**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 18 02:59:58 2013 Jul 18 03:01:15 buildin works great with gmail and imap, but search something more powerfull one.... Jul 18 03:01:40 http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-google-owns-you/ Jul 18 03:12:04 http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=8 Jul 18 03:13:56 DocScrutinizer05: sadly only one way is have own server with email client on encrypted connection :/ Jul 18 03:17:08 or forget about idiotic imap and use proper pop3 which is made to *transport* mail, not act as a weird mutated webmailer Jul 18 03:18:52 imap is like having a phonecall to my secretary in the office, asking her to read out loud my mails for me Jul 18 03:21:09 I mean how naive can you be to trust a company in storing your maximum important and private data for you, for free? Jul 18 03:29:44 is no difference between pop3 or imap in booth case emaills go throught google servers, but imap is more faster and easy to use, idk how can back to pop3 again... only one option to secure is pgp mails, but ppl sadly dont use this often... Jul 18 03:33:09 every company has a business model. The more obvious the model, the better for you as their client. Paying for service is the most straight business concept. Google tells you they do sth for free for you, but actually you pay with your data and all sorts of other info they gather about you, so they can make money out of your attention. Attention is a valuable good in internet. But then, when they don't like you anymore, or when anything Jul 18 03:33:11 unforeseen happens, they don't really care much about you as their customer, and since their service is for free, it's also free of any kind of warranty Jul 18 03:36:31 oops we locked your account, oops we deleted *all* your data. Too bad, but you're free to create a new account, even for free. of course not with your old mail addr, and of course we can't recover your files in google docs, or your photos or whatever else you used to store at our servers Jul 18 03:42:59 there's several freemailers. AFAIK only google explicitly reserves the right to *read* every of your mails and to use it for their own purposes, whatever those are Jul 18 03:46:09 when NSA does that, you all are upset. Google you're not worried? You believe in "do no evil" nonsense google spreads about their own policy? Jul 18 03:47:29 thats why better have own server with backups... Jul 18 03:49:05 anyway and if this is possible situated near own bed hrhr Jul 18 03:49:58 DocScrutinizer05: google could sacrifice my firstborn to satan and i'd be ok with it Jul 18 03:50:09 gmail is just so good Jul 18 03:50:14 :3 Jul 18 03:51:39 i dont know any better solution to gmail... Jul 18 03:56:05 with milions of accounts noone will read person mails and from BB way betterloosing data than someone take it...BB=BlackBerry and connected with device lock x bad try to unlock and device data go wiped... Jul 18 03:56:23 yeah, I dunno how people survived before gmal got invented Jul 18 03:57:27 with millions of webpages nobody will index all of them Jul 18 03:58:19 s hush mail, but that isnt permanent and if not mail sending account go to delate after xx days if good remember... Jul 18 03:58:52 DocScrutinizer05: waybackmashine... Jul 18 03:59:53 for mails pgp/gpg s solution to secure them... Jul 18 04:00:18 is* Jul 18 04:02:14 jk4, ping Jul 18 04:17:06 psycho_oreos: hi Jul 18 04:30:26 jk4, found a copy of that joikuspot package (1.2.2) Jul 18 04:40:04 DocScrutinizer05: hotmail Jul 18 04:40:10 or another free mail service Jul 18 04:40:12 or something from your ISP Jul 18 05:04:41 psycho_oreos: cool Jul 18 05:05:06 link? email? Jul 18 06:09:38 hi all Jul 18 06:10:00 Mail For Exchange dosn't support multi account ? Jul 18 06:10:07 is there solution ? Jul 18 06:14:07 dont use mfe is a solution to all problems Jul 18 06:14:18 ok Jul 18 06:14:22 hi Lava_Croft Jul 18 06:14:29 what I can use ? Jul 18 06:14:50 I want to sync clender , mail and so Jul 18 06:15:16 i sync via gcal using erminig Jul 18 06:15:23 for mail, idk Jul 18 06:15:51 mfe doesnt always work very well, but if it does, hooray :) Jul 18 06:16:02 I see Jul 18 06:16:15 what is idk and erminig? how I can install them? Jul 18 06:16:19 stuff like syncing to other services etc is a bit iffy on N900 Jul 18 06:16:27 idk is i dont know Jul 18 06:16:35 erminig is in the repos Jul 18 06:16:44 ok Jul 18 06:16:49 thankyou Jul 18 06:17:04 I read someone install IMAP server(dovcot) Jul 18 06:17:14 mybe it has support for multi account Jul 18 06:17:24 people do all kinds of things to the poor N900 ! Jul 18 06:17:27 :) Jul 18 06:17:35 yes Jul 18 06:17:41 U are using gmail in maemo? Jul 18 06:17:52 gmail in maemo email client, yes Jul 18 06:18:05 it works kind of ok Jul 18 06:18:09 with mfe? Jul 18 06:18:15 or there is gmail client? Jul 18 06:18:44 gmail works out of the box with modest, the maemo5 email client Jul 18 06:19:18 I mean u configure modeset via MFE? Jul 18 06:19:43 no Jul 18 06:19:55 configure gmail in modest, no mfe required Jul 18 06:20:04 wow, I see Jul 18 06:20:19 it come with maemo or I need to install it? Jul 18 06:20:22 mfe is really only needed for microsoft email or maybe syncing to gal Jul 18 06:20:27 its the email app Jul 18 06:20:31 dose it support multi account , like gmail and exchange? Jul 18 06:20:32 click the @ icon Jul 18 06:20:43 exchange wants mfe, iirc Jul 18 06:20:48 i dont use it Jul 18 06:20:53 ok Jul 18 06:20:53 I see Jul 18 06:21:08 so I can use mfe for exchange and modset for gmail ? Jul 18 06:21:14 sure Jul 18 06:21:17 i guess:) Jul 18 06:21:17 o Jul 18 06:21:22 try! Jul 18 06:21:25 ok Jul 18 06:21:26 thankyou, now its more clear Jul 18 06:21:39 half of your N900's goodness comes from trying :) Jul 18 06:21:45 yes Jul 18 06:22:11 I have some java appliction that I would like to run Jul 18 06:22:18 dose it have jre? Jul 18 06:22:45 it has some implementation of java related stuff, but idk much about it Jul 18 06:23:01 microemulator, phoneme Jul 18 06:23:10 those are both related to java Jul 18 06:24:50 ok Jul 18 06:24:56 thnkyou Jul 18 09:26:38 why do people reg. tmo accounts only to use the PM system... Jul 18 09:27:30 they're just shy Jul 18 10:51:05 DocScrutinizer05: google > m$ Jul 18 10:51:58 DrCode: why you dont use builitin maemo mail client? Jul 18 10:54:30 hi all Jul 18 10:54:50 I am looking for replacemanet for qtwaze, is there google mape for maemo? Jul 18 10:57:09 try marble. It's not google maps, but it's opensource. Jul 18 10:57:15 Based on openstreetmaps Jul 18 10:57:32 םל Jul 18 10:57:34 ok Jul 18 10:57:36 thankyou Jul 18 10:57:51 Supports routing and downloading map data for offline use. Jul 18 10:58:11 ok Jul 18 10:58:31 When downloading the offline data, don't go into too detailed zoom level (16, 17) just for fun or it will download really lot of data. Jul 18 10:58:38 where can I check there site , if thay have map support? Jul 18 10:58:57 www.openstreetmap.org Jul 18 10:59:09 See what kind of map they have on the area you are interested. Jul 18 10:59:24 (I'm semi active openstreetmap mapper btw :) ) Jul 18 11:00:48 nice Jul 18 11:01:13 I can install marble with apt-get install marble and download openstreetmap offline? Jul 18 11:04:18 Once you are on marble, you scroll the map to the area you want to download Jul 18 11:04:40 wow nice Jul 18 11:04:52 dose it have voice vocal , in multi lang? Jul 18 11:05:45 It does not have voice guidance Jul 18 11:06:52 @all: Why does my N900 change the location server always back to supl.nokia.com after restarts? the GPS is really bad getting fix without tha agps data. I always need to change to supl.google.com (btw other alternatives?) Jul 18 11:09:35 To download map data for offline use, just clik on the top bar, download region, either a route (if you have one active) or visible region (my usual choice) and then select the zoom level. Jul 18 11:09:56 It does display the amount of data to be downloaded based on your selections, so you can see the difference the zoom makes. Jul 18 11:12:15 Apparently limited to zoom level 16. This is example of the detail available in zoom 16 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.17014&lon=24.93391&zoom=16&layers=M (downtown helsinki, capital of finland) Jul 18 11:15:01 ok Jul 18 11:15:01 thankyou Jul 18 11:59:26 DrCode: also try modRana Jul 18 11:59:34 DrCode: it has voice guidance :) Jul 18 12:01:09 or even stock maps :P Jul 18 12:01:48 used in conjunction with OM Voice Server, it's not bad Jul 18 12:20:43 wow, that's weird ... to highlight [2013-07-18 12:57:32] ‬‏ םל Jul 18 12:22:45 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders about the definition how RTL and LTR text in same line relates to each other Jul 18 12:24:51 lol, interesting. Jul 18 12:25:52 japa-fi: OOOOH :-o you suffer from the SUPL reset pheomenon that I never been able to reproduce Jul 18 12:26:35 to put it straight, I have NFC why that happens Jul 18 12:26:52 might be entangled with your connectivity settings Jul 18 12:27:05 do you frequently swap SIM cards? Jul 18 12:27:26 or have a weird SIM that frequently "roams"? Jul 18 12:27:33 mine resets too .. no SIM swapping Jul 18 12:28:42 Ah... I Have swapped SIMs, haven't checked if that is the issue. Last weekend I was in the middle of nowhere without any coverage from my service provider. Put in my wife's sim (different provider) to be able to access internet.. Jul 18 12:29:09 Will do restart test to see if it stays unaltered when not changing the sim Jul 18 12:29:18 for sure SUPL server is linked to rtcom/SIM account Jul 18 12:30:07 LOL. Didn't remember I had changed the shaking hands to "Don't panic" Jul 18 12:30:50 Yeah, it survived restart. Jul 18 12:30:54 the setting that is. Jul 18 12:31:27 Any other supl servers beside google? Jul 18 12:31:42 I don't like announcing my whole life to google Jul 18 12:31:46 gconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl Jul 18 12:32:23 mine rock solid at Jul 18 12:32:26 port = 7275 Jul 18 12:32:27 server = supl.google.com Jul 18 12:32:34 since >12 months Jul 18 12:33:43 japa-fi: well.... google for supl server free ;-P Jul 18 12:43:57 yeah, google wont mind you giving your location data Jul 18 12:44:10 supl.nsa.gov Jul 18 12:44:44 i swear there's a guy called N1N101 playing Tremulous Jul 18 12:44:52 er NIN Jul 18 12:45:24 nice Jul 18 12:45:34 All 3 major Russian telcos quit selling iPhones Jul 18 12:45:49 regarding yappari, does anyone have an idea if they have plans of open sourcing it? Jul 18 12:46:09 i dont think they can open source it Jul 18 12:46:13 legally Jul 18 12:46:38 isnt the n900/n9 implementation just a hack of some whatsapp application from another platform? Jul 18 12:46:38 uhm, what? Jul 18 12:46:50 or have they come further and actually rewritten from scratch Jul 18 12:46:51 http://openwhatsapp.org/ Jul 18 12:46:53 ah Jul 18 12:46:59 guess they have! :D Jul 18 12:47:39 its not like its a hard protocol too Jul 18 12:47:47 04Primary01SuplServer=supl.google.com wow! Jul 18 12:47:48 imo whatsapp is junk Jul 18 12:47:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80287 Jul 18 12:48:53 Lava_Croft: you can always dump source somewhere... legal or not Jul 18 12:48:58 (unrelated) Jul 18 12:49:19 Wizzup: yeah, now thats a good practice:P Jul 18 12:49:22 not Jul 18 12:50:52 sure it is :) Jul 18 12:51:12 respecting open source inherently means respecting closed source Jul 18 12:51:33 * Wizzup will settle for agree to disagree Jul 18 12:51:42 yeah, double standards are no stranger in the world of open source Jul 18 12:51:51 What's the best application for tracking phone usage. Ie, number of calls + durations and possibly grouping calls on some criterias (prefix etc) Jul 18 12:53:02 Lava_Croft: wanting to free everything is not a double standard Jul 18 12:53:20 you're making way too many assumptions, but I don't have time to educate you here Jul 18 12:53:23 Wizzup: if you expect people to respect one's choice to go with open source, you will have respect one other's choice to go with closed source Jul 18 12:53:39 nope Jul 18 12:53:59 i guess the big companies taught you well then :) Jul 18 12:54:09 fighting fire with fire has always proven to be a great succes :D Jul 18 12:54:14 more assumptions... I'm getting dizzy Jul 18 12:54:28 its a guess, not an assumption, as i stated:) Jul 18 12:55:21 i also want to free everything, but i have to take into account people's rights to make their own choices:) Jul 18 12:55:32 and respect said choices, even if i dont agree Jul 18 12:55:59 forcibly wanting to free everything is a lie Jul 18 12:56:05 you cannot forcibly 'free' anything Jul 18 12:56:12 Lava_Croft: ... you made the argument that they were not able to open the sourcecode because it was ... a hack from another whatsapp application Jul 18 12:56:23 no, i thought it was, as i stated Jul 18 12:56:26 That doesn't stop them from uploading the source somewhere Jul 18 12:56:39 their choice apparently is to not to Jul 18 12:56:43 respect their choice Jul 18 12:56:47 enjoy the free application Jul 18 12:56:50 which is why I won't use it, to protect my privacy Jul 18 12:56:55 please do not use the word free like that. Jul 18 12:56:59 lol Jul 18 12:57:03 another free software extremist? Jul 18 12:57:09 you guys are a cancer Jul 18 12:57:12 bye Jul 18 12:57:52 Have a look at the worlds tiniest open source violin :-) Jul 18 12:58:24 unless you make the same hand movements as Buscemi, its nothing Jul 18 12:58:25 (btw, more assumptions) Jul 18 12:59:49 life is tied together with assumptions Jul 18 13:00:12 ~gsm-agps Jul 18 13:00:13 hmm... rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Jul 18 13:17:51 fuu.. i want to buy n900 camera module but not the whole n900 >:( Jul 18 13:23:22 people might want to make backups of projects they made/use on projects.developer.nokia.com Jul 18 13:23:34 service is ending over the coming months Jul 18 13:58:24 lexxik is kinda weird Jul 18 13:58:59 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders to which hw interface lexxik wants to connect the cam module Jul 18 13:59:39 Too bad lexxik didn't come back. Jul 18 13:59:54 *shrug* Jul 18 14:00:44 maybe he finally did the right thing: googling for "camera module nokia n900" Jul 18 14:04:26 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4767_Original-Nokia-N900-CAMERA-Module-5-Megapixel.html Jul 18 14:06:10 but honestly it's damn hard to interface to this module to make any reasonable use of it, without a supporting controller like... N900 OMAP Jul 18 14:06:27 that saremi is a friend... grew up with the lazy basterd^^ Jul 18 14:06:35 oooh! Jul 18 14:06:42 pretty good shop Jul 18 14:07:21 their original parts seem to be actually *original* Jul 18 14:07:29 they are Jul 18 14:07:59 he is one of the bigger providers of dummies and spare parts for germany Jul 18 14:08:17 :nod: Jul 18 14:08:31 officially recommended by DocS Jul 18 14:08:46 nearly 25euros for a bl5j Jul 18 14:08:48 holy Jul 18 14:08:52 Schechingen is close to Schwäbisch Gmünd, where I grew up, we made contact through facebook again a few years ago Jul 18 14:08:55 that's still cheap Jul 18 14:09:02 compared to street price Jul 18 14:09:13 i got all of mine for less than 10e a piece, original :X Jul 18 14:09:35 anyhow, this shop is indeed nice Jul 18 14:10:25 Lava_Croft: keep in mind that every bl5j... the gradient down from 25eurs expresses the probability of a fake... Jul 18 14:10:49 they arent :) Jul 18 14:10:53 and 10e is probably not original, even with the fancy sticker on Jul 18 14:11:02 dont care for the sticker, care for the place i bought it:) Jul 18 14:11:06 I found another bastard this morning, who sells a 30W (30LED) blue laser cluster for 5000USD, and I *know* this component got ripped out of a video projector that costs 800..1000USD new Jul 18 14:11:23 lol Jul 18 14:11:40 now THATS ripp-off, a BL-5J for 25€ not Jul 18 14:11:45 :) Jul 18 14:11:59 sounds like the people taking apart old cars and selling the parts for lol prices Jul 18 14:12:14 exactly Jul 18 14:12:23 just they are new "cars" here Jul 18 14:12:26 if you need a powerfull electronic pumpimg laser you find a bluray burner and a lens... Jul 18 14:12:29 or the guy that repaired my woman's scooter because the exhaust was broken, replaced the original Yamaha exhaust with a cheap fake and then put our original exhaust on sale Jul 18 14:12:42 he sure ended up having a problem Jul 18 14:12:55 scammers everywhere Jul 18 14:13:38 lol, in Chinese that sort of action can be summed into two words. Too bad there's no English equivalent of it. Jul 18 14:13:55 rather exact English. Jul 18 14:14:04 Apart from so-calling "scamming". Jul 18 14:15:00 I always get happy from seeing pics of a CP-408 Jul 18 14:15:25 even when it wore out, the plastic frame is still rather awesome Jul 18 14:17:27 what's a CP-408? Jul 18 14:18:23 N900 case Jul 18 14:18:30 uh Jul 18 14:18:32 the booklet one Jul 18 14:18:42 never seen Jul 18 14:18:53 http://www.phonesfera.com/files/posted_images/2/nokia_cp_408.jpg Jul 18 14:19:11 hah, nice Jul 18 14:19:15 :) Jul 18 14:19:19 highly recommended Jul 18 14:19:41 even when about 100+ in and out of jeans pocket movements a day, it lasts at least a year:) Jul 18 14:20:17 the button could be tighter, so it opens less easily, but thats an easy fix Jul 18 14:28:44 http://frank.geekheim.de/?p=2379 Jul 18 14:28:46 lovely Jul 18 14:34:35 hmm Pali ping Jul 18 14:34:39 pong Jul 18 14:35:34 Pali, short and sweet, you have the source code to JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko? Jul 18 14:35:51 yes, source is GPL Jul 18 14:36:11 it was (and maybe still is) on joiku website Jul 18 14:36:33 also you can find it in kernel power git tree Jul 18 14:37:35 hmm... i heard that the droid x2 also phones home with credentials... i hope this is not becoming the norm... Jul 18 14:39:18 Pali, thanks, just out of curiousity as I wondered why the actual joikuspot installer wasn't updated to reflect that hence requiring user intervention. I ought to check out those sources first :) took me a bit of time to find out exactly who owned /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko. Jul 18 14:40:04 joikuspot is closed SW and is not in any maemo repository Jul 18 14:40:16 only open source kernel modul is in kernel-power Jul 18 14:40:34 kernel module for stock kernel is also in 3rd joiku deb package Jul 18 14:41:55 Yeah but they forgot to make the installer copy the one for the current power kernel into their own directory. Oh well its their fault for not updating their postinst script it seems :D Jul 18 14:44:27 I sort of wondered why when I tried running insmod on the included kernel module did I　get invalid format or something like that. After searching I found:　http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722065&postcount=21 and the pre-included /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Boucer.ko on my filesystem to load correctly. Jul 18 15:01:01 when you can get 2TB additional storage on your (hosted) dedicated root server, but for same money can get a second dedicated root server with 2TB storage... what would you choose? Jul 18 15:01:48 2nd option Jul 18 15:02:10 :nod: Jul 18 15:02:36 1+some more is still less than 2 Jul 18 15:03:00 particularly since 2nd root server comes with 2nd 20TB/mo traffic Jul 18 15:03:17 hah Jul 18 15:04:38 http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 Jul 18 15:06:33 i think our server is hetzner too Jul 18 15:07:24 ya, it is Jul 18 15:12:49 haha Jul 18 15:12:53 oh wrong channel Jul 18 15:22:55 though I wonder if all the projects in https://projects.developer.nokia.com won't simply move to gitorius or whatever Jul 18 15:24:32 no clue, why would they Jul 18 15:27:44 Be nice if they could. Jul 18 15:28:07 because nokia shuts down Jul 18 15:29:03 and I been wondering ^^^ if we need to provide a new home for https://projects.developer.nokia.com/home/project/explore#action=results&c[]=254_top&f=&numresults=10&page=1&tab=active Jul 18 15:29:26 Might be very good to keep a copy/new home of the maemo5 and 6 stuff Jul 18 15:30:09 but it's hard to see why such git/whatever repo would have to get provided by maemo community Jul 18 15:30:32 right now its hosted by nokia, so that might make sense Jul 18 15:30:35 yeah, I was thinking about backup Jul 18 15:30:41 for the maemo community to take over, that is Jul 18 15:31:04 these are still applications and developers who do work for maemo Jul 18 15:31:10 no matter on what part of nokia they host it Jul 18 15:31:16 do/did Jul 18 15:31:20 59 projects. Jul 18 15:31:57 144 for maemo6 Jul 18 15:32:35 * psycho_oreos wonders where else would nokia host maemo stuff, like they did with their own private repository. Jul 18 15:32:53 i only know of this projects site, apart from the maemo community Jul 18 15:33:34 >>With some sadness we announce that the Nokia Developer Projects service (https://projects.developer.nokia.com) will be discontinued in the following months (due to ongoing trend of low activity and increasing costs). Please backup any project data you wish to save as soon as possible (ideally within the next few weeks). After the service has been stopped all unsaved data will be lost!<< Jul 18 15:33:45 yes Jul 18 15:33:57 aint it strange how there's low activity? Jul 18 15:34:23 aint it strange that we might have to go same path for maemo.org? Jul 18 15:34:26 I think they're just using the running cost as some sort of excuse. Jul 18 15:34:41 well, why would nokia keep hosting this stuff Jul 18 15:34:50 they are all windows now Jul 18 15:35:19 i guess they assume MS can take over this position, since nokia is just a HW manufacturer now Jul 18 15:35:33 apart from some nokia specific lumia apps:P Jul 18 15:35:56 Its not like the maemo project itself is completely dead. There's still people who may like to see in the coming future that these stuff may still be available. Take for instance those two new people to maemo here who just acquired N900. Jul 18 15:36:39 the fact that you have to say 'not completely dead' says it all :) Jul 18 15:37:11 well, more like :( Jul 18 15:37:13 Rather, nokia is seeking measures to get rid of maemo like a completely unwanted/orphaned child project. Jul 18 15:37:19 why wouldnt they? Jul 18 15:37:28 nokia has no interest in it anymore and they are not welfare Jul 18 15:37:36 is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff? Jul 18 15:38:02 have fun with that Jul 18 15:38:05 :P Jul 18 15:38:23 no, i won't Jul 18 15:38:36 I think maybe its a good thing we should all start scrubbing off "nokia" decal on what was once their own devices and probably stop calling it a nokia device. (lol) Jul 18 15:38:45 thats just emo Jul 18 15:38:56 my support for that save&rescue enterprise is strictly limited Jul 18 15:39:06 cant blame nokia, which is a company, for not providing welfare to a deprecated community Jul 18 15:39:11 (in their corporate eyes) Jul 18 15:39:34 i mean, they probably barely have anyone left on the payroll who knows anything about maemo Jul 18 15:39:50 Can't blame them for also making notable profit from meego devices as compared to their windows phones. Jul 18 15:40:02 i dont listen to tommi Jul 18 15:40:40 you can go all emo over nokia ditching maemo, but it wont help any bit besides maybe ruining your own mood:< Jul 18 15:40:49 nokia is a company, not a loving person with feelings Jul 18 15:41:02 even tho it might have felt different at times :| Jul 18 15:41:09 when you're done discussing moral aspects of Nokia behaviour, please advice me what to do on behalf of maemo community Jul 18 15:41:32 Compared to other hardware companies, there are still a fair few of them still host stuff for legacy devices. Jul 18 15:41:57 make a post on tmo, asking users to suggest applications that they consider mandatory Jul 18 15:42:01 give it a week or two Jul 18 15:42:21 anything that is not suggested and doesnt look worthy in anyone's eyes, you ditch and dont backup Jul 18 15:42:33 not all projects there actually have files orso Jul 18 15:42:50 o.O placeholders? Jul 18 15:43:10 for example:| Jul 18 15:43:22 lots of demos too Jul 18 15:43:59 https://projects.developer.nokia.com/speeddial/files/downloads Jul 18 15:44:00 empty Jul 18 15:44:05 https://projects.developer.nokia.com/newsflow/files/downloads is not Jul 18 15:44:38 for example nelisquare is also hosted there, but im fairly certain its already hosted on rmo Jul 18 15:44:54 so what? not only backup but even clean out the empty cruft that doesn't take any considerable space anyway? won't happen Jul 18 15:45:19 then id just back it all up Jul 18 15:45:22 cant possibly be much Jul 18 15:45:37 [2013-07-18 17:37:35] is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff? Jul 18 15:45:39 If there was a method to do that of course. Jul 18 15:45:52 a method to back it up and a method to gauge space Jul 18 15:45:54 df -h :P Jul 18 15:46:03 there are methods, but no storage Jul 18 15:47:13 i dont have the time to check up each page and note the filesizes, heh :< Jul 18 15:47:29 * DocScrutinizer05 neither Jul 18 15:47:51 I guess the only way is to somehow get the tarballs (or whatever it maybe) and then see how much space is needed. I somewhat agree that it can't be much, won't be several hundred gigabytes of data as well I'd bet. Jul 18 15:49:00 I guess someone should ask nokia if its ok to mirror that lot, it'd be faster than manually finding out which projects take up a few bytes and which projects probably has a few hundred MB. Jul 18 15:49:23 available: 287G Jul 18 15:49:53 *shrugs* nokia probably won't even disclose that stuff.. there's probably projects that are marked private with no maintaners active left. Jul 18 15:50:10 yes Jul 18 15:51:20 I'd guess let the users on tmo decide :) its only the best way and see if they can get the maintaners (or maintaners themselves) move the stuff to gitorious, etc. Jul 18 15:52:05 Post a thread to notify that projects.developer.nokia.com will be no more. Jul 18 15:53:28 so these are your options: A) you tell me "this are <200GB" and I ask for somebody to back stuff up to skeiron B) you tell me it's probably more but worth it and I sponsor a EX40 for ~50EUR per month, from donations C) you tell me there's other locations (gitorious) where all that stuff can get migrated by *one* guy who actually takes care this will happen. D) you do none of the former and nothing at all will get done, at least by me Jul 18 15:54:01 last option: backup the apps you use and dont care Jul 18 15:54:25 obvously nonsense option Jul 18 15:54:37 a human option nontheless :| Jul 18 15:54:41 actually included in D) Jul 18 15:55:22 I don't feel like reporting about my *private* activity Jul 18 15:56:22 as far as techstaff/council/me is concerned, it's A) thru D) Jul 18 15:56:59 since on maemo.org IPHH infra we don't have any reasonable free resources for anything like that Jul 18 15:58:05 we have a 3TB free storage, but that's auxiliary Jul 18 15:58:41 I wonder if that news has been sent out to any maintaners whom registered their projects on that site been emailed. Jul 18 15:59:07 yes, obviously Jul 18 15:59:27 I got above cited mail Jul 18 15:59:31 It'd be more sane I suppose to make any remaining maintaners to seek alternative choices where possible. Jul 18 16:00:02 Ahh, I thought that was on their blog or something. Funnily enough they don't make that as some sort of public announcement. Jul 18 16:00:41 By means of making a notice or something when any random public visits the projects page or even blogging it. Jul 18 16:01:16 oops, it not been sent to me, just to chem|st who forwarded it to me in a rather stealth way Jul 18 16:01:28 roaming seems kind of weak on n900 with at&t Jul 18 16:01:35 is there a way to improve roaming Jul 18 16:01:44 or force it use tmobile's network when roaming? Jul 18 16:02:05 on train and it's picking up towers worse than the kindle i brought Jul 18 16:02:50 yes: don't cover antenna in right/bottom end with your palm Jul 18 16:02:57 no joke Jul 18 16:02:59 lol i'm not :/ Jul 18 16:03:06 it's just sitting on the table Jul 18 16:03:08 I don't know what at&t is like but I　guess one could look into hardware hacks. Jul 18 16:04:45 sitting on table might be a cause for poor sensitivity and high battery drain for TX. When it's a metal table (also under the skin which probably is plastic) Jul 18 16:06:55 Maybe have the device facing upside down or use the standard kickstand to try and get better coverage. *shrugs* Jul 18 16:12:18 yes, the latter help Jul 18 16:12:23 s Jul 18 16:14:25 ooh, the mail got sent to me directly as well, even 3 times :-) Jul 18 16:14:41 lol 3 times :D Jul 18 16:15:06 don't seem to be receiving text messages though.. any thoughts? Jul 18 16:15:10 I guess that should give those maintaners (if they are still reading their emails) time to migrate. Jul 18 16:17:16 I dunno.. a very rough guess might be /{home,opt} is full. Jul 18 16:19:22 nope this one is barely used Jul 18 16:20:32 Has the device ever been able to receive text messages? Jul 18 16:21:05 in the past yes Jul 18 16:21:35