**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 15 02:59:58 2013 Jul 15 05:40:24 Anyone have eSpeak caller installed and functioning? Jul 15 06:10:32 uhm Jul 15 06:10:42 how do i use a port with sftp? Jul 15 06:10:48 thought it was -P Jul 15 06:10:52 did that change? Jul 15 06:18:11 man sftp Jul 15 07:25:07 word Jul 15 08:06:23 Celebrate Confuflux Jul 15 09:31:06 OT story: never c&p from a mcedit window to anything. I wondered why my udev rule didn't work, until I noticed that's no tab in there but literally "<--->" Jul 15 09:31:32 ;-P Jul 15 09:33:13 since I checked "on device" with mc(edit) it was particularly hard to spot Jul 15 09:34:07 only the char foreground color gave a clue about the true nature of this "<--->" Jul 15 09:49:02 and of course the cursor movement Jul 15 09:51:13 ((the 'attached kernel' is now the power-kernel v52?)) hell, no. uBoot comes with stock kernel attached and that doesn't change by any simple means Jul 15 09:57:39 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPNNg6_CcAAAa4H.jpg:large Jul 15 09:57:46 gotta love n900 protection measures Jul 15 10:30:03 DocScrutinizer05: in normal pc uou also normally dont cp text from mcedit, you need press shift to mark text for cp ant from terminal menu not right mouse key use copy. Jul 15 10:31:37 Drathir: and that's exactly what I did and what "converted" a TAB to "<-->" Jul 15 10:33:36 btw i saw last time something that terminal sometimes loosing a focus, that mean dont react to write in terminal and mark also prompt is empty inside not full, works switch right on/off screen after off screen and on again all back to normal state... Jul 15 10:33:55 on target laptop I used mc to check why the project didn't work and the file looked pretty normal in mcedit. Only the color of that "TAB" alias "<-->" was not blueish but white Jul 15 10:34:26 yes that hardly to recognise the difference... Jul 15 10:36:26 in terminal on n900 i mostlu using cat for copy or "cat file |less" if a text is longer and i need a part from top... Jul 15 10:36:40 mostly* Jul 15 10:37:18 sure, but as stated this story been OT. I.E. not related to maemo Jul 15 10:38:59 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/wh_project/ Jul 15 10:41:43 DocScrutinizer05: interesting but one bad things for me is language of comments... Jul 15 10:45:38 Sorry to be repetitive: anyone here have eSpeakcaller installed and operational? (it's supposed to say who is calling. text-to-speech) Jul 15 10:49:45 I have. Jul 15 10:50:20 psycho_oreos, do you have kernel power and does the espeak caller still say the names out? Jul 15 10:50:46 japa-fi, kp52 and yes it does. Jul 15 10:51:06 It even speaks when you have a missed call. Jul 15 10:51:52 Err wait.. *thinks back* it may not.. it only does it for missed calls. I don't quite recall hearing it at other times. Jul 15 10:53:07 I recall it saying the name between the rings or so when the phone rings. At some point it stopped functioning. Thought it was just "software rot", too many things installed and conflicting. Now that I've recently wiped my phone, I decided to install it again. Does not say a word :( Jul 15 10:54:51 hmm hate to ask this but you do have espeak stuff installed right? Jul 15 10:55:23 It pulls them as dependanceies Jul 15 10:55:51 Drathir: sure, it's not meant to go to public domain, but I still decided to keep most comments in english Jul 15 10:55:53 Yeah that's the norm, I had a weird thought that it may not have included it. I also have espeak GUI installed as well. Jul 15 10:56:01 Drathir: this is the line: echo 'ALL<--->ALL = NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/wh-playsounds.sh' >>/etc/sudoers Jul 15 10:56:27 psycho_oreos, I have eSpeak 1.46.27 + eSpeakCaller 0.8-2 Jul 15 10:57:36 japa-fi, just checked mine and I have the exact same versions. Jul 15 10:59:09 DocScrutinizer05: yes i catch that for private use is most friendly way using own prime language... yea now i see line... Jul 15 11:02:18 DocScrutinizer05: one time i have a similar situation but with strange dont showing symbol... all should bo ok but dont working, also others ppl copy what im paste and him works becayse when paste to site this hidden symbol dont copied also, i catch them with idea of one ppl to check all text in plain not editor and be there, remove them all works correctly... Jul 15 11:04:12 yep, those non-printing chars are notorious fun Jul 15 11:29:15 japa-fi, this might be old but it might somehow be worth a try: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=586294 Jul 15 11:33:21 Somehow I don't think "software rot" could be replicated time and time again. If anything it would be similar to having bad blocks within the filesystem. Besides, even if bad blocks exist, its not like the kernel would be foolish enough to have others using that bad block. Jul 15 11:33:57 psycho_oreos, thanks for the hint. Manual execution of espeakcaller provided error in import espeakcaller_contacts. I''l have to check on this more later. Jul 15 11:35:05 japa-fi, no problems. Not sure about importing contacts.. Jul 15 12:31:31 LOL, Buerger-CERT rises devcon "very high" for https://www.buerger-cert.de/archive?type=widtechnicalwarning&nr=TW-T13-0047%20UPDATE%201 Jul 15 12:34:39 psycho_oreos, apt-get install python-osso <-- problem solved, espeakercaller now speaks again :) Jul 15 12:37:13 I guess there's loads of people in .de using dlink devices *snickers*. Jul 15 12:37:21 japa-fi, *nods* nice :) Jul 15 12:39:29 DocScrutinizer05: english pls Jul 15 12:46:18 kerio: sorry, I won't set up a webpage for you that I translate. You're free to use google-translate or simply click the links in this buerger-cert website Jul 15 12:46:44 oh ok, the first link is in english Jul 15 12:47:12 meh, doesn't seem like that big of a deal Jul 15 12:47:42 kerio: short sory: buerger-cert changed thread-level to "very high" for a warning they sent several days ago, since today they learned it "can get exploited by JavaScript" Jul 15 12:49:13 the threat vector probably is: you browse a specially prepared website in your local machine. That website, via JS, roots your D-Link router Jul 15 12:49:33 I knew about that threat vector from very beginning Jul 15 12:49:41 it's obvious Jul 15 12:51:57 luckily I retired my D-615 several months ago, also it seems this particular router is not in the list of vulnerable ones, but I don't care Jul 15 12:52:21 err DIR-615 Jul 15 12:53:25 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to disable uPnP on his router, no matter if D-Link or not. Actually I think nothing really _needs_ it anyway Jul 15 12:53:42 why is upnp enabled? :o Jul 15 12:53:47 do you not know how to forward ports manually? Jul 15 12:53:58 because I "tested" it since 2 weeks Jul 15 12:54:32 I know how to manage a router Jul 15 12:55:10 I enabled uPnP to see if it gets used by _anything_ when enabled Jul 15 12:55:29 seems it's about time to revert to "disabled" Jul 15 12:55:57 particularly since it didn't change anything for SIP Jul 15 12:56:45 and no surprise in that - I'm sitting behind even TWO routers here Jul 15 13:00:47 annoying: FritzBox doesn't alllow port forward for port5060: "used internally". Fsck SIP-ALG Jul 15 13:27:23 There are Bittorrent clients like qBittorrent which sends out UPnP commands to the gateway (usually its the router) to port forward. Jul 15 13:29:32 Then there's DLNA for instance which relies on UPnP for various media related stuff. Jul 15 13:31:56 should I run 'apt-get upgrade'? http://pastebin.com/0pk4F0kc Jul 15 13:33:30 Depends. Jul 15 13:35:30 on? Jul 15 13:36:28 Mainly if you're willing to handle the upgrades. If you have enabled extras-devel and you don't want to risk bricking your device then you might want to disable that repo first. Jul 15 13:37:04 how come these updates doesn't show up with apt-get update? Jul 15 13:37:44 Update just downloads the list of packages from various repo. Jul 15 13:38:58 But they also doesn't show up via HAM Jul 15 13:49:58 I think the ones that shows up on HAM are usually the ones that aren't part of the "core" stuff. Jul 15 14:43:05 that's exactly the reason why you shouldn't do apt-get upgrade. It upgrades(updates) stuff that's not meant to get updated Jul 15 14:43:37 Maemo (particularly HAM/repo) works different than usual debian stuff and apt Jul 15 14:44:12 so, as a general rule, never do apt-get upgrade (even less dist-upgrade) Jul 15 14:46:08 e.g there might be a new version of a lib that's not compatible to the old one, but the app that's using this lib has no updated package yet in the repo where the new lib lives Jul 15 14:47:41 in HAM you'd see an update for the app when it becomes available, and on updating the app you implicitly update the lib as well. While via apt-get upgrade you update the lib before the matching app becomes even available Jul 15 14:48:09 HTH Jul 15 14:49:05 I used to do that.. ;) Jul 15 14:50:49 btw this is not limited to extras-devel, though the other repos should usually be consistent. Nevertheless apt-get upgrade is generally deprecated Jul 15 18:18:49 "eventlogger" sometimes count unread messages to negative numbers and remain in this status long time, for example in the desktop widget it shows -2 or -3 unread messages, that in actual situation -3=1. Any workaround for this? Jul 15 20:54:54 ugh Jul 15 20:55:25 finally some life here ;-) Jul 15 20:55:37 hi Jul 15 21:01:37 hi Jul 15 21:01:52 well, I been busy bitching over at #jolla Jul 15 21:01:59 mobile Jul 15 21:02:27 about general madness in industry regarding HR and the CVs they want to see Jul 15 21:03:12 and now I'm busy with heading out to my pub, getting some drink and my washed clothes Jul 15 21:03:45 (yes, my pub does my laundry ;-D ) Jul 15 21:05:39 HR and the CV? Jul 15 21:20:59 HumanResources Jul 15 21:20:59 you!l guess CV now Jul 15 21:23:27 customer value :))) Jul 15 21:23:50 I "applied" to to Jolla like 3 times, in queries to the Jolla guys. E times they told me they'll forward my application resp the info that I'm available as freelancer. Then every so often others told me that didn't happen and I have to send a CV Jul 15 21:25:20 hhhmm... guess you applied "your way"... ;-) Jul 15 21:26:16 sure. I'm freelancer, not searching for employment Jul 15 21:26:39 sad news anyway, would love to see you on the jolla-train! Jul 15 21:27:30 and I don't believe in "obey the boss", I try to make my customers happy Jul 15 21:28:20 guess you already have a GTA06 as otherhalf in mind... ;) Jul 15 21:28:59 that's what cv makes Jul 15 21:29:56 well, for now I'd love to review, specify and publish the jollaphone and interface to OH Jul 15 21:32:42 a swap between blue and red LED as happened in early N900 protos is sth I'm excellent to spot Jul 15 21:33:24 and it's about time for jolla to read out for such review/QA Jul 15 21:33:39 reach* Jul 15 21:33:55 ~OH Jul 15 21:33:56 it has been said that oh is the admin of linux.Box.sk Jul 15 21:34:18 really? Jul 15 21:34:37 ~factinfo oh Jul 15 21:34:38 error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) Jul 15 21:34:39 oh -- created by oh at Wed Aug 15 02:34:56 2001 (4352 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by win7mac, 42s ago. Jul 15 21:35:37 anyway #maemo oh obviously is still available Jul 15 21:36:33 ~#maemo OH is (jolla) Other Half - a clorified backcover for a phone Jul 15 21:36:34 DocScrutinizer51: okay Jul 15 21:37:23 infobot: no, #maemo OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone Jul 15 21:37:23 DocScrutinizer51: okay Jul 15 21:37:32 ;) Jul 15 21:37:36 ~oh Jul 15 21:37:36 hmm... oh is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone Jul 15 21:38:25 now we're talkin' ;) Jul 15 21:38:50 infobot: no, #maemo OH is OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone Jul 15 21:38:51 DocScrutinizer51: okay Jul 15 21:39:04 ~oh Jul 15 21:39:05 OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone Jul 15 21:39:41 *for the jolla phone, damn it Jul 15 21:40:19 I'll add that part when their phone got a real name Jul 15 21:41:25 ok, so i assume you already have a GTA06 as OH in mind, just to displace the first half, right? Jul 15 21:42:38 I actually suggested that for the ultimate dual SIM solution ;-D Jul 15 21:42:53 just kidding though Jul 15 21:44:57 probably I'll buy one of your n900 just for playing when jolla phones are out and you don't need them anymore... Jul 15 21:49:38 I'm pretty sure I'll prefer the N900 to Jolla phone Jul 15 21:50:20 after all the N900 still is a true NIT Jul 15 21:50:35 while N9 and Jolla are explicitly phones Jul 15 21:51:13 I know ;) jolla phone won't be very close to n900 Jul 15 21:51:35 and today I learned Jollaphone/nemo is not even supporting genuine X11, they go for QtWayland Jul 15 21:52:18 ewww Jul 15 21:52:24 there might be some compatibility layer called Xwayland Jul 15 21:52:38 but honestly... Jul 15 21:53:00 QT5 I think Jul 15 21:54:58 not my cup of tea. N9 owners may love it though Jul 15 21:56:08 apparently it's even more QML focused than HARM Jul 15 21:57:30 and I'm already fed up with maemo Qt apps, when it comes to genuine X11 tasks like kbd-input or sensors in general Jul 15 21:58:39 bypassing the system standard HID path and thus ignoring any extensions or tweaks done there Jul 15 21:58:51 Community will mod it (like N9)! Jul 15 21:59:31 oh Jul 15 21:59:32 hmm, my custom kbd layout works in opera on n900 Jul 15 21:59:35 N9 / HARM is still unbearable in my book, even after almost 2 years of community modding it Jul 15 22:00:33 because you manage your servers from it and whatnot Jul 15 22:01:08 jaska: it's a weird thing, somehow Qt wiretaps the input stack on a rather low level, thus ignoring higher levels of X11 input/HID handling Jul 15 22:01:34 not a standard use-case for avarage Joe Jul 15 22:01:39 sure Jul 15 22:01:51 that's exactly what I said above Jul 15 22:01:59 right Jul 15 22:02:18 N9 been a me-too-iPhone. Jollaphone aims at exactly same, it seems Jul 15 22:03:01 somewhat right too, but I'm sure jolla aims for more Jul 15 22:03:09 Nokia "officially" stopped to call those devices NIT, with migration to meego/HARM Jul 15 22:05:13 transfer from landscape/dual-mode to portrait-only. From "even available with hw-kbd" to "it has even less buttons than $whatever-rubbish", from accurate r-ts to crappy but mainstream c-ts... Jul 15 22:06:04 and from "it's a PC in your pocket" to "it's the best *phone* you ever will get. And btw it's based on linux" Jul 15 22:06:42 hopefully we'll see multiboot available so we have some choice Jul 15 22:06:46 NIT line ended with N900, and I don't see Jolla picking up on that philosophy Jul 15 22:08:08 win7mac: well, afaik Jolla promised they won't tivoize it. But what's the alternative? Jul 15 22:09:16 htat's my point: there's no alternative Jul 15 22:09:35 besides Cyanogenmod probably Jul 15 22:09:37 Jolla/sailfish could be THE future if they would stick to proper PC compatibility, API-wise. Like keeping X11. And disclosing source of core components like dialer etc, so you could fix those Jul 15 22:10:17 I have no doubt community would turn jollaphone into a NIT, if only feasible Jul 15 22:10:30 or JIT? Jul 15 22:11:08 if feasible, yes Jul 15 22:11:46 I'll make sure you get a dev-device to check out ;) Jul 15 22:11:54 but they can do this only when Jolla allows to tamper with their sailfish incl all core components, and the OS is not too far from a standard linux PC, API wise Jul 15 22:13:03 I consider wayland and particularly QtWayland a major obstacle in that regard Jul 15 22:14:02 sure you can use XWayland and watch it run like shit Jul 15 22:14:04 well, that is beyond my scope Jul 15 22:14:29 or you can replace wayland by Xorg and lose all the Sailfish apps Jul 15 22:16:06 Xorg with a wXorg might be a possibility, maybe Jul 15 22:16:31 wXorg == xWayland^-1 Jul 15 22:17:05 sure wXorg won't support ull HD @60fps Jul 15 22:17:11 but who needs that? Jul 15 22:17:23 full* Jul 15 22:17:55 cya, afk Jul 15 22:22:33 nobody needs 60fps at whatever resolution because nobody would see any improvement over 25p Jul 15 22:24:11 nevertheless that's been first argument for wayland stskeeps cited Jul 15 22:24:44 ooh, I guess wayland driven by poettering, btw Jul 15 22:25:17 wild guessing, it just feels like that Jul 15 22:26:56 you did not preorder yet, right? Jul 15 22:29:01 oh, preorder closed... Jul 15 22:29:34 s/closed/sold out Jul 15 22:30:35 I did Jul 15 22:30:53 yeah! Jul 15 22:30:57 broke my own rules Jul 15 22:31:05 yeah! Jul 15 22:31:41 well, at least have a *deep* look into it ;) Jul 15 22:32:18 * DocScrutinizer51 apprecizates his latest N900 hack: drive activity light Jul 15 22:33:00 port it to n9, damn it! Jul 15 22:33:18 with swap on uSD it's even more intriguing Jul 15 22:34:04 128GB swap ;) Jul 15 22:34:38 I need to pester Pali to get a "network" trigger into LED driver as well Jul 15 22:35:05 as long as you port it to n9 ;) Jul 15 22:35:25 impossible I guess Jul 15 22:36:47 well, you can try what happens when you do echo mmc0 > /sys/class/bla/indicatorLED/trigger Jul 15 22:37:21 nah, I wont try Jul 15 22:37:25 with inception it might even work Jul 15 22:38:09 I might look into the new repos-app, once the GUI is ready Jul 15 22:39:48 is there a way to not need a loop to keep on writing the trigger? Jul 15 22:40:10 you may test it, nothing odd to happen, except aegispaegis saying NONONO you cant do that Jul 15 22:40:30 because somehow my n900 hung when I left the 'drive light' running when not using the phone... not sure if it was related or not but it was the only thing I was running that was 'new'... Jul 15 22:40:42 i have a feeling there may be a race here Jul 15 22:40:43 ecc3g: stop MCE is first brute force approach Jul 15 22:41:43 and I'm running that while loop since some days now. no issues Jul 15 22:42:56 I rarely have the phone hang, had to blame this first because it's the newest hack... :( Jul 15 22:43:57 fgair enough Jul 15 22:44:05 fair* Jul 15 22:44:56 starting it up again to see if it will replicate... Jul 15 22:44:57 actually kernel had a bug there that I revealed Jul 15 22:45:33 but that's quite a time ago Jul 15 22:45:56 fixed in kp52? Jul 15 22:46:55 fixed in stock 1.2 I think Jul 15 22:47:18 ah ok. Jul 15 22:47:38 heartbeat trigger made it panic iirc Jul 15 22:48:36 hmm...wish there was a way to know about panics on the phone if it can't write to a log... Jul 15 22:48:56 eh? Jul 15 22:49:15 dev/mtd3? Jul 15 22:50:23 i guess on a dev platform you could have a serial console or something. or if there are sections of memory that are always OK to overwrite even where there's a panic, is that the case with mtd3? Jul 15 22:51:07 yrs Jul 15 22:54:11 nice ok, that helps (mtd2 it looks)... lets see if there is any panic from that hang... Jul 15 22:54:12 and there's even a tool to read out logs of OOPS and PANIC Jul 15 22:54:34 I forgot the name Jul 15 22:54:57 check tools wikipage Jul 15 22:55:04 devtools Jul 15 22:55:41 they all start with same prefix, and it not been osso or maemo Jul 15 22:56:20 if you find that prefix for me, I can tell you the name of the tool Jul 15 23:02:58 sp Jul 15 23:03:11 sp-oops-extract Jul 15 23:05:36 ~botsnack Jul 15 23:05:36 DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee Jul 15 23:06:26 ecc3g: you here? Jul 15 23:07:16 googling/tmoing... Jul 15 23:08:08 ~pkg Jul 15 23:08:08 rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 15 23:08:43 thats how I found it Jul 15 23:10:29 I'd really like to see any OOPS dump related to LED trigger Jul 15 23:11:03 we'll see if it replicates too... Jul 15 23:11:58 gn o/ Jul 15 23:13:54 night win7mac Jul 15 23:28:43 mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log" Jul 15 23:31:37 ecc3g: you found anything intresting in mtd2? Jul 15 23:43:44 no, nothing interesting... Jul 15 23:57:03 hmm, then I can't see how any perceived lockup could be related to LED trigger Jul 15 23:58:33 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders removing the LED lib from MCE plugins Jul 16 00:01:02 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libled.so Jul 16 00:02:34 I wonder if kbd backlight till gets handled by libkeypad.so or if that's sth completely different and kbd backlight would brake with disabling/removing libled.so Jul 16 00:02:51 s/ till/ still/ Jul 16 00:02:51 DocScrutinizer05 meant: I wonder if kbd backlight still gets handled by libkeypad.so or if that's sth completely different and kbd backlight would brake with disabling/removing libled.so Jul 16 00:03:27 hail closed blobs Jul 16 00:03:38 ~lart Nokia Jul 16 00:03:38 * infobot burns Nokia to a crisp with a laser Jul 16 00:05:02 wtf can be mission critical or UX relevant or proprietary or otherwise worth not disclosing it, in /usr/lib/mce/modules/*.so Jul 16 00:05:51 a clear evidence that Nokia never really planned to make maemo an open/FOSS system Jul 16 00:06:37 they just placed under GPL what they couldn't keep closed by any means Jul 16 00:07:43 and even some of that is still closed, despite Nokia clearly violating GPL Jul 16 00:11:53 I wonder - when somebody would push hard for Nokia to disclose some of the sources that are clearly GPLed and yet not published - would Nokia still go thru all the hassle to evaluate each single line of sourcecode by their lawyers, or would they rather go "WTF?! just disclose the whole ancient obsolete crap! we don't have the money to waste to check single snippets. The whole stuff is obsolete anyway and not relevant neither for any (C) Jul 16 00:11:55 with subcontractors nor for any of our future business models" Jul 16 00:16:26 Hmmmm... Jul 16 00:16:31 hm. ad-droid isn't too bad Jul 16 00:16:37 4.2 is actually kind of nice on this old tf101 Jul 16 00:16:55 too bad i stil can't get the adhoc or pan going heh Jul 16 00:17:11 wish the damn n900 could manage infrastructure mode Jul 16 00:17:16 curse you nokia! Jul 16 00:17:25 or whoever makes the wifi chipset heh Jul 16 00:20:03 they *might* find the solution chatting next to the coffe machine: S.E.:"how much to check each of the sourcecode files they asked for by our lawyers?" T.K.: "quite a lot. We have no inhouse competence for that any more" S.E.:"what would those freaks do when the source got leaked?" T.K.:"probably they'd just shut up. They don't care where from those sources came, and who's signing for authorship. They just want the sources" S.E:"then Jul 16 00:20:04 the heck put the whole crap on gitorious, after removing any reference to Nokia, and do it 'anonymously'. I'm really pissed about that linux stuff" T.K."OK." Jul 16 00:22:51 Macer, also curse google, because of lack of ad-hoc discovery! Jul 16 00:24:15 Macer: I think it's still unclear whether or not the WiFi chip in N900 _can_ do infrastructure Jul 16 00:24:20 AP Jul 16 00:25:19 ooh, "or whoever made the chipset" - well for sure not Nokia (though this wouldn't have changed stuff to the better if they were) Jul 16 00:26:55 DocScrutinizer05, I asked a question about "eventlogger" 6 hours ago. Saw that? Jul 16 00:27:34 DocScrutinizer05: the chip can do AP, it is the firmware and the drivers who have to support that Jul 16 00:27:42 aiui the chip can do "raw" mode, which means nothing is working in hardmac (firmware on the chip), but that has never been documented and the driver provided by chip manuf didn't allow it Jul 16 00:28:09 amin007110: not really, or I had nothing to contribute and thus forgot about it Jul 16 00:28:14 AFAIK the firmware we have does not support infrastructure mode Jul 16 00:28:34 ok Jul 16 00:28:46 freemangordon: exactly Jul 16 00:28:53 there is newer FW (IIRC) that supports it, but we lack the driver Jul 16 00:29:05 it does support raw mode though, aka softmac Jul 16 00:29:43 so we'd need a softmac that can do AP Jul 16 00:29:43 if I get it right, FW for 1271 supports 1251 too, along with infrastructure mode Jul 16 00:30:29 but still, we don't have the driver, put aside the usermode stuff Jul 16 00:30:44 aiui Jul 16 00:30:51 that's for sure Jul 16 00:31:23 so, again, it is the fcking SW that holds us :( Jul 16 00:31:55 "the driver" would need to either do softmac or support hardmac infrastructure. Current stuff does neither Jul 16 00:33:15 DocScrutinizer05: though I am not sure what lxp's driver supports Jul 16 00:33:16 but I *think* the packet-injection guy (forgot his name L*) once said *his* drivers could do Jul 16 00:33:24 :) Jul 16 00:33:27 yeah Jul 16 00:34:20 packet injection basically is raw mode, aiui Jul 16 00:34:47 add to that a slightly adopted softmac stack Jul 16 00:35:43 ~wiki softmac Jul 16 00:35:47 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softmac (URL), Wikipedia explains: " A 'wireless network interface controller' (WNIC) is a network interface controller which connects to a radio-based computer network rather than a wire-based network such as Token Ring or Ethernet. A WNIC, just like other NICs, works on the Layer 1 and Layer 2 of the OSI Model. A WNIC is an essential component for wireless desktop computer. This card uses an antenna to communicate ... Jul 16 00:35:55 http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ Jul 16 00:36:02 nothing about AP Jul 16 00:41:29 http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211 Jul 16 00:42:09 fullmac==hardmac Jul 16 00:42:58 for embedded you usually don't want softmac chips - they are cheaper but way more CPU hogging and thus not power conserving Jul 16 00:47:33 http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ maybe helps as well, to understand the whole thing Jul 16 00:55:46 http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo is not helpful, but it might be a region of the internets where to find more about softmac vs fullmac Jul 16 00:57:06 (the jbnote site got severely slaughtered :-/ ) Jul 16 00:57:33 some 6 years ago there been great stuff in there Jul 16 00:59:57 amin007110: can you repeat your ev-log Q? Jul 16 01:01:01 or give a unique searchstring so I can locate it in backscroll? Jul 16 01:07:33 heh Jul 16 01:07:51 well. i'm sure if it hasn't been done yet on the n900 it probably won't be :) Jul 16 01:08:01 (soft/full) in a nutshell: softmac is a driver that does promiscuous mode on the MAC/NIC/wifichip and just does on its own (on CPU of system) all the stack listening to MAC-addr of your device, and also formats answer packages etc pp. A fullmac aka hardmac driver does basically the same but on the MCU inside the WiFi chip, so your CPU in system may sleep all the time until there's actually data to receive (on data to send CPU is active Jul 16 01:08:03 anyway, unless it's ARP which might or may not get handled inside fullmac, I dunno) Jul 16 01:08:46 which really isn't a big deal unless you want to tether and iphone (don't know why) or an android non-cell tablet to the n900 Jul 16 01:09:14 well.. ipad too i suppose Jul 16 01:09:26 but i don't know if ios supports adhoc or not Jul 16 01:09:32 i can see it not :) Jul 16 01:10:05 but at least in my experience... there is no simple way to tether a non-cell android tablet to an n900 Jul 16 01:10:56 know what tho. now that i thnk about it... Jul 16 01:11:01 maybe it was the rom i was running for bt dun Jul 16 01:37:24 DocScrutinizer05, "eventlogger" sometimes count unread messages to negative numbers and remain in this status long time, for example in the desktop widget it shows -2 or -3 unread messages, that in actual situation -3=1. Any workaround for this? Jul 16 01:55:57 ooh, that Jul 16 01:56:07 I think I answered Jul 16 01:56:19 sth like "wtf?!" Jul 16 01:57:16 actualy "ugh" Jul 16 01:58:11 indeed eventlogger is kinda hard to reset Jul 16 01:59:23 I seem to recall reports about users not being able to remove / cancel a notification. I however wonder how that shite can get *negative* Jul 16 02:00:11 cloudy memories refuse to drift to surface of my mind Jul 16 02:00:27 some very obscure stuff Jul 16 02:11:42 that "not being able to remove / cancel a notification" also happened sometimes! but this "negative" one "ist wunderbar". heh. Jul 16 02:15:11 DocScrutinizer05, I think dumping el-v1.db down and rearranging its records might correct some errors, but never tried that. No experience with databases, sqlite or SQL or so. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 16 02:59:58 2013