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Jul 01 03:00:18 <Macer> how odd. my applet is showing a ton of cpu being used but htop shows 25-50 percent
Jul 01 03:01:37 <Macer> is there an applet that shows cell network traffic?
Jul 01 03:04:02 <Macer> oh. i guess it was the ap widget
Jul 01 03:04:04 <Macer> lame
Jul 01 03:08:39 <Macer> ok maybe not
Jul 01 03:08:46 <Macer> my video is chopping up ugh
Jul 01 03:12:34 <Macer> let me try to oc
Jul 01 10:01:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: assuming that you don't have perceptual impairment and no magic spell either, when we don't say "your hw is fubar" we need to closely inspect and investigate _all_ the non-standard stuff that you installed and/or did on your N900. All your reports are not 'normal' for a stock fremantle installation. So I honestly would ask you to a) create a BM backup and osso-backup of your flawed system, create a description as precise as 
Jul 01 10:01:48 <DocScrutinizer05> possible of what you installed and configured and did and what been the problems you encountered, and then pretty please do a full reflash, DONT install *anything* and just use the device in stock config with stock apps/sw for at least a week, to rule out any hw problems or external source of trouble (e.g. AP, GSM carrier, whatnot else)
Jul 01 10:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and please don't forget a "uname -a"
Jul 01 10:07:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and a "for n in 0 1 2 3 4;  do dd if=/dev/mtd$n of=<yourSDcard>/mtd${n}dump; done"
Jul 01 10:08:33 <DocScrutinizer05> make that your-uSD-card
Jul 01 10:24:58 <DocScrutinizer05> *absolutely* unrelated FYI factoid:
Jul 01 10:25:01 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ./omap34xx-boot-order 
Jul 01 10:25:02 <DocScrutinizer05> sys_boot[5:0]: 0x30
Jul 01 10:25:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Boot order: USB UART3 MMC1 OneNAND -- 
Jul 01 10:26:40 <DocScrutinizer05> so *theoretically* aiui it *should* be possible to provide a xloader/NOLO file via MMC1
Jul 01 10:27:52 <DocScrutinizer05> (we discussed this several weeks ago, either here or over in #maemo-ssu)
Jul 01 10:28:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I forgot about omap34xx-boot-order back when
Jul 01 11:09:07 <DocScrutinizer51> and I again found CAL and gconf have enough stuff for weeks of experimenting
Jul 01 11:30:06 <Pali> DocScrutinizer51: problem is: we do not know filename(s) which are loaded from SD card (mmc1 is sd card) and also if nokia X-Loader can load NOLO from SD card...
Jul 01 11:30:29 <Pali> I do not have documentation for HS devices
Jul 01 11:30:41 <Pali> or is there one leaked?
Jul 01 12:10:05 <rikanee> Pali: http://omappedia.org/wiki/E-MMC_boot ?
Jul 01 12:11:01 <Pali> rikanee: do you see there something about HS devices?
Jul 01 12:11:22 <Pali> there is info only about GP
Jul 01 12:11:51 <Pali> I already wrote that we do not have documentation for HS devices :-(
Jul 01 12:11:53 <rikanee> shouldn't the Beagleboard connect MMC/eMMC to OMAP same way N900 does (embedded SDHC controller)
Jul 01 12:12:36 <Pali> bootrom is different, because nokia n900 is HS (high secure) device
Jul 01 12:12:53 <rikanee> so, x-loader needs signature?
Jul 01 12:12:55 <Pali> so it will not load bootloader signed with gpsign.c program
Jul 01 12:13:32 <Pali> right, x-loader has strong signature
Jul 01 12:13:35 <Pali> not gpsign
Jul 01 12:14:07 <Pali> MLO file signed by gpsign is only for GP devices, not for our HS
Jul 01 12:14:11 <rikanee> Pali: tried disassembling x-loader?
Jul 01 12:14:17 <Pali> yes
Jul 01 12:14:46 <Pali> but AES256bit signature is uncrackable
Jul 01 12:14:53 <Pali> so modification is not possible
Jul 01 12:15:23 <rikanee> fwiw, you could try flashing x-loader onto a SD card, and see if OMAP bootrom reads it from there
Jul 01 12:15:51 <rikanee> (how to check this, though?)
Jul 01 12:15:59 <Pali> "flashing x-loader onto SD card" how?
Jul 01 12:16:04 <Pali> under which file name?
Jul 01 12:16:15 <Pali> or how to store it?
Jul 01 12:16:24 <rikanee> file name's either mlo, mlo-mmc(0,1,2) on first FAT16 partition on sdcard
Jul 01 12:16:31 <Pali> MLO not!
Jul 01 12:16:34 <rikanee> *FAT32
Jul 01 12:16:46 <Pali> MLO is GP bootloader name signed with gpsign
Jul 01 12:16:58 <Pali> this not working on our HS devices...
Jul 01 12:17:03 <rikanee> :(
Jul 01 12:17:38 <Pali> and there is another problem: X-loader booting NOLO booloader (somehow)
Jul 01 12:17:48 <Pali> and NOLO is stored in NAND
Jul 01 12:18:06 <rikanee> Pali: x-loader cannot be modified, so if it's hardcoded to load NOLO, it'll always load what's flashed to NOLO's area
Jul 01 12:18:14 <rikanee> but at least, NOLO doesn't have to be signed
Jul 01 12:18:28 <Pali> but maybe bootrom loading full first nand partition and X-loader *maybe* skip to RAM (nothing loading)
Jul 01 12:18:39 <Pali> NOLO is not signed, right
Jul 01 12:19:09 <Pali> but in X-Loader bin there are some strings like "nand partition" and similar
Jul 01 12:19:55 <rikanee> Pali: if you want u-boot in boot chain, then you'll have to replace NOLO with some program to just jump to a bigger memory area, and load u-boot from there
Jul 01 12:20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> side note: MMC1 is uSD
Jul 01 12:20:34 <Pali> I think current u-boot stored in kernel area is good (for now)
Jul 01 12:20:46 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: yep, yep: I assume that Nokia devs used uSD as OMAP primary boot device in development
Jul 01 12:20:51 <Pali> u-boot can load kernel from mmc and sd
Jul 01 12:21:17 <DocScrutinizer05> uBoot is not related to this topic
Jul 01 12:22:28 <Pali> here is only info which I found about image format which can our HS omap board boot: http://and-developers.com/partitions:isw
Jul 01 12:23:23 <Pali> "TI's eFuse patent mentions that the “X-LOADER” string is required for the system to boot in HS mode"
Jul 01 12:24:04 <Pali> somebody with access to internal TI datasheets?
Jul 01 12:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jul 01 12:31:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ROM:0000000C 02 00 51 E1                 CMP     R1, R2          ; Checks whether it is running at the correct RAM location.
Jul 01 12:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ROM:00000010 1B 00 00 1A                 BNE     loc_84          ; If it's not, branches into a dead loop.
Jul 01 12:33:55 <rikanee> Pali: ISW isn't documented anywhere :(
Jul 01 12:34:30 <Pali> rikanee: I know, above url is only one which I found...
Jul 01 12:34:55 <rikanee> I smell that it may be locked out using Trustzone
Jul 01 12:35:54 <Pali> I already wrote (maybe year ago?), forget hacking x-loader and nolo
Jul 01 12:36:15 <Pali> also now with working uboot we do not need to modify nolo & x-loader
Jul 01 12:36:56 <Pali> and with cold-flashing (also implemented in 0xFFFF) we can reflash x-loader & nolo even if nand partitions are erased
Jul 01 12:36:59 <rikanee> Pali: none of that ISW stuff ever showed up with raw dumps of mtd, so selective lockout is the only assumption I have about it
Jul 01 12:37:36 <Pali> and cold-flashing (flashing nolo&x-loader) working also with totally discharged battery
Jul 01 12:37:52 <rikanee> the marketing materials for Trustzone say that locked-out regions are completely invisible to the user, so there's that
Jul 01 12:41:24 <DocScrutinizer05> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project  >>Note: If you are using an HS (High Security) OMAP device, an extra step is required. First, build x-load.bin using the steps above. Then, download the MShield signing tool and use the commands below. Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool.<<
Jul 01 12:42:55 <DocScrutinizer05> on a sidenote: ((forget hacking x-loader and nolo)) hacking NOLO is perfectly feasible and already been done
Jul 01 12:43:34 <jon_y> Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool. <- oh uh
Jul 01 12:43:47 <jon_y> going to be stuck in purgatory
Jul 01 12:45:55 <rikanee> nda tool, likely
Jul 01 12:48:17 <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/wkpark/x-loader-cosmo/blob/master/generate_MLO
Jul 01 12:49:55 <DocScrutinizer05> IFT_EXE="$IFT_DIR/ift"
Jul 01 12:54:41 <rikanee> mysteriously, the binary's missing.
Jul 01 12:56:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jul 01 12:56:18 <DocScrutinizer05> but you might be able to get that binary in darknet
Jul 01 14:37:12 <japa-fi> Could someone test / validate if qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat is available from the repos? I can't install it, can't locate the package
Jul 01 15:50:48 <Drathir> japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/zb9HW5ZM
Jul 01 15:55:18 <japa-fi> Drathir: thanks. 
Jul 01 15:56:26 <Drathir> japa-fi: np
Jul 01 15:57:21 <japa-fi> What repo is that in? I have enabled extras, extras-devel, community and the two nokia ones (ssu apps, ssu mr0) but still can't get that one
Jul 01 16:40:26 <Drathir> japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/rJDb3FjU
Jul 01 16:42:08 <Drathir> japa-fi: btw sorry that late ansfer because im jumping throught channels...
Jul 01 16:42:19 <Drathir> answer*
Jul 01 16:42:52 <amin007110> Could someone help me with wireless connection problem? N900 can't connect anymore to any router with any level of protection; however Ad-Hoc (ex: Mobile HotSpot) and GPRS works without problem. Upgrading to KP52 or booting in OMPA1 kernel doesn't make any difference. It scans wifi networks, asks for preshared key on connect request, but wifi icon remained blinking after that until switching wlan0 off or connect to GPRS, reboot, etc.. Also if wlan0 was sti
Jul 01 16:42:53 <amin007110> ll turned on, GPRS notification icon remains blinking though it already connected. Switching wireless off produce 'error connecting to network' message and answering NO to retry request presents you a stable GPRS notification icon.
Jul 01 16:50:07 <Drathir> any error message eg. cant connect?
Jul 01 16:52:32 <japa-fi> Drathir: No worries, I also jump between millions of workspaces and do stuff. The paste had expired or you copied the id wrong, could you redo it?
Jul 01 16:52:55 <Drathir> amin007110: maybe dhcp have a problems try to assign static adresses...
Jul 01 16:53:23 <Drathir> japa-fi: yes ofc
Jul 01 16:54:19 <Drathir> japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/1F761qqj
Jul 01 17:00:57 <amin007110> Drathir, no error at all.
Jul 01 17:06:53 <japa-fi> Drathir: This is incredible. Enabled the same repositories as you have. Yet, the qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat cannot be found.. :(
Jul 01 17:11:07 <Lava_Croft> http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.meego-compat/
Jul 01 17:11:11 <Lava_Croft> '
Jul 01 17:11:12 <Lava_Croft> er
Jul 01 17:11:27 <Lava_Croft> http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/
Jul 01 17:11:32 <japa-fi> I must have incorrect extras-devel defined then..
Jul 01 17:11:58 <Lava_Croft> trying tweetian?
Jul 01 17:12:07 <japa-fi> My intention is to instal that...
Jul 01 17:12:27 <Lava_Croft> try to dpkg -i it and after it whines about dependencies let it install and do apt-get -f install afterwards
Jul 01 17:12:30 <Lava_Croft> to make it fix deps
Jul 01 17:12:35 <Lava_Croft> thats how i installed tweetian anyway
Jul 01 17:12:42 <japa-fi> I had http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free
Jul 01 17:12:52 <Lava_Croft> i guess thats fine too
Jul 01 17:17:14 <japa-fi> Trying dkpg -i. It results to: qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat pre-depends on qt-components-10.  qt-components-10 is not installed. 
Jul 01 17:17:52 <japa-fi> Not famialiar with .deb packages (fedora user). I take this is safe to ignore (as you mentioned before). Question is: how?
Jul 01 17:21:18 <Lava_Croft> try apt-get -f install now
Jul 01 17:21:32 <Lava_Croft> 'apt-get -f install'
Jul 01 17:21:42 <Lava_Croft> no quotes etc
Jul 01 17:22:50 <Lava_Croft> if dpkg cries about dependencies, dpkg is smart (not) and just installs the .deb anyway
Jul 01 17:25:51 <japa-fi> wohoo! Now I have tweetian installed
Jul 01 17:25:55 <japa-fi> thanks
Jul 01 17:25:55 <Lava_Croft>  \o/
Jul 01 17:26:11 <Lava_Croft> no problem
Jul 01 17:29:35 <amin007110> Drathir, manual IP assignment in Settings>>Internet Connections doesn't solve the problem. Now the Wi-Fi icon is blinking by the battery icon. It lasts forever :)
Jul 01 17:43:01 <devilinside> how to update cssu?
Jul 01 17:43:26 <devilinside> ignored it when it showed in ham.
Jul 01 17:55:44 <devilinside> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Jul 01 17:59:20 <sixwheeledbeast> click update in HAM?
Jul 01 18:16:25 <DocScrutinizer05> devilinside: your keybooooooooooooooooooooooooooard is broooooooooooooooooken
Jul 01 18:17:41 <DocScrutinizer05> amin007110: you have - or had - auto-disconnect installed?
Jul 01 18:18:05 <devilinside> DocScrutinizer05 :  sorry :P
Jul 01 18:27:08 <amin007110> DocScrutinizer05, No.
Jul 01 18:27:30 <DocScrutinizer05> then that's not it :-)
Jul 01 18:33:01 <amin007110> DocScrutinizer05, dmesg shows that authenticating occurred. However, no IP assigned. Also I noticed that wifi icon in Hildon Menu changed to Ad-Hoc shape while trying to connect to a router.
Jul 01 18:33:53 <amin007110> iwconfig info says that wireless mode is managed.
Jul 01 18:42:00 <DocScrutinizer05> weird
Jul 01 18:42:09 <DocScrutinizer05> icd2 messed up somehow
Jul 01 18:43:29 <DocScrutinizer05> or wpa-supplicant, a notorious biatch
Jul 01 18:56:31 <giorgioCE> i've found a problem on showing mail messages on gmail
Jul 01 18:56:51 <giorgioCE> it report a strange message of error on server
Jul 01 18:57:09 <giorgioCE> have you information about it?
Jul 01 18:57:15 <freemangordon> giorgioCE: bug in tinymail, fixed in CSSU
Jul 01 18:57:37 <giorgioCE> before we have not it
Jul 01 18:57:45 <giorgioCE> why?
Jul 01 19:05:43 <ecc3g> google suddenly decided to change their server somewhat and an old bug in modest got choked up on it... now I wonder if I should start using CSSU or not...
Jul 01 19:06:07 <kerio> cssu-stable is Recommended™
Jul 01 19:07:05 <giorgioCE> mm
Jul 01 19:07:16 <giorgioCE> istruction for installation?
Jul 01 19:09:52 <freemangordon> giorgioCE: the bug: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/3dc8ea1e0f59aa313de194849c9144be9845eb8e
Jul 01 19:10:05 <freemangordon> ~cssu
Jul 01 19:10:05 <infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Jul 01 19:10:14 <freemangordon> giorgioCE: instructions ^^^
Jul 01 21:46:58 <ecc3g> finally installed cssu-stable :o
Jul 01 21:49:31 <GeneralAntilles> win7mac, I need to pick your brain about DSLR videography some time.
Jul 01 21:49:59 <win7mac> sure
Jul 01 21:52:19 <omgmog> Has anybody got Firefox OS (B2G) working on their N900?
Jul 01 21:58:16 <GeneralAntilles> win7mac, been playing with the hacked Panasonic GH1/2 stuff.
Jul 01 21:58:25 <GeneralAntilles> Impressive for the price range.
Jul 01 22:00:46 <win7mac> absolutely and its even sharper than 5Dmark2
Jul 01 22:01:18 <win7mac> which would nevertheless be one step up
Jul 01 22:01:31 <win7mac> but also in price
Jul 01 22:01:58 <win7mac> sharpness is enough though
Jul 01 22:02:04 <win7mac> for video
Jul 01 22:03:02 <GeneralAntilles> yeah, wish Canon's downsampling weren't so mediocre
Jul 01 22:03:06 <GeneralAntilles> I have a 7D
Jul 01 22:04:18 <win7mac> had 7D too and sold it, because 720p50 was unusable blurry
Jul 01 22:04:32 <win7mac> but very good for foto
Jul 01 22:05:20 <win7mac> look at 5Dmark3 if you can afford
Jul 01 22:05:35 <win7mac> if you wanna proceed
Jul 01 22:06:01 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, have been
Jul 01 22:06:03 <win7mac> or C100 if your serious about video
Jul 01 22:06:08 <GeneralAntilles> Out of my range for the moment
Jul 01 22:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe once we start legitimately shooting things.
Jul 01 22:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough time/drive lately.
Jul 01 22:06:57 <win7mac> if you already got lenses, stick to GH-2
Jul 01 22:07:10 <win7mac> probably upgrade to GH-3
Jul 01 22:09:01 <GeneralAntilles> My friend is on Panasonic
Jul 01 22:09:06 <GeneralAntilles> I'm all Canon
Jul 01 22:09:31 <win7mac> ah, ok
Jul 01 22:10:10 <win7mac> well, 7D is not bad, it has some nice features. first I was in love with it
Jul 01 22:10:43 <win7mac> what are you shooting?
Jul 01 22:12:54 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough
Jul 01 22:13:04 <GeneralAntilles> We did a promo video for a local sculptor
Jul 01 22:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> Shot a fashion show last year
Jul 01 22:13:23 <GeneralAntilles> Need to shoot a commercial for work
Jul 01 22:13:36 <win7mac> great!
Jul 01 22:14:45 <win7mac> get a good set of lenses and make sure the camera stays steady
Jul 01 22:15:39 <win7mac> oh and make sure you get some atmo-sound, most underestimated...
Jul 01 22:15:46 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jul 01 22:16:02 <GeneralAntilles> Zoom H4 and H4n
Jul 01 22:16:18 <win7mac> wow!
Jul 01 22:16:29 <win7mac> you got smth!
Jul 01 22:18:47 <GeneralAntilles> Got a pair of Sennheiser lav mics and a shotgun mic, too.
Jul 01 22:19:30 <win7mac> when choosing glass, beware that you have a crop camera (APS-C). All focal distances given for dslr lenses are for fullframe cameras (35mm). so basically a 50mm lens is a 80mm on your 7D
Jul 01 22:20:05 <win7mac> your audio equipm. sounds good
Jul 01 22:20:12 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Jul 01 22:20:13 <win7mac> ;)
Jul 01 22:20:36 <GeneralAntilles> Part of why I went with the 7D is that I love shooting wildlife photography
Jul 01 22:20:51 <GeneralAntilles> Shutter speed + crop work out really well for that.
Jul 01 22:21:08 <GeneralAntilles> 100-400 and 100mm macro L.
Jul 01 22:21:57 <win7mac> oh, been ther, done that... http://www.gido-griese.de/portfolio/feature/
Jul 01 22:22:36 <win7mac> used 7D for it!
Jul 01 22:22:41 <win7mac> mainly
Jul 01 22:23:30 <GeneralAntilles> I noticed the DSLR stuff on your site last night, which I why I mentioned it today
Jul 01 22:23:40 <GeneralAntilles> Need to watch some of the videos.
Jul 01 22:24:35 <win7mac> well, 1st video on that site is what I mean
Jul 01 22:25:17 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jul 01 22:25:33 <win7mac> the other 2 were shot with sony pmw ex-3
Jul 01 22:27:47 <win7mac> here's some interesting DIY-stuff: http://www.gido-griese.de/dslr/dslr-powerbase/
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