**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 24 02:59:58 2013 Jun 24 03:05:07 hey does anyone know of bicycle apps Jun 24 03:05:15 or literally any bicycle app? Jun 24 03:14:40 ▶ Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb Jun 24 04:21:30 ~+uptime Jun 24 04:21:30 - Uptime for apt - Jun 24 04:21:31 Now: 8h 30m 28s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Jun 24 04:21:31 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Jun 24 04:21:32 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Jun 24 04:21:32 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Jun 24 07:32:59 ~tm0 Jun 24 07:33:00 tm0 is probably trolls, mooses and orangutans Jun 24 07:39:59 vi__: ?? Jun 24 08:37:38 DocScrutinizer05: ?? Jun 24 08:37:53 My n900 came back from the brink! Jun 24 08:37:54 !#@@?! Jun 24 08:38:05 The CMT is not fried at all. Jun 24 08:38:15 and that's related to tm0 how? Jun 24 08:38:17 Would you believe a broken sim card? Jun 24 08:38:24 yes Jun 24 08:38:28 sure Jun 24 08:38:34 seen several times Jun 24 08:38:44 Well I have never seen one. Jun 24 08:39:13 I seen cmt go X-[ for just a fsckdup entry in SMS Jun 24 08:39:25 the card contacts were worn through. Jun 24 08:39:32 Which I found surprising. Jun 24 08:39:39 modem goes down and doesn't come back before you remove battery Jun 24 08:39:43 CMT cannot be that bad surely? Jun 24 08:39:52 aah. non permanent. Jun 24 08:40:29 vi__: SIM cards… age? Jun 24 08:40:29 or was it a wrecked contact entry? can't recall Jun 24 08:41:05 anyway deleting all data from the SIM in another phone resurrected everything Jun 24 08:42:43 I also can't recall if that's been BB5 or calypso modem Jun 24 08:43:23 given the bizarre nature of the "defect" I'd bet on calyso though Jun 24 08:44:10 but honestly borked SIM doesn't surprise me Jun 24 08:44:56 it's rather the first thing I rule out when any cell connectivity issue Jun 24 08:45:39 rikanee: Obviously. But it is surprising to see worn out contacts on a part that is never moved. Jun 24 08:45:55 and it doesn't help to test the suspicious SIM in another phone, since that other phone might have different VDD, clock, driver strength, whatnot else, for that SIM Jun 24 08:46:17 vi__: mmm. Might motivate me to finally ask my carrier to give me a new SIM. Jun 24 08:46:44 It's probably 6 years old by now. Jun 24 08:47:40 if you got a type-1 SIM still, you might consider cloning it before you nuke it by asking your carrier for a replacement (which would place the old SIM on the "obsolete" list) Jun 24 08:48:21 6 year old might almost give you a lucky type1 card ;-) Jun 24 08:59:03 type1? Jun 24 08:59:07 Please explain doc. Jun 24 09:51:40 aw, i had to replace my 1998 sim card because i needed the usim feature for it to work in .jp Jun 24 10:43:49 DocScrutinizer05: why is cloning a card good? Jun 24 10:45:19 becaue then you own it, and can do nifty things with it, even to the point of emulating it on a uC Jun 24 10:45:53 or e.g cram 10 virtual SIM onto one smart-SIM Jun 24 10:46:10 neat Jun 24 10:46:28 can we trick the n900's cmt and emulate a sim? Jun 24 10:46:38 Hmmm...how can you find info about your SIM card? Jun 24 10:46:45 i.e. how old it is? Jun 24 10:46:59 or save SIM swapping ebtween several devices - you then however should make damn sure you switch off all but one active device with 'same' SIM Jun 24 10:47:05 my sim is still from my 5510 Jun 24 10:47:11 even tho i hand to mangle it for the n9 Jun 24 10:47:14 had* Jun 24 10:47:23 I guess it's operator dependent, though. Jun 24 10:47:32 DocScrutinizer05: what happens, otherwise? Jun 24 10:47:36 Veggen: only by a printing at edge of SIM Jun 24 10:47:38 except that it doesn't work Jun 24 10:47:48 kerio: otherwise your carrier will frown Jun 24 10:48:08 my carrier got angry last month Jun 24 10:48:11 what did you do? Jun 24 10:48:14 entire household was running off of N900 3G Jun 24 10:48:20 haha Jun 24 10:48:22 after 9gb, Vodafone started to write me letters Jun 24 10:48:45 hah, you have true flat? Jun 24 10:49:00 DocScrutinizer05: clearly not Jun 24 10:49:01 they have a fair use policy which comes down to 10 times what the average person uses Jun 24 10:49:03 hardly ever seen some Jun 24 10:49:07 which for vodafone comes to to 10x 80mb Jun 24 10:49:09 a month Jun 24 10:49:16 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Jun 24 10:49:21 even tho i have 1gb a month Jun 24 10:49:21 LOL Jun 24 10:49:25 i asked them about the math Jun 24 10:49:28 they couldnt explain Jun 24 10:49:39 though, our "unlimited" is only 5GB Jun 24 10:49:41 * kerio checks his network stats Jun 24 10:49:48 well, i dont mind fair use policies Jun 24 10:49:57 they are good against the torrent whoring lamers that got their first PC last year Jun 24 10:50:07 and now want to download the internet Jun 24 10:50:07 what happens if 2 devices witht he same imei appear on a network? Jun 24 10:50:21 vi__: tears and sadness Jun 24 10:50:31 DocScrutinizer05: i have unlimited tho, i just pay for 1gb a month Jun 24 10:50:34 er dont have* Jun 24 10:50:38 Lava_Croft: evidently such "fair use" is BS Jun 24 10:50:39 and i dont think true unlimited exists Jun 24 10:50:52 DocScrutinizer05: here its a remainder from early days of broadband Jun 24 10:51:00 at least at my proper ISP Jun 24 10:51:05 nowadays they just use it wrong Jun 24 10:51:11 like an unwritten data cap Jun 24 10:51:30 here it's written in the fineprint Jun 24 10:51:54 after expiring your "flat" volume, you get throttled to GPRS or worse Jun 24 10:52:11 well, some 'new' (probably just owned by a big telco) telco started that came with 'true' unlimited for 40euros a month Jun 24 10:52:24 im always inclined to test the limits of their 'unlimited' Jun 24 10:52:25 automatically, and nobody writing letters to you Jun 24 10:52:35 they throttle here too Jun 24 10:52:39 after a letter Jun 24 10:52:47 the worst i've seen is "UNLIMITED*" Jun 24 10:52:49 but they first contact you, which is friendly enough Jun 24 10:52:49 *time Jun 24 10:52:54 kerio: its like Unlimited Detail engine Jun 24 10:53:02 its just technically impossible Jun 24 10:53:42 hahahahahah DocScrutinizer05 Jun 24 10:53:43 Lava_Croft: unlimited means that i should be able to connect at the beginning of the billing period, download and upload at full bandwidth until the end of the billing period, and only pay what i'm supposed to pay Jun 24 10:53:45 Nokia NL replied to me Jun 24 10:53:50 kerio: when they never completely stop delivering bits to you, they probably may call it unlimited anyway Jun 24 10:53:51 they tell me i have to re-buy Billboard Jun 24 10:53:54 because i downloaded it 10 times Jun 24 10:54:01 what's Billboard? Jun 24 10:54:53 kerio: just that you never get any warranted bandwidth on cellular Jun 24 10:55:02 oh of course Jun 24 10:55:16 but one thing is not guaranteeing bandwidth, another is to throttle Jun 24 10:55:24 kerio: low-power screen app for n9 Jun 24 10:55:29 by thomas perl Jun 24 10:55:36 damn handy app Jun 24 10:56:13 why is it funny? Jun 24 10:56:31 it's "funny" >:-( Jun 24 10:56:45 also Jun 24 10:56:49 NokiaNL calls me Ken Jun 24 10:56:54 even tho facebook clearly states im Kai Jun 24 10:56:54 another 2fair use" bullshit Jun 24 10:57:01 and not the husband of Barbiue Jun 24 10:57:20 this is exactly the reply from Nokia i wanted Jun 24 10:57:35 i wonder if they are silly enough to keep this up until court Jun 24 10:57:37 i doubt it Jun 24 10:57:47 \o7 Jun 24 10:57:53 \o/ even Jun 24 10:58:03 lawyer still have nokia infos from the n900 problem Jun 24 10:58:07 nearly took em to court over that Jun 24 10:58:11 don't forget to include refund for cherry-SMS Jun 24 10:58:14 haha Jun 24 10:58:18 i dont get that sms Jun 24 10:58:31 flash without sim, remove cherry Jun 24 10:58:31 no, you send it Jun 24 10:58:39 and just to be sure, i touch the file too Jun 24 10:58:54 :-) Jun 24 11:30:34 hahahaha Jun 24 11:30:37 gg Nokia FB page Jun 24 11:30:49 some guy with a Windows Phone Nokia tries to reset to factory defaults, but its taking over 12h Jun 24 11:30:55 Nokia replies that this process can take over 24h Jun 24 11:31:04 i dont know what the hell that process is doing, but wow Jun 24 11:31:47 it cannot take taht long Jun 24 11:31:56 thats what Nokia reps reply to the guy Jun 24 11:32:32 you can connect the device to your PC and use the nokia pc suite Jun 24 11:32:48 Nokia PC Suite is deprecated software Jun 24 11:32:49 there you have the option to reset the phone Jun 24 11:35:46 Hi. I need some help with my N900 and Flashplugin. I used to be able to play youtube videos and now not anymore... Jun 24 15:45:34 is N9 true succesor to N900. ? Jun 24 15:46:28 or does any body know whether there is a chance to release 950 to public. or any chance to release a new model that can be considerd as succesor to n900 Jun 24 15:47:36 quit_: there isn't a successor to N900. Jun 24 15:48:41 my touch become bad, I was planning to replace it, so it was just a thought passing in through my mind. Jun 24 15:49:45 but I have seen N9 compared to 900 in many places. I know only a little about N9, if you can run maemo just as natively on n9. then? Jun 24 15:50:16 *little = less Jun 24 15:57:25 forget about maemo5 on n9 Jun 24 15:57:41 the n9 is not a mobile computer like the n900, its a smartphone running a smartphone-ified version of maemo Jun 24 15:58:10 Is there any good powerful fone that can run maemo just like in N900.? Jun 24 15:58:11 mostly it runs maemo too, but not quite the same maemo:X Jun 24 15:58:26 no clue, probably not Jun 24 15:59:32 n900 is the last of a kind Jun 24 16:00:31 kids laugh about true pocket computers nowadays. All they want is wazzup and facebook on their leet phone Jun 24 16:00:49 well, who knows about jolla Jun 24 16:00:58 or some other company in the future Jun 24 16:01:21 jolla sailfish is way too N9-HARMish Jun 24 16:01:28 wazzup is really the reason you need a 1920x1080 screen too Jun 24 16:01:42 DocS, how do you know already? Jun 24 16:01:54 have you seen the videos Jun 24 16:01:57 we seen plenty of presentations Jun 24 16:02:01 so far it looks like a more developed harmattan Jun 24 16:02:07 which isnt bad per se, but its not maemo5 Jun 24 16:02:07 yep Jun 24 16:02:20 but, stuff might/can change Jun 24 16:02:29 who knows a keyboard jolla gets a slighty different ui Jun 24 16:02:31 that's the question Jun 24 16:02:36 we just dont know:) Jun 24 16:02:46 but tbh, i can live with how it looks like now too Jun 24 16:02:55 just give me hw keyb and proper landscape support Jun 24 16:02:58 * DocScrutinizer05 not Jun 24 16:03:04 how it looks does not tell how it works... Jun 24 16:03:05 im pragmatic Jun 24 16:04:12 I am being waiting long for a true successor. looks like my wait will never end. Jun 24 16:04:24 but it's unlikely that itzs as open as N900, agreed Jun 24 16:05:15 ill take anything thats kind of like n900 Jun 24 16:05:17 but not so goddamn slow Jun 24 16:05:34 I still remember the first time I read ' enable RD mode to brake your device' Jun 24 16:06:02 Lava_Croft: delete your events.db and you'll be amazed ;-P Jun 24 16:06:33 break I guess Jun 24 16:06:54 ^^ lol english Jun 24 16:07:06 and I honestly always thought that's pure sarcasm Jun 24 16:07:54 until I learned that R&D mode can actually get enabled vie flasher and it actually enables root access Jun 24 16:08:30 rootsh is simpler anyway Jun 24 16:08:33 bbl Jun 24 16:09:08 The #maemo-meeting will be saturday what time? Jun 24 16:09:17 *next Jun 24 16:18:04 chem|st: ^^^ ? Jun 24 16:21:19 oh, it's not set yet? - then probably just post date + time in #maemo-meeting channel any time so ppl can find it in log Jun 24 16:21:41 ...when you got it set Jun 24 17:08:16 good nite Jun 24 17:08:46 DocScrutinizer05: its still fairly fresh:) Jun 24 17:53:12 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 24 19:20:57 Hi to everyone. I need help with a boot loop problem. Detail here: http://pastebin.com/edA6VEM6 Jun 24 19:27:46 is there a simple-ish method of debugging the imap conversation modest has with a server? it's refusing to show gmail emails from a certain email from the 8th of this month on and I can't figure out why so far (tried a different imap client on my desktop and that didn't have problems) Jun 24 19:28:27 update maemo.. it's fixed Jun 24 19:29:03 aah Jun 24 19:29:54 there's an update of the complete OS image? Jun 24 19:32:16 OTA update. Jun 24 19:33:28 ota? Jun 24 19:33:35 over-the-air Jun 24 19:34:22 it is not in a image.. it's just a fix which updates the affected packages Jun 24 19:34:23 thought they all are :) Jun 24 19:34:28 hm Jun 24 19:34:45 it doesn't show pending updates... Jun 24 19:36:00 * CutMeOwnThroat checks Jun 24 19:42:38 parahumanoid: by using flasher, disable lifeguard resets Jun 24 19:42:42 hmp. KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 might explain that ... or maybe not. depends if that disrupts apt-get update or not (which it shouldn't) Jun 24 19:43:18 that way dsme won;t reset the device when some process it babysits crash Jun 24 19:43:30 oh... servers moved? Jun 24 19:43:46 freemangordon: what's dsme? Jun 24 19:44:00 ~dsme Jun 24 19:44:00 somebody said dsme was Device State Management Entity Jun 24 19:44:19 sounds sinister... Jun 24 19:45:02 parahumanoid: by disabling lifegueard resets, the device won;t get restarted Jun 24 19:45:32 parahumanoid: what OS do you use? Jun 24 19:45:38 OK, if you don't mind bearing with me, I'll start the whole thing and will inform you step by step what I do. Jun 24 19:45:44 fremantle Jun 24 19:45:50 on the PC ;) Jun 24 19:45:53 xp Jun 24 19:45:54 :P Jun 24 19:46:06 parahumanoid: good, XP here too Jun 24 19:46:36 ok, I'm in r&d now, let me exit and start over, just to make sure the sequence is right. Jun 24 19:47:36 parahumanoid: "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R" Jun 24 19:48:11 CutMeOwnThroat: they did 'move' .. but as far as your device is concerned, they didn't move ;) Jun 24 19:48:27 and yes, the cert is expired. Jun 24 19:48:29 parahumanoid: any idea what process crashes? Jun 24 19:48:48 s/what/which/ Jun 24 19:48:49 freemangordon meant: parahumanoid: any idea which process crashes? Jun 24 19:49:00 nope Jun 24 19:49:22 do you have an yellow banner with "application ... closed"? Jun 24 19:49:46 parahumanoid: however, lets do ^^^ Jun 24 19:51:14 Sicelo, yeah... is that fix in the package modest or somewhere else? says modest is already the newest version... Jun 24 19:51:56 bah.. I was kinda ignoring that it's a computer and treated it as a phone :-/ Jun 24 19:53:02 ask freemangordon :P Jun 24 19:53:14 Sicelo: hmm? Jun 24 19:53:14 No, no banner. I have a different problem though. I did this: Jun 24 19:53:17 ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-ext-wd Jun 24 19:53:24 at least in both CSSU.. it is fixed. don't know about stock Jun 24 19:53:44 parahumanoid: do "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R" Jun 24 19:53:53 and now it shows a unit with a wrench under the Nokia logo and I can't get it to be seen by the flasher. Jun 24 19:54:11 I typed what you said, but it keeps waiting for a suitable device. Jun 24 19:54:17 parahumanoid: do you know on what kernel did you have installed? Jun 24 19:54:41 Sicelo: what is fixed? Jun 24 19:54:47 modest gmail? Jun 24 19:55:22 yeah Jun 24 19:55:24 apparently Jun 24 19:56:00 ah, found the thread on talk.maemo.org... t=90399 Jun 24 19:56:50 CutMeOwnThroat: the fix is in tinymail package Jun 24 19:57:32 CutMeOwnThroat: but I recommend installing CSSU, as upgrading only that package is neither tested nor supported Jun 24 19:59:35 sorry freemangordon. had connectivity issues. but yes, that what ^^ Jun 24 20:01:16 ok, guys, i'm back. my pc bluescreened. Jun 24 20:01:28 sorry for the interruption. Jun 24 20:01:28 freemangordon, hadn't heard of it yet... as everything kept mostly working as it should, I took a break from putting time in... reading on it now Jun 24 20:01:38 parahumanoid: the wonders of windoze :D Jun 24 20:02:09 you know there's a blue-screen screensaver? you can have lots of fun with it Jun 24 20:02:29 no, it was the wonder of a laptop that's no fully assembled. when I pulled on a usb cable I managed to pull the hdd caddy. I guess it's not good for the running os. :-) Jun 24 20:02:31 lol. wow :) Jun 24 20:02:35 friend of mine installed it in 2000 or so... wasn't a week before he rebooted his machine because of it Jun 24 20:03:48 I don't recall when the last time all my computers were fully assembled was. I'm always messing with them, so the covers are off most of the time. Jun 24 20:04:00 anyhow, back to the brick. Jun 24 20:04:10 parahumanoid: what about the kernel? Jun 24 20:04:41 I don't know, whatever came standard with the 1.3 firmware. I didn't deliberately change the kernel. Jun 24 20:04:51 hmm, ok Jun 24 20:05:15 Nor do I think that it could get changed as a chain effect of anything that I did. Jun 24 20:05:19 parahumanoid: so, even after the reflash you were in bootloop? Jun 24 20:05:37 oh, no, I booted fine after a reflash. Jun 24 20:06:02 parahumanoid: oh, it got bricked after you restore from BM? Jun 24 20:06:05 I see Jun 24 20:06:08 however, when I installed backupmenu and restored from one of the latest backups it went into a loop. Jun 24 20:06:14 yep Jun 24 20:06:42 parahumanoid: so, what do you try to achieve then? Jun 24 20:06:57 I mean - just reflash and you're ok Jun 24 20:07:25 parahumanoid: why do you need to restore from a broken backup? Jun 24 20:13:08 freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact Jun 24 20:13:26 sorry for dropping out, something hanged. Jun 24 20:13:30 ^^^ tool for "browsing the contacts db" Jun 24 20:13:36 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jun 24 20:13:56 parahumanoid: see what doc posted Jun 24 20:14:18 I just missed that. Jun 24 20:14:28 DocScrutinizer05: though I doubt that will help him, as his PC OS is XP Jun 24 20:14:41 parahumanoid: 23:13 freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact Jun 24 20:14:45 nfc what's the problem Jun 24 20:14:59 python on windows? Jun 24 20:15:06 it IS possible, sure Jun 24 20:15:47 bootloop after BM restore? check your kernel version matching the modules! Jun 24 20:15:56 but I guess it will be much faster to restore the device to a working condition than to install msys/cygwin Jun 24 20:16:10 DocScrutinizer05: he is almost sure he was on stock Jun 24 20:16:15 (kernel) Jun 24 20:16:26 I am almost sure that's incorrect Jun 24 20:16:34 :nod: Jun 24 20:16:44 check kernel modules in BM tarball! Jun 24 20:16:45 if I recall right, there was a company that made a bunch of providers for windows including php, python, perl and a few more. Besides, I don't mind linux, I can get one up and running on a remote lab machine I use. Jun 24 20:17:17 parahumanoid: it is up to you ofc, but trust me, restoring your device will be much easier Jun 24 20:17:43 indeed Jun 24 20:17:59 parahumanoid: do what DocScrutinizer05 said, check your /lib/modules for the kernel version. in BM tarball Jun 24 20:18:11 just a minute. Jun 24 20:18:12 selective resoring via tar xzf Jun 24 20:18:29 cya Jun 24 20:18:31 busy Jun 24 20:18:35 DocScrutinizer05: flashin the kernel via flasher would be easier IMO Jun 24 20:19:08 depends on what he wants to achive Jun 24 20:19:19 that would be a rootfs tarball right? Jun 24 20:19:26 that is still unclear to me :) Jun 24 20:19:29 parahumanoid: yep Jun 24 20:19:33 sure, the easiest is to flash proper matching kernel prior to restoring via BM Jun 24 20:19:51 DocScrutinizer05: what about after? Jun 24 20:20:08 after? Jun 24 20:20:12 err Jun 24 20:20:16 well Jun 24 20:20:18 after restoring rootfs Jun 24 20:20:19 if you dare Jun 24 20:20:34 DocScrutinizer05: hmm? dare what? Jun 24 20:20:56 however I doubt the system will come up from BM after restoring a rootfs with conflicting kernel modules Jun 24 20:21:48 DocScrutinizer05: I don;t know how BM restore works, but if rootfs is fine and we have the correct modules in /lib/modules, flashing the matching kernel will fix it Jun 24 20:21:48 so you probably FIRST should flash the kernel that matches your BM backup tarball, only THEN restore that tarball via BM Jun 24 20:22:15 BM only accessed during boot, right? Jun 24 20:22:26 ok, in lib/modules I have two folders: "2.6.28.10-cssu3" and "2.6.28-omap1" and a file "current" with 0b size. Jun 24 20:22:27 DocScrutinizer05: no idea Jun 24 20:22:33 parahumanoid: ooh Jun 24 20:22:42 freemangordon: WUT?? Jun 24 20:22:52 parahumanoid: did you have CSSU-thumb by chance? Jun 24 20:23:06 DocScrutinizer05: still no BM here :) Jun 24 20:23:08 sounds like you never used BM Jun 24 20:23:08 * freemangordon hides Jun 24 20:23:12 yep Jun 24 20:23:29 it hooks into bootmenu Jun 24 20:23:30 I love to live on the edge :P Jun 24 20:24:16 LOL yeah, that sounds like thumb Jun 24 20:24:20 kernel Jun 24 20:24:30 who owes me that beer now? Jun 24 20:24:32 maybe. It's frankly not my unit, my friend's. He kills it once in a while because he apparently likes to try things, but I've always been able to handle it. I guess not this time. Jun 24 20:24:54 parahumanoid: get http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/k/kernel-cssu/kernel-cssu_2.6.28-10cssu3_armel.deb Jun 24 20:25:05 parahumanoid: well, you ran into the exactly right person ;-D Jun 24 20:25:07 I certainly recally thumb being mentioned somewhere. and as I don't own a n900 of my own, that would have to be connected with this unit. Jun 24 20:25:16 listen to what freemangordon tells you Jun 24 20:26:08 So before pulling the backup, I need to first installe the cssu? Jun 24 20:26:11 parahumanoid: after getting the .deb, extract it. 7-zip can handle .deb files Jun 24 20:26:48 parahumanoid: that's one way to do it, but it is way slower, so do ^^^ Jun 24 20:27:22 what I don't understand is... if it's a friend who likes to try things... why doesn't he try to fix it up himself again? Jun 24 20:27:35 [general advice] ALWAYS remember (or check in tarball) which kernel the backupmenu archive been based on. Flash SAME kernel FIRST, only *then* restore BM backup - otherwise you run into bootloop Jun 24 20:28:35 freemangordon: can't he simply *install* the thumb-kernel? Jun 24 20:28:49 parahumanoid: extract zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco from the .deb, it is in "..\data.tar.gz\data.tar\.\boot\" Jun 24 20:29:20 DocScrutinizer05: it will be slower, as he have to reflash once again, to enable repos, etc Jun 24 20:29:37 Because he is not computer-literate much. He just got his first PC, until now he was being introduced to the digital things by first tinkering with his Symbian phone (I had one with the same platform at the time), then it was the WinMo 6.1, then Maemo. He's definitely bitten off too much when he got a linux unit. Jun 24 20:29:37 UGH what? the kernel.deb includes a .fiasco?? Jun 24 20:29:45 ;) Jun 24 20:30:24 inb4 lecture Jun 24 20:30:31 * Lava_Croft chuckles Jun 24 20:30:34 parahumanoid, unsuccessful trying to fix it for half a year to a year would surely be educational, though? :D Jun 24 20:31:15 parahumanoid: then run "flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco --flash-only=kernel -R" Jun 24 20:31:24 parahumanoid: you should be fine after that Jun 24 20:31:25 suggestion: install proper rootsh blocker ;-P Jun 24 20:31:32 hehe Jun 24 20:32:09 Cruel too. The funny thing is, I was the one who recommended N900 when he mentioned he wanted a unit with broad abilities. So, I'm kind of responsible for giving the grenade to a kid. Jun 24 20:32:32 freemangordon: will your kernel run with stock... err you'Re fixing the bootlooping device, right? right??? :-D Jun 24 20:32:33 freemangordon: I need to get out of r&d but can't. Jun 24 20:32:58 parahumanoid: you can get out of R&D later Jun 24 20:32:58 freemangordon: you're clearly outsmarting me Jun 24 20:33:40 DocScrutinizer05: hmm? Jun 24 20:34:09 parahumanoid: do what I said ^^^, will fix R&D once you;re out of the bootloop Jun 24 20:34:09 not the point, please help me get out of it now. It's not behaving as expected. Jun 24 20:34:10 I thought you flash thumb-kernel to a device with stock rootfs Jun 24 20:34:18 but that would be silly, I guess Jun 24 20:34:30 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it will be :) Jun 24 20:34:57 when the device bootloops now, it's perfectly prepared for thumb-kernel ;-P Jun 24 20:35:16 you're right this is WAAAAAY faster Jun 24 20:35:22 so, the usb is in PC, but not in N900, the unit has the battery removed, keyboard closed. What next? Jun 24 20:35:37 start the flasher cmd Jun 24 20:35:56 I have the cmd up and in the flasher dir Jun 24 20:36:04 flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco --flash-only=kernel -R Jun 24 20:36:08 shoot Jun 24 20:36:22 :nod: Jun 24 20:36:29 just a sec. Jun 24 20:36:48 then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key Jun 24 20:36:59 :nod: Jun 24 20:37:24 o/ Jun 24 20:37:26 damn Jun 24 20:37:39 another 40 min "wasted" Jun 24 20:37:48 I need to do my laundry Jun 24 20:38:07 hmm, which reminds me... Jun 24 20:38:32 I am in the same situation :D Jun 24 20:38:35 that sounds like some black magic ritual: "then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key" Jun 24 20:38:58 CutMeOwnThroat: it is all about the black magic :) Jun 24 20:39:06 "sacrifice a chicken and dance the samba around it four times" Jun 24 20:39:28 samba? oh, no, black metal that is :D Jun 24 20:40:18 like... silver? Jun 24 20:41:41 freemangordon, so ok, it's waiting for me to connect. as I said before, the unit is with battery removed, kbd closed, usb not plugged. What is the order to get it seen by the flasher? The standard "hold the 'U' " procedure is not working. Jun 24 20:42:31 open the keyboard, connect USB cable, press'n'hold U, insert the battery Jun 24 20:42:53 keeping the 'U' pressed until it starts to flash Jun 24 20:45:11 when the device doesn't show USB symbol upper right corner of the NOKIA screen and instead tries boting and loops, then your battery is too empty Jun 24 20:45:52 you're in a pinch then Jun 24 20:46:37 damn, that took a while for it to come on. I got a few more gray hairs. Jun 24 20:46:39 what next. Jun 24 20:46:41 ? Jun 24 20:46:44 unless you're lucky and device boots unto backupmenu menu, since that is supposed to charge battery (when sufficiently recent) Jun 24 20:47:05 huh? Jun 24 20:47:19 you probably flashed and watched the device boot? Jun 24 20:47:30 what do you mean by COME UP? Jun 24 20:47:49 "to come on" = to power on Jun 24 20:47:52 what does you flasher command on PC tell you? Jun 24 20:48:14 seems to have flashed the kernel. dump in a sec. Jun 24 20:48:21 and what exactly is "power on"? Jun 24 20:48:35 parahumanoid: power it on Jun 24 20:48:43 Image 'kernel', size 1744 kB Version 2.6.28.10-cssu3 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 105. Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Jun 24 20:48:56 seems ok so far. Jun 24 20:48:57 yeah, it flashed kernel, -Rebooted, and now it probably got stuck on you still holdimg U key ;-D Jun 24 20:49:12 oh, come on Jun 24 20:49:16 :D Jun 24 20:49:16 that's what I guess Jun 24 20:49:44 parahumanoid: what it is doing now? (the device) Jun 24 20:50:39 yeah, what does it show? Jun 24 20:50:52 absolutely nothing. dark screen, doesn't power on. Jun 24 20:51:03 errr Jun 24 20:51:16 it might actually already be powered on Jun 24 20:51:28 oh well, thanks for the hints so far... running backup now... perhaps really will try to just get the libtinymail package updated... going to the US mid-july and the N900 will be my "laptop"... so not too keen on exchanging lots of packages... as that inadvertedly means new bug^H^H^Hfeatures Jun 24 20:52:36 ok, so I have it lit up, the usb token showing in the upper right corner, and a wrench and a tablet unit icon under the Nokia logo. Jun 24 20:52:37 parahumanoid: has flasher command returned? Jun 24 20:52:50 CutMeOwnThroat: get cssu-stable Jun 24 20:52:53 yes, I already posted the cmd dump Jun 24 20:52:59 scroll up Jun 24 20:53:04 mhm, you're in flasher mode and R&D mode Jun 24 20:53:41 parahumanoid: power it off, close the keyboard and power it on again Jun 24 20:53:44 is it the right time to --disable-rd-mode? Or is there more we need to do? Jun 24 20:53:54 if it still shows the USB symbol, releast the "U" key and unplug from USB Jun 24 20:54:03 This flag is persistent between boots, tested that already. Jun 24 20:54:12 parahumanoid: let it boot to Maemo once, will disable R&D after that Jun 24 20:54:31 :nod: Jun 24 20:54:33 parahumanoid: yep, it is, it is written in CAL Jun 24 20:54:42 Sicelo, yes... that was the next plan... but backups first Jun 24 20:55:01 * DocScrutinizer05 waits for "what is CAL?" Jun 24 20:55:07 :) Jun 24 20:55:09 ;-) Jun 24 20:55:15 ~CAl Jun 24 20:55:15 hmm... cal is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Jun 24 21:01:01 I'm gonna let it charge for 10 minutes, I think it's close to being drained. Jun 24 21:01:38 parahumanoid: are you sure the kernel was successfuly flashed? Jun 24 21:01:49 The flasher, while it took a bit of waiting, did acknowledge it and return it to production mode. But it's not powering on. I think it's just drained, cause I've been tinkering with it all day long. Jun 24 21:02:07 ooh, yeah Jun 24 21:02:24 parahumanoid: connect it to wall charger, not USB Jun 24 21:02:36 I doubt it would flash anything in that state Jun 24 21:03:16 freemangordon: even if it wasn't, now that I'm back to familiar state, I can always do a vanilla, install cssu, and then restore the backup. That should do the trick, right? Jun 24 21:03:29 But I'm pretty sure it succeeded. Jun 24 21:03:33 yep Jun 24 21:03:36 wich familiar state? Jun 24 21:04:41 and you still would need to flash correct kernel before (or after) BM backup rstore Jun 24 21:05:08 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, why? cssu-thumb will flash it Jun 24 21:06:00 Doc: It wouldn't leave the R&D in a familiar fashion, required long waits for the flasher to "see" it. I've set a few extra flags before that may have influenced it. Jun 24 21:06:12 since after flashing vanilla a flasjing of rootfs is mandatory (due to optification), and that would restore kernel to stock unless you do special tricks for flasher parameters Jun 24 21:07:25 Doc: it would, correct. But what's to stop you from installing the cssu-thumb from the repo, rebooting into BM and restoring the images? Jun 24 21:11:17 nothing Jun 24 21:13:00 Thank you for you help, folks. It's a great community, and I'll be joining you soon as I'm getting this unit for myself by the end of summer. My friend can't handle it, he's going off to the Android land, he wants essential things to be simple and convenient. Not something we can always say about N900 :-) Oh well, I still love this piece of tech. Jun 24 21:14:41 I was wondering, real quick, was the maximum speed rating of the n900's microsd card? Jun 24 21:14:52 it should be able to do class 10 right, but what about UHS-1? Jun 24 21:16:38 UHS onyl in compatibilty mode Jun 24 21:17:29 i.e. working at class 10 speeds? Jun 24 21:38:57 the SD slot tops out at 25MHz meaning about 12 megabytes/s read and write Jun 24 21:39:53 excellent, so a class 10 would make a diffrence Jun 24 21:40:00 as opposed to class 4 Jun 24 21:40:18 IIRC you're not supposed to use >25mhz without reducing Vcc, which im not sure the n900 can do Jun 24 21:40:24 well, depends. Jun 24 21:40:49 I have a 6(?) year old Kingston cheap card that will max read and write Jun 24 21:40:54 I have a class 4 card in there now, I am looking for an upgrade to make transfering files less a pain in the ass Jun 24 21:41:15 for large files, it should do that Jun 24 21:41:48 in addition to being my primary phone, my n900 is also my digital music player, AND my digital camera Jun 24 21:52:19 I'm running some benchmarks now, it looks like I'm getting around 12.6 MB read and 3.4MB/s write Jun 24 21:52:58 large continuous writers? Jun 24 21:53:31 yeah, benchmarker, 10 meg blocks Jun 25 02:28:06 hi to all. what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon? Jun 25 02:38:26 sup Jun 25 02:38:35 lsusb? Jun 25 02:38:47 and keep trying **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 25 02:59:58 2013