**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 25 02:59:58 2013 Jul 25 05:05:34 hi all Jul 25 05:05:40 how do I configure rss widget? Jul 25 05:05:49 HI.. Jul 25 05:06:31 DrCode: what do you mean? Jul 25 05:06:55 I add rss widget Jul 25 05:06:57 but how do I had rss ? Jul 25 05:07:13 can I import from feedly or google rss? Jul 25 05:07:15 rss widget is tied with rss application.. so configure the rss application itself Jul 25 05:07:52 what rss appliction I can use? Jul 25 05:08:06 I am new with n900 Jul 25 05:08:06 sorry Jul 25 05:08:18 is it build in or I need to install? Jul 25 05:08:25 built in.. Jul 25 05:08:36 called just RSS Jul 25 05:08:44 where can I find it? Jul 25 05:08:52 in appliction ? Jul 25 05:08:52 look Jul 25 05:09:09 thankyou Jul 25 06:33:09 hi all Jul 25 06:34:02 is it possible to import google rss into maemo rss? Jul 25 09:40:38 DocScrutinizer05: why can't a blind person... Jul 25 09:40:47 you know, just ask for help? :| Jul 25 11:32:18 jon_y: you need to discuss this with Mr Poettering Jul 25 11:32:53 a sock puppet is more productive :) Jul 25 11:35:56 envy is a painful emotion Jul 25 11:41:37 extracting toe nails is a panful procedire Jul 25 11:42:02 s/ire/ure/ Jul 25 11:42:02 DocScrutinizer05 meant: extracting toe nails is a panful procedure Jul 25 11:42:59 not as painful as seeing people hate on poettering Jul 25 12:07:59 hi all Jul 25 12:08:01 I have extracted and copy easydebian image, how can I run it in maemo? Jul 25 12:08:36 dose it share same env of maemo ? bcz I dont want to break my maemo os Jul 25 12:10:41 DrCode: have you read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian already? Jul 25 12:11:10 and if you don't really understand it, don't feel bad Jul 25 12:11:15 you probably don't need it anyway Jul 25 12:12:25 yes , I read it Jul 25 12:12:45 I have dowload other image Jul 25 12:12:53 not from menu Jul 25 12:18:20 https://srlabs.de/rooting-sim-cards/ \o/ Jul 25 12:24:28 DocScrutinizer05: playing with binary SMS right now, although I've yet to sniff a sample BinSMS from my carrier. Jul 25 12:30:46 DocScrutinizer05: BTW, turns out SIM blanks can be bought rather easily and programmed with a cloned Ki and IMSI. Jul 25 12:31:11 couple that with any rooted Mediatek Android phone, and you've got your very own phone cloning toolkit Jul 25 12:42:16 sure Jul 25 12:42:51 I still have to read out my 1999 SIM which actually *can* get cloned to old classical way I'd hope Jul 25 12:43:32 should do that before the rotten old piece eventually craps out Jul 25 14:41:05 merlin1991: ping Jul 25 14:41:15 DocScrutinizer05: ping Jul 25 14:41:48 RMO is broken Jul 25 14:42:11 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/ is not same as http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ Jul 25 14:47:59 Pali: yes, known issue Jul 25 14:48:27 xes and merlin1991 promised to look into it and eventually fix it Jul 25 14:48:54 ok Jul 25 14:49:11 xes even did an epic work of comparing the two and listing all differences Jul 25 14:49:27 but I haven't heard of xes for the last 3 or so weeks Jul 25 14:49:45 now on TMO somebody who cannot update repositories because of this error Jul 25 14:49:48 but his results are uploaded to maemo.org Jul 25 14:50:04 and I bet there are lot of people which have this problem... Jul 25 14:50:37 I know, but I already gave up. I can't do anything about it, we have too few and too inactive maintainers Jul 25 14:51:47 DocScrutinizer05: it is problem to run? $ mv fremantle-1.3 fremantle-1.3-old && ln -s fremantle fremantle-1.3 Jul 25 14:52:09 or is there some scripts which touching also fremantle-1.3 dir? Jul 25 14:52:23 I wouldn't know what to do, except a) watch maemo.org go over the cliff during next max 2 months, due to irrecoverable bitrot, or b) shut it down right away to stop bitrot so we might eventually recover when the manpower is available Jul 25 14:53:33 Pali: I'm simply tired of deciding and even doing all that on my own (responsibility and evaluation) Jul 25 14:54:56 and I'm even more tired of guys rushing over it and rendering it even more broken, while not communicating what they plan to do or did, not to ask for discussing those actiones prior to doing them Jul 25 14:56:13 I admit I'm clueless what to do Jul 25 14:56:49 not only about rmo schizophrenia Jul 25 14:58:01 maybe I should put up a frontpage "DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE. MAINTAINERS WANTED!" Jul 25 14:59:12 last time I shut down www.m.o nobody even complained for 24h, it probably went unnoticed Jul 25 14:59:21 yep. I guess you should Jul 25 17:43:08 hello everyone. can anyone tell me how to disable hardware slide to unlock button ? Jul 25 17:43:27 mine i don't know its damaged or not but its keeps unlocking and locking device Jul 25 17:44:40 here is the thread at TMO if anyone wants to give it a look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1362051 Jul 25 17:48:03 panjgoori: look at /etc/mce/mce.ini config file Jul 25 17:48:05 lock slide button is handled by mce Jul 25 17:56:27 thanks Pali. will give it a look now. Jul 25 18:19:29 @Pali: which settings in mce.ini do i have to edit in order to disable hardware slide to unlock ? Jul 25 18:19:43 I do not know now Jul 25 18:19:55 read config file it has comments/documentation Jul 25 18:20:20 if I remember correctly in this file was able to configure "slide" action Jul 25 18:21:22 @Pali: ok will give it look. if i don't understand will ask u Jul 25 18:23:50 hi DocScrutinizer05, any update for my account? (see https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-24.log.html#t2013-07-24T06:51:33) Jul 25 18:32:08 shentey: still here? Jul 25 18:32:16 DocScrutinizer05: yes Jul 25 18:32:19 :-) Jul 25 18:33:04 shentey: I checked your garage user data and there your "extras-account" is "active" Jul 25 18:34:22 DocScrutinizer05: I just tried today to upload a test file and I still got the error message "this is a restricted account" Jul 25 18:34:30 but alas our whole infra is on the brink of total global failure, so you need to tell me what exactly doesn't work for you yet, and I will have to look into it what can be done by what means, and get your feedback o every action I do Jul 25 18:34:48 upload how exactly? Jul 25 18:34:57 via scp Jul 25 18:35:02 what? to where? by which means? Jul 25 18:35:07 scp mhm Jul 25 18:35:09 to? Jul 25 18:35:46 argh, I forgot the whole command... Jul 25 18:35:55 best you paste the whole cmdline Jul 25 18:36:05 ooops Jul 25 18:36:44 it's not like I ever used scp for uploading anything to maemo during the last... 25 years Jul 25 18:36:54 so I need your input on that Jul 25 18:37:04 @Pali: what is homekey section in mce.ini ? Jul 25 18:37:21 DocScrutinizer05: scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ Jul 25 18:37:29 panjgoori: do not remember, maybe home button on N8x0? Jul 25 18:37:35 panjgoori: relevant probably only for N8x0 Jul 25 18:37:37 -> "This is a restricted account." Jul 25 18:37:55 shentey: thanks Jul 25 18:44:43 @Pali: i'm not understanding that which config should i edit in mce.ini in order to disable hardware slide to unlock. there are some settings in TKlock. Jul 25 18:44:55 TKlock section in mce.ini Jul 25 18:45:06 TKlock is maybe that Jul 25 18:46:19 @Pali: should i upload mce.ini file somewhere so you can check it ? Jul 25 18:46:53 I cannot check if file is really OK Jul 25 18:47:02 do backup before changing Jul 25 18:48:16 Pali: what could safely get uploaded to drop.m.o to test account? Jul 25 18:48:28 so autobuilder would ignore it Jul 25 18:48:46 DocScrutinizer05: is autobuilder ignoring something? Jul 25 18:48:51 dunno Jul 25 18:48:56 I bet nothing Jul 25 18:49:04 what you want? Jul 25 18:49:08 autobuilder noob here Jul 25 18:49:21 shentey want to check his scp access Jul 25 18:49:41 so you want to send something to autobuilder only for testing?ň Jul 25 18:49:51 send package "test" Jul 25 18:51:18 sounds good. could you tell shentey how to do that? Jul 25 18:52:02 * shentey is waiting for instructions Jul 25 18:53:26 shentey: don't you have a real package of marble to upload? Jul 25 18:53:42 I mean, either it fails or it uploads, eh? Jul 25 18:54:23 I could create a broken one for Fremantle that should build or I could create one for Harmattan that hopefully doesnt Jul 25 18:55:09 just please don't mess with version/revision - it should be strictly monotonic Jul 25 18:56:14 otherwise repo management freaks out and possibly removes stuff that's new or never stops to try remove old stuff and fails, several times a day Jul 25 18:56:16 DocScrutinizer05: that command (uploading an empty file) works for my account at least Jul 25 18:58:42 hmm, seems you can upload arbitrary stuff to ~/private, and almost arbitrary stuff to ~/www Jul 25 18:58:57 dunno Jul 25 18:59:53 you also could down (or evenup)load your .ssh/authorized_keys Jul 25 19:00:06 2 Jul 25 19:00:21 .ssh/authorized_keys2 Jul 25 19:00:32 which looks good for shentey Jul 25 19:00:49 scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:private -> Permission denied Jul 25 19:00:58 o.O Jul 25 19:02:58 I chould just download the .ssh folder Jul 25 19:03:03 try to upload to ~ Jul 25 19:03:10 not to pribvate Jul 25 19:03:42 it contains a authorized_keys2 file Jul 25 19:03:51 is that correct? Jul 25 19:04:08 yes Jul 25 19:04:41 also should include sftp? dunno Jul 25 19:04:48 alright, I could successfully upload the test file to ~ Jul 25 19:05:25 ~ask Jul 25 19:05:26 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jul 25 19:05:28 and I deleted it before it does some harm Jul 25 19:05:38 hmm what was that link Jul 25 19:05:47 ~question Jul 25 19:05:47 extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 25 19:05:51 ah Jul 25 19:06:28 duno wtf are those private and www dirs, they are all not owned by user Jul 25 19:06:52 drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 private │ Jul 25 19:06:53 │drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 www │ Jul 25 19:06:55 │ Jul 25 19:07:07 dang, sorry Jul 25 19:07:11 spaces! Jul 25 19:07:27 c&p from mc ncurses Jul 25 19:07:33 not a brilliant idea ;-) Jul 25 19:07:38 haha Jul 25 19:08:44 shentey: if it suddenly fails, then some friggin script in maemo.org infra reverted the edit to etc/passwd I just did for your accout Jul 25 19:09:29 DocScrutinizer05: you mean it should work now? Jul 25 19:09:39 err, scp seems to work Jul 25 19:09:46 nfc what else will bork Jul 25 19:10:47 I think once you have an account in drop://etc/passwd, it doesn't get updated even when user data in garage changes suggesting a different logib-"shell" Jul 25 19:10:55 login-* Jul 25 19:11:23 thus you ended with gitsh.pl while you'd need svngitsh.pl Jul 25 19:12:00 but of course I could be wrong and in 5 mi some cronjob reverted your account on drop back to gitsh.pl Jul 25 19:12:20 * DocScrutinizer05 grabs a beverage Jul 25 19:13:01 ;) Jul 25 19:13:50 Earthwings_: your account is OK? Jul 25 19:14:46 shentey: next obstacle: once a package got built, it doesn't propagate to repo automatically, you need to pester merlin1991 to propagate it manually Jul 25 19:14:52 afaik Jul 25 19:15:25 hmm ok Jul 25 19:15:29 so DO NOT upload and build it again, when you're not seeing it showing up in repo Jul 25 19:15:34 ~2119 Jul 25 19:15:35 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Jul 25 19:15:41 I'll upload a (well-formed) package for Harmattan for testing Jul 25 19:15:59 I don't see the purpose Jul 25 19:16:06 DocScrutinizer05: right. but shentey wears our maemo packagers dude hat now Jul 25 19:16:19 Earthwings_: sure Jul 25 19:16:42 ok Jul 25 19:16:56 uploading welformed bogus packages has potetial to thoroughly fsckup your project Jul 25 19:16:57 Earthwings_: still got the bash script for creating the package? Jul 25 19:17:46 pali can tell you stories about packages getting stuck and never recovering ;-) Jul 25 19:18:23 shentey: i'm pretty sure i have, second Jul 25 19:19:03 no, everyone splat away Jul 25 19:19:23 and here we are again! WB! Jul 25 19:19:34 wow, that was funy Jul 25 19:19:39 funny even Jul 25 19:21:04 shentey: http://paste.kde.org/p88327b9b/ Old warning still applies: Please go over it and change the hard coded values. Wasn't written to be shared originally. Jul 25 19:23:05 ping me when new problems arise Jul 25 19:23:12 Earthwings_: thx Jul 25 19:23:21 allow for delays though, I have to throttle for overtemp today Jul 25 19:23:22 DocScrutinizer05: alright, thx for your effort! Jul 25 19:23:26 yw Jul 25 19:23:29 my job Jul 25 19:23:34 (not really) Jul 25 19:24:01 ;) Jul 25 19:24:02 actually we don't have anybody for that particular job yet Jul 25 19:24:55 it *should* be a cron-job ;-P Jul 25 19:27:48 but "flakes rush on over and wreck it some more / And we are so dumb, they're linin' up at our door" (FZ) Jul 25 19:33:36 I like bot the text lines and the melody of that part the most: Jul 25 19:33:41 both* Jul 25 19:33:44 Well, our toilet went crazy yesterday afternoon Jul 25 19:33:45 The plumber he says, “Never flush a tampon” Jul 25 19:33:47 This great information cost me half a weeks pay and the toilet blew up later on the next day Jul 25 19:41:59 Were coming to get ya, were coming to get ya Jul 25 19:42:04 the almost got me Jul 25 19:51:13 * Cor-Ai downloads DocScrutinizer05 Jul 25 19:51:16 gotyah! :D Jul 25 19:51:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKE3ZLj7_V8 Jul 25 19:51:57 sometimes Zappa makes my day Jul 25 19:52:17 no sound :/ Jul 25 21:04:17 hi, is this still the right place to ask about the N900? (i don't really have a specific question at the moment though, i just got an N900 and i was wondering if i could get a roundup of the latest installable pieces of OS and other software) Jul 25 21:05:40 hmm, this for sure is the right place Jul 25 21:06:17 i suppose you don't get many people asking about the N900 these days :P Jul 25 21:06:31 more than about anything else Jul 25 21:07:06 hehe Jul 25 21:09:43 Cor-Ai: why no sound? on which platform? which browser? Jul 25 21:11:54 DocScrutinizer05: arch but i riped the cord out on the motherboard.. it was in the way :P Jul 25 21:12:09 ah! Jul 25 21:12:24 hehe :P drunk.. Jul 25 21:12:29 I was* Jul 25 21:12:42 ooh, time for booze and burger Jul 25 21:12:48 o/ Jul 25 21:12:55 \o Jul 25 21:13:05 oh, ugh, i guess i lied and i do have a specific question, is the N900 going to explode if i play with battery utilities? i'm a bit paranoid about li-ion batteries and i've just been reading about BME and the fact the N900 charges the battery in software - i'm not sure this makes me want to try any alternative OS images i might have wanted to have fun with :\ Jul 25 21:17:34 LjL: no, N900 hardware is safe, you basically can't make battery harm by software Jul 25 21:18:25 the software support needed by hw charging is to keep charging going, as an additional safety measure Jul 25 21:20:12 my battery charging draft is tested since long, and just works. There's no way to completely mess up battery charging in N900, other than simply tearing it down and thus eventually ending with depleted battery (as bad as even that may be for you) Jul 25 21:21:29 that's a relief, a rant at http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=438 had made me fear, and then http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME saying, i hope as a joke, "not make the battery explode" seemed to confirm it :P Jul 25 21:21:41 but honestly, in my book there#s no alternative OS worth it (except maybe mer) Jul 25 21:22:07 DocScrutinizer05: that's useful to know, in fact i'm a bit confused about the current OS panorama Jul 25 21:22:21 things have changed so many names and updates Jul 25 21:23:42 when you say Mer, do you mean the old Mer or - if i'm correct about this - the Nemo "personality" of the new Mer? Jul 25 21:23:58 that first rant is factually incorrect Jul 25 21:24:21 well, probably the new one Jul 25 21:25:13 (rant) Nokia does NOT do battery charging in software, and I *was* bold enough to RE it ;-) Jul 25 21:25:38 and I proofed that it#s safe Jul 25 21:26:11 on a "mathematical" level Jul 25 21:26:23 not by any "WFM" experiments Jul 25 21:27:09 well, Nokia actually _did_ it in sw, but not in N900. N8x0 however is another story Jul 25 21:27:10 gotcha. i don't know who you are exactly but i do know you're aren't a random rookie around here ;) Jul 25 21:27:19 yay! 'cause i have an N810 Jul 25 21:27:34 ~joerg Jul 25 21:27:35 [joerg] a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer Jul 25 21:28:54 well i guess i will use my N900 and *not* my N810 as a testing bed Jul 25 21:29:42 good plan. Though N810 has better USB hardware, the other hw parts are not on par by far with N900 Jul 25 21:30:43 and even USB cost me ~1 year of my life, but finally I got it to do USB hostmode which Nokia always claimed was absolutely impossible Jul 25 21:31:33 \o/ Jul 25 21:31:38 it almost _was_ impssible ;-) Jul 25 21:31:42 B-) Jul 25 21:31:45 hehe Jul 25 21:32:04 Person who says it is impossible should not interrupt person doing it. Jul 25 21:33:02 well, from a corporate and product manager perspective it still is impossible Jul 25 21:33:23 H-E-N is an "impossible" app Jul 25 21:33:57 when Nokia would have dared to suggest such an approach, they would have seen a proper shitstorm Jul 25 21:34:33 high time for booze Jul 25 21:38:10 Anybody know of a good cross platform to-do list/checklist program for multiple users? N900 compatible obviously. Jul 25 21:40:02 yikes, the mystery continues... I stuck my sim card and battery back into my 5230 symbian phone and it got an agps lock in seconds... checked the supl server and it was a t-mobile server (my carrier). I copied that server to my n900 and started it up again... no dice :( Jul 25 21:43:44 hmm, now that's more weird.. Jul 25 21:44:13 where did the t-mobile setting come from? i mean, how did it get into the symbian at all? Jul 25 21:44:50 I did not set it... must have came with the phone (it is a nuron, and is t-mobile branded) Jul 25 21:46:34 googling that server, lbs.geo.t-mobile.com, they have reported certificate errors before... it almost seems they are doing a iemi check or something Jul 25 21:46:55 err... two unrelated things but nevermind Jul 25 21:46:59 mystery solved then :-/ Jul 25 21:49:34 that server uses a t-mobile self signed certificate... Jul 25 21:50:15 i doubt maemo will be happy with such a cert Jul 25 21:51:43 hmm... install their CA cert? Jul 25 21:55:35 possible Jul 25 21:55:48 if you can extract it from sybian Jul 25 21:57:02 NB this is a client side cert to authenicate to the server. Exactly opposide what you normally got with https: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 26 02:59:57 2013