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Jun 01 08:34:06 <sixwheeledbeast> morning #maemo o/
Jun 01 09:30:05 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm ... "your streaming speed is 109kbps this is too low to use our service"
Jun 01 09:38:56 <sixwheeledbeast> how I can have 100kbps down and 800kbps up I will never know.
Jun 01 11:11:29 <chem|st> http://maemo.org/community/council/hifocouncil-hifo_board_of_directors_elections/
Jun 01 11:52:40 <GogoPogo> hello
Jun 01 11:53:16 <GogoPogo> do you know of any maemo client compliant or working with openCellID?
Jun 01 11:53:31 <GogoPogo> http://www.opencellid.org/users/staticShow/download
Jun 01 11:58:03 <sixwheeledbeast> GogoPogo: no, but I was going to ask the maintainer of cellnet-info if he could add this function
Jun 01 11:58:50 <GogoPogo> do you think that way we could contribute to opencellid as well?
Jun 01 11:59:01 <GogoPogo> it would be good
Jun 01 12:04:17 <sixwheeledbeast> GogoPogo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89238
Jun 01 12:05:27 <GogoPogo> thank you
Jun 01 12:05:30 <GogoPogo> bye
Jun 01 16:23:59 <Sc0rpius> builder doesn't work :(
Jun 01 16:25:51 <sixwheeledbeast> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90314
Jun 01 16:27:45 <Sc0rpius> yeah I just posted there.
Jun 01 17:06:37 <qwazix> hi all, I was just reading tmo and this guy, I think deserves some help http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90312
Jun 01 17:08:20 <qwazix> I don't have a clue what might be wrong, but he's polite and he seems willing so I thought maybe somebody here knows better
Jun 01 17:56:46 <kralor> sup guys, do you know if a gnuradio is rdy for n900?
Jun 01 18:24:20 <SpeedEvil> In principle it shouldn't be that hard to build the software.
Jun 01 18:52:13 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: I looked at it, but actually no clue how to help
Jun 01 18:52:50 <Kanafasek> hello
Jun 01 18:54:01 <kralor> SpeedEvil: well gnuradio depends on a lot of libs so it will take some time to compile everything but yeah everything's possible, just wanted to know if someone already spent some time of his life to do that so I could spend less life time :p
Jun 01 18:54:53 <Kanafasek> i dont speak very well english (iam from Czech) can you help me with Irreco? please
Jun 01 18:57:43 <Kanafasek> when i download remote it writte: Cannot connect to destination
Jun 01 18:58:16 <sixwheeledbeast> Kanafasek: use pierogi instead
Jun 01 18:59:22 <Kanafasek> thanks, i will try it
Jun 01 18:59:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pkg
Jun 01 18:59:46 <infobot> [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/
Jun 01 19:00:13 <sixwheeledbeast> http://maemo.org/packages/view/pierogi/
Jun 01 19:00:33 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi
Jun 01 19:04:59 <Kanafasek> cau jses z ceska?
Jun 01 19:05:44 <Kanafasek> Martix: jses z ceska?
Jun 01 19:06:13 <Martix> Kanafasek: ahoj
Jun 01 19:06:52 <Martix> Kanafasek: jsem
Jun 01 19:07:13 <Kanafasek> Martix: prosimte pomoz mi
Jun 01 19:07:40 <Martix> Kanafasek: pokud potrebujes pomoct s Maemo, tak napis M4rtinK, ja tu jen idlim a kdyz se nudim, ctu zpravy :-)
Jun 01 19:08:28 <sixwheeledbeast> eh?
Jun 01 19:09:07 <Kanafasek> Martix: nainstaloval jsem Irreco a kdyz chci stahnout seznam napise to: cannot connect to destination
Jun 01 19:09:50 <Kanafasek> martix: zkousel jsem uz hodne veci, ale nic nefunguje
Jun 01 19:10:09 <Martix> Kanafasek: neznam zadne Irreco and we are on english channel, you should try write in english
Jun 01 19:22:39 <sixwheeledbeast> As per #maemo-ssu - autobuilder issue >> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1348720&postcount=4
Jun 01 22:23:54 <DocScrutinizer05> please check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/
Jun 01 22:28:11 <Win7Mac> that site seems good, the text in your post seems a bit out of place
Jun 01 22:28:30 <Win7Mac> takes quite a while to load
Jun 01 22:33:22 <bef0rd> I don't see the create new thread
Jun 01 22:36:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, www seems pretty slow
Jun 01 22:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> bef0rd: can you reply?
Jun 01 22:37:28 <Win7Mac> http://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ
Jun 01 22:37:42 <bef0rd> There is a reply text with an envelope image, but its not clickable
Jun 01 22:37:45 <bef0rd> i'm logged in
Jun 01 22:40:39 <Win7Mac> same as bedford here
Jun 01 22:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Jun 01 22:49:47 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody at some point in time seriously ... "ignored" any handling of user permissions on particular objects in midgard
Jun 01 22:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> which resulted in that unspeakable vulnerability and by fixing that removed the means by which normal users e.g. could open new threads or answer on existing threads in http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/
Jun 01 22:51:22 <bef0rd> what unspeakable vuln?
Jun 01 22:51:24 <bef0rd> :P
Jun 01 22:51:49 <DocScrutinizer05> every user was allowed to edit or even delete any arbitrary object
Jun 01 22:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> incl whole repositories
Jun 01 22:52:59 <bef0rd> ah, who noticed it?
Jun 01 22:53:12 <DocScrutinizer05> pali
Jun 01 22:53:40 <bef0rd> good
Jun 01 22:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I never would have, since I'm admin on midgard and thus am supposed to have those permissions
Jun 01 22:54:35 <bef0rd> I never login into midgard, just tmo
Jun 01 22:54:45 <DocScrutinizer05> that's also why I'm still able to open a new thread on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/
Jun 01 22:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> errr wait!!!! you were not logged in to maemo.org (midgard) when you checked if you could answer my thread or create a new one? 
Jun 01 22:57:48 <Win7Mac> both
Jun 01 22:58:22 <DocScrutinizer05> both?
Jun 01 22:58:25 <bef0rd> no, I am, but normally I'm not logged in
Jun 01 22:59:00 <Win7Mac> on forum page there is no button, in post there is reply, but unclickable
Jun 01 22:59:13 <Win7Mac> see http://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ
Jun 01 22:59:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, I got that
Jun 01 23:00:12 <Win7Mac> no matter logged in or not
Jun 01 23:00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> which is what you'd expect to see for visitors that are not authenticated to midgard/maemo.org
Jun 01 23:01:39 <Win7Mac> i didn't check reply while not logged in though
Jun 01 23:02:03 <Win7Mac> no logout, ya know
Jun 01 23:04:54 <DocScrutinizer05> could you check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ and my thread again?
Jun 01 23:05:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I chenged some permissions, though I doubt it's possible to set them right
Jun 01 23:05:24 <DocScrutinizer05> changed
Jun 01 23:07:37 <Win7Mac> works. Great, well done! 
Jun 01 23:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> please create another screenshot for me, if possible with any menus opened to show what they contain
Jun 01 23:11:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, you mean reply works
Jun 01 23:11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> well ok, that's even better since I changed permissions of http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/
Jun 01 23:12:28 <DocScrutinizer05> so the changed permissions a) were sufficient to reply and b) propagated to child objects
Jun 01 23:12:44 <Win7Mac> http://imgur.com/dkoQAl4
Jun 01 23:13:02 <DocScrutinizer05> but I'm interested the most if you get a way to create new thready on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ now
Jun 01 23:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> threads*
Jun 01 23:13:38 <Win7Mac> I prefer thready ;-)
Jun 01 23:14:44 <Win7Mac> sorry, I can't
Jun 01 23:14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> the main issue seems to be that somebody ... "ignored" that normal users don't (or shouldn't) see a midgard toolbar
Jun 01 23:16:11 <Win7Mac> somebody 'forgot' on purpose?
Jun 01 23:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> most likely not on purpose
Jun 01 23:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopMb3743.png
Jun 01 23:18:15 <DocScrutinizer05> also the "no logout2 problem
Jun 01 23:18:24 <DocScrutinizer05> same root
Jun 01 23:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> logout is in midgard toolbar
Jun 01 23:19:03 <Win7Mac> you know I don't have that bar right?
Jun 01 23:19:13 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the problem
Jun 01 23:19:31 <Win7Mac> indeed
Jun 01 23:19:50 <DocScrutinizer05> it's unclear if users are supposed to have it but not all options enabled, or they shouldn't see it at all
Jun 01 23:20:13 <bef0rd> i see the reply option but still can't see the create new thread
Jun 01 23:20:45 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the aforementioned vulnerability been that all users had that toolbar and it had menu entries to delete object, on repos, packages, posts, everything
Jun 01 23:21:42 <DocScrutinizer05> as a first stopgap measure, Rambo removed permission for midgard menu from group "all users imported from garage"
Jun 01 23:21:50 <Win7Mac> hide the unwanted options?
Jun 01 23:22:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if that worked like that before
Jun 01 23:22:56 <bef0rd> i remember the toolbar, can't see it now though
Jun 01 23:23:08 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway we're not able to enable the menubar for above quoted usergroup now, since those are >>1000 users and midgard admin GUI blows chunks on editing the permissions for those
Jun 01 23:23:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Rambo removed it via hacking the midgard mysql tables
Jun 01 23:23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> via SQL
Jun 01 23:24:15 <DocScrutinizer05> we're between a rock and a hard place now
Jun 01 23:25:06 <Win7Mac> if smth gets deleted it can't be undone?
Jun 01 23:25:12 <bef0rd> i suppose there are no plans to move from midgard at the moment
Jun 01 23:27:06 <DocScrutinizer05> no such plans
Jun 01 23:27:41 <DocScrutinizer05> to put it simple (though useless info): http://maemo.org/__mfa/asgard_midcom.admin.user/group/edit/49666e1a682311dbb2a2a7f86e286e0c6e0c/ never loads
Jun 01 23:27:58 <DocScrutinizer05> resp loads a blank page
Jun 01 23:28:30 <DocScrutinizer05> since it tries to build a list of all users belonging to that usergroup
Jun 01 23:28:43 <DocScrutinizer05> and that makes midgard/asgard explode
Jun 01 23:29:01 <Win7Mac> ^^ I get "Login
Jun 01 23:29:01 <Win7Mac> Access denied: You need the privilege midcom.admin.user:access."
Jun 01 23:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> above group is "All users imported from garage.maemo.org"
Jun 01 23:29:59 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you
Jun 01 23:31:15 <Win7Mac> but it doesn't load a blank page or never loads at all...
Jun 01 23:32:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you
Jun 01 23:33:55 <Win7Mac> i finally even got it already by now... ;-)
Jun 01 23:37:51 <Win7Mac> so a usergroup has to be manually setup?
Jun 01 23:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopQA3743.png is what I should get, and "Enable centralized toolbar" is what I'd need to set to "allow"
Jun 01 23:38:30 <Win7Mac> oh BTW, no idea if means anything, but woody mentioned that karma should work again by monday
Jun 01 23:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> "Enable centralized toolbar" is what Rambo set to "Deny" for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" and that made midgard toolbar vanish
Jun 01 23:41:47 <DocScrutinizer05> as you can see, the stupid page tries to load all users belonging to a group, and for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" the number of records makes the page never load
Jun 01 23:45:29 <Win7Mac> can't you set up new user group and re-import from garage?
Jun 01 23:46:24 <Win7Mac> *as group owner
Jun 01 23:46:25 <DocScrutinizer05> this particular usergroup is a special customization using unix passwd authentication instead of midgard user table in db
Jun 01 23:46:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc how to create such a usergroup
Jun 01 23:47:33 <DocScrutinizer05> thus "imported from garage"
Jun 01 23:50:06 <Win7Mac> from your screenshot... "owner group"... "Group hierarchie imported from garage..." is that some kind of commend or just a comment?
Jun 01 23:50:13 <Win7Mac> *command
Jun 01 23:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> it's still completely non-understood why regular users had the "delete" menu enabled in midgard toolbar
Jun 01 23:51:40 <DocScrutinizer05> seems it's the name of this group
Jun 01 23:51:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
Jun 01 23:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> the footer is awesome too: >>GUID: 0748dfa0638f11e1a42b472f08bfb405b405, ID: 7568. Created by test admin on Thu Mar 1 11:09:35 2012 <<
Jun 01 23:53:40 <DocScrutinizer05> first name "test", last name "admin"
Jun 01 23:53:56 <Win7Mac> surely a pro...
Jun 01 23:55:28 <Win7Mac> are you into what woody meant when he said karma should work by monday?
Jun 01 23:56:00 <DocScrutinizer05> not exactly
Jun 01 23:56:52 <Win7Mac> probably check with him if it's any midgard related
Jun 02 00:05:14 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, we check with each other each day
Jun 02 00:05:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I know about woody's karma work
Jun 02 00:06:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, it's faintly midgard related as well, but absolutely not user/group permissions related
Jun 02 00:07:49 <Win7Mac> mmhhh
Jun 02 00:15:34 <Win7Mac> my best shot would be to establish new user group and try to re-link that to garage. or would that be overkill again?
Jun 02 00:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> again, I have no idea how that special custom made usergroup gets implemented in midgard
Jun 02 00:26:07 <DocScrutinizer05> definitely NOT via midgard admin GUI
Jun 02 00:26:24 <DocScrutinizer05> but maybe you gave me another funny idea
Jun 02 00:27:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might the midgard admin page to open for editing the group
Jun 02 00:28:24 <DocScrutinizer05> s/might the/might allow the/
Jun 02 00:28:26 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might allow the midgard admin page to open for editing the group
Jun 02 00:30:04 <DocScrutinizer05> YUCK
Jun 02 00:30:22 <Win7Mac> well, how can it be done at all, if NOT via midgard admin GUI?
Jun 02 00:30:30 <DocScrutinizer05> might make maemo.org explode into my face
Jun 02 00:31:16 <DocScrutinizer05> as mentioned above, Eero did it via direct mySQL command to tweak the midgard database
Jun 02 00:32:09 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody on this planet except him and maybe max half a dozen other Nemein employees has the knowledge to do so
Jun 02 00:33:21 <Win7Mac> that really sucks
Jun 02 00:33:26 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Jun 02 00:34:19 <Win7Mac> and there is no pre-migration backup?
Jun 02 00:38:18 <Win7Mac> oh, just hit "report this"... button or mouse-over is not there, but link seems to work
Jun 02 00:38:47 <Win7Mac> * here: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/http---maemo-org-community-maemo-developers_defect/
Jun 02 00:50:19 <DocScrutinizer05> scrap that idea regarding /etc/passwd, been based on false assumptions
Jun 02 00:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> users get *imported* from garage - means they are in midgard db already
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