**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 30 02:59:58 2013
Jun 30 03:27:55 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 03:28:04 <Macer> my bt headphones aren't pairing with my n900 :-/
Jun 30 03:28:13 <Macer> some type of sick joke heh
Jun 30 06:34:20 <Apic> A wonderful splendid good holy Sunday Morning to You all!
Jun 30 06:40:45 <DocScrutinizer05> xxxxx but yeah
Jun 30 06:41:18 <Apic> tnx
Jun 30 08:10:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xyawn
Jun 30 08:10:11 <infobot> good coffee
Jun 30 08:10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 30 08:13:24 <Mr_Stupid> with milk?
Jun 30 08:13:37 <DocScrutinizer05> YEAH! :-D
Jun 30 08:13:49 <Mr_Stupid> I have black coffee & donauwelle :D
Jun 30 08:14:04 <DocScrutinizer05> though ESL-milk, which kinda tastes like dogXXXt
Jun 30 08:15:01 * DocScrutinizer05 hates the way food industry optimizes their marhins by reducing quality of food they sell to us, all the time
Jun 30 08:15:09 <DocScrutinizer05> mergins even
Jun 30 08:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ohgod
Jun 30 08:15:25 <DocScrutinizer05> margin
Jun 30 08:15:50 <DocScrutinizer05> yummy, donauwelle
Jun 30 08:18:25 * DocScrutinizer05 looks outside and thinks "what a fine morning to have a walk and breakfast out"
Jun 30 08:28:08 <kerio> so why are you on irc?
Jun 30 10:14:27 <_rd> I had to reinstall my n900 recently, now I see sometimes hangs of the web browser. I am wondering if I installed/configured something before, which went away during the reinstallation and I do not remember that I configured/installed it before
Jun 30 10:24:41 <joga> maybe something like flashblock or so? :)
Jun 30 10:28:10 <_rd> Hmm....I had tweakflashver, I can reinstall that one, although I do not see how it avoids hangs.
Jun 30 10:44:53 <Drathir> _rd: cache of sites?
Jun 30 11:20:28 <_rd> what do you mean with cache of sites?
Jun 30 12:07:01 <Drathir> anyone here want to help test something?
Jun 30 12:07:35 <Drathir> browser cache, sorry im not highlighted... :/
Jun 30 13:06:30 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 13:06:52 <Macer> my txting started doing the same thing again
Jun 30 13:06:53 <Macer> wth?
Jun 30 13:33:31 <Drathir> mean text editor?
Jun 30 13:43:53 <freemangordon_> ~rescueos
Jun 30 13:43:54 <infobot> i heard rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
Jun 30 15:34:29 <Win7Mac> Woody14619: ping
Jun 30 15:43:58 <DocScrutinizer05> afk
Jun 30 17:05:28 <NeutrinoPower> my N900 is locked and I doesn't remember the PIN, what can I do?
Jun 30 17:06:31 <ecc3g> reflash if you didn't put in a backdoor?
Jun 30 17:10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lockcode
Jun 30 17:10:57 <infobot> it has been said that lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Jun 30 17:11:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~rescueos
Jun 30 17:11:17 <infobot> from memory, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
Jun 30 17:11:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or just full reflash
Jun 30 17:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly when you have no valuable data on your N900, reflash is the faster alternative
Jun 30 17:13:17 <NeutrinoPower> ecc3g: ssh is activated but WLAN doesn't start without unlock I think
Jun 30 17:13:37 <DocScrutinizer05> it should, I think
Jun 30 17:14:46 <ecc3g> mine apparently does goto wifi w/o unlock...
Jun 30 17:16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, normal
Jun 30 17:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> since it doesn't go offline when you lock it
Jun 30 17:16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> so forget about rescueOS
Jun 30 17:16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> just johnrip your key
Jun 30 17:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> via ssh it's utterly painless
Jun 30 17:18:01 <DocScrutinizer05> given you have a linux PC
Jun 30 17:18:45 <ecc3g> do people leave sshd running in the background all the time? I do... (though I wonder how much battery it eats when sleeping... not that much apparently)
Jun 30 17:19:28 <Wizzup> it will be sleeping all the time'
Jun 30 17:19:42 <Wizzup> in select() probably
Jun 30 17:20:37 <ecc3g> just wonderring because there apparently are addons that turn on and off sshd...maybe it's for security over power savings...
Jun 30 17:21:51 <ecc3g> I leave mine running - good password and t-mobile firewalls us anyway :(
Jun 30 17:24:28 <NeutrinoPower> no, I don't get wlan on
Jun 30 17:25:00 <ecc3g> I guess it also depends if you have "automatically search for wlan networks"...
Jun 30 17:25:12 <NeutrinoPower> over USB I get on PC: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 10 using ehci-pci
Jun 30 17:25:12 <NeutrinoPower> scsi16 : usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jun 30 17:25:12 <NeutrinoPower> scsi 16:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Nokia    N900              031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Jun 30 17:25:12 <NeutrinoPower> sd 16:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jun 30 17:27:23 <NeutrinoPower> the lock code is independent of the root-passwd right? because I set a rootpasswd with sudo passwd...
Jun 30 17:27:35 <ecc3g> they are different
Jun 30 17:27:59 <ecc3g> but if you can login to root you can extract the lock code hash, and then crack it
Jun 30 18:50:06 <mkaindl> anyone tried to have "MyDocs" as ext3/4 with uboot installed? it cannot access my kernel-power-image because it seems to need some files from mmc1:0, and is not able to read the ext3/4 partition? the attached stock kernel is booting
Jun 30 19:08:00 <DocScrutinizer05> uboot can't boot from ext3 I think, it needs vfat afaik
Jun 30 19:08:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ask pali
Jun 30 19:14:58 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: interesting things u-boot hear that sucesfully boot from btrfs with unoficial pathes...
Jun 30 19:16:34 <Macer> im watching these logs waiting for my txting to break again heh
Jun 30 19:16:49 * Macer kicks his n900
Jun 30 19:17:30 <Macer> Jun 30 14:17:15 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[780]: module-alsa-sink-old.c: Buffer underrun ! frames: 1920
Jun 30 19:17:38 <Macer> i keep getting a lot of those too
Jun 30 19:17:43 <freemangordon> Macer: ignore that
Jun 30 19:18:15 <Macer> Jun 30 14:17:44 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[789]: ISI_SMS .091064> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0
Jun 30 19:18:18 <Macer> Jun 30 14:17:44 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[789]: ISI_SMS .094177> set_timeout(): Timeout 3386 s event type:-1
Jun 30 19:18:23 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 19:19:02 <Macer> Jun 30 14:18:33 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[789]: ISI_SMS .043884> set_timeout(): Timeout 3337 s event type:-1
Jun 30 19:19:05 <Macer> Jun 30 14:18:33 Nokia-N900 telepathy-ring[1163]: GLIB MESSAGE Modem-SMS - completed sending SMS to "+16304607758" with "d2d6e7e2-09af-4953-be77-6a768691508f"
Jun 30 19:19:08 <Macer> Jun 30 14:18:33 Nokia-N900 rtcom-call-ui[1816]: GLIB WARNING ** default - _get_events_core: could not step statement: database is locked
Jun 30 19:19:32 * Macer kicks it some more
Jun 30 19:19:59 <freemangordon> Macer: try to recreate messages database
Jun 30 19:21:27 <freemangordon> Macer: I think renaming el-v1.db in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger and restarting will do the job. But not sure, try to search the forum or wait someone here to confirm
Jun 30 19:21:47 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ ?
Jun 30 19:22:12 <Macer> ok. i will in a moment
Jun 30 19:24:19 <Macer> how odd
Jun 30 19:24:29 <Macer> do i have to restart telepathy somehow?
Jun 30 19:25:07 <freemangordon> Macer: I guess so. Maybe it is best to restart the device
Jun 30 19:25:35 <DocScrutinizer05> buffer-underrun is nasty
Jun 30 19:25:42 <freemangordon> Macer: again, I am not 100%sure this is the correct database
Jun 30 19:25:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and db is locked is nasty
Jun 30 19:25:55 <DocScrutinizer05> the rest is normal
Jun 30 19:26:22 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: this (buffer...) is the result of not throwing PA logs in the bin
Jun 30 19:26:49 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: nokia were sending them to /dev/null
Jun 30 19:27:07 <freemangordon> pali changed that, so now those are logged
Jun 30 19:27:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ohshit!
Jun 30 19:27:26 <DocScrutinizer05> how insane is THAT?
Jun 30 19:27:47 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: which one exactly? what nokia did or what pali did?
Jun 30 19:27:56 <DocScrutinizer05> what pali did
Jun 30 19:28:05 <freemangordon> hmm, why?
Jun 30 19:28:39 <DocScrutinizer05> because you don't want to hog cpu with logging and disk IO when alsa already has buffer underuns
Jun 30 19:29:10 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/c90f16a20f8ada12d346d94a8cb847d0037715ed
Jun 30 19:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and I honestly don't wnat to fill my syslog with buffer underun loglines
Jun 30 19:29:39 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: syslog is not even supposed to be installed on the device ;)
Jun 30 19:29:41 <Macer> heh
Jun 30 19:29:55 <DocScrutinizer05> so wtf did we change its config then?
Jun 30 19:30:04 <Macer> yeah it is rather irritating
Jun 30 19:30:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: and if it is installed, that's on purpose, so it is better to have whatever possible logged
Jun 30 19:30:17 <Macer> was it impossible to just fix pulseaudio so it wouldn't buffer underrun?
Jun 30 19:30:18 <Macer> :)
Jun 30 19:30:26 <DocScrutinizer05> NO ITS NOT
Jun 30 19:30:44 <Macer> meaning it's possible? heh
Jun 30 19:30:45 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: no time to argue on that one, ask pali for that change
Jun 30 19:31:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly wonder what all this fucking around with stuff that doesn't fix errors but insted introduces new flaws is meant to help
Jun 30 19:32:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: toldya, ask pali, I can only guess why he did it
Jun 30 19:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> pali has an annoying habit to mess up stuff without discussing it before, and without considering if that's actually a useful and the right thing to do
Jun 30 19:33:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: actually it was discussed
Jun 30 19:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> it's called peer review
Jun 30 19:34:03 <freemangordon> maybe not with you, but still
Jun 30 19:35:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so I wonder why it not occurred to anybody else that adding workload to system to log "too much workload" is an extremely silly thing to do
Jun 30 19:36:02 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: this gets logged only on the beggining of the audio playback, which happens once every few minutes at most
Jun 30 19:36:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't care
Jun 30 19:36:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer says he got a lot of those
Jun 30 19:36:38 <freemangordon> good, file a bug
Jun 30 19:37:11 <freemangordon> there will be meeting in wednesday (iirc)
Jun 30 19:39:24 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: huh?
Jun 30 19:39:56 <Macer> yeah. my log is getting flooded with pulseaudio errors heh
Jun 30 19:40:14 <Macer> but like freemangordon said.. i can always just disable syslog
Jun 30 19:41:05 <freemangordon> Macer: what I said is that one should explicitly install it from the SDK repo
Jun 30 19:41:38 <freemangordon> which should be added by hand (SDK repo)
Jun 30 19:47:01 <DocScrutinizer05> btw alsa is *known* to spit lots of buffer underruns once it starts with it, and I think it's also known that syslog usually lives on rootfs which will make the system bootloop once you filled it with megabytes of useless alsa buffer underrun warning messages
Jun 30 19:47:39 <robbiethe1st> Any way to disable logging?
Jun 30 19:47:39 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: syslog gets rotated, iirc limit is 5MB
Jun 30 19:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, revert what pali did
Jun 30 19:48:20 <DocScrutinizer05> or divert this particular logger line to /dev/null in syslog's config
Jun 30 19:49:11 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: that's nonsense, syslog gets rotated only on boot
Jun 30 19:49:26 <DocScrutinizer05> at least last I checked
Jun 30 19:50:06 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: toldya, soon there will be CSSU devs meeting, either file a bug or bring that topic on the meeting
Jun 30 19:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> if rootfs already got filled 100%, no logrotate will even kick in
Jun 30 19:50:37 <Macer> on the brighter side the tablet-encode script is making useful videos for my n900 :)
Jun 30 19:50:58 <Macer> i'm about to test one out now to make sure it works... with the 32GB SD in it .. it's just a wealth of storage heh
Jun 30 19:51:05 <Macer> not to mention the additional 32GB of internal storage
Jun 30 19:51:12 * Macer looks at his e7 with no sd slot
Jun 30 19:51:25 <Macer> e7 would be absolutely awesome if it had a damn SD
Jun 30 19:51:27 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: to open a ticket I had to test stuff myself. I'm not touching CSSU with a 10ft pole since ~4 months
Jun 30 19:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> too many hacks 
Jun 30 19:51:53 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: bring the topic then
Jun 30 19:51:57 <freemangordon> hacks?
Jun 30 19:52:01 <freemangordon> WTF?
Jun 30 19:53:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: honestly, either give some hard facts or stop talking bullshit. after all you are respected community member and should think a bit before saying things on a public channel. IMO
Jun 30 19:53:41 <freemangordon> what hack are you talking about?
Jun 30 19:53:45 <freemangordon> *hacks
Jun 30 20:32:47 <keesj> Hi
Jun 30 20:32:57 <keesj> what happend to http://maemopeople.org/ ?
Jun 30 22:28:26 <Macer> so how do i 
Jun 30 22:28:34 <Macer> remove the pulse audio msgs from going to syslog?
Jun 30 22:28:42 <Macer> i don't see it anywhere in syslog.conf
Jun 30 22:33:45 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 23:43:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: you need to read the manpage about syslog.conf I guess
Jun 30 23:45:19 <DocScrutinizer05> or check this: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/c90f16a20f8ada12d346d94a8cb847d0037715ed
Jun 30 23:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> it's just one line where you remove that parameter "--log-target=syslog" in a script
Jun 30 23:46:56 <DocScrutinizer05> actually
Jun 30 23:48:05 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 23:49:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sed -i "s/--log-target=syslog//" /etc/event.d/pulseaudio 
Jun 30 23:49:39 <Macer> which script is that?
Jun 30 23:49:43 <Macer> oh
Jun 30 23:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> should do in one line
Jun 30 23:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> but better check and edit manually
Jun 30 23:50:37 <DocScrutinizer05> since I can't check here if my advice is correct
Jun 30 23:51:31 <Macer> does it put it to /dev/null by default?
Jun 30 23:51:39 <Macer> or does it simply not log at all?
Jun 30 23:51:46 <Macer> if i remove it?
Jun 30 23:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> stops logging aiui
Jun 30 23:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> not sure though
Jun 30 23:53:07 <Macer> ah ok. let me restart it
Jun 30 23:53:31 <DocScrutinizer05> pulseaudio --help
Jun 30 23:53:49 <Macer> yeah i'll take a look at that in a minute. right now i'm restarting it to see what happens.. hopefully i don't have problems with it booting :)
Jun 30 23:53:50 <DocScrutinizer05> --loglevel=0 might help
Jun 30 23:54:19 <Raimu> Removing that log-target will direct logs to stderr
Jun 30 23:54:19 <Macer> keeping it real
Jun 30 23:54:39 <Raimu> And yeah, it's editable in event.d/pulseaudio
Jun 30 23:55:15 <Macer> hm. ok
Jun 30 23:56:26 <DocScrutinizer05> add --loglevel=0
Jun 30 23:56:34 <Macer> sure sucks having so many mp3s on the thing
Jun 30 23:56:43 <Macer> it seems to take forever to reinitialize the media database
Jun 30 23:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> sed -i "s/--log-target=syslog/--loglevel=0/" /etc/event.d/pulseaudio 
Jun 30 23:57:23 <DocScrutinizer05> up to 60 min here
Jun 30 23:57:33 <Macer> hm
Jun 30 23:57:57 <Macer> now i'm getting something else spitting out errors non-stop :)
Jun 30 23:58:05 <Raimu> Doc, it's log-level not loglevel
Jun 30 23:58:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Jun 30 23:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry
Jun 30 23:58:15 <Macer> one sec....
Jun 30 23:58:17 <Raimu> Minor correction
Jun 30 23:59:22 <Macer> Jun 30 18:59:00 Nokia-N900 tracker-indexer[1243]: GLIB WARNING ** Tracker - No data was allocated for row 5, this means the database contained NULL or non-managed values for all the data in it
Jun 30 23:59:46 <Macer> i have a ton of those in the log
Jul 01 00:02:06 <Macer> how odd
Jul 01 00:09:12 <Win7Mac> ~STV
Jul 01 00:09:12 <infobot> hmm... stv is Single Transferable Vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
Jul 01 00:15:13 <Win7Mac> seems like emails for subsribed tmo threads are unreliable ATM?
Jul 01 00:17:13 <Win7Mac> ok, need to go to bed now. gn o/
Jul 01 02:59:01 <Macer> hm
Jul 01 02:59:13 <Macer> trying to figure out wtf is eating up my cpu right now
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