value (12): parthon ;; jargon mainframe ;; jargon hot spot ;; zip 59761 ;; ~knowledge #DEL# ;; information ;; woah ;; aaw ;; knowledge ;; jargon bottom-up implementation ;; eupraxophy ;; jargon droid. May 31 21:35:09 ~listvalues Council May 31 21:35:11 Factoid search of 'Council' by value (20 of 28): be arthur dent #DEL# ;; rfc942 ;; rfc2146 ;; be arthur dent ;; zip 51502 ;; rfc1811 ;; weathercode kcbf ;; rfc 942 ;; rfc 1816 ;; rx-51 ;; zip 83612 ;; docscrutinizer51 #DEL# ;; cfr ;; zip 51503 ;; jd ;; rfc939 ;; council ;; area code 712 ;; breadbox ;; zip 66846. May 31 21:35:35 ~listvalues Council May 31 21:35:37 Factoid search of 'Council' by value (21 of 28): rfc 1816 ;; rfc1811 ;; rfc 942 ;; rfc 2146 ;; oldtest ahimaaz ;; rfc942 ;; docscrutinizer51 #DEL# ;; zip 51502 ;; rfc939 ;; zip 51501 ;; rfc 1811 ;; breadbox ;; cfr ;; be arthur dent #DEL# ;; zip 66846 ;; rfc2146 ;; jd ;; be arthur dent ;; zip 28434 ;; rfc 939 ;; rx-51. May 31 21:36:21 meh, strange May 31 21:37:14 ~strange May 31 21:37:15 methinks strange is a happy member of debian-br project (ask me about), May 31 21:37:36 huh... May 31 21:38:14 [2013-05-31 23:37:54] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on strange (account strange): May 31 21:38:15 [2013-05-31 23:37:54] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Jul 27 21:12:08 2009 (3 years, 44 weeks, 1 day, 00:25:45 ago) May 31 21:39:19 ~literal council May 31 21:39:19 "council" is "The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council" May 31 21:39:41 ~listvalues council May 31 21:39:43 Factoid search of 'council' by value (21 of 28): cfr ;; weathercode kcbf ;; zip 28434 ;; rfc939 ;; jd ;; zip 51501 ;; rfc 2146 ;; be arthur dent #DEL# ;; rfc 1811 ;; breadbox ;; zip 74428 ;; zip 83612 ;; oldtest ahimaaz ;; rfc 939 ;; rfc942 ;; rfc 1816 ;; rfc2146 ;; zip 51502 ;; rfc1816 ;; zip 51503 ;; rfc 942. May 31 21:40:01 ~listvalues community May 31 21:40:03 Factoid search of 'community' by value (18 of 111): #maemo interim-dns ;; broken-maemo ;; ckknight ;; communism ;; cssu ;; cssu-optional ;; fortran ;; gift ;; jargon eliza effect ;; jargon insanely great ;; jargon phreaking ;; jargon reset ;; jargon snarf ;; jedit ;; karma ;; libstub ;; mailing-lists ;; mod_virgule. May 31 21:40:32 infobot: strange is also when you experience something completely unexpected May 31 21:40:32 okay, Win7Mac May 31 21:40:54 :-) May 31 21:41:01 :-) May 31 21:42:04 ~strange May 31 21:42:06 hmm... strange is a happy member of debian-br project (ask me about), , or when you experience something completely unexpected May 31 21:42:28 infobot: good May 31 21:42:30 good is, like, a static const pointer to KDE May 31 21:42:40 I wonder why the heck it doesn't find value "council" nor "community" in factoid ~council May 31 21:42:41 LOL May 31 21:43:32 maybe because of the diuble-ricks? May 31 21:43:41 double-ticks even May 31 21:44:07 ~council May 31 21:44:08 [council] The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council May 31 21:44:17 please check ~council for update, check all links are correct. I have currently only done MCC. The Main:Template will need discussing about removing Nokia bits. May 31 21:52:33 ~beasttweaks May 31 21:53:16 infobot ~beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts May 31 21:53:16 okay, sixwheeledbeast May 31 21:53:23 ~beasttweaks May 31 21:53:45 ~ping May 31 21:53:46 ~pong May 31 21:54:06 ~beasttweaks May 31 21:54:35 infobot: forget infobot ~beasttweaks May 31 21:54:35 i didn't have anything called 'infobot ~beasttweaks' to forget, sixwheeledbeast May 31 21:54:43 doh May 31 21:55:01 infobot: ~beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts May 31 21:55:01 Win7Mac: i already had it that way May 31 21:55:22 hmm May 31 21:55:38 you forgot ":" May 31 21:55:43 I know May 31 21:56:15 it should work now May 31 21:56:35 is cc page ok May 31 22:01:16 don't mix ~ attention char with factoid name May 31 22:01:53 ~listkeys beasttweaks May 31 22:01:54 Factoid search of 'beasttweaks' by key (1): ~beasttweaks. May 31 22:02:20 ~~beasttweaks May 31 22:02:21 extra, extra, read all about it, ~beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts May 31 22:02:33 so hen creating factiod do not use ~ I see May 31 22:02:40 s/hen/when/ May 31 22:02:42 sixwheeledbeast meant: so when creating factiod do not use ~ I see May 31 22:03:09 infobot: forget ~beasttweaks May 31 22:03:09 sixwheeledbeast: i forgot ~beasttweaks May 31 22:03:39 infobot: beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts May 31 22:03:40 sixwheeledbeast: okay May 31 22:03:47 ~beasttweaks May 31 22:03:48 methinks beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts May 31 22:03:52 :) May 31 22:03:59 ~botsnack May 31 22:03:59 aw, gee, sixwheeledbeast May 31 22:04:25 thanks infobot May 31 22:04:25 DocScrutinizer05: no problem May 31 22:04:30 ;-) May 31 22:04:42 I'm learning :) May 31 22:04:50 no, forget that May 31 22:04:56 it's very special May 31 22:05:44 it's the only thing that doesn't need highlight or attention char May 31 22:06:12 and it works only 25% of time May 31 22:06:38 since bot is schizoid, sometimes runs as ibot, sometimes as apt, sometimes as purl May 31 22:06:49 thanks ibot May 31 22:07:03 tomorrow this might work May 31 22:07:13 so, guise ;-) ...nominations are open! May 31 22:07:30 will we see some councilors there as well? May 31 22:08:58 Doc, probably even place that banner I sent you? May 31 22:09:05 I would prefer two disjunct bodies for BoD and HFC May 31 22:09:41 for banners on tmo please contact tmo maintainer May 31 22:09:59 aka master mod May 31 22:10:09 what if there're <5? May 31 22:10:19 yeah, i know May 31 22:10:42 see bylaws May 31 22:14:17 you wouldn't jump in? - I hoped so May 31 22:16:26 I clearly stated that I can't handle it neither by schedule nor by physical energy May 31 22:17:34 I sure see the benefits of a "controll-instance" by different people in both bodies, but OTOH it has benefits as well when you don't have to fight, as by now May 31 22:17:42 thats reasonable May 31 22:18:18 but I wouldn't mind a councilor in BoD May 31 22:19:11 well, there are 3 more to ask May 31 22:19:58 the 4th has already declined and will not be councilor by the time of BoD voting, at least aiui May 31 22:20:37 I'd even go so far to put it in bylaws that 1 councilor has to be in BoD, just to assure correspondance actually happens if roof's on fire ;-) May 31 22:21:07 no idea how to handle that though May 31 22:21:25 the 4th? May 31 22:50:00 no promotion to extras-testing yet :'( May 31 22:57:29 which package? May 31 22:58:32 (though that doesn't help much, since thumbs-up and promotion from testing to extras doesn't work either) May 31 22:58:48 Does promotion work yet. I tried ages ago on a couple of packages. May 31 23:02:42 night all o/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 01 02:59:58 2013