**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 17 02:59:59 2013 Jul 17 03:56:53 hi all Jul 17 03:56:57 I can' Jul 17 03:56:59 I can Jul 17 03:57:01 I can't connet to the internet from 3g, any idea? Jul 17 03:57:02 only wifi work Jul 17 04:01:21 Did you configure your APN right? Jul 17 04:01:31 Per your provider's instruction Jul 17 04:16:44 heh Jul 17 04:17:03 broken cell modem? i had an n900 which had a broken modem Jul 17 04:19:44 ok Jul 17 04:19:47 found it Jul 17 04:19:56 I had to chose game in internet connect Jul 17 04:20:28 can I had MSN protocol Jul 17 04:20:39 I have only skype,gtalk and facebook Jul 17 04:33:18 Is there option to use msn messanger without pidgin? Jul 17 04:33:35 like I do in gtlak and skype? Jul 17 05:36:17 wut? Jul 17 05:38:01 ? Jul 17 05:39:38 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 17 05:40:07 [2013-07-17 06:19:56] I had to chose game in internet connect Jul 17 05:55:58 DocScrutinizer05: most probably he meant the apn he had to choose for 3G had the name "game" Jul 17 05:56:16 a telco misnomer probably ;) Jul 17 06:06:15 ok Jul 17 06:06:17 ye Jul 17 06:06:19 yes, it work now Jul 17 06:06:25 If I want to had msn messanger in im connect Jul 17 06:06:37 what shuld I install? Jul 17 06:06:41 dose it use pidgin? Jul 17 06:07:11 sorry if I ask , I am new in maemo Jul 17 06:17:55 not that I have experience with pidgin on N900, but I've used it on my PC some years ago to replace msn messenger. I'd say go for it Jul 17 06:23:00 ok Jul 17 06:23:12 the im connect uses pidgin? Jul 17 06:23:17 or its internly? Jul 17 06:31:06 Drathir, you should just install msn plugin to connect. haze or pecan. Jul 17 06:31:12 DrCode, Jul 17 06:31:15 sorry Jul 17 06:33:30 wow Jul 17 06:33:32 ok Jul 17 06:33:38 * amin007110 remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... Jul 17 06:33:40 apr-get install ? Jul 17 06:33:52 can u please point me what to install? Jul 17 06:35:59 account-plugin-butterfly and/or telepathy-msn-pecan Jul 17 06:36:19 ok Jul 17 06:36:21 thankyou Jul 17 06:36:34 also "aMSN" is available Jul 17 06:39:20 I realy love maemo, I had android before Jul 17 06:39:21 its much better Jul 17 06:39:42 I don't understand why nokie Jul 17 06:40:27 amin007110 remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... <--- Doesn't that always happen with technology? as our machines gets more intelligent, we end up turning a blind eye towards things :) Jul 17 06:42:05 psycho_oreos, Yes. Jul 17 06:43:59 * psycho_oreos recalls one of Albert Einstein's quote: "It has become appaulingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Jul 17 06:46:18 :) Jul 17 07:36:59 hi all Jul 17 07:37:11 I want to flash n900 Jul 17 07:37:33 I don't see emmc vanila with pr1.3 Jul 17 07:37:35 only 1.2? Jul 17 07:37:58 do I need to flash emmc and then combind for last ver? Jul 17 07:38:18 yeah just use that emmc vanilla (eMMC content 10.2010.13-2); its fine... Jul 17 07:38:41 ok Jul 17 07:38:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Jul 17 07:38:49 follow the guide there:) Jul 17 07:38:49 and then I use combind flash? Jul 17 07:38:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jul 17 07:39:12 that part describes flashing everything back to factory defaults Jul 17 07:39:18 I don't know if to run combind middle east or global Jul 17 07:39:26 always go for global:) Jul 17 07:39:43 read that last link carefully! :) Jul 17 07:40:05 it's a simple process to do, but also simple to screw up Jul 17 07:41:03 the rootfs , I run on n900 itself Jul 17 07:41:23 so I use windows only for flash vanila via usb? Jul 17 07:41:52 you can use whatever OS you desire Jul 17 07:42:31 the rootfs , I run like the vanila? Jul 17 07:42:35 via usb? Jul 17 07:42:41 read the links i gave you Jul 17 07:42:52 everything is explained there in clear and not too difficult english :) Jul 17 07:42:57 ok Jul 17 07:43:03 thankyou Jul 17 07:43:10 no problem, good luck! Jul 17 07:43:28 the middle east will give me arabic and hebrew support? Jul 17 07:43:38 no clue, probably Jul 17 07:44:32 or better to go with global Jul 17 07:53:23 DrCode, you can install any language support over global. no worry. Jul 17 08:24:24 DrCode, for flashing, I just followed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54KdLvTA2U Jul 17 08:25:11 It's nice as he shows the computer screen _and_ N900. You can see when to connect the thing, when to push U, what to expect to happen at what point Jul 17 08:37:19 full battery charge is anther important thing or it may fail at 20% or so. Jul 17 08:37:37 it works fine with a 50% charged battery Jul 17 08:45:05 Ideally its good to keep N900 fully charged as flashing severely drains the battery, last thing you want is to gamble on luck between a bricked device and a fully functioning device. Jul 17 09:26:18 except its just nonsense to say you need 100% Jul 17 09:26:32 that only really applies if you screw up flashing and need to flash about 50 times Jul 17 09:27:08 might as well say you need a backup diesel engine in case the power dies Jul 17 10:22:44 I can't connect to msn messanger Jul 17 10:22:50 any idea? Jul 17 11:16:46 Then again, nothing wrong with suggesting to have full charge instead :) Jul 17 11:17:06 Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? Jul 17 11:36:45 Do original Nokia repositories have any mirror? Jul 17 11:42:52 Doubt it. Jul 17 11:46:12 At least not official mirrors. I think a few of us (within maemo) community may have private copies of it though. Jul 17 11:46:36 i think they're mirrored on skeiron Jul 17 11:47:06 I meant officials. Jul 17 11:47:17 i doubt nokia knows what a repository is Jul 17 11:47:27 lol Jul 17 11:48:04 hi all Jul 17 11:48:06 I have install msn messanger , I can't connect to msn Jul 17 11:48:08 any idea? Jul 17 11:48:35 nokia probably no longer cares to know what a repository is anyway :). Jul 17 11:48:52 DrCode, Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? Jul 17 11:49:20 But it seems skeiron have not updated since 26 Dec. Jul 17 11:49:26 Hmmmm...? Jul 17 11:50:21 Any copy is better than none, no> Jul 17 11:50:28 s/>/?/ Jul 17 11:50:29 psycho_oreos meant: Any copy is better than none, no? Jul 17 11:50:43 DrCode, also check msn login webpage for any restrictions that may have applied. Jul 17 11:51:04 ok Jul 17 11:51:14 the plugin need to work? Jul 17 11:51:20 psycho_oreos, Of Course. Jul 17 11:52:34 That's being pretty vague DrCode Jul 17 11:53:37 I am using account-plugin-butterfly Jul 17 12:35:46 Have you tried pecan? have you tried haze? have you tried using pidgin or even amsn? Jul 17 13:18:34 Lava_Croft: better always have new phone charged to full, because isnt good known in behaviours... Jul 17 13:19:04 nonsense without any arguments beyond "i heard/i read/jesus told me" Jul 17 13:30:00 not really if battery is broken... Jul 17 13:31:04 broken batter is a non-standard situation Jul 17 13:31:38 a sufficiently broken battery also wont cut it:) Jul 17 13:31:48 (yes, i understand the need of 'being safe') Jul 17 14:23:49 * amin007110 is thinking about "Does anyone else have a plastic bag full of other plastic bags somewhere in their house or is it just me?" Jul 17 14:26:54 hey :) Jul 17 14:27:16 i would like to ask are there new machine that use maemo? Jul 17 14:27:20 or last was n900? Jul 17 14:27:23 from nokia Jul 17 14:27:31 * psycho_oreos has some fancy container for other plastic bags (which are tied up). The purpose of these other bags are mainly for reuse as rubbish bin liners. Jul 17 14:28:05 There's no new maemo. Apart from meego which had n9{50}, those were it from nokia. Jul 17 14:28:17 thanks! Jul 17 14:29:02 nokia chose to abandon the maemo project, if you haven't read the news about nokia signing a deal with microsoft which happened ages ago. Jul 17 14:31:59 i have Jul 17 14:32:06 but i was hoping for new hardware Jul 17 14:32:13 yet using n900 :) Jul 17 14:32:23 and was hoping for new machine :) Jul 17 14:32:37 okey, thank you! hope for new future for maemo project! :) Jul 17 14:32:43 good luck folks! Jul 17 14:51:16 that's cute. Jul 17 14:51:43 amin007110: yeah, same here. Jul 17 15:01:17 (([2013-07-17 11:26:18] except its just nonsense to say you need 100%)) how many users _you_ talked thru alien charging their battery after they messed a day with flashing? Jul 17 15:01:23 OK, then please shut up Jul 17 15:02:07 * Lava_Croft chuckles at the excited nerd Jul 17 15:06:29 I admit that most cases of low battery and thus flashing failing were caused by fux0red rootfs which did not charge at all to begin with Jul 17 15:07:53 let me put it this way: any other instruction was way more complicated to transport and to follow Jul 17 15:08:38 >>use lshal|grep batter-voltage and see if voltage is >3860mV< You have to "dumb" things down for those who don't want to know there are alternative choices. By complicating them with the myriad of things that could go wrong they'll end up worrying I suppose. Jul 17 15:11:39 Besides, the remaining maemo users are really those that knows their stuff, except for a few new ones here and there. Jul 17 15:11:58 >>smoking and fire at gasstation forbidden in distance less than 2,5m from your own as well as other cars, during filling in gasoline<< ?? Jul 17 15:13:02 NO WAY, >>NO SMOKING! NO FIRE!<< period Jul 17 15:13:08 That is some really broken English lol. Jul 17 15:13:37 i just smoke while filling up my car Jul 17 15:13:58 chances are higher some asshole parks his car in mine Jul 17 15:14:18 and you're free to flash your N900 while connected battery inputs to 230V Jul 17 15:15:35 * amin007110 is thinking about adding "NO SMOKING" to the channel topic. HeHe :D Jul 17 15:16:01 * DocScrutinizer05 just lighted his morning coffee cigarette Jul 17 15:16:51 "Here lies the beloved N900, fried due to human stupidity." :( lol Jul 17 15:18:25 Lava_Croft: of course you're right Jul 17 15:19:03 both with flashing and gas station. But lusers are better in following crisp terse black&white instructions Jul 17 15:19:25 best in ALL UPPERCASE Jul 17 15:20:03 they tend to ignore and thus learn by their own anyway Jul 17 15:20:43 Thankfully its pretty hard to brick N900 :) Jul 17 15:20:49 yes Jul 17 15:23:51 Lava_Croft: and there been actually gasheads that tried to check filling of their 5L plastic reserve tank by holing a lighter to it to see how high gasoline inside is Jul 17 15:27:39 there also been actuall fires at normal tanking, not caused by smoking but first of all by an ancient fuel nozzle that didn't suck away the gas/vapor coming out of the tank, and then the lady had nylon clothes and first thing she touched after leaving the car and rubbing to the mohair seat been exactly that nozzle surrounded by a huge gas cloud. Then of course in panic she removed the nozzle from her car's tank *without closing it* Jul 17 15:29:41 rest is splatter movie Jul 17 15:30:24 DocScrutinizer05: if you close it, the fire stops almost immediately, right? Jul 17 15:30:30 there's no oxygen coming in Jul 17 15:30:31 right Jul 17 15:30:39 * psycho_oreos imagines some taliban is probably listening to this ;) Jul 17 15:31:08 lol Jul 17 15:31:45 everything is possible Jul 17 15:31:56 but combining irssi and speex doesn't sound like a particularly good idea Jul 17 15:32:28 errwut? irssi and speex? Jul 17 15:32:33 to listen to this Jul 17 15:32:40 ugh Jul 17 15:32:56 espeak Jul 17 15:33:01 oh right Jul 17 15:33:08 well Jul 17 15:33:14 you might as well compress it with speex Jul 17 15:33:21 it's a human-y voice Jul 17 15:33:32 yes, but that still earns you spam k-line Jul 17 15:34:27 aw, i can't send a NUL with xchat apparently Jul 17 15:34:28 bitrate of speex is still in the range of 5kbps iirc Jul 17 15:34:32 or, rather, i can't type a NUL in os x Jul 17 15:35:03 bin2hex Jul 17 15:35:14 *base64 Jul 17 15:35:21 but no, i wanted to type an actual NUL Jul 17 15:35:23 ascii85? Jul 17 15:35:31 yeah, better but still k-line Jul 17 15:35:33 i wonder how IRC handles them Jul 17 15:35:43 jaska: irc doesn't have to be ascii printable Jul 17 15:35:53 Jul 17 15:35:56 for instance, ☃ Jul 17 15:35:58 well, i guess you could just escape nuls and linefeeds Jul 17 15:36:50 you *might get away with 7to8 and escaped special bytes Jul 17 15:40:31 * amin007110 is Erasing CMT. No Smoking Please :D Jul 17 15:51:26 DocScrutinizer05: lit. Jul 17 15:52:02 hi teotwaki :-) Jul 17 15:52:35 heya Jul 17 15:52:37 my grumpiness suffers when you're around so rarely :-D Jul 17 15:53:37 actually I seem to have turned into a sissi during last year or so Jul 17 15:54:26 but might as well be related to this damn council job Jul 17 15:54:29 how so? You changed? Jul 17 15:54:33 * teotwaki didn't notice. Jul 17 15:54:39 :) Jul 17 15:54:51 I think I didn't kick anybody the whole year Jul 17 15:54:59 not true Jul 17 15:55:37 The german or polak, Estel_, or whatever country his passport bears. Jul 17 15:55:49 I tried a few times, but they already left channel when I was ready ;-P Jul 17 15:56:06 ohyeah Jul 17 15:56:07 getting rusty :) Jul 17 15:56:45 how's life at your end? Jul 17 15:57:17 going well :) Jul 17 15:57:25 pleased to hear that Jul 17 15:57:26 * teotwaki iz an architect nao. Jul 17 15:57:39 sw architect I hope Jul 17 15:57:47 or at least network Jul 17 15:57:52 sw Jul 17 15:57:55 obviously. Jul 17 15:57:58 I draw like shit. Jul 17 15:58:18 hehe Jul 17 15:58:21 i want to strangle the architect who drew my work offices <.< Jul 17 15:58:27 * DocScrutinizer05 needs a second coffee Jul 17 16:01:40 another Jul 17 16:01:52 * amin007110 is running away to save his life from being strangled when saw discussion get into architecture (almost building architecture)! Jul 17 16:02:01 * DocScrutinizer05 should learn to talk COBOL or maybe VB Jul 17 16:03:19 teotwaki: so no more coding monkey business? Jul 17 16:04:13 Jul 17 16:04:22 'and dt.successCounter <> 0 ' . Jul 17 16:04:24 'and dt.identifier regexp "' . implode('$|', $_queues) . '$";'; Jul 17 16:04:26 $this->temporary["{$name}_average_contact_time"] = _sql_get_array($stats_sql, $query, 'duration'); Jul 17 16:04:28 I'll let you guess? Jul 17 16:05:31 hehe Jul 17 16:05:39 if the $_queues comes from a bad source?:) Jul 17 16:06:22 wtf is that? perl? java? Jul 17 16:06:27 lol Jul 17 16:06:29 I wish Jul 17 16:06:30 php i guess Jul 17 16:06:31 PHP. Jul 17 16:06:39 aah, I forgot. Right Jul 17 16:06:42 looks ugly enough to be perl.. but worse, so its php Jul 17 16:06:43 jaska: can't come from a bad source. Jul 17 16:07:16 also, all the _sql functions clean everything up. Jul 17 16:07:36 ah, im just in the habit of binding anything i can Jul 17 16:08:00 oooh right, I had a few "issues" in our voting interface that need urgent inspection Jul 17 16:08:20 PHP5 line 90: index invalid Jul 17 16:08:21 never did more than 1 line of php Jul 17 16:08:39 Woody14619: could you look into this? Jul 17 16:09:32 is PHP particularly prone to exploits? Jul 17 16:09:41 i'd guess it is Jul 17 16:09:55 depends on the coder Jul 17 16:10:04 sure, as usual Jul 17 16:10:29 but still e.g. pascal is less prone to buffer overflows that c Jul 17 16:10:33 than* Jul 17 16:10:57 and I guess PHP is particularly prone to exploits via malformed HTTP GET Jul 17 16:11:01 PHP is shitfuckstupid language Jul 17 16:11:10 no, not at all Doc Jul 17 16:11:24 ooh, good Jul 17 16:11:27 :-) Jul 17 16:12:21 ahh, they removed register_globals :D Jul 17 16:12:34 The worst part about PHP is how every nonplussed dumb fuck who hasn't taken the time to learn something else than PHP feels empowered and knowledgeable enough to call PHP the best language in the world and get all sanctimonious and religious about it. Jul 17 16:13:17 I'd tend to accept that as proven Jul 17 16:13:34 :nod: Jul 17 16:13:56 that drawer of mine is labeled "web programmers" Jul 17 16:13:56 php is hardly a programming language Jul 17 16:14:20 kerum: well, that is arguable IMO Jul 17 16:14:35 kerio: ^^^ Jul 17 16:14:36 it has a biohazard sticker too Jul 17 16:14:49 http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ Jul 17 16:14:57 php 5.4.0 shipped with 82 FAILING tests in the testsuite Jul 17 16:15:02 probably one of the best analyses of PHP. Jul 17 16:15:09 teotwaki: http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/ Jul 17 16:15:16 only 82? \o/ Jul 17 16:15:46 just reading off the current home page for that subreddit... Jul 17 16:15:54 NULL can't be decremented but it can be incremented Jul 17 16:16:05 assignment has priority over boolean operators Jul 17 16:16:16 the Singapore timezone doesn't work Jul 17 16:16:24 aaa NULL++ = 2 * NULL Jul 17 16:16:41 lol Jul 17 16:16:52 My favourite: "foo" == true, and "foo" == 0... however, 0 != true Jul 17 16:17:56 that shit ain't normal, but in PHP it is. Jul 17 16:17:59 Meth: Not even once. Jul 17 16:18:04 \o\ \o/ /o/ /o\ \o/ /o\ \o/ /o\ \o/ Jul 17 16:18:08 infinite loops sometimes segfault Jul 17 16:18:41 null can be incremented Jul 17 16:18:43 im rolling on the floor Jul 17 16:19:46 Datetime::add returns the DateTime object so you can chain adds Jul 17 16:19:46 jaska: feels like moving far end of a wormhole thru void space, no? ;-P Jul 17 16:19:50 but it returns FALSE on failure Jul 17 16:20:01 and you can't trycatch it because it's a fatal error Jul 17 16:20:13 with unicorns puking rainbows Jul 17 16:20:28 +"str" is 0, and so is -"str" Jul 17 16:21:21 and you wonder why we're doomed at techstaff? Jul 17 16:21:42 whole maemo infra basing 80% on PHP crap Jul 17 16:22:07 or rather, on midgard plugins for PHP Jul 17 16:22:08 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.decontextualize.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/php-loose-comparisons.png Jul 17 16:22:22 at least it's symmetrical Jul 17 16:22:40 but it's not transitive :( Jul 17 16:22:52 * DocScrutinizer05 already feels nausea even without looking at random .png Jul 17 16:23:06 it's the table for == Jul 17 16:23:23 * DocScrutinizer05 prefers looking at goatse Jul 17 16:23:31 ;-P Jul 17 16:23:32 hahahaha, fgetcsv() and fputcsv() were added in the same php version Jul 17 16:23:36 and they're incompatible with each other Jul 17 16:23:51 ROTFL Jul 17 16:25:04 fgetcsv() parses \" as " Jul 17 16:25:09 fputcsv() uses quote doubling Jul 17 16:25:25 with no backslashes Jul 17 16:25:25 pputcsv Jul 17 16:25:31 ... Jul 17 16:27:38 string strstr ( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, bool $before_needle = false ] ) Jul 17 16:27:47 oh come on this has to be intentional Jul 17 16:33:04 Calling dba_nextkey() on a dbm object before calling dba_firstkey() on it causes a segfault. Jul 17 16:45:20 * amin007110 believes that two things define you. Your patience when you have nothing, and your attitude when you have everything. :) Jul 17 16:48:37 ROTFLBUHAAAAMUHAAAHAAA @ >> @fopen('http://example.com/not-existing-file', 'r');<< in http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ Jul 17 16:49:55 this one paragraph alone should be enough to detect php as malware in any spamchecker and antivir program Jul 17 16:51:04 to be fair, this is configuration dependent (not defending php in general :P). Jul 17 16:51:49 NIN101: that's exactly what this paragraph is bashing, along with non-defined error behaviour Jul 17 16:52:08 well, it's defined: "it doesn't work" Jul 17 16:56:05 ok. now i'm convinced, php==/facepalm Jul 17 17:16:54 priceless!! >>PHP’s parser refers to e.g. :: internally as T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM<< Jul 17 17:17:30 i shouldn't've linked /r/lolphp to doc Jul 17 17:47:07 BWAHAHAgaspHAcough >>0x0+2 produces 4. The parser considers the 2 as both part of the hex literal and a separate decimal literal, treating this as 0x002 + 2. 0x0+0x2 displays the same problem. Strangely, 0x0 +2 is still 4, but 0x0+ 2 is correctly 2. (This is fixed in PHP 5.4. But it’s also re-broken in PHP 5.4, with the new 0b literal prefix: 0b0+1 produces 2.)<< Jul 17 17:48:43 now this is real porn for sarcastic old grumpy men who know about their 40 years of reading code Jul 17 17:49:40 and about idiots from high school who think they know how to write programming languages Jul 17 17:58:23 DocScrutinizer05, Look into what exactly? (from: Woody14619: could you look into this? ) Jul 17 17:58:51 index error in line 90 in vote.php Jul 17 17:59:14 somewhere in foo/bar/*error*.log Jul 17 17:59:34 prolly maemo_html_error.log Jul 17 18:00:09 somebody probably tried to bruteforce with wrong vote indexes or tsth Jul 17 18:00:11 sth Jul 17 18:00:56 I'd just like somebody with a clue have a look at it, so we don't run into another vulnerability Jul 17 18:01:02 Very likely (may have even been me, frankly...) Not a huge issue, but will look at it and put a check in next chance I get. Jul 17 18:01:17 thanks Jul 17 18:01:39 Mailing myself so I don't drop it now. ;) Jul 17 18:01:44 there been like several 100s of identical error lines / second in logs Jul 17 18:02:27 not that we wouldn't have same problem of spamming by bogus error lines by that "can't write to object" Jul 17 18:02:54 but I checked that and considered it nothing worse than an annoyance Jul 17 19:45:11 DocScrutinizer51: is there any particular JTAG cable you would recommend for best free software compatbility/drivers/support? Jul 17 19:46:47 err, nope Jul 17 20:03:32 hmm, Luke-Jr :) Jul 17 20:03:52 RT-AC66U, RT-N66U, RT-AC56U, RT-N56U, RT-N14U, RT-N16 of ASUS vulnerable Jul 17 20:04:09 (routers) Jul 17 20:04:39 deactivate AiCloud Jul 17 20:06:25 windows media player cross-site vulnerability: http://privatepaste.com/6b9dc7ef91 Jul 17 20:06:34 sorry for gernam language Jul 17 20:06:43 German even Jul 17 20:22:42 * brolin_empey needs a hexadecimal file editor for Maemo 5 but he cannot install the hexedit package because the package file is not found in the APT repository. Jul 17 20:28:57 there's something named bless Jul 17 20:34:48 dang Jul 17 20:34:57 brolin_empey: maybe try mc? Jul 17 20:35:16 mc is pretty comprehensive Jul 17 20:35:25 incl hex-edit I'd guess Jul 17 20:37:06 DocScrutinizer05: I tried mcedit but I could not find a way to switch to hexadecimal mode. Jul 17 20:37:12 err dang, mc has no hexedit??? Jul 17 20:37:24 yeah, just doing same Jul 17 20:42:51 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2003-May/msg00003.html Jul 17 20:44:12 in a nutshell: F3, F4, F2 Jul 17 20:44:35 F3 to view file, F4 to hex, F2 to enable editing Jul 17 20:45:32 works on N900 Jul 17 20:45:42 brolin_empey: ^^^ Jul 17 20:46:14 :-) Jul 17 20:49:17 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/17/plasma-desktopCz3743.png Jul 17 20:51:41 (all of above in mc, not mcedit) Jul 17 20:53:45 to create a new file you probably first need to create *something* you can view with F3, prior to switching to hex (F4) and then edit (F2). directly opeing new file with shift-F2 will obviously fail to offer hexedit mode Jul 17 20:54:38 what is F4 on N900? ;) Jul 17 20:54:46 esc 4 Jul 17 20:55:07 ;-) Jul 17 20:55:39 by default? or you hafta remap keyboard? Jul 17 20:55:41 gets tricky with F11 Jul 17 20:55:48 by default Jul 17 20:55:59 F10 == esc 0 Jul 17 20:56:41 actually by readln() Jul 17 20:56:42 i did see those before somewhere, but they don't appear to work in htop at least Jul 17 20:56:45 I guess Jul 17 20:56:56 err Jul 17 20:58:11 right, htop doesn't work Jul 17 21:01:00 will try it on others Jul 17 21:01:20 I think it's some weird semi-standard Jul 17 21:01:40 as on some level of input stack F1 is sth like ESC~1 Jul 17 21:01:52 but timing is relevant Jul 17 21:02:29 X11 then translates this to "F11" Jul 17 21:03:13 so it probably depends on the input mode the program uses Jul 17 21:03:43 disclaimer: all of the last few lines is wild guessing Jul 17 21:04:05 ;) Jul 17 21:04:25 i did remap my keyboard for the Function keys though Jul 17 21:04:35 for sure the better way Jul 17 21:05:23 I honestly never really realized since most of the time I access N900 via ssh and proper 114key kbd on PC Jul 17 21:05:57 usefulness of htop on N900 screen is limited anyway Jul 17 21:06:15 yeah. well for me it's the other way round.. i access almost everything on N900 Jul 17 21:06:31 limited? well, i find it very useful Jul 17 21:07:05 hmm, it's too cluttered Jul 17 21:07:39 for particular tasks like killing a process you first want to spot which one, it's sure great Jul 17 21:09:42 doing proper key-remapping is on my todo list nevertheless (since years) Jul 17 21:10:37 vi created a really nice one. i just edited a few parts of it Jul 17 21:16:32 yeah, and I have to admit I probably dunno where to find it Jul 17 21:16:52 wiki .. i can lookup the url . Jul 17 21:17:06 ~seen vi_ Jul 17 21:17:12 vi_ <~vi_@87.19.113.87.dyn.plus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 113d 21h 57m 13s ago, saying: '~smite infobot'. Jul 17 21:17:13 ~seen vi__ Jul 17 21:17:13 vi__ <~Thunderbi@proxy.ei-info.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 6h 53m 5s ago, saying: 'Lava_Croft: It is Friday. Have a beer.'. Jul 17 21:18:42 ha! Jul 17 21:18:43 DocScrutinizer05: any idea what voltage(s) the OpenMoko debug board JTAG will work at? or if it's still available to buy anywhere? Jul 17 21:19:15 check goldelico and pulster. Voltage should be pretty standard Jul 17 21:19:22 there is no standard AFAIK :| Jul 17 21:19:29 however check schematics Jul 17 21:19:37 I don't comprehend schematics Jul 17 21:19:41 ooh Jul 17 21:19:55 so lemme have a look Jul 17 21:19:59 DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Jul 17 21:20:12 tnx Jul 17 21:20:25