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Jun 09 03:28:23 <shadows> wrongly named file in http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mp-fremantle-community-pr/
Jun 09 03:28:41 <shadows> why does http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mp-fremantle-community-pr/mp-fremantle-community-pr_21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8_all.deb_  have the trailing underscore?
Jun 09 03:36:02 <DarkFox> Hmm, anyone ere have any suggestion to expired keys for maemo / nokia?
Jun 09 03:36:06 <DarkFox> W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
Jun 09 03:36:24 <rikanee> Nokia's official take on that issue: WONTFIX BUYLUMIA
Jun 09 03:36:58 <DarkFox> …
Jun 09 03:37:11 <DarkFox> wtf nokia?
Jun 09 03:38:19 <shadows> lol @ rikanee 
Jun 09 03:38:53 <DarkFox> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Jun 09 03:38:56 <shadows> DarkFox: Nokia abandoned the ship a while back
Jun 09 03:38:59 <DarkFox> ^ from apt-get upgrade
Jun 09 03:39:05 <DarkFox> shadows: I know :/
Jun 09 03:39:22 * DarkFox thinks there should be more updates and they should run…
Jun 09 03:39:27 <shadows> forget what I did to remove those errors though
Jun 09 03:39:27 <DarkFox> install / upgrade *
Jun 09 03:39:36 <DarkFox> shadows: Removed their repos?
Jun 09 03:39:40 <shadows> probably
Jun 09 03:40:22 <shadows> I'm on CSSU-devel and a maemoT8 w/ Power52 kernel I think
Jun 09 03:41:08 <shadows> btw this is unrelated to anything but I'll say it that Perogi works very well for Infra-Red remote control codes
Jun 09 03:41:11 <shadows> quite happy about that
Jun 09 03:41:24 * DarkFox would like to get archarm on his n900 dualbooting with full support over it's hardware. Anyone here remember the channel for that project?
Jun 09 03:41:34 <shadows> it was useful to have a smart phone that controlled a television at work, and co-workers remarked that I must be some kind of magical wizard
Jun 09 03:42:22 <DarkFox> shadows: haha
Jun 09 03:42:40 <DarkFox> tvbgone supports too few tv's I'll check this one out
Jun 09 03:43:02 <DarkFox> shadows: repo?
Jun 09 03:50:29 <shadows> DarkFox: must be devel
Jun 09 03:50:34 <shadows> or unstable
Jun 09 03:50:36 <DarkFox> shadows: I have it
Jun 09 03:50:39 <DarkFox> unstable probally
Jun 09 03:50:45 <rikanee> shadows: #maemo-alternatives
Jun 09 03:50:53 * DarkFox was installing something but forgot…
Jun 09 03:51:06 <shadows> rikanee: what about?
Jun 09 03:51:08 <DarkFox> Oh vodka lockscreen
Jun 09 03:51:28 <rikanee> shadows: archlinux.
Jun 09 03:51:47 <shadows> archlinux for N900 why?
Jun 09 03:52:07 <rikanee> oh wait, wrong ping, s/shadows/DarkFox/
Jun 09 03:52:12 <shadows> aye
Jun 09 03:52:44 <shadows> I used to own a C3000 and later a C3100 by Sharp
Jun 09 03:53:07 <shadows> they were terrible! I'm still only just happy to keep using my N900
Jun 09 03:53:20 <DarkFox> rikanee: I don't think that was the channel but I'll join them again
Jun 09 03:54:43 <shadows> DarkFox: http://pierogi.garage.maemo.org/  it just works, honest.
Jun 09 03:54:51 <shadows> no config files to muck about with
Jun 09 03:55:27 <shadows> the worst of it is that the IR-LED on N900 is not quite strong, so range is about 12 or 20 inches
Jun 09 03:56:04 <shadows> I am just happy to have that now when the remote for a device is lost or "we got this TV from the thrift store without a remote"
Jun 09 03:56:39 <DarkFox> shadows: inches?
Jun 09 03:56:46 <DarkFox> I think your ir led is broken
Jun 09 03:56:54 <DarkFox> Mine much more :D
Jun 09 03:57:20 <DarkFox> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/pierogi_1.1.15_armel.deb  404 Not Found
Jun 09 03:57:25 <DarkFox> Well then…
Jun 09 03:58:15 <shadows> oh I have version 1.0.0
Jun 09 03:58:32 <DarkFox> Hmm
Jun 09 03:58:34 <shadows> maybe I do have 1.1.15/
Jun 09 03:58:46 * shadows swears at the tiny screen
Jun 09 03:59:08 <DarkFox> shadows: Large screen *
Jun 09 03:59:15 <DarkFox> Think for it's time!!
Jun 09 03:59:42 <shadows> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/pierogi_1.1.25_armel.deb
Jun 09 03:59:59 <shadows> the index is just hosed, apt-get update first
Jun 09 03:59:59 <DarkFox> http://maemo.org/packages/view/pierogi/
Jun 09 04:00:07 <DarkFox> I did apt-get update
Jun 09 04:00:11 <DarkFox> It's been removed
Jun 09 04:00:24 <DarkFox> A bunch of times…
Jun 09 04:00:28 <shadows> oh okay you gotta go -devel ?
Jun 09 04:00:38 <DarkFox> I did
Jun 09 04:00:54 <DarkFox> I have it
Jun 09 04:00:59 <shadows> ha okay
Jun 09 04:01:08 <shadows> anyways it works a treat for me
Jun 09 04:01:31 <DarkFox> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free
Jun 09 04:01:41 <DarkFox> Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list 
Jun 09 04:02:36 <DarkFox> How using apt-get do you install a deb file alone?
Jun 09 04:02:43 * DarkFox hasn't touched debian for too long hahah
Jun 09 04:02:45 <shadows> oh, not using apt-get
Jun 09 04:02:54 <shadows> for deb packaging files you use the dpkg tool
Jun 09 04:03:14 <DarkFox> dpkg -i pierogi?
Jun 09 04:03:20 <shadows> generally if you need to resolve dependencies then you'd do "dpkg -i file.deb"  and immediately "apt-get -f install"
Jun 09 04:03:23 <shadows> yep
Jun 09 04:03:24 <DarkFox> s/\?/[tab]
Jun 09 04:04:03 * DarkFox found it in categories
Jun 09 04:04:03 <shadows> what is the difference between fremantle-1.3 and fremantle hmm
Jun 09 04:04:04 <DarkFox> :D
Jun 09 04:29:11 <DarkFox> shadows: watching movie now ;)
Jun 09 04:29:14 <DarkFox> thanks mate
Jun 09 04:29:52 <DarkFox> ssh on N900 <3 unerversal remote <3 shadows <3
Jun 09 04:29:54 <DarkFox> :D
Jun 09 05:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> DarkFox: there are no updates in those Nokia repos anyway
Jun 09 05:14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> shadows: none
Jun 09 05:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably should use fremantle
Jun 09 05:15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> fremantle-1.3 is meant to be a symlink to fremantle, until there's fremantle-1.4 which is scheduled for 2036
Jun 09 05:16:16 <shadows> good info DocScrutinizer05 
Jun 09 05:16:39 <shadows> 2036 that's the distant future hmm
Jun 09 05:17:02 <shadows> also happening to be the rollover date, so are you joking about it?
Jun 09 05:26:05 <DocScrutinizer05> guess ;-)
Jun 09 05:29:35 <DocScrutinizer05> fremntle-1.3 been created when it turned out we need a femantle-1.2 since some packages in fremsnatle(-1.3) would not be compatible to the 1.2 versions. So for those who intended to stay on pr1.2 there's been a fremantle-1.2 created, and to avoid being late next time there got fremantle-1.3 created as well same time, which been meant to stay in sync with fremantle until another incompatibility issue with any future PR1.4 would maybe 
Jun 09 05:29:37 <DocScrutinizer05> create a need for the 1.3 link
Jun 09 05:32:37 <DocScrutinizer05> now that it's clear no PR1.4 will ever come (and when it did, it was a mini-update that wouldn't break anything), there's basically no rationale for fremantle-1.3 symlink anymore
Jun 09 05:35:36 <shadows> okay thanks for the explain :)
Jun 09 06:07:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: morning
Jun 09 06:07:24 * freemangordon wonders do you ever sleep
Jun 09 06:30:08 <freemangordon> ~uboot
Jun 09 06:30:08 <infobot> N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files
Jun 09 06:30:20 <freemangordon> ~u-boot
Jun 09 06:30:20 <infobot> it has been said that u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Jun 09 06:35:03 <jon_y>  DocScrutinizer05 is a result of an unethical experiment on AI that has gone horribly right :)
Jun 09 06:35:31 <jon_y>  it has transcended its mortality, and sleep
Jun 09 06:38:05 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 09 06:43:44 <DocScrutinizer05> (~uboot) and it still gives me physical pain to look at mtd4: 00200000 00020000 "initfs"
Jun 09 06:46:52 <DocScrutinizer05> God, would that give a great extended uBoot/rescue-shell storage area. 
Jun 09 06:49:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet uboot could simply hijack /dev/mtd4 and join it with /dev/mtd3 to make one "logical volume" out of it - I.E. nothing in uBoot would force it to stop chainloading the kernel at that arbitrary virtual borderline between mtd3 and mtd4, since basically only NOLO and flasher *know* about NAND partition at all
Jun 09 07:07:45 <kerio> hm?
Jun 09 07:07:57 <kerio> i thought that there was some sort of "partition table"
Jun 09 07:08:08 <kerio> or maybe it's just a default kernel setting
Jun 09 09:56:20 * Shapeshifter is eyeing the Nokia 808
Jun 09 10:04:23 <jaska> 105
Jun 09 16:04:30 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: there's not
Jun 09 16:05:37 <DocScrutinizer05> there's /proc/mtd which is based on mtdparts passed to kernel via cmdline (or compiled in) but who cares
Jun 09 16:06:04 <DocScrutinizer05> for loading kernel it's completely irrelevant
Jun 09 16:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> GRRR /dev/mtd4 is _too_small_ for ubifs
Jun 09 16:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_few_lebs
Jun 09 17:52:11 <hardo> hey people
Jun 09 17:52:43 <hardo> somebody here to ask ?
Jun 09 17:52:55 <hardo> I got a few problems with my n900
Jun 09 17:53:11 <hardo> so maybe I can get some infomation :)
Jun 09 17:54:10 <SpeedEvil> what problems?
Jun 09 17:54:28 <hardo> Today I flashed my n900
Jun 09 17:54:52 <hardo> so I want to install the CSSU testing
Jun 09 17:55:37 <hardo> but there is the problem
Jun 09 17:56:12 <hardo> my version is 20.2010.36-2
Jun 09 17:57:17 <hardo> installing by the normal way don't work
Jun 09 17:57:25 <hardo> so I tried
Jun 09 17:57:33 <hardo> sudo gainroot
Jun 09 17:57:39 <hardo> apt-get update
Jun 09 17:57:58 <hardo> apt-get install ----
Jun 09 18:09:59 <orson> hardo: and then?
Jun 09 18:33:17 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't install cssu that way
Jun 09 18:35:09 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-t currently is broken afaik, you should install cssu-stable, the way that is explained at 
Jun 09 18:35:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Jun 09 18:35:11 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Jun 09 18:36:50 <hardo> a ok 
Jun 09 18:37:11 <hardo> but i instelled cssu t
Jun 09 18:38:02 <hardo> therefore i have to flash my n900 again
Jun 09 18:38:18 <hardo> to install the stable version
Jun 09 18:39:56 <hardo> when will be cssu available again
Jun 09 18:40:09 <hardo> and thanks for info
Jun 09 18:40:23 <freemangordon> hopefully later today, if not I guess tomorrow
Jun 09 18:40:41 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991 said it should be fixed again today. So expect for a working version tomorrow
Jun 09 18:41:08 <hardo> that sounds good to me
Jun 09 18:41:20 <DocScrutinizer05> and I don't think you need to reflash
Jun 09 18:41:26 <DocScrutinizer05> to install cssu-s
Jun 09 18:41:44 <hardo> it wouldn't be a problem if I have to wait 3 days
Jun 09 18:41:49 <DocScrutinizer05> when installing cssu-t failed, it *might* just work to install cssu-s
Jun 09 18:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, you and install cssu-t any time, over cssu-s
Jun 09 18:42:45 <DocScrutinizer05> though the differences between s and t are not as huge as some seem to believe
Jun 09 18:43:18 <hardo> I think I need the testing version for bleeding edge drivers
Jun 09 18:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> it's mainly a few "apps" are older (more mature) version on cssu-s (or not changed at all from stock, but you could install them manually any time), and several config settings are more conservative, but those are config options
Jun 09 18:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> drivers?
Jun 09 18:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu doesn't ship any drivers afaik
Jun 09 18:45:32 <DocScrutinizer05> are you sure you don't confuse that witj powerkernel?
Jun 09 18:45:53 <hardo> that could be
Jun 09 18:46:15 <hardo> I'm new maybe I am mixing some informations
Jun 09 18:46:47 <DocScrutinizer05> what drivers are you interested in?
Jun 09 18:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 09 18:48:55 <DocScrutinizer05> afk
Jun 09 19:10:44 <hardo> sorry I was called for eating
Jun 09 19:11:16 <hardo> in the wifi driver for cleven
Jun 09 19:11:31 <hardo> but thats not important at the moment
Jun 09 20:18:48 <kerio> if you're interested in wifi injection, you probably want kernel-power
Jun 09 22:02:20 <mad_dev> Anyone alive?
Jun 09 22:04:44 <merlin1991> ...
Jun 09 22:05:35 <mad_dev> I am searching for a joint partnership in developing an application for maemo
Jun 09 22:09:10 <mad_dev> I have already written the CLI version, i just need someone interested to develop the gui
Jun 09 22:09:52 <mad_dev> The project in question is CallerPy; A truecaller name retriever http://sourceforge.net/p/penbang/discussion/general/thread/b13f3eb1/
Jun 09 22:19:32 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Jun 09 22:21:44 <Wizzup_> heh
Jun 09 22:57:36 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349060#post1349060
Jun 10 00:41:15 <DocScrutinizer05> lol, spammers paradise:  whois xujerkyeyne.net  hertteflonsirrah.net  orcinhkjgr.net  aeneasgrusshak.net niggotflavhorde.net syftnadnova.net dehorsnod.net   ---> all the same: sucker stupids at http://www.namecheap.com/websites/onepager.aspx. ICANN should ban them
Jun 10 01:19:20 <DarkFox> DocScrutinizer05: Did you mean `for d in xujerkyeyne.net hertteflonsirrah.net orcinhkjgr.net aeneasgrusshak.net niggotflavhorde.net syftnadnova.net dehorsnod.net; whois $d`
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