**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 28 02:59:58 2013 Jun 28 03:04:40 Ok, silly question: How do I type a pipe (|) in backumenu's terminal? Anyone know? ( robbiethe1st ?) Jun 28 03:05:01 um Jun 28 03:05:39 :) Not a good sign to stump the writer. ;) Jun 28 03:06:22 It's not in that documentation screen just before the terminal? Jun 28 03:06:25 Am trying to recover and want to copy data over. Best way I know is: tar -cf - . | tar -C /target/ -xf - Jun 28 03:07:36 no... talks about tab, < > and escape... no pipe. :P Jun 28 03:07:46 Um, there may not be a way Jun 28 03:08:01 it may not be in the alternate keyboard layout I had Jun 28 03:08:21 it's changable, though... google for how to modify the keyboard layout on the N900.. Jun 28 03:08:24 I forget exactly Jun 28 03:09:03 ah.. hmm.. keyboard layout change. :) Awesome. Thanks! Jun 28 03:09:07 so, wait, why are you making a tarball, piping, and then restoring? Jun 28 03:09:18 Why not just use cp or rsync? Jun 28 03:10:17 also, shouldn't bm take care of backup/restore? Jun 28 03:10:22 cp is somewhat broken afaik in busybox. Jun 28 03:10:32 Yes, but this isn't a regualar restore... Jun 28 03:10:39 System at itself rather nastily... Jun 28 03:11:09 So trying to just recover what few things I need to get basic db back (sms, etc) vs a full restore... Jun 28 03:11:32 What I'd probably do is run BM's backup function, for the rootfs at least, then use USB mode, connect to a Linux PC, and go create a new root/optfs Jun 28 03:11:45 ...Or, restore those files from within Maemo Jun 28 03:12:02 I've done that before as well -- the only files you have to restore from outside Maemo are OS-critical ones Jun 28 03:12:52 Was hoping to do it outside maemo, since it's never nice about replacing userdb :P But true... may be fine to do and then do a quick reboot Jun 28 03:13:45 one option is to make a backup of your current system, open that backup on a Linux PC(usb mass storage mode) Jun 28 03:13:58 I'm just happy I was able to pull most of /opt off the old device. The rootfs ate itself. :P Jun 28 03:14:23 And would not recover.... so.. trying to recover what I can to the second device :P Jun 28 03:14:35 That's odd Jun 28 03:14:44 On my device, optfs tends to eat itself on a regular basis Jun 28 03:14:49 never had an issue with the rootfs Jun 28 03:15:22 Pretty sure it's a bad flash block. Will try a re-flash on the old device once I know I got what I care about off it. :) Jun 28 03:15:37 But really, not too trusting of it now... Jun 28 03:18:27 The old one also took to rebooting randomly about 2 weeks ago... so... Now my backup becomes primary, and old one becomes test device. :P Jun 28 03:18:56 hm Jun 28 03:19:16 when you do a proper reflash, it should work around bad blocks Jun 28 03:19:21 Anyway, thanks for the help. :) And for the program that let me save what data was on there... Jun 28 03:19:29 Yeah, NP Jun 28 03:19:42 it's been like two years since I've been working on it, though Jun 28 03:19:45 since I got a job Jun 28 03:20:00 Yeah, should... but never know if it will re-assign those out again later, so. :P Jun 28 03:20:29 I mean, it has a bad-block table Jun 28 03:20:42 built into the file system design Jun 28 03:20:50 it should do wear-levelling as well Jun 28 03:21:00 That's assuming it's flagging it as a bad block. If it did, then a fsck should have recovered it. Jun 28 03:21:33 maby Jun 28 03:21:50 would copy bad->good, and fsck could fix it... in theory. I guess rootfs is a little less recovery prone, being ubfs? Jun 28 03:22:07 I think/hope Jun 28 03:22:32 EXT2, on the other hand, isn't that resilliant Jun 28 03:23:14 especially when OCing; there's supposed to be some corruption glitch somewhere, and OCing compounds it Jun 28 03:23:59 Yeah... Which is why I usually don't OC. Had a nice QBW to kick it on when needed, but rarely did. Jun 28 03:25:15 esp once thumb came out... wish they made it with 512M... would have made lots things a non-issue Jun 28 03:27:09 anyway, off to re-setup. :P thanks again! Jun 28 07:15:13 http://linuxgizmos.com/japanese-company-announces-first-tizen-tablet/ Jun 28 08:18:06 any idea why DrNokSnes would erroneously claim that saving the state of a game "Failed" when in fact it did generate a fully functional save file in the location I specified? Jun 28 09:11:19 A wonderful splendid Prickle-Prickle Morning to You all. Jun 28 09:15:35 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 28 09:23:47 a question to the system hackers: how would I detect data traffic on a network interface? Jun 28 09:33:01 netstat? Jun 28 09:33:04 i have no clue Jun 28 09:35:12 dstat Jun 28 09:35:21 vnstat Jun 28 09:36:29 hmm, I resp my manpages don't know about dstat and vnstat Jun 28 09:38:11 does anybody know of a kde or whatever systray applet that shows "leds" flashing up for not only disk access but also network traffic? Jun 28 09:41:50 hmmm, I guess *some* sysnode or procnode should create *some* sort of even you could wait for, when a single byte of data gets transmitted via that NIC Jun 28 09:44:17 dstat sounds awesome Jun 28 09:44:30 but it's probably not exactly what I'm looking for Jun 28 09:45:20 aiui it polls certain statistic *nodes on a regular time pace to gather statistics in time domain Jun 28 09:46:05 while I'm looking for a sort of IRQ that happens whenever there is activity on the device Jun 28 09:48:13 kinda like udev-monitor or inotify Jun 28 09:52:29 or like epoll(4) but not on my own socket Jun 28 09:59:27 SIGIO would be great, but again I can't see how that would work for arbitrary "foreign" processes' sockets Jun 28 10:00:21 ummmm, wireshart comes to mind Jun 28 10:00:28 shark even Jun 28 10:00:42 tcpdump, sth along that line Jun 28 10:01:39 seems tcpdump knows how to do what I want getting done: wait until sth happens on a network interface Jun 28 10:03:55 hey guys Jun 28 10:04:07 i'm from kiwiirc Jun 28 10:04:15 i mean i'm logged into from it Jun 28 10:04:42 can anyone please tell me can find my machine's public IP by doing whois on me Jun 28 10:04:56 i just wnat to know if my ip iis visible to everyone or not Jun 28 10:04:59 thanks Jun 28 10:07:43 spad35: your IP is never visible on IRC Jun 28 10:07:51 spad35: your hostname however is Jun 28 10:08:04 [Whois] spad35 is 73ba408d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.186.64.141 ([www.kiwiirc.com] spad35) Jun 28 10:09:22 thank doc, i'll ask few more questions Jun 28 10:09:28 shoot Jun 28 10:09:31 sorry its kind of off-topic Jun 28 10:09:35 np Jun 28 10:09:45 whats the difference when you say hostname vs ip Jun 28 10:10:17 IP is your true IP, hostname is whatever your IRC client and the IRC server you connect to make of it Jun 28 10:10:18 cuz you just told me my ip, its written there 115.186.64.141 Jun 28 10:10:33 e.g you could have a cloak and then it would look like: Jun 28 10:10:34 oh ok, got it Jun 28 10:10:54 [Whois] DocScrutinizer05 is ~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) Jun 28 10:11:41 hmm Jun 28 10:11:46 ok i'm on irc.dal.net Jun 28 10:11:58 there my hostname seems to be pretty different Jun 28 10:12:04 lemme show you Jun 28 10:12:37 spadespade [spade!~spad35@BBL.worldcall.net.pk] * [www.kiwiirc.com] spad35 Jun 28 10:12:56 can my machine's ip be found through this information ? Jun 28 10:13:04 if your irc client supports proper DNS and the DNS is actually true (via rDNS lookup) then the hostname would look like that: [Whois] infobot is ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot) Jun 28 10:13:55 obviously your gateway includes true IP into the made-up hostname: gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.186.64.141 Jun 28 10:15:07 so I guess your machine's IP is either 115.186.64.141 or 141.64.186.115 Jun 28 10:16:04 that's however just guessing, nobody except the IRC server you're connected to (sendak.freenode.net) *knows* your IP for sure Jun 28 10:17:01 hmm Jun 28 10:17:21 irc.dal.net exposes proper IPs Jun 28 10:17:35 but now that I'm logged in from this web client kiwiirc Jun 28 10:17:38 spadespade [spade!~spad35@BBL.worldcall.net.pk] * [www.kiwiirc.com] spad35 Jun 28 10:17:39 if you're worried about your IP getting exposed, I suggest you /join #freenode, and ask for a unafilliated/ cloak Jun 28 10:17:42 is all that is displayed Jun 28 10:18:15 for that you first need to register to your nickserv account Jun 28 10:18:39 [Notice] -NickServ- spad35 is not registered. Jun 28 10:18:53 /msg nickserv help register Jun 28 10:19:01 but the protection I will get will be useable on freenode servers only, or will that hide my ip on other irc servers as well, like i only use dal.net other then freenode Jun 28 10:19:16 that's only on frenode Jun 28 10:19:24 hmm Jun 28 10:20:04 another security means would be to use tor/onion Jun 28 10:20:12 do you know of any non-paid way through which I could protect myself, some nuker is after me on dalnet, and its the first time I'm trying to understand all this stuff about IPs and cloaks/bnc and what not Jun 28 10:20:22 freenode explicitly supports and invites tor usage Jun 28 10:20:53 ~wiki tor Jun 28 10:20:56 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|tor|Tor|TOR}} 'Tor' may refer to: * Tor (rock formation) * Tor (anonymity network), an Internet communication method intended to enable online anonymity * "Tor" (genus), a group of fishes * Tor missile system, an anti-aircraft weapon * Tor rifle, another name for the WKW Wilk anti-materiel / sniper rifle * Tor functor, a left derived functor of a tensor product, used in the ... Jun 28 10:21:15 ~wiki Tor (anonymity network) Jun 28 10:21:18 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network) (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=November 2012}} {{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox software | name = Tor | title = | logo = | logo caption = | screenshot = | caption = | collapsible = | author = | developer = The Tor Project | released = {{Start date|2002|9|20|df=yes}}{{cite mailing list | last = Dingledine | first = Roger | title = pre-alpha: run an onion proxy now! | mailinglist = ... Jun 28 10:21:31 oh how helpful Jun 28 10:21:39 :) Jun 28 10:21:47 ok i'll look into this tor thing Jun 28 10:21:48 and Jun 28 10:21:49 have a look into tor Jun 28 10:22:06 i'm hoping that I can get some way to use it for me without paying anyone anything Jun 28 10:22:18 tor is for free Jun 28 10:22:25 thats what my umtimate goal is, hiding my ip without paying for it cuz i cant pay Jun 28 10:22:35 paying for tor would defeat its purpose big time Jun 28 10:22:49 ok cool, i may bug you again Jun 28 10:23:20 you still using n900 DocScrutinizer05? Jun 28 10:24:12 * DocScrutinizer05 just ponders if his last statement is correct. Pay arbitrary amount of money to a dedicated bank account, with a GUID as subject text on the money transfer, then log in to TOR using that GUID Jun 28 10:24:21 spad35: sure Jun 28 10:24:40 anyway, TOR is free of charge Jun 28 10:25:07 and made to exactly hide the IP of your machine Jun 28 10:25:22 someone let me borrow their galaxy s4 for a week Jun 28 10:25:33 so not even the agencies are supposed to be able to trace you and your location down Jun 28 10:25:47 i loved the bells and whistles, but ti didnt come close to convincing me to spend $600 on it when i alreayd have n900 Jun 28 10:25:55 downside of tor: slow like dogshit Jun 28 10:26:04 but for IRC it's just fast enough Jun 28 10:26:16 well it should work propr just for text chat no Jun 28 10:26:25 mmy connections lag me anyway, i'm used to it Jun 28 10:26:40 yea, thats good,, irc text chat, not much data anyway Jun 28 10:33:48 http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/connecting-to-freenode-using-tor-sasl/ Jun 28 10:34:55 it's a damn shame freenode doesn't support SASL EXTERNAL :( Jun 28 10:35:53 spad35: ^^^ Jun 28 10:36:06 thanks! Jun 28 10:36:07 i'm still using a cert, but i also have to give them my password Jun 28 10:50:23 http://freenode.net/sasl/ http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor Jun 28 10:53:17 but honestly, a cloak sounds way simpler and completely sufficient to counteract any stalkers you suffer from. Just make sure you log in to freenode using proper server password, so you don't show up temporarily with your uncloaked servername (actually hostmask is the technically correct term iirc) before your clinet registers to nickserv and thus your cloak gets applied Jun 28 10:54:30 s/clinet/irc client/ Jun 28 10:54:30 DocScrutinizer05 meant: but honestly, a cloak sounds way simpler and completely sufficient to counteract any stalkers you suffer from. Just make sure you log in to freenode using proper server password, so you don't show up temporarily with your uncloaked servername (actually ho... Jun 28 10:54:55 now THAT is also rather nonsensical, infobot Jun 28 10:57:23 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x Jun 28 10:57:28 s/x/0xxxxxxxx/g Jun 28 10:57:28 DocScrutinizer05 meant: 10xxxxxxxx20xxxxxxxx30xxxxxxxx40xxxxxxxx50xxxxxxxx60xxxxxxxx70xxxxxxxx80xxxxxxxx90xxxxxxxx Jun 28 10:58:12 :o Jun 28 10:58:29 sorry Jun 28 10:58:36 felt silly Jun 28 10:58:47 heh Jun 28 11:04:26 Like Macer reported last night, there seems to be some kind of problem concerning conversations Jun 28 11:04:43 since the latest update (i guess) it randomly closes due to some internal error Jun 28 11:04:52 even when theres no conversation open Jun 28 11:07:12 . Jun 28 11:07:15 is that a topic for #maemo-ssu? Jun 28 11:07:30 got nuked again Jun 28 11:07:35 B-( Jun 28 11:07:45 nuked? Jun 28 11:08:36 dos attack Jun 28 11:08:44 frmo dalnet Jun 28 11:08:50 that nuker guy is after me Jun 28 11:09:02 what does it look like? Jun 28 11:09:24 brb Jun 28 11:18:09 Lava_Croft: I gather your report was about CSSU? Jun 28 11:19:26 if so then please read /topic and accordingly join maemo-ssu channel to discuss the issue there Jun 28 11:22:30 also Jun 28 11:23:06 LAST ORDER! BoD elections closing in ~12h. VOTE if you didn't yet! Jun 28 11:23:53 i dont see the need to join #maemo-ssu in order to talk to the same folks as over here Jun 28 11:24:02 i reported it, all fine by me Jun 28 11:32:36 I dont know anyone, so ho wwould vote? Jun 28 11:33:14 *I Jun 28 11:48:21 back Jun 28 11:48:29 DocScrutinizer05, i was telling you about nuke Jun 28 11:49:07 they call it nuke, when they use hacked machines to send a lot of traffic to your ip Jun 28 11:49:14 forming a dos attack Jun 28 11:49:57 as soon as they throw it on my ip, my net jams, nothing works, no browsing and I have to unplug my usb modem (which is providing me the net) Jun 28 11:50:21 and attach it back and that issues me a new ip so I can start browsing Jun 28 11:50:42 when he knows my ip again (if I join dalnet irc sesrver and I'm on the channel which he knows I will be in) Jun 28 11:50:57 he nukes me again, which causes my net to stop working again Jun 28 11:51:21 so thats the story and i' mlooking at how to make tor work for me so i can hide my ip and he cannot nuke my net connection Jun 28 11:51:26 Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed Jun 28 11:52:07 Lava_Croft: if you feel better by having reported it ("..., all fine by me") then ok Jun 28 11:53:12 im not into rules because of rules Jun 28 11:53:23 Lava_Croft: if your intention is to help make CSSU improve, then I suggest you consider more effective ways to do so Jun 28 11:54:10 Lava_Croft: and I'm NOT talking about any rules here, not at all Jun 28 11:54:51 I'm talking about common sense to not complain about the dinner at the car parking boy Jun 28 11:55:46 if you want your complaints about the dinner to have any effect, you want to make sure they finally arrive at the cook in the kitchen Jun 28 11:57:19 spade35: I suggest avoiding that irc network Jun 28 11:57:43 or ask for support from the guys that run this IRC network Jun 28 11:57:56 i made many nice friends there Jun 28 11:58:09 so i just feel a need to go there again and again Jun 28 11:58:17 i'm about to contact the irccops there Jun 28 11:58:26 but i'm also exploring Tor as you suggested Jun 28 11:59:11 https://www.torproject.org/docs/N900.html.en Jun 28 12:03:26 checking Jun 28 12:03:53 Lava_Croft: some of our devels have 10 or 20 or more channels open in their IRC clients, and they for sure don't scan every single one of those channels for topics relevant to them on a 24/7 basis Jun 28 12:05:01 #maemo-ssu is existing for a certain purpose: everything posted there attracts immediate and full attention of the cssu devels Jun 28 12:05:34 (or something rather close to this, anyway) Jun 28 12:06:59 that's the rationale behind suggesting to take CSSU bug reports to that channel, and also the rationale why any OT chat in that channel is despised Jun 28 12:07:48 while here in this channel you have a potpourri of topics loosely related to maemo at large Jun 28 12:07:53 or not at all Jun 28 12:09:45 Well Doc has a point here Jun 28 12:11:32 he always has a point Jun 28 12:13:30 he completely has a point, but that wont beat my laziness! Jun 28 12:14:28 well, I tried to help out on your laziness as much as I been able to, by c&p your 3 lines of post to #maemo-ssu Jun 28 12:14:56 I know that being spineless would pay Jun 28 12:15:01 Thanks ! :) Jun 28 12:15:06 however I'm sure devels would like to pick up on any such report when they had an option to ask for further details Jun 28 12:15:16 im always here Jun 28 12:15:20 at least in name Jun 28 12:15:56 devels usually don't switch channels to ask original poster about details Jun 28 12:16:25 time to reboot Jun 28 12:16:40 particularly not when they had to do so to cope with laziness of OP Jun 28 12:17:19 there's generally a strong sentiment about lazy bug reporters Jun 28 12:17:37 beats not bug report at all Jun 28 12:17:41 no* Jun 28 12:18:39 * DocScrutinizer05 shrugs and mentions that this kind of bug report 100% sure won't trip the investigation-triggering threshold Jun 28 12:19:05 [2013-06-28 13:51:26] Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed Jun 28 12:20:18 I'm not telling this to bash anybody, I just know a bit about what has been touched by latest CSSU and that devels will shrug it away as "CND" Jun 28 12:21:35 so unless somebody is offering active help on investigating the nature of the problem on a device where the problem actually exists, no devel will bother to have further look at it Jun 28 12:22:13 tag as "invalid", shrug, next issue please Jun 28 12:23:31 there's no CSSU patch that's touching conversations, afaik Jun 28 12:24:15 so devels will tend to reject any lazy fuzzy bug report that doesn't yield any handle to further investigate on the issue Jun 28 12:25:02 --> waste of everybody's time Jun 28 12:38:33 and actually a negative motivation to the CSSU devels since another time there's been a shoot&run report attributing a random flaw to CSSU while not offering any help to either fix it or investigate on the true culprit so that CSSU is clearly not tainted as responsible for it. While devels are convinced it can't be related to CSSU Jun 28 12:41:11 it's kinda like you're giving bread to the starving and then folks start to spread the rumour that it's poisoned Jun 28 12:41:33 Since CSSU is just about the only software recieving updates, its perfectly normal for people to guess that new 'bugs' are related to the CSSU Jun 28 12:42:00 and i never stated its a CSSU problem, i merely guessed it's probably cssu Jun 28 12:42:00 which makes it worse, since it *sounds* plausible Jun 28 12:42:35 while those who think it's plausible don't realize that each update also does a massive write of data to filesystem and whatnot else Jun 28 12:43:39 and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device Jun 28 12:43:49 which happens to be the CSSU update Jun 28 12:43:52 hey, its your job to assume Jun 28 12:43:53 not mine Jun 28 12:44:25 no, to make it utterly clear my job is Electronic Engineer Jun 28 12:44:28 you can of course covertly try to ridicule me Jun 28 12:44:38 but that hardly does any good for your otherwise good arguments Jun 28 12:45:05 ill just leave you and your monologue to be Jun 28 12:45:11 monologues are known to fix stuff Jun 28 12:45:13 have fun! Jun 28 12:45:34 and I'm now fed up with you rejecting any responsibility for your "bug report" while otoh demanding that we deal with it despite it's lacking *any* useful info we couls start on Jun 28 12:45:54 at first it wasnt a 'bug report' Jun 28 12:46:14 but a followup to a problem someone else reported here last night, after i also reported it before that Jun 28 12:46:18 whatever it was, it exposed an annoying attitude on your side Jun 28 12:46:33 yeah, your attitude is something to write home about Jun 28 12:46:41 really now Jun 28 12:47:16 also, i dont think ive demanded anyone to deal with it? Jun 28 12:47:27 you just mangle my words and turn it into something much bigger than it is Jun 28 12:47:42 probably because you are already filled with rage and anger over others things related to this Jun 28 12:47:50 then you won't mind when I'm just ignoring any further rant and silly comment from your side Jun 28 12:47:51 and i happen to the be one that gets your bucket of shit poured over his head Jun 28 12:47:53 afk Jun 28 12:48:13 you just spent 15 minutes ranting, geez Jun 28 12:50:05 its great how people like you start to rant, turn the rant into covert insults and then when they get served a reply they go into the 'im ignoring you' mode Jun 28 12:52:08 oh, pont me to any insult please Jun 28 12:52:13 point even Jun 28 12:53:00 if you need me to point out your own attempts, i guess its just no use Jun 28 12:53:08 good luck with it Jun 28 12:53:37 I just tried to explain to you why a) your 3 lines post won't trigger any bug fix action, and b) it's probably detrimental to CSSU devels' motivation Jun 28 12:53:49 in 15 minutes of ranting Jun 28 12:54:06 which basically ended in saying that im probably a dumb user that attributes any problem to the last action he did on his n900 Jun 28 12:54:07 *shrug* Jun 28 12:54:14 indeed wasted too much time on you Jun 28 12:54:14 so its all fine by me Jun 28 12:54:19 yeah, see Jun 28 12:54:38 get served a reply you dont have another witty answer for ready, and its either 'i ignore you', 'i waste too much time on you' or whatever Jun 28 12:54:54 Really, have fun with it Jun 28 12:57:01 while you have fun with your "you're insulting me! I won't give a hint where you did since obviously you're too dull to get it. Ah now you're turning to real insults" scheme Jun 28 12:59:10 again it's NOT "my job" to entertain you or handle your rants and forward them Jun 28 13:00:39 and don't you think a statement of "I'm too lazy to help make maemo better" is worth a 15 min educational effort? Jun 28 13:01:00 obviously futile though Jun 28 13:01:04 so: Jun 28 13:01:06 * DocScrutinizer05 afk Jun 28 13:17:44 btw the "you" in my >> and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device<< was not at any particular individual but a general observation how users experience and perceive things Jun 28 13:18:07 sorry when you related it to your own person Jun 28 13:18:52 I could as well have used "they" if that would make any sense in English Jun 28 13:19:57 I could've used "I" if that wasn't even more ambiguous and misleading Jun 28 13:21:14 while the statement itself been not implying any criticism, it's a normal way of how human perception works Jun 28 13:21:53 but meh, probably already futile Jun 28 13:36:01 (statement) ...and for sure the statement as is did NOT imply any "dumb user" allegation neither lierally nor implied. So if that >>...saying that im probably a dumb user...<< is what you *want* to make out of my words, then probably you intentionally decided to feel insulted, no matter what it takes Jun 28 13:41:46 my intention never been to insult you, but rather convince you to help make maemo and CSSU better. I had the options a) ignore b) reject with "'probably invalid', or `needs info'" c) elaborate in why we need your help rather than your 3 line blame&run "bug report". I opted for "c)" very consciously, it seems it didn't pan out. Next time I'll use this experience to make a better decision how to react Jun 28 13:44:06 note to self: regex:"I.*lazy.*"->ignorelist Jun 28 14:17:44 DocScrutinizer05, rellaxxxxx Jun 28 14:20:50 GeneralAntilles: I'm totally relaxed :-) I utterly consciously decided to not get upset and try my very best to explain in loving verbosity why such a post and attitude of "I'm too lazy" is not exactly helpful. Alas I failed on the purpose of this monologue, but at least I stayed relaxed all the time which I count as a success story in itself, since I'm well aware of my usual temperament Jun 28 14:21:55 :-D Jun 28 14:24:04 :P Jun 28 14:24:05 DocScrutinizer05: It is Friday. Have a beer. Jun 28 14:24:09 Lava_Croft: It is Friday. Have a beer. Jun 28 14:24:29 * vi__ *psssssst* hands out friday IRC beers. Jun 28 14:25:03 stayed relaxed alltime??? I doubt it. ;) Jun 28 14:25:19 Usually, "I'm too lazy" is code for, "I have no motivation whatsoever to do anything positive about this, I just want to do some cathartic botching to vent my spleen and maybe somebody will give me a solution." Jun 28 14:25:52 Which generally makes simple statements of comiseration or just ignoring it the best approach. Jun 28 14:26:08 Turning that into productive energy is a difficult task. Jun 28 14:26:32 True. Jun 28 14:28:14 GeneralAntilles: I noticed that :-D Jun 28 14:29:09 You can also approach it by just pointing them at the spot they can pursue assisting a fix and leave it at that. Jun 28 14:29:38 "I'm not familiar with this issue, but you can file a bug at x." Jun 28 14:29:41 and move on. Jun 28 14:29:50 Anyway, blah blah blah. Jun 28 14:29:55 How's the weather? Jun 28 14:30:00 that's basically option b) as of above. Next time Jun 28 14:30:46 or a mix between a) and b) Jun 28 14:31:16 weather fine here, and I'm busy for a job interview in 60min Jun 28 14:35:17 Oh? Jun 28 14:36:58 dunno details, sth about automotive - as usual I almost like to say Jun 28 14:42:02 WOW now THATS strange! I got a RECOVERY mail dated 16:33, and 5 min *later* I got a >>PROBLEM Service Alert: blade-b.maemo.org/RAID is CRITICAL<< mail, dated 16:28 Jun 28 14:43:33 Need to get in with GENIVI Jun 28 15:31:45 Lava_Croft: could you point me to the initial report re "Internal error. Application 'conversations' closed" Jun 28 15:31:58 Lava_Croft: on #maemo-ssu please Jun 28 15:42:24 Macer: ping Jun 28 15:44:31 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-28.log.html#t2013-06-28T00:55:03 Jun 28 15:45:52 freemangordon: please try and move it to #maemo-ssu, if only for chanlog's sake Jun 28 15:46:13 once macer answers Jun 28 15:46:19 DocScrutinizer05: will do Jun 28 15:46:22 :-) Jun 28 15:46:30 yep Jun 28 15:46:41 unfortunately i'll run in an hour or so Jun 28 15:47:02 I should've run an hour ago :-S Jun 28 15:47:35 since this here doesn't buy me bagels Jun 28 15:48:05 run then :) Jun 28 15:48:24 yep Jun 28 15:48:35 automotive... hmmm Jun 28 15:48:46 sounds intreresting Jun 28 15:48:56 nah, usually it's a PITA Jun 28 15:49:01 *interesting Jun 28 15:49:10 been there, done that, that's why they asked me to do it again Jun 28 15:49:18 embeded controllers? Jun 28 15:49:23 usually Jun 28 15:49:50 well, sound way better than UI, I am sure vi'll agree :D Jun 28 15:50:00 :nod: Jun 28 15:50:30 but usually you're doomed to use all that crap from redmond Jun 28 15:50:55 while just yesterday I got rif of my lumia Jun 28 15:51:00 DocScrutinizer05: wait, why redmond on embeded? Jun 28 15:51:02 rid even Jun 28 15:51:14 winCE? Jun 28 15:51:14 not on embedded, but all the tools Jun 28 15:51:25 oh Jun 28 15:51:43 weird, BMW diagnostic tools are on SCO Jun 28 15:52:05 that's a nice exception to the general rule Jun 28 15:52:10 or at least they were 2-3 years ago Jun 28 15:52:28 with diagnostic head running on winCE Jun 28 15:53:10 anyway *wave* Jun 28 15:53:19 bye Jun 28 15:59:47 [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ Jun 28 16:00:40 ♪♫%music%music%music%music%music%music%music Jun 28 16:15:29 hi Jun 28 16:16:26 Macer: did you fix your "conversations app" problem? Jun 28 16:16:43 don't know Jun 28 16:16:52 i swapped to the e7 for the time being Jun 28 16:16:54 but no Jun 28 16:17:07 not before i swapped. rebooting etc didn't fix it and i don't know exactly what to look for that would cause it Jun 28 16:17:45 Macer: do I get it correctly that you're not interested in helping finding what the problem is and whether it is CSSU related? Jun 28 16:18:09 freemangordon: well... all day yesterday i was txting. then updated.. then it is broken :) Jun 28 16:18:09 ZogG_laptop, with tweets like that. :P Jun 28 16:18:23 i mean i'm not a CS major but i am sure that is a pretty clear relationship to something being changed Jun 28 16:18:49 Macer: I am not arguing if it is related to CSSU or not ;) Jun 28 16:19:00 well.. let me put my sim back in Jun 28 16:19:03 one sec... Jun 28 16:19:23 Macer: why do you need the sim in? Jun 28 16:19:39 don;t you have wireless? Jun 28 16:20:02 to txt :-P Jun 28 16:20:24 Macer: is that SMS? Jun 28 16:20:27 yes Jun 28 16:20:31 sms doesn't work Jun 28 16:20:35 i didn't test im Jun 28 16:20:38 what about the other IM Jun 28 16:20:40 I see Jun 28 16:20:43 i will try it Jun 28 16:20:50 waiting on the n900 to boot Jun 28 16:21:04 Macer: do you mind to switch to #maemo-ssu? Jun 28 16:21:14 hm. sure... Jun 28 16:44:05 is there an n900 webdav client that supports https? Jun 28 17:40:00 merlin1991: Hey merlin1991, can you please check my build: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118294.html Jun 28 17:41:22 Mr_Stupid: looks good actually Jun 28 17:41:30 merlin1991: What do i have to do that it is available in the repo? Jun 28 17:41:38 ping me like you just did Jun 28 17:41:41 then wait a bit :) Jun 28 17:42:01 Ahhhh waiting, i can do that :) I like to wait Jun 28 17:46:16 Mr_Stupid: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dropbox-python-sdk/ Jun 28 17:46:29 I just started waiting :( Jun 28 17:47:08 Thx, i'll wait some more. Then i check it out Jun 28 17:47:14 :D Jun 28 17:47:19 mhm, jolla sent a tracking number for whatever they are shipping to me Jun 28 17:47:27 no way Jun 28 17:47:38 I should send them an email these days Jun 28 17:48:06 Only spam in my inbox :( Jun 28 17:49:05 >>his time we didn’t send a message in the bottle, instead we are using a shipping company. You can track your shipment (Order: be298374892437) here: << Jun 28 17:50:53 really curious what they send Jun 28 17:51:03 tshirt? Jun 28 17:51:05