**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 15 02:59:59 2013 Jun 15 06:51:35 Why do important thinks appear to happen when I am asleep :) Jun 15 07:12:04 Hello. I have a Nokia N900 phone. How do you turn it on? I've owned it for two years, and I still can't figure that out. If I hold the button for less than a couple of seconds, it shows a splashscreen Jun 15 07:12:17 and doesn't boot. If I press it for more than a minute, it shows some strange images and still doesn't boot Jun 15 07:13:41 I usually get it right on the third-fourth try, but I am still not sure what I have done exactly to achieve booting Jun 15 07:14:04 you should hold the powerbutton until the led lights up white and it vibrates once Jun 15 07:14:15 Ah. Thanks. Jun 15 07:14:19 That explains it. Jun 15 07:14:32 however, if the battery is empty and you have the charger plugged in, it may not work as you'd expect Jun 15 07:15:23 What happens then? Jun 15 07:17:57 if the battery doesn't have enough power it seems to stick to recharging state no matter if you press the power button or not, it just falls back somehow, I'm not familiar with the details of that, but if I've run out of battery I charge it for a few minutes, then unplug the charger, turn it on, enter pin etc and plug it back in after that Jun 15 07:18:24 I see. Thank you very much :) Jun 15 07:18:29 if it can't get to security code / pin queries it needs more charging Jun 15 07:24:29 Another happy customer, eh? Jun 15 07:27:41 DT-33 can be a lifesaver for N900 users Jun 15 07:31:03 Is pretty good on N900 as long as the battery isn't totally worn out Jun 15 07:31:15 plug in wait awhile, press powerbutton Jun 15 07:34:38 <_rd> Can anybody tell how I get the > character with rescueOS? Jun 15 08:27:06 DocScrutinizer05: yeah lets make some noiZe Jun 15 08:27:19 Best TMO post I have seen in a while http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1352142&postcount=17 Jun 15 08:27:20 morning Jun 15 08:27:24 morning Jun 15 08:27:45 morning Jun 15 08:28:55 *yawn* Jun 15 08:29:20 chem|st: now you're here... What do you plan for CSSU-T? Jun 15 08:29:26 oops Jun 15 08:29:30 CSSU-S that is Jun 15 08:29:49 chem|st: I hope you;re aware if the issue with gmail Jun 15 08:30:08 * freemangordon *yawn* too Jun 15 08:31:35 freemangordon: wrong channel Jun 15 11:08:28 so I grabbed the EMMC FIASCO image to flash, I extracted it with 0xFFFF, then I took a look at the resulting image, and it has a msdos header thingie (including 55 AA), but no partition table :( Jun 15 11:13:24 for what? Jun 15 11:13:32 rootfs, homefs or mydocs? Jun 15 11:54:29 btw, freemangordon.. the gmail fix can be installed on cssu-S? Jun 15 11:55:18 * Sicelo has only recently noticed it (because he uses mutt most of the time) Jun 15 12:13:34 eddyb: see Jun 15 12:13:38 ~jrtools Jun 15 12:13:38 i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 15 12:14:34 eddyb: you wouldn't want to download and flash a 32GB physical device image Jun 15 12:17:54 eddyb: so the VANILLA is not an image but rather a job Jun 15 12:24:12 DocScrutinizer05: nice post ;) Jun 15 12:24:27 hehe Jun 15 12:27:35 well until merlin kicks the builder box again I can sleep or better still get back to watching the GP QP. Jun 15 12:27:58 GP QP? Jun 15 12:28:36 MotoGP Qualifying :) Jun 15 12:29:13 aaah :-) Jun 15 12:29:56 you by any chance got a link to unification tmo thread? Jun 15 12:31:32 DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461 Jun 15 12:31:35 nm found it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461 Jun 15 12:31:45 :-D thanks :-) Jun 15 12:31:51 snap ... again Jun 15 12:32:19 searched for "align" ;) Jun 15 12:38:57 DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I was napping. so I read the .layout file, however I don't see enough info to get a complete EMMC out of the 250MB image Jun 15 12:39:18 :P Jun 15 12:40:36 eddyb: the emmc is mostly yours anyway.. system takes up only asmall portion. Jun 15 12:41:29 eddyb: what would be missing? fdisk and mkfs probably only need a few hundred bytes input to create arbitrary number of arbitrarily sized partitions on any device Jun 15 12:41:57 DocScrutinizer05: mapping between the 250MB file and the EMMC Jun 15 12:42:09 which btw is the reason why you need a semi-functional rootfs to flash eMMC Jun 15 12:42:55 what mapping? Jun 15 12:43:07 pffft Jun 15 12:43:22 there's a 250MB file and a .layout file Jun 15 12:44:04 the .layout may be used to create the empty partitions. but there's no info on how/what to copy from the 250MB and how/where to put it in the EMMC Jun 15 12:44:09 *250MB file Jun 15 12:44:16 sfdisk tgz? Jun 15 12:45:40 sure, what else? Jun 15 12:45:49 there's a 250MB image mmc_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA that has a msdos header Jun 15 12:45:59 it has? omg Jun 15 12:46:33 are you sure that hader not been created by 0xffff to provide a proper file to loopmount? Jun 15 12:46:39 header even Jun 15 12:46:53 this *is* *not* image Jun 15 12:46:59 0xffff is a flasher, so I don't see why it would do that :S Jun 15 12:47:07 no Jun 15 12:47:46 0xffff is an interface to NOLO resp to a software in maemo rootfs to create and populate eMMC Jun 15 12:47:56 that's what I tried to explain to you above Jun 15 12:48:09 NOLO is a flasher Jun 15 12:48:55 in the way it actually writes stuff to NAND Jun 15 12:49:16 I mean it's a tool used to flash, I just told it to extract a FIASCO image... Jun 15 12:49:24 0xffff and flasher-3.5 are just frontends talking to NOLO Jun 15 12:49:46 meh Jun 15 12:49:50 so it's supposed to be a .layout and a .tgz? Jun 15 12:49:56 yes Jun 15 12:50:10 basically Jun 15 12:50:36 is there anything in the vanilla homefs? Jun 15 12:50:50 sorry? Jun 15 12:50:56 aaah Jun 15 12:51:14 someone else used that name. I mean the /home partition Jun 15 12:51:33 well, I dunno for sure if they copy $HOME content from the vanilla or they use the template that's on rootfs anyway Jun 15 12:52:48 if there isn't, can I just create a new clean ext3 partition for /home over the bootmenu usb interface for emmc (without touching the partition table) and then flash combined? Jun 15 12:53:13 there's an option "reset to factory settings" OWTTE in settings menu, and it basically copies a template/skeletton from NAND rootfs to $HOME Jun 15 12:54:00 yeah, but my /home is corrupted. like, the entire partition. CSSU-T having a 2008 fsck didn't help :P Jun 15 12:54:35 hmmm Jun 15 12:54:42 so what you're planning to do? Jun 15 12:54:59 mount it on pc then, and use recent fsck? Jun 15 12:55:46 via flasher-3.5 you can't do anything special, you just can start the software tools on your rootfs that do the eMMC partitioning and populating for you Jun 15 12:56:14 Sicelo: that's a good alternative, when the system has a means to mount /home via USB Jun 15 12:56:39 bootmenu lets me access the raw emmc over USB Jun 15 12:56:45 yes Jun 15 12:57:13 this way many users succeeded in running PC fsck against their /home Jun 15 12:57:55 I already dd the home partition and loop-mounted a copy of the copy (paranoid now) - some of the files are still there, some of the files are in lost+found Jun 15 12:58:15 :nod: Jun 15 12:58:22 SOL then Jun 15 12:58:27 reflash Jun 15 12:58:53 (not sure if it's my PC fsck that did that or the broken maemo one. I have to mount the original copy again as read-only to find out) Jun 15 12:59:01 then after restoring a working system incl /home, you can restore the existing files from your PC to N900 Jun 15 12:59:37 DocScrutinizer05: but I don't want to copy the 20GB of everything I have in MyDocs (potentially more than one time)... Jun 15 13:00:04 or rather, you should reflash and then restore from your BM backup you for sure must have since you're on CSU aiui Jun 15 13:00:05 so I want to touch only the /home partition instead of flashing the entire vanilla Jun 15 13:00:06 ;-) Jun 15 13:00:32 aaaah Jun 15 13:00:41 well, that's rather tricky Jun 15 13:00:42 the only thing I can restore is the config files that didn't end up in lost+found Jun 15 13:01:04 DocScrutinizer05: if I had another N900, I would just flash vanilla on that and dd the entire partition from there Jun 15 13:01:30 I just need to know what happens to /home when I flash vanilla, and it's not tricky anymore Jun 15 13:01:40 mount the whole thing via USB, check partitioning if it's still OK, then mkfs.ext3 on USB-mounted /home partition and try "reset to factory" Jun 15 13:03:04 as mentioned above I'm not entirely sure what happens to /home on flashing VANILLA, my suspicion would be they copy the skeletton from /etc/$whatever over to /home and /home/user Jun 15 13:03:37 but the problem is you lost /home/opt so you need to flash COMBINED anyway Jun 15 13:03:42 I heard that happens when you first boot Jun 15 13:03:52 setting up /home and everything Jun 15 13:03:59 partially Jun 15 13:04:07 quite psiible Jun 15 13:04:08 https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/mkii so I see how that goes Jun 15 13:05:20 actually I heard every boot should recreate the needed structure in /home and /home/user/* when it got deleted Jun 15 13:05:32 I guess it won't pan out though Jun 15 13:06:21 what's absolutely clear is that optification creates /home/opt on first boot after flashing COMBINED aka rootfs Jun 15 13:06:42 but that doesn't help you either Jun 15 13:07:33 OTOH when /home got corrupted, odds are /home/user/MyDocs vfat partition got corrupted as well Jun 15 13:08:08 so you need to create a backup of whatever you still can get from your mass storage vfat partition, anyway Jun 15 13:10:34 I wanted to say, I'll backup anything in MyDocs that I don't already have a copy of somewhere else Jun 15 13:14:35 but I updated CSSU-T (I know, I know, I'm a dumbass for disregarding the "you should backup" message), it rebooted as usual. then a few hours later, when I was using maybe too much RAM and CPU, it restarted itself, and then the 2008 fsck came into action and decided (perhaps wrongfully) that a lot of the fs was corrupted, and ended up with a very large log mentioning almost all inodes in there Jun 15 13:15:13 I had mounted MyDocs a few times on my laptop since then, I doubt it has any problems (yet) Jun 15 13:16:25 DocScrutinizer05: 0xffff isn't doing anything funny there: https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/src/fiasco.c#L490 Jun 15 13:16:37 apparently the .layout file is associated with the main image Jun 15 13:17:44 DocScrutinizer05: in the msdos header: Nokia N900 FAT32 ..¾w|¬"Àt.V´.»..Í.^ëð2äÍ.Í.ëþThis is not a boot disk. Remove, and press a key to reboot Jun 15 13:19:20 there's HTML in that image, lol Jun 15 13:20:30 ../User_Guide_Russian_index.html Jun 15 13:21:52 and I found a FAT table (redundant I know) gotta love 8.3 Jun 15 13:22:42 eddyb: fsck is a bad mistake, yeah Jun 15 13:23:01 ancient dosfsck on flash Jun 15 13:23:38 DocScrutinizer05: this image looks like it's only for MyDocs Jun 15 13:25:07 DocScrutinizer05: https://gist.github.com/eddyb/d0d212e37b64952c87d1 no_create makes me think the 250MB image contains the initial MyDocs FAT32 partition Jun 15 13:25:24 * Win7Mac is open for improvements on the elections-banner, please share your ideas: http://i.imgur.com/Nw5HKVA.png Jun 15 13:25:59 Win7Mac: use less artifacts :P Jun 15 13:26:18 and antialiasing is your friend Jun 15 13:31:56 backup MyDocs, format the /home partition with ext3, flash combined. nothing can go wrong, right? Jun 15 13:32:08 eddyb, not sure what you mean, it doesn't render correct on your side? Jun 15 13:32:27 Win7Mac: please update http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 Jun 15 13:32:51 I will Jun 15 13:49:30 eddyb: the artifacts are courtesy of imgur compression Jun 15 13:50:57 but it's a .png :/ Jun 15 13:51:06 it's not big enough for imgur to compress it Jun 15 13:52:00 aw:< Jun 15 13:55:26 Win7Mac: images don Jun 15 13:55:38 argh Jun 15 13:59:03 take 2: Jun 15 13:59:33 I don't understand Jun 15 13:59:42 Win7Mac: images don't really "render", for what you think happens to happen, libpng would need to be quite broken Jun 15 14:00:07 the image you made has annoyances Jun 15 14:10:13 what about this?: http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif Jun 15 14:11:23 it has the exact same problems, now with added flashing Jun 15 14:11:30 flashing image. lol Jun 15 14:13:01 Win7Mac: Hildon Foundation is fuzzy, as if it was upscaled. seeks is fuzzy (excessive anti-aliasing or JPEG artifacts) and the straight lines used on the left are too crispy (no anti-aliasing) Jun 15 14:13:23 the overall layout is good, but I tend to be picky with the details Jun 15 14:14:46 can't find aliasing in Photoshop Jun 15 14:15:05 ...or anti-aliasing Jun 15 14:19:24 Win7Mac: the flashing is awesome Jun 15 14:20:39 hey guys, how to specify output filename for curl? Jun 15 14:22:07 -o? Jun 15 14:22:46 DocScrutinizer05: ^^ Jun 15 14:23:13 yep, thanks Jun 15 14:24:22 dafaq Jun 15 14:24:38 curl -LJO http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif -o BoDelection_banner.png Jun 15 14:24:39 % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Jun 15 14:24:41 Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed Jun 15 14:24:42 100 8931 100 8931 0 0 72954 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 242k Jun 15 14:24:44 curl: Saved to filename 'OKPpGeB.gif' Jun 15 14:24:57 wtf Jun 15 14:25:01 maybe the "O" should get nuked? Jun 15 14:25:07 maybe -o needs to be specified first? Jun 15 14:25:21 probabaly -O Jun 15 14:25:37 -O, --remote-name Write output to a file named as the remote file Jun 15 14:26:24 *sigh* now it refuses since destination file exists Jun 15 14:27:07 why are you saving the .gif as a .png? Jun 15 14:27:14 recipe for fubar Jun 15 14:28:45 since I didn't notice Jun 15 14:29:08 Win7Mac: where's the .png? Jun 15 14:29:25 eddyb: thanks for noticing it Jun 15 14:30:15 N900 is still the only mobile device I've ever used that I felt comfortable editing wikis on. Jun 15 14:30:59 hehe Jun 15 14:32:11 wait for phoeNIX Jun 15 14:32:45 phoeN-IX00 ? Jun 15 14:33:02 edited the FiFo-logo in the gif: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif Jun 15 14:33:16 *HiFo Jun 15 14:33:25 sorry I've been told I may not use gif Jun 15 14:33:34 then no animation Jun 15 14:33:40 ouch Jun 15 14:33:58 damn Jun 15 14:34:29 *sigh* I guess I have to edit raw HTML now Jun 15 14:35:48 at least I'm not aware of animation in other formats then gif Jun 15 14:36:38 APNG Jun 15 14:36:48 and maybe WebP Jun 15 14:37:15 it's just two frames, very easy to do with JS or CSS3 animations Jun 15 14:37:19 seems after editing href= in HTML to *.gif it works Jun 15 14:37:26 http://maemo.org Jun 15 14:37:48 seen it, nice! Jun 15 14:39:07 now I need a shower - I touched raw HTML and even edited it Jun 15 14:39:26 LOL Jun 15 14:40:19 I can't seem to get animated png's out of Photoshop CS6 Jun 15 14:40:34 no WebP either Jun 15 14:43:55 n900/MyDocs.bkp> cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/!(KDE|kde-install-temp|Dicto|Music) . Jun 15 14:44:18 that took a while, without the ~20GB used by .documents+Music Jun 15 14:45:33 chem|st, can you place it in tmo?: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif Jun 15 14:53:57 echo /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents) | grep documents # gives me nothing. also ld -d with the same argument also shows no .documents Jun 15 14:54:12 but if I run cp -a, it copies docu..... aaaah Jun 15 14:54:31 that pattern includes . and .., heh Jun 15 14:55:29 so I end up with cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents||.) . # lol Jun 15 15:04:38 var/run/media/* ?? that kinda sounds odd. Which distro/desktop is doing such stuff? Jun 15 15:05:12 it was /media some time ago Jun 15 15:05:25 which sounds better to me Jun 15 15:05:34 I think it's a backend for kio in kde4 that decides which directory to use Jun 15 15:06:07 must be a (freedesktop.org||poettering)ism then Jun 15 15:06:33 ugh kde4 / kio Jun 15 15:06:34 yeah Jun 15 15:06:41 terrible stuff Jun 15 15:06:51 there's probably a setting for it somewhere, but I cba to change it Jun 15 15:06:58 I have to killall kio* every now and then Jun 15 15:07:02 uhm, why? Jun 15 15:07:15 why would you intentionally kill kio workers? Jun 15 15:07:29 it's like unloading kernel fs drivers :| Jun 15 15:08:09 e.g because pastebin applet freezes this k* process that's doing everything under KDE4 Jun 15 15:08:28 must be a broken pastebin applet Jun 15 15:08:42 also always several kio-http tend to linger on forever Jun 15 15:08:43 or too old of a kde4 version Jun 15 15:09:01 * Win7Mac updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 . But I can't edit the References Jun 15 15:09:14 DocScrutinizer05: sounds like very large timeouts for http requests Jun 15 15:09:47 well, they are larger than usual, but not THAT large Jun 15 15:10:16 PLASMA Jun 15 15:10:25 been the word I refused to recall Jun 15 15:10:36 plasma-desktop Jun 15 15:10:36 at least I think it been Jun 15 15:10:50 yeah, dat shite Jun 15 15:11:05 luckily it doesn't freeze alt-tab Jun 15 15:11:15 alt+tab is handled by kwin4 Jun 15 15:11:29 so I still can access my always-open system monitor Jun 15 15:11:44 to kill all kio-file Jun 15 15:11:59 and that magically recovers the pastebin applet Jun 15 15:12:03 kio-file shouldn't ever cause a problem Jun 15 15:12:05 and thus plasma Jun 15 15:12:47 DocScrutinizer05: plasma-desktop -v Jun 15 15:12:52 shouldn't yeah, you're absolutely right it *should not* Jun 15 15:13:00 what versions does it show? Jun 15 15:13:37 Qt: 4.8.1 Jun 15 15:13:39 KDE Development Platform: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" Jun 15 15:13:40 Plasma Desktop Shell: 0.4 Jun 15 15:14:10 hmm, that's just two versions behind, never had problems back then Jun 15 15:14:15 where did you get the pastebin applet? Jun 15 15:14:39 err, from that friggin "menu" to pick applets? Jun 15 15:14:57 "add widgets" Jun 15 15:15:03 "KWin and Path to Wayland—Intial experimental support for Wayland was added to KWin. KWin also got many OpenGL improvements including support being added for creating an OpenGL 3.1 core context and robustness from using the new functionality provided by the GL_ARB_robustness extension." Jun 15 15:15:06 ^^cool Jun 15 15:15:11 DocScrutinizer05: ok, let me check it out Jun 15 15:15:47 nope, I don't have it Jun 15 15:15:53 it only occasionally locks up, particularly when pastebining screenshots from clipboard Jun 15 15:16:11 how can you pastebin a screenshot? Jun 15 15:16:25 I ctrl+v on imgur.com Jun 15 15:16:44 or rather, probably when far end refuses paste and doesn't answer in the way thispastebin thingie expects Jun 15 15:17:04 that was my first thought, bad logic in the applet Jun 15 15:17:31 I take a screenshot with the screenshot tool, select "copy" and then "paste" in pastebin widget Jun 15 15:18:17 bad logic in kplasma to let a widget freeze the whole session Jun 15 15:18:43 it's not kplasma :P Jun 15 15:18:58 that's as nasty and braindamaged as in Hildon desktop, just that on maemo I understand *why* they implemented it that way Jun 15 15:19:27 does anything other than plasma (the other applets) freeze? Jun 15 15:19:49 actually plasma-desktop, yeah Jun 15 15:20:10 that's what I need to restart via alt-F2 when it segfaulted once more Jun 15 15:20:31 what distro are you even on? Jun 15 15:20:41 openSuse Jun 15 15:20:52 and why don't you have 4.10? Jun 15 15:21:07 I'm also on suse and I can't find any pastebin applet Jun 15 15:21:13 *shrug* Jun 15 15:21:31 DocScrutinizer05: sudo zypper se -s pastebin Jun 15 15:21:36 widget, not apllet Jun 15 15:23:02 | perl-WWW-Pastebin-PastebinCom-Create | Paket | 0.003-2.1.1 | x86_64 | openSUSE-12.2-1.6 Jun 15 15:23:47 last release is 12.3 btw. and I found the pastebin thing, damn translations Jun 15 15:24:31 DocScrutinizer05: in the settings for the pastebin thing, which servers does it use? Jun 15 15:25:01 privatepaste and wstaw.org Jun 15 15:25:47 does it hang for text, images or both? Jun 15 15:26:18 usually for images, but I think I have seen it hanging for text as well Jun 15 15:26:29 try change it to imgur for images Jun 15 15:26:35 meh Jun 15 15:26:45 (as a temporary fix) Jun 15 15:26:45 I kinda hate imgur Jun 15 15:26:51 lol, why? Jun 15 15:27:04 dunno, wrong color maybe Jun 15 15:27:20 too many cookies? Jun 15 15:27:24 nfc Jun 15 15:29:11 you should update anyway Jun 15 15:29:38 I probably got better things to do than to update every 3 months Jun 15 15:29:44 (start yast, edit all repos urls to use 12.3 instead of 12.2, then run sudo zypper dup) Jun 15 15:29:57 DocScrutinizer05: 3? it's almost an year :P Jun 15 15:30:35 it takes like 5 minutes, then you just have to let it do its job Jun 15 15:31:10 too bad, then it's almost a year I feel pissed about kmail7akonadi crap now, and fsckd up update by downgrading to a supposedly pre-akonadi kdepim version which turned out still isn't akonadi free Jun 15 15:32:01 nuked my complete mail settings 3 times this year already Jun 15 15:32:15 lol, you hate akonadi so much Jun 15 15:32:50 yes, it's such a stinking POS Jun 15 15:32:57 unbearable Jun 15 15:33:00 the worst that happened to me was shutting down in the middle of a distro upgrade, all I had to do is run sudo zypper dup from the console Jun 15 15:33:43 how can I edit the References here?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 Jun 15 15:33:47 "Akonadi provides unique desktop-wide object identification and retrieval.[4] It functions as an extensible data storage for all PIM applications. In KDE 3 each PIM application had different data storage and handling methods, which led to several implementations of essentially the same features. Besides data storage, Akonadi has several other components including search, and a library (cache) for easy access and notification of data changes." Jun 15 15:33:53 I don't see how you can downgrade from that :P Jun 15 15:34:02 oooh and kio-pop3, kio-imap \o/ :-S Jun 15 15:34:28 yeah F U kde4 Jun 15 15:35:09 what's wrong with anything you said :P? Jun 15 15:35:37 let me give you a simple example: every now and then my kmail froze at random on writing new mails Jun 15 15:36:02 first of all, the reason kio has workers is to prevent such things Jun 15 15:36:12 it turned out it been akonadi which in background tried to find the contacts or whatever to any mailaddr I wrote Jun 15 15:36:17 I can use kwrite while it's saving the file via sftp Jun 15 15:36:36 DocScrutinizer05: do you have nepomuk enabled? Jun 15 15:36:47 the search index thingie Jun 15 15:36:52 and it froze since the resource been gone, probably due to sth fekkering mysql Jun 15 15:37:54 oh, that's cool, it can index source code. then again, I have grep and I don't care about speed Jun 15 15:38:03 anyway I learned I only need to restart akonadi (once I found out how to actually DO that), but now I have a console that's basically infested since ever since akonadiserver restart that console sees lots of bogus random diagnostic output Jun 15 15:38:21 2> /dev/null or something Jun 15 15:38:31 or use alt+f2 to do it Jun 15 15:38:39 dude, the command returned Jun 15 15:38:49 yeah Jun 15 15:39:03 stdio is inherited Jun 15 15:39:15 fuck akonadi Jun 15 15:40:07 when I have a mail client then I want my mail to get handled inside the client, not by some cruft in daemonized mode in background Jun 15 15:40:31 kmail1 been awesome Jun 15 15:40:36 akonadi just handles contacts, doesn't it? Jun 15 15:40:36 kmail2 is a PITA Jun 15 15:41:09 maybe you should just update, with all those weirdly specific problems Jun 15 15:42:33 the phone sure takes its sweet time to charge after that backup Jun 15 15:42:41 no, it obviously also does extensive checking of text you write to editor of a new mail, it also does indexing of all avalable mails (which been a few 100k of them on my old system, which made akonadi/kmail works for THREE days on importing them into kmail2, only to fiish with ZILCH mails imported) Jun 15 15:43:11 nepomuk does mail indexing Jun 15 15:43:45 meh an akonadi frntend Jun 15 15:43:56 I generally have it disabled, I have too much crap around and I don't care about searching Jun 15 15:44:06 same here Jun 15 15:44:26 I *DO NOT WANT* akonadi, but you can't get rid of it Jun 15 15:44:56 it's like KDE4's fsckng glibc Jun 15 15:46:57 no, that would be Qt (and it's meta compiler, I guess) Jun 15 15:47:21 I meant for the ubiquity Jun 15 15:47:38 you simply can't get KDE4 without akonadi Jun 15 15:48:03 since everything is based or at least linked against it Jun 15 15:48:04 you can, but you can't use things like contacts without it Jun 15 15:48:26 DocScrutinizer05: if I disable the LED flashing during charging in maemo, does it apply when I charge without booting up? Jun 15 15:48:26 rrrright Jun 15 15:48:40 yes Jun 15 15:49:05 if I rm akonadi, these are going to be removed: akonadi kaddressbook kdepim4 kmail kontact korganizer Jun 15 15:49:31 "without booting up" means "booting to ACT_DEAD" aka initlevel_$dunnowhat Jun 15 15:49:47 lol Jun 15 15:50:00 I hate weird stuff like that Jun 15 15:50:08 and the whole 7 levels of bootloaders Jun 15 15:50:10 you basically can't avoid booting when charging Jun 15 15:50:32 it's okay, I'll wait for it to finish charging, again Jun 15 15:50:47 eddyb: exactly Jun 15 15:50:54 (remove akonadi) Jun 15 15:50:59 which is what I did Jun 15 15:51:02 libakonadi4 does seem to be used by virtually everything, but I think it's just the client Jun 15 15:51:17 then I installed an older supposedly akonadi-free version of kdepim Jun 15 15:51:28 and since then of course no more updates Jun 15 15:52:08 I think you hate akonadi for related bugs Jun 15 15:52:27 no, basicaly I hate it for the concept Jun 15 15:52:54 but also for using mysql Jun 15 15:52:58 so you prefer the code in akonadi to be duplicated in kaddressbook kmail kontact korganizer? Jun 15 15:53:07 and for bringing my system down on its knees Jun 15 15:53:17 yes Jun 15 15:53:43 DocScrutinizer05: you can use MySQL, SQLite or PostgreSQL Jun 15 15:54:00 in kde3 kpim1 those 4 apps were nicely integrated and had no need for friggin akonadi Jun 15 15:54:47 and it doesn't make a difference to me which friggin sql-db my mailer needs to run, I expect it to work without *any* such cruft Jun 15 15:55:20 then how do you want it to save contacts, mails, and whatnot? Jun 15 15:55:39 in vcards, like it's been done since ages? Jun 15 15:55:55 and in maildirs, for the mails Jun 15 15:55:59 oh. I think akonadi automatically imports vcards and maildirs Jun 15 15:56:14 fsckoff akonadi, I don't need you Jun 15 15:56:31 it's really just a convenience thing, for some reason it's broken for you :/ Jun 15 15:56:54 google for it, it's broken for 40% of this globe Jun 15 15:57:09 I couldn't find anything newer than kde4.5 Jun 15 16:01:55 akonadi shit had its first chance end of last year, and 2nd chance in january (iirc), it made me lose all my mails 2 times, all my some60 filter rules, and kicked me out of business for days or even weeks, when I was absolutely depending on my mail archive to manage council and maemo.org infra migration Jun 15 16:02:17 how the heck did you manage that? Jun 15 16:02:21 no go get lost and die in a corner where nobody notices! Jun 15 16:02:44 I had this laptop up for ~36h, and mysqld (the one used by akonadi) has 38 seconds of runtime and only 20MB used Jun 15 16:03:22 well, maybe you don't have a mail archive with 300+ k of mails Jun 15 16:03:35 I mean mails, not bytes Jun 15 16:04:36 anyway... it charged. I think I'll use yast's fs tool to format the home partition Jun 15 16:04:44 and no, this doesn't include the spam folder Jun 15 16:10:29 I hope default format settings work for N900 Jun 15 16:11:35 eddyb: I tried to import my maildir into kdepim/kmail2, it was stupid enough to spamcheck (I guess) each imported mail which prought it down to a rate of 2..8 mails/s import speed. Go figue how I felt watching this with the knowledge that there are 300,000 mails to go Jun 15 16:12:02 lol Jun 15 16:12:11 stop it, clean up, do it again with better settings Jun 15 16:12:12 s/pro/bro/ Jun 15 16:12:13 DocScrutinizer05 meant: eddyb: I tried to import my maildir into kdepim/kmail2, it was stupid enough to spamcheck (I guess) each imported mail which brought it down to a rate of 2..8 mails/s import speed. Go figue how I felt watching this with the knowledge that there are 300,00... Jun 15 16:13:22 better settings? Jun 15 16:14:03 you said you enabled spamcheck for emails not in your original spam box Jun 15 16:14:15 no, I didn't enable anything Jun 15 16:14:25 ah, it not I Jun 15 16:14:29 there's nothing you could en/dis-able during import Jun 15 16:14:48 there's no way mysql can be that slow Jun 15 16:15:27 the deed is done, time to flash combined Jun 15 16:15:35 :-) Jun 15 16:24:53 Win7Mac: done Jun 15 16:25:35 chem|st: \o/ Jun 15 16:25:39 Aw... great! Jun 15 16:26:29 where is it? tmo default theme right side? Jun 15 16:28:13 the voting site it leads to says "Starting 2013-06-20 23:59:59 UTC" - wrong, it's 2013-06-21 Jun 15 16:28:31 DocS, yep Jun 15 16:31:25