**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 27 02:59:58 2013 Jul 27 04:15:58 W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 Jul 27 04:16:02 is there a fix for this yet? <.< Jul 27 04:46:22 Luke-Jr: i think no, because if good remember keys not going to be updated, but who knows maybe in future? anway to confirmation of that you need wait to someone else... Jul 27 04:52:20 bah, finally got x11vnc compiled for N900 and now the screensaver thing is killing me Jul 27 04:52:22 :/ Jul 27 04:52:26 any way to turn on the display? Jul 27 04:58:43 seems xset doesn't help Jul 27 05:15:54 Luke-Jr: maybe kill xscreensaver? Jul 27 05:17:02 no such app runnign Jul 27 08:50:55 DocScrutinizer05: my lib is also the script Jul 27 08:51:00 because python is cool Jul 27 08:51:12 I know Jul 27 08:51:42 it should go in the path i guess Jul 27 08:52:31 then toolnpatches Jul 27 08:52:31 or you'd have to launch it with `python -m bq27k` Jul 27 08:52:31 if it was in python's sys.path Jul 27 08:53:50 k Jul 27 08:54:00 hold on, i'll put the latest somewhere Jul 27 08:54:09 k Jul 27 08:55:07 DocScrutinizer05: acehack.de/bq27k.py Jul 27 08:55:21 it won't work without pali's bq27k module though Jul 27 08:55:46 but you can just change Bq27kAuto to spam i2c-get Jul 27 08:56:52 DocScrutinizer05: wgetted? Jul 27 08:57:42 i should make a /~kerio/ directory in that web server Jul 27 09:04:17 yup Jul 27 09:04:20 4 hos-bb2.juniper2.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.240.164) 0.991 ms hos-bb2.juniper1.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.240.163) 5.887 ms 5.882 ms Jul 27 09:04:22 5 hos-tr1.ex3k11.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.242.140) 5.177 ms hos-tr4.ex3k11.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.231.44) 5.170 ms 5.154 ms Jul 27 09:04:23 6 acehack.de (144.76.18.74) 0.893 ms 0.790 ms 0.882 ms Jul 27 09:04:49 :D Jul 27 09:04:54 dat hetzner Jul 27 09:05:11 15.416 --.-K/s in 0s Jul 27 09:05:33 ok, acehack.de/~kerio/ is now my web space Jul 27 09:06:59 http://privatepaste.com/cbb6215052 Jul 27 09:10:12 DocScrutinizer05: let's test the internal throughput! Jul 27 09:10:26 go ahead Jul 27 09:10:47 send whatever to acehack.de 31337 Jul 27 09:11:04 nc acehack.de 31337 < /dev/zero Jul 27 09:11:09 hm Jul 27 09:11:10 wait Jul 27 09:11:17 we won't know how fast it goes Jul 27 09:11:58 meh, wget something maybe Jul 27 09:12:09 kerio: wget some shit from maeom.cloud-7.de Jul 27 09:13:00 wiki.xml is 700MB Jul 27 09:13:50 k Jul 27 09:15:39 mmmh Jul 27 09:15:46 7MB/s Jul 27 09:15:57 poor Jul 27 09:15:58 i feel underwhelmed Jul 27 09:17:12 ohwell, it's a VM Jul 27 09:17:20 get sth from skeiron ;-) Jul 27 09:17:53 k Jul 27 09:17:58 is it also hetzner? Jul 27 09:18:02 yep Jul 27 09:18:20 but other caliber Jul 27 09:18:47 i wonder if my local connection is a bottleneck Jul 27 09:18:58 because wget tries to write the progressbar Jul 27 09:19:10 lol Jul 27 09:19:26 nope Jul 27 09:19:26 hmm Jul 27 09:19:29 70MB/s Jul 27 09:19:32 I think my n900 front led died Jul 27 09:19:35 :D Jul 27 09:19:45 It doesn't notify me anymore, and it also doesn't light when charging Jul 27 09:19:48 that's more like it Jul 27 09:19:51 (and notifications etc are turned on) Jul 27 09:20:00 Wizzup: does it turn on when turning the n900 on? Jul 27 09:20:10 and let me check Jul 27 09:20:11 :-) Jul 27 09:20:12 Wizzup: removed battery? Jul 27 09:20:37 kerio: no Jul 27 09:20:39 does not turn on Jul 27 09:20:45 DocScrutinizer05: just did before turning it on again Jul 27 09:20:53 too bad Jul 27 09:20:55 signs point to hw defect :c Jul 27 09:21:01 oh well Jul 27 09:21:03 no biggie.. Jul 27 09:22:25 DocScrutinizer05: 70MB/s is seriously fast Jul 27 09:22:55 i can do about 20MB/s from my local nas to my computer in my lan :s Jul 27 09:22:58 all gbit Jul 27 09:23:58 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest Jul 27 09:25:35 Wizzup: ^^^ Jul 27 09:27:36 DocScrutinizer05: no such file Jul 27 09:27:47 (though the directory exists) Jul 27 09:27:48 damn Jul 27 09:28:31 so I gather your kbd backlight is dead too Jul 27 09:28:42 I think so Jul 27 09:28:43 yes Jul 27 09:29:22 that's more of a problem Jul 27 09:31:39 IroN900:~# lsmod |grep 5523 Jul 27 09:31:40 leds_lp5523 9984 0 Jul 27 09:32:07 led_class 2948 2 leds_twl4030_vibra,leds_lp5523 Jul 27 09:32:57 modinfo leds_lp5523 Jul 27 09:33:29 modprobe -r leds_lp5523; modprobe leds_lp5523 Jul 27 09:33:54 tail /var/log/syslog Jul 27 09:36:39 IRC is eating through my battery Jul 27 09:37:02 no Jul 27 09:37:11 quassel maybe Jul 27 09:37:13 i swear Jul 27 09:37:15 or 3G Jul 27 09:37:20 well yeah Jul 27 09:39:26 reminds me that I still have a long pending tedious annoying debugging task Jul 27 09:40:02 find out about how xchat suddenly diesn't detect keepalive-timeouts after roaming Jul 27 09:40:33 planned to use tshark for that Jul 27 09:41:00 but maybe... I just should temporarily discard ZNC Jul 27 09:41:32 I swear I dunno any other reason but ZNC update to 1.x.y Jul 27 09:41:54 DocScrutinizer05: the lsmod, is that related to my led problem? Jul 27 09:42:09 and there's evidently no single time value in .xchat2/* that could explain those 2h delay Jul 27 09:42:16 Wizzup: sure Jul 27 09:42:29 as well as the other 3 commands Jul 27 09:43:34 Wizzup: http://privatepaste.com/61a67311cb Jul 27 09:43:46 for your reference Jul 27 09:44:53 I'm afraid your LP5523 is fried Jul 27 09:45:12 though I heard about similar hickups that were sw-related Jul 27 09:45:59 you can agan remove battery, then push power button when battery out Jul 27 09:46:25 short the outer two battery contact blades of N900 with a penny Jul 27 09:46:30 wait a minute Jul 27 09:47:35 then insert battery, push powerbutton and see if white breathing light shortly ramps up. do NOT power up device, i.e. releae button after 1s Jul 27 09:48:01 plug in fastcharger and see if it gives a ultrashort dim red flashing Jul 27 09:48:20 actually amber but it looks redish Jul 27 09:48:42 either on plug in or on removal of charger plug Jul 27 09:49:11 this is hw independent of LP5523 Jul 27 09:51:31 DocScrutinizer05: ok, give me a few minutes Jul 27 09:51:36 sure Jul 27 09:52:57 DocScrutinizer05: heh. I don't seem to have syslog (in /var/log) Jul 27 09:53:08 use dmesg Jul 27 09:53:15 hmhm Jul 27 09:53:19 or rather apt-get install sysklog Jul 27 09:53:31 yeah the ls -l doesn't show the leds @ my machine Jul 27 09:54:31 NB lp5523 is connected directly to battery. no sw reboot will reset it Jul 27 09:54:37 not teliably Jul 27 09:54:40 reliably Jul 27 09:55:49 DocScrutinizer05: wow... Jul 27 09:55:49 only way to reset: remove battery and make sure there's no more residual voltage left in buffer capacitors. Thus: push power button when battery out, short battery contacts of N900 Jul 27 09:55:53 I took out the battery Jul 27 09:55:54 started it Jul 27 09:55:57 put battery back in Jul 27 09:55:58 boom, led Jul 27 09:56:03 :-D Jul 27 09:56:07 Let's hope it lasts Jul 27 09:56:08 yay Jul 27 09:56:11 keyboard backlight Jul 27 09:56:13 \o/\o/ Jul 27 09:56:15 * Wizzup hugs DocScrutinizer05 Jul 27 09:56:18 virtually Jul 27 09:56:54 ah, lost the time & date again ofc ;-) Jul 27 09:57:20 well, that's kind of been the purpose of this procedure ;-) Jul 27 09:57:38 yep Jul 27 09:57:58 at some point I got so fast at switching batteries (other n900 where I have to replace usb) that I could replace them without losing power Jul 27 09:58:02 tg showed me the trick Jul 27 09:58:29 :nod: Jul 27 09:58:42 the slide-it-under "trick" Jul 27 09:58:48 whoever tg Jul 27 09:58:50 yes Jul 27 10:00:00 ooh, tg is a user in here Jul 27 10:01:07 hehe Jul 27 10:01:34 if you're interested to do a little soldering fancy - I have a ~20 ~bupbat here Jul 27 10:01:43 ~bupbat Jul 27 10:01:43 methinks bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN Jul 27 10:02:30 shipping worldwide for a 3EUR donation to maemo per cell Jul 27 10:08:36 DocScrutinizer05: okay, I'll think about it Jul 27 10:08:55 I have so much other stuff on my mind right now -- I'll think about this later Jul 27 10:18:33 np Jul 27 10:18:53 DocScrutinizer05: hi Jul 27 10:18:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1362538#post1362538 Jul 27 10:19:02 freemangordon: hi Jul 27 10:19:29 DocScrutinizer05: finally I'm back, I hope later today and tomorrow to have free time to start working on the autobuilder issues Jul 27 10:19:39 good Jul 27 10:19:45 :-) Jul 27 10:19:48 (assuming I become the maintainer :)) Jul 27 10:20:06 consider it done, master Jul 27 10:20:15 hehe Jul 27 10:20:44 DocScrutinizer05: ok, I'll ping you some 3-5 hours from now Jul 27 10:22:38 btw... Jul 27 10:22:47 I'm trying to get rip the libflashplayer.so from the n900 .. Jul 27 10:22:55 to get it to work on my armv7 odroid gnu/linux desktop Jul 27 10:23:09 Has a few dependencies on hildon libs, but maybe I'll just copy them over and see if everything breaks... Jul 27 10:26:02 Wizzup: I think there been a generic flashplayer lib directly from those guys errr adobe? compiled for ARM/OMAP Jul 27 10:26:16 there is? Jul 27 10:26:31 yeah, flash10 Jul 27 10:27:09 ah, let me see if I can find it Jul 27 10:27:29 I never bothered about it since it reportedly didn't work great with N900, but that's no surprise since it not been meant for n900 specifically. rather for beagleboard or whatever Jul 27 10:29:07 http://www.tizenexperts.com/2011/02/flash-10-1-nokia-n900-maemo/ Jul 27 10:29:20 DocScrutinizer05: ah, odroid has four cores though Jul 27 10:29:22 so it should be okay Jul 27 10:29:26 odroid-u2 specifically Jul 27 10:31:05 DocScrutinizer05: I can't find the dropbox link Jul 27 10:31:30 should be somewhere on tmo Jul 27 10:32:16 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/libflashplayer.so Jul 27 10:32:18 here we go Jul 27 10:36:00 MMMPFHH Jul 27 10:36:02 ** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** Jul 27 10:42:20 ohai DocScrutinizer05. Jul 27 10:42:42 hai Jul 27 10:42:52 welp, N900's eMMC is dead. Jul 27 10:43:06 no, it's not a solder fault, the chip is simply dead. Jul 27 11:27:55 Hurrian: :-/ Jul 27 11:28:37 Hurrian: we once talked somebody thru total swap between eMMC and uSD Jul 27 11:29:22 wasn't exactly simple to find out how to accomplish it, but finally it worked iirc Jul 27 11:31:17 Hurrian: however, you actually could get repair for that. the eMMC chip is not hard to source, and reflow for that particular chip seems feasible Jul 27 11:32:06 though the chip body is huge, it has relatively small ball-count Jul 27 11:33:42 * DocScrutinizer05 only wishes he could get proper SnPbCuAg solder paste Jul 27 11:50:02 Wizzup: hold on, you had some weird problem and you didn't try to powercycle? Jul 27 11:51:09 what can I say, I'm a software guy, I don't expect restarts to ``make it work'' Jul 27 11:51:20 (at least for everything I write) Jul 27 11:53:31 state machines be crazy Jul 27 12:09:10 DocScrutinizer05: using uSD as eMMC? yep, done that Jul 27 12:09:19 fine Jul 27 12:10:14 kerio: Wizzup: this particular one is NOT fixable with a silly powercycle Jul 27 12:10:27 you need to make sure... MEH wrote that above Jul 27 12:20:11 [2013-07-27 11:54:31] NB lp5523 is connected directly to battery. no sw reboot will reset it - not reliably. only way to reset: remove battery and make sure there's no more residual voltage left in buffer capacitors. Thus: push power button when battery out, short battery contacts of N900 Jul 27 12:21:52 lp5523 has a complete little cpu inside Jul 27 12:22:24 and no nRESET input driven from APE/SoC Jul 27 12:22:55 can it lock up? dman sure it can! Jul 27 12:25:03 what is this, Flash lockups aren't fixed unless you short the battery contacts? O.o why do backlogs always seem to make much much less sense than reading conversations while they happen :P Jul 27 12:27:54 flash lockups? Jul 27 12:28:13 they make less sense since you don't get the point Jul 27 12:28:25 it been about lp5523, not about flash Jul 27 12:32:16 on a sidenote, similar problem might occur with lis302 accelerometer Jul 27 12:32:54 though there a proper shutdown and then reboot should usually fix it Jul 27 12:33:19 (not connected to battery but to a switched Vsys) Jul 27 12:34:13 a simple reboot (without powering down the system for a few seconds) might not suffice to reset lis302 and thus fix decalibration Jul 27 12:54:39 DocScrutinizer05: i realize didn't get the point, i was just saying that's what happens when you (well, i at least) read backlogs as opposed to following a realtime conversation, things get mixed up :P Jul 27 12:55:25 obviously Jul 27 12:57:23 ah so lp5523 is the LED controller Jul 27 12:58:00 funny that it would be so separate from the rest of the phone Jul 27 13:29:13 alright time to check whether the N900's battery has survived the night Jul 27 13:30:08 seems it has. qbatterywidget said 60% when i went to bed, 49% now. this seems much better than the other day, when i had battery-eye installed Jul 27 13:30:16 i still have BatteryGraph installed though Jul 27 13:30:31 hm, is pali already on vacation? Jul 27 13:30:44 because that would mean that my hald-addon-bme is going to stay fucked up until he's back ._. Jul 27 13:30:44 DocScrutinizer05, can you tell me which powertop i should install? apparently there's a bunch of versions scattered around Jul 27 13:31:55 kerio: is that the "replacement BME" in Mer? Jul 27 13:32:01 LjL: I'm not aware of the multiple versions. Please point me to them Jul 27 13:32:12 LjL: i don't think so Jul 27 13:32:20 but maybe? Jul 27 13:32:28 DocScrutinizer05: moment, i had the relevant pages open yesterday Jul 27 13:32:48 no, mer still using some proprietary nokia hack done for stskeeps to keep original bme, afaik Jul 27 13:33:39 stskeeps been *very* much chicken about using charge21.sh or similar approach Jul 27 13:33:44 DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ has a "free" and a "non-free" thing listed, plus there's this thread with scattered ZIPs and the like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37102&page=3 Jul 27 13:34:06 I dunno if they differ at all Jul 27 13:34:45 never heard anybody complaining about unusual behaviour of "his version" Jul 27 13:35:56 anyway mine spews out "Powertop 1.13.3" on start Jul 27 13:36:35 ~pkg Jul 27 13:36:36 rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 27 13:36:52 IroN900:~# powertop --help all Jul 27 13:36:53 Powertop 1.13.3 Jul 27 13:36:57 * kerio is saddened by the lack of libicd-network-pan Jul 27 13:37:31 DocScrutinizer05: so probably the one in PR1.0... not sure if this is correct, but i got the impression powertop was included in PR1.0 but then removed by default later Jul 27 13:37:56 possibly, yes Jul 27 13:38:30 sounds about right Jul 27 13:40:15 * kerio loves his 1574mAh battery Jul 27 13:40:27 it's a lot of battery! Jul 27 13:41:17 kerio: what battery is that? Jul 27 13:41:32 an orange one Jul 27 13:41:33 without a name Jul 27 13:42:05 scary Jul 27 13:42:15 scarily good you mean Jul 27 13:42:25 it was on aliexpress.com Jul 27 13:42:34 vi___ recommended it Jul 27 13:42:36 no i mean scary, but i'm paranoid so you might want to ignore my opinion Jul 27 13:42:38 1555mAh here Jul 27 13:42:45 highfive o/ Jul 27 13:43:22 it was sold as a 1700mAh battery Jul 27 13:43:29 but i knew it was around 1600 Jul 27 13:43:36 sold as 1500 Jul 27 13:43:47 2 calibrations later it said 1555 Jul 27 13:44:07 calibrated at? Jul 27 13:44:20 using the scripts from tmo Jul 27 13:44:21 Hilarious things, these el cheapo batteries. Jul 27 13:44:29 yeah but which power draw? Jul 27 13:44:38 the recommended Jul 27 13:44:54 i dont have the numbers anymore Jul 27 13:44:55 backlight at 5? Jul 27 13:44:58 yes Jul 27 13:45:01 always on Jul 27 13:45:03 yeah Jul 27 13:45:14 it had no sim inserted Jul 27 13:45:18 but wifi was on Jul 27 13:45:52 the calibs differed about 2mah from each other:) Jul 27 13:45:55 paliiiiiiiiii Jul 27 13:46:06 goddammit this hald-addon-bme is annoyhin Jul 27 13:46:08 ying Jul 27 13:46:22 because my battery stays at 100% for a quarter of the capacity Jul 27 13:46:45 according to the battery applet Jul 27 13:47:01 1666/1308mAh Jul 27 13:47:11 It is over nine thousand. Jul 27 13:48:30 Raimu: that's like a 25% mistake Jul 27 13:48:35 that's a pretty big deal Jul 27 13:53:59 I wish the old scriprs worked on bmerep, I could just drop in a desktop widget that updates on press Jul 27 13:54:04 *scripts Jul 27 13:56:46 Raimu: http://acehack.de/~kerio/bq27k.py Jul 27 13:57:24 Oh! Jul 27 13:58:37 python -c 'print __import__("bq27k").Bq27kAuto().CSOC' Jul 27 13:58:42 or something similar Jul 27 13:59:20 python -c 'import bq27k; print "%s%%" % bq27k.Bq27kAuto().CSOC' Jul 27 13:59:44 or make a script Jul 27 14:00:02 Yup Jul 27 14:00:09 This'll do, thanks! Jul 27 14:00:42 or, hell Jul 27 14:00:46 much easier Jul 27 14:01:09 cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity Jul 27 14:01:26 without being wastefuk Jul 27 14:01:27 l Jul 27 14:01:50 i'm not sure if you can make it follow changes to a file easily Jul 27 14:02:05 derp Jul 27 14:02:06 but sysnodes should support inotify Jul 27 14:04:11 Uh, I didn't even know those readings can be viewed from there Jul 27 14:04:17 2hat a neophyte Jul 27 14:06:51 is the reason why there's a different channel for harmattan technical or political? Jul 27 14:11:18 Different topics Jul 27 14:18:33 well but isn't Harmattan technically a version of Maemo? Jul 27 14:26:34 but they differ enough to warrant different channels Jul 27 14:26:42 lest people get too confused Jul 27 14:30:36 Asking that is almost like asking whether should harmattan be part of, meego or maemo. :p. Meego devs wouldn't claim harmattan as an actual meego project (nokia called it a "meego instance"), Maemo.. well.. the device and ecosystem is remarkably different even though to an extent a fair proportion of harmattan was based on maemo. Jul 27 14:32:24 The split between #harmattan and #maemo originally existed because of selected few devs got their hands on N950. At that time they thouoght it would be cool to form their own channel for the "elite" :p Jul 27 14:35:26 hi Jul 27 14:35:33 where is the config for osso-xterm stored? Jul 27 14:35:44 gconf Jul 27 14:35:57 I did something stupid (increased the scrollback to infinite amounts) and now I only have ssh access Jul 27 14:36:00 Sicelo: thanks Jul 27 14:37:17 gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/xterm/scrollback Jul 27 14:37:18 2147483647 Jul 27 14:37:38 lol Jul 27 14:37:52 Infinite Scrolling Mode ;) Jul 27 14:39:02 * psycho_oreos wonders if osso-xterm would die due to malloc error with that huge scrollback buffer. Jul 27 14:39:55 psycho_oreos: so, political :P i wish i had applied for a free N950 as a developer when that was possible, but i felt i wouldn't be able to develop much for it so i didn't even try... not so much to be part of any "elite" but, hey, it looks like an interesting phone Jul 27 14:41:14 LjL, it was political back then, they started getting lax about it all afterwards and now (amongst other similar channels) are serving as a living relic. Also you aren't the only one to miss out on N950. Jul 27 14:41:30 i'm sure i'm not Jul 27 14:42:03 there's the N9 but honestly, i don't care much for keyboardless phones Jul 27 14:43:05 my other phone aside from the N900 (which i'm not sure whether i will use as my main phone yet) is a Motorola Milestone, specced very similar to the N900 but running Android Jul 27 14:43:13 I loathed the design of n9, I still hate it even though nokia no longer cares about their little niche community they've brought up. Jul 27 14:44:40 I came across an interesting motorola device recently (motorola defy), it ran android froyo and had this somewhat annoying thing known as motoblur. Jul 27 14:46:08 i think my Milestone's Android was relatively vanilla without Motoblur, but not sure since i've been using a CM-based ROM on it for ages now Jul 27 14:46:39 i wish my carrier offered the ability to have two SIMs on the same number so i wouldn't have to decide whether to use the N900 or the Milestone as main :P Jul 27 14:46:42 That's one good way to get rid of the annoying motoblur. Jul 27 14:47:09 psycho_oreos: the first time I changed that, the phone rebooted or something Jul 27 14:47:49 psycho_oreos: xterm doesn't start at all with that setting :( Jul 27 14:48:25 what setting? Jul 27 14:48:31 Ultimately it boils down to personal taste, to me N900 is incomparable to literally any other devices (apart from N950 but only just). Jul 27 14:48:38 the ridiculously large scrollback buffer Jul 27 14:48:40 do people typically have Extras-devel enabled these days given Extras doesn't seem *very* alive, or is it still "the odd package when really needed"? Jul 27 14:49:01 * psycho_oreos still has extras-devel enabled, not through HAM though. Jul 27 14:49:36 eddyb, yeah sounds almost like issues with malloc and probably something to do with heap overflow. Jul 27 14:50:33 psycho_oreos: well, i'm currently questioning my own taste... both Android and Maemo have their good points i think, Maemo gives a Linuxy fuzzy feeling but lacks some smartphone-oriented things Android has, as far as i can see - and then there's the hardware itself, the N900 looks a bit flimsy, being all plastic and with a resistive screen i think i've already scratched by just looking at it. the Milestone is mostly metal Jul 27 14:51:27 ah and so far there seems to be a compelling argument about GPS navigation on Android for me, although i haven't really investigated what's available for the N900 too well Jul 27 14:52:17 LjL: On n900 you can install a java-running Google Maps with some trickery, it's the best GPS map I have on the platform. Jul 27 14:52:34 lol LjL .. what's plasticky between N900 & any samsung? Jul 27 14:53:28 Sicelo: i don't know, but i don't have a Samsung Jul 27 14:53:50 LjL, undoubtably N900 is not really comparable in phone capabilities. Many people including myself has said the same thing time and time after time. N900 is not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. N900 maybe frail but it still has some of the coolest things such as direct access to the raw hardware itself. Things like fcam taking advantage of raw access to camera module, wl1251 (ported from compat-wireless) allows one to do wi Jul 27 14:53:50 reless pentesting and fmtxd that can be modded to broadcast on other channels. Jul 27 14:54:47 anyway, as you said: taste Jul 27 14:55:05 for navigation, there's modrana Jul 27 14:55:18 It always boils down to taste :) Jul 27 14:55:25 for maps, there's... idk Jul 27 14:55:29 psycho_oreos: i was just going to investigate the FM tx, it doesn't seem to work at all here so far, but i tried it briefly Jul 27 14:56:28 kerio: i'm more interested in navigation than plain maps, i really need that because my sense of orientation is mostly... completely lacking :( Android has some really nice programs, although none of the open source ones are particularly nice so it's either Google Maps, Waze or commercial offerings like Sygic Jul 27 14:56:59 there's an open source one that might not be too bad on faster phones, but on my Milestone it's just unusable Jul 27 14:57:36 LjL, that sort of reminds me to test and see if the patched fmtxd that I had from awhile ago still works. Alas I have too many things I need to attend to with my N900(s). Jul 27 15:05:06 psycho_oreos: weird, i'd have expected you to be on the rtlsdr channel :P Jul 27 15:07:08 >>few devs got their hands on N950. At that time they thouoght it would be cool to form their own channel for the "elite" :p<< not at all. It just got annoying to answer questions assuming they are targeted at maemo5 and then to hear "but that doesn't work" and after long discussion you find out the asker has a harmattan device where the maemo5 solution doesn't apply Jul 27 15:08:45 LjL, rtlsdr? Jul 27 15:09:20 DocScrutinizer05, heh I do recall one of the lucky devs (at the time) did mention about #harmattan being the cool channel to hang out for those lucky devs. Jul 27 15:09:46 Though yeah, that's really old historical stuff now :D Jul 27 15:10:06 after all *I* created that channel ;-P Jul 27 15:10:11 psycho_oreos: you might be interested in it if you're interested in radio. it's the informal name for a USB DVB-T TV stick, which could be obtained for cheap (although there might be a shortage now), which driver develoopers found out can actually be used as a software-defined radio receiver for between 60 and ~2000MHz with a 2Mbps bandwidth Jul 27 15:10:24 DocScrutinizer05: ha Jul 27 15:10:26 so believe me, I still recall why I did Jul 27 15:11:14 * psycho_oreos muses the idea of concluding N900 vs as a willing but a toothless warrior. Then proceeds chuckling about the idea. Jul 27 15:11:23 it been first of all a consideration about channel S/N Jul 27 15:12:06 DocScrutinizer05, lol not doubting you in the first place, just thought it was a little cool to use N950 to rub it in old people's wounds (those who still don't have N950) lol. Jul 27 15:12:56 LjL, Ahh, I'm almost a complete noob when it comes to that stuff lol. Stuff even with wireless LAN is starting to throw me off now with things like HT and 802.11ac. Jul 27 15:13:45 psycho_oreos: oh, i'm pretty clueless too, but for €20 or whatever it was i spent, it was worth looking at a very sizeable portion the radio spectrum. i just wish it did shortwave, so i could receive ham radio Jul 27 15:15:17 hey, since the N900 has a light sensor, how come i don't see the brightness change depending on its reading? Jul 27 15:15:23 the display brightness that is Jul 27 15:16:03 LjL, that sort of reminds me of a person whom hacked his atheros wifi to (I think) transreceive in frequencies not defined by either 802.11a or 802.11b. It was something within 6GHz or something band, though ultimately he ended up frying his pre-amp as a result. Jul 27 15:17:41 psycho_oreos: i wouldn't dare do something like that, as i don't look forward to either frying my equipment, or have the police knock at my door for illegal transmissions ;) this stick is just a receiver though, and it's a simple matter of software to use it as an SDR Jul 27 15:18:17 To me I think it does, when there's too much light after the screen went from blank screen to showing whatever you left things running (visible, in foreground) in about 2-4 seconds. Jul 27 15:19:47 LjL, haha true but nonetheless its still interesting to experiment though and something also to present to events like defcon. *Is now reminded of that story about MITM 2G attack at defcon awhile ago* Jul 27 15:20:41 psycho_oreos: this rtlsdr can be used with some software to receive and decode GSM, apparently, and now there's some LTE thing too :P Jul 27 15:20:46 I'm not an expert on what is being used outside the standard (allowed) fmtxd frequencies, I was told that they may interfere with digital TV signals. Jul 27 15:21:13 it might end up on the VHF TV range, not sure Jul 27 15:21:34 still the transmitter is very low power, so Jul 27 15:22:15 LjL, haha interesting. I do recall that MITM attack equipment would have set one back ~$1,000. Jul 27 15:22:42 Though doesn't mean you can't do some nasty hacks to make that low power output into concentrated power to one area ;) Jul 27 15:24:10 There was a perfect movie about that idea, wargames 2: the dead code. Jul 27 15:24:17 wut, there is a version of Waze in Extras-devel Jul 27 15:30:17 hey while we're being offtopic, http://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/sets/72157633997037650/ isn't even entirely offtopic as there is my N810 too :P Jul 27 15:46:12 psycho_oreos: fmtxd from cssu is the same fmtxd from jacekowski Jul 27 15:46:31 (add more spelling) Jul 27 15:46:38 cssu-devel, that is Jul 27 15:46:53 i don't know when or if it'll be pushed to cssu-testing Jul 27 16:08:21 oh as to CSSU, i haven't installed that yet, anything important i ought to know before i do? also, should i really back up, or can i get a pristine Maemo flash file in the worst case? Jul 27 16:22:05 kerio, yeah I would expect it to be only imported from what was jacekowski's version. I never tried to test out his module thoroughly anyway :). Jul 27 16:22:38 There's a thing known as backupmenu. It is probably the best thing to have. Jul 27 16:23:05 Actually misread, yes well backup in either cases. :) Jul 27 16:23:54 CSSU stable shouldn't have too much issues, but if you're running CSSU testing (which is what I have here), you may run into issues Jul 27 16:50:09 builder is broken again :( Jul 27 16:50:22 ohai Sc0rpius Jul 27 16:50:26 builder says Jul 27 16:50:27 Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb Size mismatch Jul 27 16:50:30 hi there Jul 27 16:55:20 why the hell are you pushing system packages to extras-devel? Jul 27 16:55:50 I'm not Jul 27 16:55:53 this is the log: Jul 27 16:56:02 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/yappari_1.0.36/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Jul 27 16:56:25 hm Jul 27 16:56:36 DocScrutinizer05 and techstaff: *poke* Jul 27 16:56:50 hear, hear Jul 27 16:57:29 the title editing bug in TMO is still there, it really pisses me off Jul 27 16:57:50 is there anybody here who is a moderator or something in TMO? Jul 27 16:58:09 I guess yes Jul 27 16:58:28 who? Jul 27 16:58:29 Sc0rpius: many thanks but I can't follow up on that right now Jul 27 16:58:30 chem|st, thedead1440_,... ummm... who else Jul 27 16:58:34 it's ok Jul 27 16:58:50 please find somebody else to take care, or open a ticket in bugs.m.o Jul 27 17:00:31 Sc0rpius: also mixing up two bug reports for sure doesn't help Jul 27 17:02:11 Sc0rpius: re Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb, that package is supposed to have been deleted, so builder resp your package shouldn't depend on it Jul 27 17:02:37 if it doesn't then I dunno why builder tries to fetch it Jul 27 17:02:45 * Sc0rpius checks his control file Jul 27 17:02:47 DocScrutinizer05: because it is a system package Jul 27 17:02:59 it might still be in repo, then we have a problem with that fucking package Jul 27 17:03:12 and seems we have that version cached Jul 27 17:03:26 but the package is missing, thus the error Jul 27 17:03:37 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, mce-dev, hildon-input-method-framework-dev, libx11-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-dev, libosso-abook-dev, libebook-dev, libhildondesktop1-dev Jul 27 17:03:40 since I deleted/nuked that crap Jul 27 17:04:06 Did you rebuild Packages.gz? Jul 27 17:04:16 who? ME?? Jul 27 17:04:19 :) Jul 27 17:04:32 not me! Jul 27 17:04:38 since I deleted/nuked that crap Jul 27 17:04:53 so? there's a button in midgard to do that Jul 27 17:05:14 sure, but do we have the old version now? Jul 27 17:05:20 NFC what autobuilder/repo-management does Jul 27 17:05:45 the old version should be from nokia Jul 27 17:05:55 aiui there's no version whatsoever supposed to be in extras Jul 27 17:06:31 somebody "accidentally" uploaded that package to autobuilder Jul 27 17:06:39 >:-( Jul 27 17:06:42 yes, I know Jul 27 17:06:58 people are making doc angry :( Jul 27 17:07:05 actually the bug that any changes editing the title of a thread are ignored is worse than the builder bug :P Jul 27 17:07:08 there was a check in the autobuiled WEB iface if you try to upload a system package Jul 27 17:07:12 it seems gone :( Jul 27 17:07:29 *autobuilder Jul 27 17:07:31 somebody uploaded a system package? Jul 27 17:07:34 yes Jul 27 17:07:35 Sc0rpius: thanks. Then I happily forget about both Jul 27 17:07:37 it happens Jul 27 17:07:38 Jesus Christ Jul 27 17:08:00 kerum: it is not supposed to happen Jul 27 17:08:35 freemangordon: last-spoke order is better than alphabetical, for IRC tab-completion Jul 27 17:08:52 oh Jul 27 17:08:59 * kerio uploads the whole of cssu-testing+thumb to extras-devel Jul 27 17:09:17 kerio: my IRC client is FUBAR Jul 27 17:09:29 it is written in JAVA Jul 27 17:09:29 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out, detecting his pissed mood Jul 27 17:10:54 * DocScrutinizer05 just remarks that eventually techstaff won't regard any bug reports anymore that have no ticket on b.m.o Jul 27 17:11:30 *I* get flames for not citing down the list of problems from top of my head >:-( Jul 27 17:12:52 it's not like your 2 bugs are the only ones on such list. ask freemangordon Jul 27 17:15:50 on a less anry note: most likely packages.gz got NOT rebuilt, since autobuilder (usually) doesn't promote to repo automatically. Ask merlin1991 Jul 27 17:15:57 angry* Jul 27 17:17:05 DocScrutinizer05, i have done the battery calibration as you told me and now my battery is at 2.5 volts and i think it's your fault, i even ran the calibration script with the kernel overclocked to 1.6GHz to ensure it would be responsive Jul 27 17:17:13 (just in case you were getting less angry) Jul 27 17:17:38 "kernel overclocked to 1.6GHz" Jul 27 17:17:46 WHAT?!? Jul 27 17:17:59 i wasn't being entirely serious Jul 27 17:18:08 oh, ok Jul 27 17:18:10 :) Jul 27 17:18:14 not ok Jul 27 17:18:21 Sc0rpius: you mean the thread-editing bug as in threads over a year old can't have their titles changed by the OP and only mods can change them? Jul 27 17:18:34 LjL: your fault, don't listen to fools trolling you Jul 27 17:18:53 if so then report to chem|st as he is the administrator of tmo and the previous admin i.e. Reggie said this "feature" removal required council removal Jul 27 17:19:04 if it's really at 2.5V, your battery isn't a battery anymore, to be honest Jul 27 17:19:57 of course it's not really at 2.5V though :P Jul 27 17:20:05 tbh a battery cannot get probed at 2.5V, since battery voltage == PMU input voltage, and system impossibly can run at 2.5V Jul 27 17:20:19 DocScrutinizer05: multimeters can run at 2.5V Jul 27 17:20:20 thedead1440, is that so? Jul 27 17:20:28 /akick Jul 27 17:20:32 Sc0rpius: what do you mean? Jul 27 17:20:33 if the thread is older than a year I can't edit the title?¿ Jul 27 17:20:33 :s Jul 27 17:20:42 Sc0rpius: yes! Jul 27 17:20:45 WHY??????? Jul 27 17:20:53 find somebody else to troll Jul 27 17:20:54 I'm not making a new thread :( Jul 27 17:21:11 Sc0rpius: because Jul 27 17:21:21 get over it Jul 27 17:21:22 :'( Jul 27 17:21:44 well then I need a mod to modify the thread title to something a little more standard Jul 27 17:21:51 that is, deleting the version number Jul 27 17:21:57 who is a mod here? Jul 27 17:21:58 dafaq! editing subject of ancient threads Jul 27 17:22:18 Sc0rpius: the easiest way is to use the "report this!" button on your OP and to ask for thread to be changed Jul 27 17:22:25 its bloody easy to do so Jul 27 17:22:32 indeed Jul 27 17:22:40 ok thanks Jul 27 17:22:50 dafaq 2.5V Jul 27 17:22:53 Sc0rpius: reggie's reply: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1308738&postcount=11 Jul 27 17:23:03 * kerio ponders about the usefulness of threads with 300+ pages Jul 27 17:23:42 kerio: what's the alternative? closing the thread every X pages? Jul 27 17:23:43 LjL: GET RECENT KP, DO **NOT** unblacklist bq27200 module Jul 27 17:24:06 I see Jul 27 17:24:15 it's known to cause massive trouble when stopping and restarting bme Jul 27 17:24:17 that rule is absurd imho Jul 27 17:24:30 things like yappari, wazapp, N9QT attract many users + have many version changes hence the vast amount of pages Jul 27 17:24:38 Sc0rpius: than go and discuss it with those who invented that rule Jul 27 17:24:49 yeah I'm almost reaching 400 pages in the Yappari thread :( Jul 27 17:25:08 and actually it's sad people asking things that were discussed before. I know nobody is gonna read those 400 pages Jul 27 17:25:14 maybe a new thread is better... dunno... Jul 27 17:25:48 ye Jul 27 17:25:50 s Jul 27 17:26:13 or maybe a wiki page, eh? Jul 27 17:26:27 wait, yappari thread has 2 times more pages than cssu-thumb thread? OMG, the world is going nuts :D Jul 27 17:26:34 and one new thread per version Jul 27 17:26:49 freemangordon: haha see the wazapp thread too for reference :) Jul 27 17:27:01 yeah Jul 27 17:27:27 cya peeps, I have some really imprtant stuff to do Jul 27 17:27:35 bye doc Jul 27 17:27:40 though... this could be related to the fact there is no need to report much on cssu-thumb thread :P Jul 27 17:27:44 bye doc Jul 27 17:28:16 freemangordon: indeed; the bulk of yappari and wazapp posts are usually about registration issues due to the frequent changes in protocol Jul 27 17:28:26 freemangordon, don't feel bad. It doesn't mean Yappari is more popular. It just have dumber users asking the same questions over and over Jul 27 17:29:10 Sc0rpius: I know, I am just kidding (in cas it is not clear) Jul 27 17:29:26 *case Jul 27 17:33:15 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't really even run the calibration thing, i was just being facetious and didn't mean to make the atmosphere even chillier. (when i do run a calibration though, does the above mean i shouldn't run it on a stock PR1.3?) Jul 27 17:33:48 freemangordon, I enabled CSSU (testing) to fix the Gmail bug but it seems a newer version of CSSU thumb has been released since Jul 27 17:33:55 do I have to disable CSSU (Testing) again? Jul 27 17:34:05 or can both repositories live at the same time (testing) and (thumb) ? Jul 27 17:34:16 Sc0rpius: they MUST live at the same time Jul 27 17:34:31 -thumb is based on -testing Jul 27 17:34:51 not all of the packages in -testing are in -thumb, upstart for example Jul 27 17:34:58 so you need both repos Jul 27 17:36:36 ok Jul 27 17:37:47 "must" Jul 27 17:37:57 nothing bad will happen if you disable -testing Jul 27 17:37:59 MUST Jul 27 17:38:05 ~2119 Jul 27 17:38:05 nothing good either, but still Jul 27 17:38:06 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Jul 27 17:38:35 kerio: the bad thing that will happen is that you won;t be able to update to latest -thumb Jul 27 17:38:51 eeh Jul 27 17:38:58 so you either disable both or enable both Jul 27 17:39:00 cssu-thumb sucks anyway :P Jul 27 17:39:04 sure Jul 27 17:39:07 :) Jul 27 17:39:19 there's still no x11 compiled with gcc4.7-linaro! Jul 27 17:39:23 oh, I read rocks :P Jul 27 17:39:27 i think Jul 27 17:39:33 I attrbute that to the european heatwave we all suffer from today Jul 27 17:39:35 there is no Jul 27 17:40:11 there's still no x11 compiled with gcc4.7-linaro, then! Jul 27 17:40:25 and that is why cssu-thumb sucks Jul 27 17:40:30 I got it Jul 27 17:40:34 there's pulseaudio! Jul 27 17:40:51 since April Jul 27 17:41:00 no i mean in general Jul 27 17:41:14 * kerio ponders about a pulseaudio compatibility layer for alsa Jul 27 17:42:19 ...i guess that that would be pulseaudio Jul 27 17:46:44 !seen Pali Jul 27 17:47:06 ~seen Pali Jul 27 17:47:11 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 2h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'NSA for sure'. Jul 27 17:49:05 he was never heard from again Jul 27 17:49:10 :) Jul 27 17:49:29 maybe the NSA analysts can fix hald-addon-bme in his stead Jul 27 17:50:08 Pali said he'll be offline for a week Jul 27 18:09:55 kerio: yea they fix that the phone will going behind you... Jul 27 18:10:10 i mean alone will follow you ^^ Jul 27 18:11:40 * DocScrutinizer05 is only followed by his sofa. And only after drinking one bottle of potato vodka Jul 27 18:11:47 good alternative to builitin mail will be to fix mutt... Jul 27 18:12:03 DocScrutinizer05: potato vodka? O.o Jul 27 18:12:29 how this taste? i never hear about that... Jul 27 18:12:31 the cheapest crap of vodka is made from potatos Jul 27 18:13:34 i mean hear that is possible to make it by myself in home, but never hear and see in shop... Jul 27 18:14:37 with direct writed info that vodka is made from potatos... Jul 27 18:16:43 on THAT type of vodka nobody looks for any writing what it's made from. Since there isn't any either Jul 27 18:30:54 well I upgraded to CSSU thumb 8.2 I guess Jul 27 19:23:16 Sc0rpius: gz Jul 27 19:23:24 Welcome our new autobuilder maintainer freemangordon! Jul 27 19:23:48 welcome ofc... Jul 27 19:50:50 welcome and sorry for the trouble Jul 27 20:11:50 Hoi Jul 27 20:13:46 what can "NOLO X-Loader", is somewhere a manual? Jul 27 20:21:57 so autbuilder is fixed? Jul 27 20:22:45 NeutrinoPower: NOLO is 2nd stage bootloader, Nokia's flavor of u-Boot. X-Loader is 1st stage bootloader. No there's no manual for NOLO (except what you get for flasher-3.5 and the "hold U key" instruction). There's some details about how X_Loader works, on http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project Jul 27 20:23:36 Sc0rpius: honestly, what do you mean? Jul 27 20:24:00 the libx11-data bug Jul 27 20:24:24 how's that a bug? Jul 27 20:25:35 autobuilder can't find a suitable libx11-data package Jul 27 20:26:01 too bad Jul 27 20:47:28 NeutrinoPower: xloader/nolo loads something Jul 27 20:47:57 that is all that's given to know Jul 27 20:48:17 if something is uboot, you can do whatever you want Jul 27 20:48:43 can we set some kernel-boot-parameter with nolo? Jul 27 20:48:50 ok Jul 27 20:49:02 WHATEEEEEVER YOU WANT Jul 27 20:49:29 it's at least flexible enough to load rescueOS with the correct cmdline Jul 27 20:49:33 ~rescueos Jul 27 20:49:34 well, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Jul 27 20:53:18 yes it is, infobot Jul 27 21:00:05 since freemangordon is now an autobuilder mantainer, can I bother him about the libx11-data bug? Jul 27 21:16:23 i bother him with all sorts of weird shit all the time anyway Jul 27 21:50:11 did onyone managed to soldering the rechargable coin LiIon cell backup-battery Jul 27 21:56:21 I don't have any soldering skills Jul 27 21:57:17 I need to know what temp. and tin to use Jul 27 21:57:27 You can install various ntpd daemons - or similar - which will reset the clock shortly after it gets onto a network Jul 27 22:00:28 I do already have ntpd installed and plan to add it to a frcon script but I do also got a display en hwkb that needs to be replaced. Jul 27 22:04:57 dafaq, did you think it#s easy to count number of lines in a file? Jul 27 22:05:02 it's not Jul 27 22:05:16 when last line is missing trailing cr Jul 27 22:06:00 alternative: grep -cv '^$' $filename Jul 27 22:06:38 counts non-empty lines Jul 27 22:10:34 or awk 'END { print NR }' $filename Jul 27 22:12:05 latter one a true alternative to wc -l that works like you'd intuitively expect wc to do Jul 27 22:14:55 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if a file with a single CR byte has one or two lines, or maybe zero Jul 27 22:16:11 DocScrutinizer05: trailing newline doesn't count Jul 27 22:16:37 doesn't count in what? Jul 27 22:17:18 awk 'END { print NR }' $filename Jul 27 22:17:56 says a file with a single 0x0a byte has one line Jul 27 22:18:52 3 bytes "1\n2" are two lines in editor and by awk 'END { print NR }' $filename, but only one line in wc -l Jul 27 22:19:06 since wc -l counts "\n" Jul 27 22:19:39 4 bytes "1\n2\n" are 2 lines in awk and wc -l Jul 27 22:19:43 and editor Jul 27 22:21:20 echo -e '\n1' >xx creates also a 2 line file for editor and awk, but only one line in wc -l Jul 27 22:22:22 oops, echo -ne Jul 27 22:24:29 head also think there's a line#2 in "\nA" Jul 27 22:25:25 actually about everything and everybody thinks that's a 2 line file, just wc doesn't Jul 27 22:26:44 the toilet doesn't Jul 27 22:27:09 you don't know *my* tolet Jul 27 22:27:16 toilet even Jul 27 22:27:19 i am perplexed about CSSU... initially i thought stable would just be testing after the testing had been done, but, latest stable is from 2013 while latest testing is from 2011 yet testing has some things (camera-ui) stable lacks? also for instance, the patched fmtxd, do i find it in stable or testing (or neither)? Jul 27 22:27:52 >latest testing is from 2011 Jul 27 22:27:55 [citation needed] Jul 27 22:28:09 yoh! Jul 27 22:28:24 Yoh? Jul 27 22:28:43 heatwave Jul 27 22:28:57 everyboddy babbling silly stuff, incl me Jul 27 22:30:22 kerio: eh i don't know, basing it on wiki Jul 27 22:30:47 ~cssu Jul 27 22:30:48 from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jul 27 22:31:27 oh i guess i'm a bit sleepy, i realize now i was reading the version number instead of the date at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Jul 28 00:54:19 gah, wife forgot to bring N900 home, so I still need to figure out how to get it to go back to 3G remotely :/ Jul 28 01:00:29 remotely? Jul 28 01:07:15 Luke-Jr: smscon? ssh tunneling? Jul 28 01:08:44 Luke-Jr: what's your exact task definition? Jul 28 01:09:04 switch from wlan to GPRS? Jul 28 01:09:13 switch from 2G to 3G? Jul 28 01:09:34 go from powerdown to full online via WOL? ;-P Jul 28 01:21:12 hmm...syncevolution broke... :( Jul 28 01:21:30 broke around the same time I installed CSSU... boo... Jul 28 01:30:59 SpeedEvil: yeah Jul 28 01:31:14 DocScrutinizer05: my exact goal is to get the N900 providing a backup internet connection Jul 28 01:31:25 WLAN->WCDMA Jul 28 01:33:18 I have usbnet for ssh Jul 28 01:38:21 woo, VNC works if someone local turns on the screen Jul 28 01:38:37 * Luke-Jr ponders if there's a way to get it to automatically setup usb0 whenever it has a USB PC link Jul 28 01:41:32 wtf, X crash Jul 28 01:52:45 Luke-Jr: dhcpd usb0 ? Jul 28 01:53:04 drathir: can't issue commands without access Jul 28 02:15:57 is there a crontab support for Maemo? Jul 28 02:16:01 I could cronjob ifconfig .. Jul 28 02:17:52 alarmed Jul 28 02:18:20 even better than crontabs Jul 28 02:18:48 is there a CLI way to deal with it? Jul 28 02:18:55 sure Jul 28 02:19:02 :-) Jul 28 02:19:42 one thing it's missing: symlink from /usr/bin to /opt/bla/bla/python/bla Jul 28 02:20:25 IroN900:~# ll `which alarmed` Jul 28 02:20:26 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2011-06-20 15:53 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py Jul 28 02:21:10 oh, that's for CLI? O.o Jul 28 02:21:56 if you don't have /opt/alarmed/ in your $PATH... Jul 28 02:21:56 DocScrutinizer05: no better way to get usbnet working automatically? <.< Jul 28 02:22:12 I don't have /opt/alarmed at all - nor do I see a package :/ Jul 28 02:22:22 o.O Jul 28 02:23:00 http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/ Jul 28 02:24:51 http://privatepaste.com/8b77b511fe Jul 28 02:27:20 I don't have the devel/testing repos Jul 28 02:28:08 bah, even if I automatic ifconfig, I'd need a way to select PC Suite Mode :/ Jul 28 02:42:22 less `which osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh` Jul 28 02:56:41 DocScrutinizer05: is extras-testing safe? Jul 28 02:57:29 depends Jul 28 02:58:09 :x Jul 28 02:58:11 it's not recommended for "update-all" style Jul 28 02:58:46 update-all seems broken anyway. I have no battery gague anymore :< Jul 28 02:59:04 the repo itself is safe, except for HAM getting even slower yet Jul 28 02:59:06 update-all seems to take forever to scan **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 28 02:59:58 2013