**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 12 02:59:58 2013 Jun 12 04:13:04 guess what - I couldn't keep myself from doing the 100bucks preorder Jun 12 04:13:16 *sigh* Jun 12 04:13:38 btw the 40bucks is "SOLD OUT" Jun 12 04:15:05 preorder for what?? Jun 12 04:16:22 DocScrutinizer05: enjoy your Jolla shirt :D Jun 12 04:16:56 yeah LOL Jun 12 04:17:36 I probably have to wear it superman style since I never wear t-shirt only Jun 12 04:18:03 maybe they can also produce a red jolla slip Jun 12 04:18:15 which I could wear over my jeans then Jun 12 04:18:26 ;-P Jun 12 04:22:34 it's still highly annoying that the only info about "the other half" is: it will automatically switch sw skins (could be done by binary optical 5 digit "barcode" similar to camdoor on N900), it's available on many colors, it will snap on, and _only_ if I understood that noisy audio voice correctly in that presentation it *could* contain a large flash storage too Jun 12 04:23:15 DocScrutinizer05: not to mention, there's some kind of master-slave interface on it, apparently Jun 12 04:24:06 said interface is the mystery soup of the day Jun 12 04:24:33 and you know, I already wonder if the limited edition maybe has your name engraved in backside of "other half", like Nokia 6210 "special edition" had for that tiny plastic thingy above the microphone, and if maybe due to the increased effort to produce those, the limited edition will ship *later* than normal jolla phones Jun 12 04:26:46 rikanee: I watched that video where the guy swapped the back cover, frame by frame, to get an idea of the phone body backside where that "other half" snaps on and maybe spot some contacts or sth. They did a pretty good job to never really show that backside of phone, but the 2 frames where you might see something, it's all plain black, no contacts whatsoever visible Jun 12 04:28:43 DocScrutinizer05: yup, it's a total mystery how it works Jun 12 04:28:59 hmm, let's see - when *I* were to design that thing, what would I do? smal holes in plastic of phone backside, with goldplated testpoints behind, and pogopins on "the other half"? Jun 12 04:29:54 DocScrutinizer05: that's pretty much the only way to do it, unless they thought of something Revolutionary (tm) Jun 12 04:29:59 cheap but prone to break on awkward users Jun 12 04:31:59 anyway for silly simple things like wireless (inductive) charging, you need a few beefy contacts that can cope with a few Amps Jun 12 04:32:42 so no way you could use flimsy things like rubber bars as they are used to contact LCD to PCB Jun 12 04:35:25 anyway the mechanical contacts are only one aspect - way more interesting are the electrical specs. SPI? I2C? USB? ULPI? HSI? Jun 12 04:35:40 raw membus interface? Jun 12 04:37:13 USB for example would be rather unfortunate, since for instance the mentorgraphix musb-core in OMAP eats a 60mA only for being *enabled* Jun 12 04:39:08 membus you impossibly can get right regarding trace length signal propagation delays, particularly with such crap as contacts in between Jun 12 04:40:05 reflections/ringing and propagartion delay differences defeat the use of direct memory bus Jun 12 04:41:32 I2C was a feasible alternative, but for sure not for large flash memory (or did the guy say "flash" - as for taking photos?) Jun 12 04:43:52 HSI (http://www.mipi.org/specifications/high-speed-synchronous-serial-interface-hsi) would be an alternative, but then Jolla wasn't even allowed to oublish the electrical specs of this one Jun 12 04:44:10 s/oub/pub/ Jun 12 04:44:10 DocScrutinizer05 meant: HSI (http://www.mipi.org/specifications/high-speed-synchronous-serial-interface-hsi) would be an alternative, but then Jolla wasn't even allowed to publish the electrical specs of this one Jun 12 04:51:26 and to be honest I think 100EUR subscription to earn a 100EUR off the sales pricetag, plus a label "limited edition" and a cheesy t-shirt on top, that's not that outstanding a deal Jun 12 04:52:59 and then the "no obligation to purchase" ROTFL suuuure. I bet they happily keep my 100 bucks and say "no problem pal! you don't *have to* pay another 299.-. Let's smply forget about it" Jun 12 04:57:14 anyway it seems to me jolla *massively* improved on their website design. It feels way less kinky that last time I looked at it Jun 12 04:57:42 s/that/than/. Jun 12 05:05:00 what I already hate about the sailfish UX is the focus / prominent place of "feeds" Jun 12 05:06:45 as litter/facecock/ centric as the whole jolla.com site Jun 12 05:06:57 what about people who hate all that social shit? Jun 12 05:08:05 tbh sailfish has all the properties I hated in N9 from beginning Jun 12 05:09:06 or in short: I want my "desktop" back Jun 12 05:10:04 appstore my ass Jun 12 05:10:52 and even as one of 4(?) main views of the whole UX Jun 12 05:11:29 as if I'd waste 25% of my day surfing the appstore for new leete apps Jun 12 05:12:23 that's again eyecandy that is nice in the shop when testing the device, but gets annoying like hell after 3 months of daily usage Jun 12 05:18:42 optimized for a good first impression, neglecting true everyday usability / ergonomics Jun 12 05:23:59 maemo5 has 4 (CSSU: 9?) desktops for me that I can customize all the damn way I like, even placing a fullscreen feedreader widget on one of them, to mimic what sailfish does Jun 12 05:38:41 * ShadowJK uses 0 desktops Jun 12 05:39:14 8 have 3 xterms and "screen" though :) Jun 12 05:41:46 ShadowJK: I'm talking about phone Jun 12 05:42:02 N900, yes Jun 12 05:42:07 I'm also rarely using the desktops Jun 12 05:42:28 only for accessing my contact shortcuts Jun 12 05:42:38 or to start xterm (via shortcut) Jun 12 05:42:46 or xchat Jun 12 05:43:04 or to look at weather widget Jun 12 05:43:29 or access any of my microB bookmarks that I got on desktop#4 Jun 12 05:44:26 or to start the "phone" - since I still failed to figure how to open the *dialer* via pressing the cam button Jun 12 05:45:24 which actually is one of my most severe annoyances with N900 Jun 12 05:46:22 no direct access the dialer (the one with digit keys, *, #) via hw button, no redial by simply pressing dialer hw button twice Jun 12 05:47:33 if only dialer wasn't closed crap Jun 12 05:47:58 and contacts Jun 12 05:48:07 and calendar Jun 12 05:49:08 actually those apps being closed blobs defeated half of the purpose why I ever switched to a linux smartphone Jun 12 05:50:36 dialer is worse than the Nokia 6210, and I hoped for fixing the annoyances of 6210 in dialer of whatever FOSS smartphone I switched to from my 6210 Jun 12 05:51:18 but actually 6210 beats maemo dialer hands down Jun 12 05:51:22 usability wise Jun 12 05:55:48 is there a way to get the PUK of the SIM with n900? Jun 12 05:55:57 no Jun 12 05:56:05 you can't get PUK if the SIM Jun 12 05:56:14 * tx0h sighs Jun 12 05:56:15 of* Jun 12 05:56:34 your SIM issuer can tell you PUK, even via telephone Jun 12 05:57:48 the PUK is "hardcoded" and can't be changed, and in turn you can't query it Jun 12 05:57:52 afaik Jun 12 05:58:29 the 'phone' application on n900 is very slow and when it rings in the pocket you easily close the connection while touching the disconnect button. Jun 12 05:58:39 but unlike PIN (which might got changed by user) the PUK is known by your card provider Jun 12 05:59:31 is that what you annoys you too? Jun 12 05:59:46 I hardly ever have that problem, since the phone is locked (blank screen) as long as proximity sensor detects something near it Jun 12 06:00:34 and I carry my N900 in a holster/pouch Jun 12 06:00:37 but when it rings, don't you get the phone loaded? Jun 12 06:00:41 not in pocket Jun 12 06:01:00 usually not, since I never keep microB opened Jun 12 06:01:15 microB? Jun 12 06:01:24 web browser Jun 12 06:01:56 what are you doing when you get a call? Jun 12 06:02:38 accept or reject it ;-) Jun 12 06:02:42 or ignore it Jun 12 06:03:05 and turn device face down to mute it, when I decide to ignore Jun 12 06:03:13 but you get the phone app loaded, right? with the accept and reject button Jun 12 06:03:15 IroN900:/etc/event.d# uptime Jun 12 06:03:17 08:01 11 Tage 16:22 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,00, 0,00, 0,00 Jun 12 06:03:18 IroN900:/etc/event.d# free Jun 12 06:03:19 total used free shared buffers cached Jun 12 06:03:21 Mem: 245540 242932 2608 0 9824 88884 Jun 12 06:03:23 -/+ buffers/cache: 144224 101316 Jun 12 06:03:24 Swap: 786424 113968 672456 Jun 12 06:03:28 still works absolutely normal Jun 12 06:03:54 11 tage is schon schoen Jun 12 06:03:57 loaded? yes, I see it popping up Jun 12 06:04:58 right, and then, in 50% of all cases, i manage it to hit the reject button while getting the phone from my pocket :-( Jun 12 06:05:33 as metioned before, it's locked when I take it "out of the pocket" Jun 12 06:06:01 and since holster, I grab it on the sides, not tapping the screen Jun 12 06:06:40 yes, it's locked here too, but the phone 'popup' appears even if it is locked or not. Jun 12 06:06:46 but yes, the accept and reject buttons are design failures Jun 12 06:07:02 they both should be slider switches, not pushbuttons Jun 12 06:07:44 you don't read me, the lock is from proximity sensor, not from me locking the device Jun 12 06:08:34 is it a special daemon which checks the proximity sensor? what do i need to install/configure Jun 12 06:08:44 you ever pressed a button with your ear? No? see, that's because of proximity sensor locking the screen as soon as sth gets near the screen Jun 12 06:08:58 it's default on all maemo5 Jun 12 06:09:35 of course screen unblanks / unlocks as soon as you take the device out of its pocket Jun 12 06:09:39 * tx0h sighs Jun 12 06:10:01 so you better don't grab it on back and front/screen Jun 12 06:10:13 but rather on the small side Jun 12 06:10:43 i usually try to. Jun 12 06:11:49 you're just Holding It Wrong© Jun 12 06:11:55 LOL Jun 12 06:12:04 moo kerio Jun 12 06:12:37 and there is only this standard phone application, right? Jun 12 06:12:59 i think it is also very slow. Jun 12 06:13:11 I asked several times if some gtk hacker could patch the buttons of dialer, so to make them slider switches (like lockscreen) Jun 12 06:13:32 yepp, would be smart Jun 12 06:13:52 with some patching of the binary, plus LD_PRELOAD we *could* fix that for dialer Jun 12 06:14:22 aiui Jun 12 06:17:33 tx0h: yes, there is only one dialer app, it's closed, and it's particularly slow on friggin auto-rotations. So nail it to portrait-always, in menu->orientation Jun 12 06:18:14 auto-rotate almost made me throw the N900 at the next wall Jun 12 06:18:42 you *inevitably* hit reject instead accept button, and vice versa Jun 12 06:19:39 at least wen you don't hold your phone upfront your face, to accept a call. I usually hold it horizontally and look down on it Jun 12 06:21:00 tilt it a tiny bit to the left (not usual for right-handed persons) and it auto-rotates from portrait to landscape while you try to accept the call Jun 12 06:21:23 ##@!!¶}\\}!!!#**!@@ Jun 12 06:24:10 seems I'm in a modd to rant today ;-P Jun 12 06:24:14 mood even Jun 12 06:25:50 IroN900:/etc/event.d# mission-control --help Jun 12 06:25:52 Aborted (core dumped) Jun 12 06:25:54 \o/ Jun 12 06:25:59 oh lol Jun 12 06:26:42 hehe, yes. this orientation thing is really worth a try Jun 12 06:27:33 wtf does mission-control? Jun 12 06:27:59 it's your direct line to the nsa :-) Jun 12 06:28:01 I know it can mess with rtcomm accounts Jun 12 06:28:19 I *think* I know that Jun 12 06:28:33 nsa or nasa? Jun 12 06:29:04 they just call it mission-control, but it's nsa :-) Jun 12 06:29:22 really, i'm clueless Jun 12 06:29:34 mission-control --abort-launch Jun 12 06:29:48 I bet you are, I'm more worried that *I* am too, after all those years Jun 12 06:30:44 * DocScrutinizer05 fetches his O'Reilley "Maemo5 unleashed" Jun 12 06:30:49 waaaait... Jun 12 06:31:59 ~wiki mission-control Jun 12 06:32:02 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=mission-control&go=Go Jun 12 06:32:13 ~useless Jun 12 06:32:13 * infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jun 12 06:32:28 aww, i didn't mean it like that Jun 12 06:32:31 ~botsnack Jun 12 06:32:31 kerio: thanks Jun 12 06:32:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control Jun 12 06:32:54 oh cool, ~wiki also works on freemangordon Jun 12 06:33:00 TADAA http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control Jun 12 06:33:12 DocScrutinizer05: ~useless Jun 12 06:33:12 no, it is our uncle ;) Jun 12 06:33:16 ohdamn, freemangordon beat me to it Jun 12 06:33:24 as usually :P Jun 12 06:35:20 AHAA mc-tool --help serves me better Jun 12 06:36:28 meh, boring IM crap Jun 12 06:37:26 now that at least explains why I had no clue about mission-control Jun 12 06:37:34 I simply don't need it Jun 12 06:44:33 btw NSA has no spyware on maemo5. I can tell for sure since *I* spy on *them* X-P Jun 12 06:56:48 hehe Jun 12 07:10:32 I wonder who else coulr give pov.lt server a kick, since mgedmin seems not available Jun 12 07:11:09 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders starting a little DoS attack to bring it down for a few minutes Jun 12 07:20:27 qwazix: tampere? you should find a lot of friends there Jun 12 07:20:52 DocScrutinizer05, yep! Who is there? Jun 12 07:21:06 err, half of the HARM folks? Jun 12 07:21:13 :nod: Jun 12 07:22:06 shall I grep the garage db for you? ;-) Jun 12 07:22:50 hehe :) Jun 12 07:24:00 http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=15296680 was so lightning fast, I've not been the first one to query that Jun 12 07:24:43 probably, since I think there are going to be several maemo people over there Jun 12 07:24:46 honestly, the page got ready after 0.2s Jun 12 07:25:12 incredible Jun 12 07:25:22 0.04here :) Jun 12 07:25:42 :-S Jun 12 07:26:01 and I started to cheer about my 16MB DSL Jun 12 07:26:29 * DocScrutinizer05 goes getting fibre Jun 12 07:27:07 200, meh 1000 Jun 12 07:27:13 ;-P Jun 12 07:27:23 nah, I don't think its internet connectivity, we are in the stone ages here. Just the fact that you had just fetched that page Jun 12 07:28:00 but yeah, our server is a nice monster sometimes (when midgard doesn't suck) Jun 12 07:28:36 midgard always sucks! Jun 12 07:28:46 a guy wants to push another 32GB RAM onto us ;-) Jun 12 07:29:22 I also wait anxiously for the new switch Jun 12 07:29:35 Down speed: 25.32Mbps Up:9.21mbps, and I'm on the fastest thing a consumer can buy Jun 12 07:29:46 :( Jun 12 07:30:05 WUT? where from you get THAT upstream BW? Jun 12 07:30:24 down 12 up 1.2 Jun 12 07:30:33 err down 21 up 1.2 Jun 12 07:30:52 My "promised" BW is 50/10 Jun 12 07:30:56 vDSL Jun 12 07:31:37 but I rarely get more than 30 down Jun 12 07:31:49 hm down 31,5 up 1,9 Jun 12 07:31:52 must be the time Jun 12 07:32:03 up usually is nowhere near that value :D Jun 12 07:32:10 ugh. jelly. Jun 12 07:32:31 1.6 Mb/s down 0.4 Mb/s up. Jun 12 07:32:49 Can i make a bootable flash disk with my N900 ? Maybe using it's native removable-disk mode ? Jun 12 07:33:06 Simply connect to USB, and load SystemRescueCd ? Jun 12 07:33:23 Or, it's not gonna run like this ? Jun 12 07:33:45 well it exports the vfat over usb, but I fear it isn't fast enough with that and your motherboard probably decides that there is nothing to find before it's exported Jun 12 07:34:00 XATRIX: what you want is g_file_storage, as used in Backupmenu Jun 12 07:34:41 wait a bit, why not vfat-over-usb ? Jun 12 07:35:02 It uses the same USB2.0 as the standard flash-disk does Jun 12 07:35:36 XATRIX: it puts VFAT on its own LUN Jun 12 07:36:04 there's no MBR to boot off of in that case Jun 12 07:36:08 so, my MB BIOS won't gonna recognise it as a boot disk ? Jun 12 07:36:16 Ah...crap Jun 12 07:36:18 yes. Jun 12 07:45:47 I heard somebody did exactly that: a linux install "disk" on N900 Jun 12 07:46:55 was it ShadowJK? javispedro? Jun 12 07:54:25 iirc in the computer hadaikum there been "floppies" that also had no MBR but computers booted from them Jun 12 07:54:45 now we got superfloppy format on flash Jun 12 07:54:57 DocScrutinizer05: needs floppy emulation in BIOS though Jun 12 07:55:39 most BIOSes do just IDE emulation for USB mass storage devices, if a Legacy OS is specified Jun 12 07:55:55 hmm, possible Jun 12 07:56:23 too bad AMI and co. stripped out that option though, it used to be everywhere on P4 boards Jun 12 07:57:26 so today's floppy drives (if you find any) are gloeified (S)ATA HDD? Jun 12 07:57:39 DocScrutinizer05: BTW, have you seen the new Mac Pro? Jun 12 07:57:46 nope Jun 12 07:57:58 except maybe on my LAN Jun 12 07:58:00 ;-) Jun 12 07:58:07 DocScrutinizer05: floppy support is dropped in pretty much all boards today, USB booting is the new hot thing Jun 12 07:58:27 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ Jun 12 07:58:35 their assembly of the thing is mind-boggling Jun 12 07:58:41 hehe Jun 12 07:58:55 do I really want to know about it? Jun 12 07:59:09 ah, PXE. reminds me, gotta figure out a way to PXE boot wirelessly. Jun 12 07:59:42 DocScrutinizer05: they're marketing an almost unexpandable cylinder as their new workstation Jun 12 08:00:30 but, the interesting part is how it's so compact, and how it could actually become a thing in self-built PCs Jun 12 08:00:51 there's a giant central heatsink, and one turbine fan, which cools the CPU and GPU Jun 12 08:03:08 IIRC, they use ribbon PCIe risers to get things into interesting places to save space Jun 12 08:09:51 awesome Jun 12 08:10:37 I think last time I seen such weird stuff been in my Sony scoopman, which ahd a flexible PCB that got folded five times to fit into the case Jun 12 08:11:10 I never dared to disassemble that gem of engineering Jun 12 08:12:10 it still sits in my drawer unopened Jun 12 08:12:46 and still plays those micro-dat-cassettes size of a mini-sd Jun 12 08:13:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT_(cassette) Jun 12 08:14:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Minimedia.jpg Jun 12 08:15:08 heh Jun 12 08:15:13 i have a nt tape recorder Jun 12 08:15:33 hey colleague Jun 12 08:15:39 nt-1 here Jun 12 08:15:43 they threw junk out at work so i confiscated it Jun 12 08:16:09 the nt-2 been way too huge compared to NT-1 Jun 12 08:16:18 even have the line-in adapter thingy Jun 12 08:16:21 that goes into the battery bay Jun 12 08:16:37 and some cassettes Jun 12 08:16:40 wow, I lost that Jun 12 08:17:11 yeah, i looked peculiar so i thought id grab it Jun 12 08:17:34 it's a really nifty mechanism Jun 12 08:17:54 DocScrutinizer05: that's a /tiny/ cassette. I thought my MO disks were weird. Jun 12 08:18:31 yea, i had never seen cassettes that small before Jun 12 08:19:28 I got one of the first available NT-1 in Germany Jun 12 08:20:08 it been a friggin epiphany Jun 12 08:20:28 ond only 1600DM Jun 12 08:20:45 iirc Jun 12 08:21:04 or was it 800? Jun 12 08:21:19 noo idea Jun 12 08:21:22 it looked expensive Jun 12 08:21:30 and the tale been that Sony paid 1600 for production, just to show off what they *can* do Jun 12 08:21:54 can't recall Jun 12 08:22:18 hm, my first Minidisc player was also really expensive. Jun 12 08:23:36 hey warfare! moinmoin! Jun 12 08:25:25 hey DocScrutinizer05 :) Jun 12 08:28:44 Where has all the cool engineering gone? ;) (Sony Walkman, MiniDisc, Risc Workstations) Jun 12 08:30:01 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_001.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_002.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_004.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_005.jpg Jun 12 08:30:33 i only have 1 5-pack of the cassettes Jun 12 08:30:43 90min i think theyre all Jun 12 08:34:10 I carried that NT-1 and 6 of the 4-cas blisters packed into a cigarette package with me for ~5 years of my life Jun 12 08:34:30 heh Jun 12 08:35:53 walkman was great, but take 24 of philips casettes with you all the time ;-P Jun 12 08:36:54 the NT-1 and 24 NTC and a headphone fitted into my jacket's pockets Jun 12 08:39:33 and it been awesome device for recording live acts Jun 12 08:40:36 warfare: when will we see 1Gb/s on maemo.org? Jun 12 08:41:27 warfare: also do you support the idea of getting 2 pcs of those 4TB drives? Jun 12 08:41:51 as I already anticipated, Rob is ignoring my mails completely Jun 12 08:42:29 so if we want those backup external thingies, we need a mail from you to Rob it seems Jun 12 08:42:58 oh... Jun 12 08:43:19 warfare: I got an announcement of a donation for 32GB RAM coming in Jun 12 08:43:57 or rather, 24 (we need to finance the 4th DIMM from other source) Jun 12 08:44:54 warfare: could you evaluate which DIMMs we'd want to get, exactly? Jun 12 08:45:47 I'd love to beef up the www VM RAM Jun 12 08:48:43 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what been council's decision during meeting as of 2(?) weeks ago, regarding blade-c Jun 12 08:53:36 damn! the http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm has only 4 DIMM sockets per CPU aiui Jun 12 09:05:20 hmm, so we need another E5 too Jun 12 09:12:44 DocScrutinizer05: you can buy bigger DIMMs Jun 12 09:12:56 "I've fixed that (rounded up a bit, will take a day or two)." \o/ Jun 12 09:12:59 :-D Jun 12 09:13:15 rikanee: already pondered it Jun 12 09:13:37 and keep the 4 pcs 8GB for times when we want to populate a third blade Jun 12 09:14:19 but that would be almost 500bucks then Jun 12 09:14:27 just for the RAM Jun 12 09:15:38 and when getting a E5 for blade-c, we almost have "too much" RAM then (yes Iknow, there's no such thing like "too much RAM" ;-D ) Jun 12 09:25:08 oh lovely, that new clock ui has a .deb now Jun 12 09:44:46 i bet nobody here has the location of that status-menu battery plugin that also shows time left etc? Jun 12 09:44:54 not talking about advanced-power orso Jun 12 09:52:44 Lava_Croft: what is with new battery status menu plugin? Jun 12 09:54:16 I had this (i think) replacement for status-area-applet-battery that also showed percentage, time left etc Jun 12 09:54:36 from some dark corner of TMO, but i cant for the life of me find it again :< Jun 12 09:55:06 Pali: e2fsprogs from wheezy, sounds good? Jun 12 09:55:55 Lava_Croft: in cssu devel is last version of this status area battery which show more info Jun 12 09:56:17 freemangordon: I have git repo of e2fsprogs Jun 12 09:56:21 I will try to compile it Jun 12 09:56:23 apparently not present in cssu-thumb? Jun 12 09:56:46 Pali: packaging step fails :( Jun 12 09:57:18 will look at it Jun 12 09:57:37 Pali: though I am trying it in THUMB target, might work n ARMEL Jun 12 09:57:51 Lava_Croft: about cssu-thumb ask freemangordon Jun 12 09:58:06 Pali: BTW we should be very careful how we compile it Jun 12 09:58:31 test -z "`find /home/maemo/workspace/cssu/e2fsprogs-1.42.5/debian/tmp -type f`" Jun 12 09:58:32 make: *** [install-std] Error 1 Jun 12 09:58:46 WTF? Jun 12 09:59:17 nice, thanks Pali! Jun 12 09:59:38 Pali: the non-thumb runs fine, but I guess it wont hurt if freemangordon looks at it Jun 12 10:00:02 but atm i'll let him wtf at his computer Jun 12 10:00:04 :) Jun 12 10:12:46 Lava_Croft: BTW: I recently had to reflash during HAM screwing up a CSSU-thumb upgrade... no more CSSU-thumb for me then Jun 12 10:13:03 even though fault was at HAM (it did not ask for a modified config file, but just put the new version next to it) Jun 12 10:13:05 freemangordon: I know where is problem, rather move to #maemo-ssu Jun 12 10:13:15 normally dpkg asks on terminal such things... HAM skips these questions :( Jun 12 10:13:57 issue basically was that I had once changed rcS-late, restored it to original version later, but dpkg still thought it was modified (mtime probably) Jun 12 10:14:05 and put the new version next to it with .dpkg-new suffix Jun 12 10:14:23 on Debain, dpkg then asks the user for which version to use, show diff, etc. - but HAM did not Jun 12 10:15:04 also, even more funny - /etc/event.d contained more .dpkg-new files, where I didn't even touch the original files. So more HAM screwup... Jun 12 10:15:24 noticed this only later after the reflash in a backup i made before, though Jun 12 10:17:33 so for now I will stay on a CSSU flavor with less frequent HAM updates... until I know how to work around this Jun 12 10:17:52 if only HAM didn't auto reboot after a big upgrade was installed, I could just check manually for .dpkg-* files before reboot... Jun 12 10:31:36 oh, you also have those event.d/*.dpkg-new cruft? Jun 12 10:31:39 same here Jun 12 10:31:42 nasty Jun 12 10:32:28 but mine are definitely "old" since last update I ran been T7.1 Jun 12 10:32:52 iirc Jun 12 10:39:04 divVerent: >_< Jun 12 10:39:13 i reflashed yesterday, no troubles Jun 12 10:39:33 but yeah, welcome to the world where shit breaks :< Jun 12 10:45:05 [2013-06-10 22:02:32] hmm I wonder if files like ke-recv.dpkg-new and icd2.dpkg-new in /etc/event.d do any good Jun 12 10:45:06 [2013-06-10 22:06:54] http://privatepaste.com/efeb0ad74f Jun 12 10:45:08 [2013-06-10 22:11:57] http://privatepaste.com/a46c5d990c Jun 12 10:45:09 [2013-06-10 22:12:41] http://privatepaste.com/910207db60 Jun 12 10:45:30 CSSU never touched icd2 Jun 12 10:49:21 well, nfc Jun 12 10:55:41 would any of you remember the file or keyname of that drag-threshold in hildon/sapwood/whatever (pixels to move touchpoint before it gets noticed as drag action)? Jun 12 10:55:58 we discussed that several months ago Jun 12 10:56:34 some gtk-config iirc Jun 12 10:57:28 the thingie with the tap-and-hold menus closing as soon as you remove the tap Jun 12 11:00:49 ohyeah, and it also needed some command to get "compiled", after any changes, iirc Jun 12 11:09:56 kerio: ^^^ Jun 12 11:35:17 anyone with a working Waze app on n900? Jun 12 12:01:25 gtk-dnd-drag-threshold Jun 12 12:01:31 but which file Jun 12 12:03:17 dnd?? Jun 12 12:03:23 !6d6 Jun 12 12:03:30 ~5d6 Jun 12 12:03:37 ~1d6 Jun 12 12:03:37 You roll a 5 Jun 12 12:03:41 yeah! Jun 12 12:43:20 "Thursday: 10am-1pm (3 hours??!) Eastern." (next week) Jun 12 12:43:38 ~dice 3d8 Jun 12 12:43:40 rolled 1,7,2 = 10 Jun 12 12:44:11 ~literal 1d6 Jun 12 12:44:11 "1d6" is "You roll a (1|2|3|4|5|6)" Jun 12 12:44:37 ~literal 2d6 Jun 12 12:44:37 "2d6" is "You roll a (2|3|3|4|4|4|5|5|5|5|6|6|6|6|6|7|7|7|7|7|7|8|8|8|8|8|9|9|9|9|10|10|10|11|11|12)" Jun 12 13:00:39 sed -iBACKUP "s/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = [0-9]*/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = 100/" \ Jun 12 13:00:40 /opt/usr/share/themes/*/gtk-2.0/gtkrc && /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache Jun 12 13:05:52 damn messybox! Jun 12 13:06:01 sed -i "s/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = [0-9]*/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = 100/" /opt/usr/share/themes/*/gtk-2.0/gtkrc && /usr/bin/hildon-theme-recache-all Jun 12 13:12:18 change drag&drop "distance" needed to detect a dnd from a tap (original value: 30?) Jun 12 13:13:32 added to ~jrtools as well Jun 12 13:23:56 hard to believe but it seems our HiFo BoD agreed on Thu 2013-06-20 10am-1pm EDT for a meeting Jun 12 13:28:23 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06/exclusive-an-early-look-at-intels-own-phone-ui-obsidian/ Jun 12 13:28:48 Mobile devices is like the Linux desktop all over again, with all those different DE's Jun 12 13:40:52 one thing is annoying about having a 64gb external sd card in your n900 Jun 12 13:41:02 when copying over pictures via rsync, you realize its 12gb of pictures Jun 12 14:49:05 DocScrutinizer05: link? Jun 12 15:19:56 Hello agai Jun 12 15:19:58 n Jun 12 15:21:41 hmm Jun 12 15:21:53 I uploaded a package to the builder the other day like 2 days ago Jun 12 15:21:58 it build successfully Jun 12 15:21:58 So, I just installed the power kernel too, working nice Jun 12 15:22:05 but still hasn't been imported to devel/extras Jun 12 15:22:24 But am I correct that it is not possible to install / enable usb host mode with power kernel installed? Jun 12 15:23:34 I thought the only way to enable USB host mode was with power kernel? Jun 12 15:23:40 oh Jun 12 15:23:43 alright, weird Jun 12 15:23:58 i'm getting mixed signals but i'll just try it out and cry later when it doesn't work Jun 12 15:24:19 well USB host mode is not supported by hardware in the N900 but there are some workarounds Jun 12 15:24:35 one called "hostmode" Jun 12 15:24:49 well, i'll just install that thebn Jun 12 15:27:20 I guess you should read: te toqué corneta las dos Jun 12 15:27:21 err Jun 12 15:27:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 Jun 12 15:30:31