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Jul 29 03:00:07 <shawnjefferson> is this the script just to remove a package or is it called by batch scripts as well?
Jul 29 03:00:18 <shawnjefferson> ie old package cleanup?
Jul 29 03:00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> then jacekowski had the idea to simply drop it
Jul 29 03:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems it's frequently called by other scripts, since the errorlog I pastebinned has always a lot of packages listed
Jul 29 03:01:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno for sure though
Jul 29 03:01:47 <shawnjefferson> i see where the fremantle1-3 stuff comes into the script...
Jul 29 03:02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm soon afk
Jul 29 03:02:59 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I'm supposed to be afk since 3h
Jul 29 03:03:11 <shawnjefferson> no prob, still looking at this script anyhow
Jul 29 03:03:38 <DocScrutinizer05> please send better key
Jul 29 03:06:01 <shawnjefferson> will do!
Jul 29 03:11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> when?
Jul 29 03:25:59 <DocScrutinizer05> totally empty spam mail, cooooool
Jul 29 03:26:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, afk now. sorry
Jul 29 06:47:52 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: ping
Jul 29 08:51:42 <kerio> freemangordon: pong
Jul 29 08:52:03 <kerio> but i'm not Sc0rpius 
Jul 29 13:53:09 <LjL> does rebooting the N900 actually suck a LOT of battery, or is it just the meter that guesses the wrong thing? (went from 60% to 10% after reboot)
Jul 29 13:53:41 <SpeedEvil> It pins the CPU for a minute or so.
Jul 29 13:53:54 <SpeedEvil> If you keep the screen on, this may use...
Jul 29 13:54:09 <kerio> about the same as two minutes of screen on
Jul 29 13:54:11 <SpeedEvil> I'd say under a percent of battery.
Jul 29 13:54:12 <kerio> or something
Jul 29 13:55:20 <LjL> hm, so it's the meter. i thought i remembered things about the N810 consuming a big amount of battery to reboot though, but i'm not sure i remember right
Jul 29 13:55:32 <SpeedEvil> Old batteries are fundamentally unsuited to being used in a device with a cell modem.
Jul 29 13:55:32 <SpeedEvil> It causes major issues.
Jul 29 13:55:33 <SpeedEvil> Well - technically improperly stored batteries.
Jul 29 13:55:42 <SpeedEvil> I have just pulled out a 2 year old cell from my freezer, and it's as new.
Jul 29 13:56:22 <kerio> SpeedEvil: bad at burst draw?
Jul 29 13:56:27 <SpeedEvil> In general, no device uses lots of power rebooting, compared to being in use.
Jul 29 13:56:37 <SpeedEvil> kerio: Basically, yes. 
Jul 29 13:56:58 <LjL> SpeedEvil: well, one could imagine during parts of a reboot, there aren't proper energy saving measures in place
Jul 29 13:58:38 * LjL checks whether the N900's battery is still on sale
Jul 29 13:58:52 <Lava_Croft> BL5J's are still on sale
Jul 29 13:59:35 <jaska> my mugen chucks for nearly a week still.. might look into making a kludgebattery if it croaks
Jul 29 13:59:56 <Lava_Croft> mugen is useless because of its size
Jul 29 14:00:07 <Lava_Croft> not to mention its price:)
Jul 29 14:00:09 <kerio> there's no energy to save during a reboot
Jul 29 14:00:12 <wnd> I'm quite happy with japod's replacement from dx
Jul 29 14:00:13 <LjL> i'm a tad paranoid about batteries so i don't think i'd use a not-original one
Jul 29 14:00:17 <jaska> size isnt an issue for me
Jul 29 14:00:24 <kerio> 1600mAh, standard-size bl-5js exist
Jul 29 14:00:30 <TabletEvil>  Old batteries can have an effective resistance of an ohm or so. If the cell modem can draw an amp - this can cause it to go from 4.2-3.2 as a spike.nd when the voltage drops to 3.9V or so - 70% of full - a full-power transmit may drop the voltage to under the hard-power-off level.
Jul 29 14:00:47 <kerio> twice the size for half more capacity... no thanks
Jul 29 14:00:55 <LjL> amazon sells the BL-5J for cheap enough, i hope it really is original though, i've never quite understood how Amazon works wrt stuff sold directly by Amazon / by third parties
Jul 29 14:00:57 <Lava_Croft> and then that price
Jul 29 14:01:01 <Lava_Croft> 90dollars orso
Jul 29 14:01:08 <Lava_Croft> for 12euros you have a 1500+mah battery
Jul 29 14:02:10 <kerio> for $90 you can buy a used n900
Jul 29 14:02:14 <Lava_Croft> :)
Jul 29 14:02:28 <Lava_Croft> hooking up two bl5j
Jul 29 14:02:33 <Lava_Croft> thats a smarter/cheaper/better idea
Jul 29 14:05:20 <LjL> kerio: HEY i paid €90! :(
Jul 29 14:12:00 <LjL> sigh, of course on amazon some reviews says it's an original battery and some others say it's not. how can one even trust anything.
Jul 29 14:12:31 <Volvagia356> Anyway I can reflash /, /home, and /opt, without reflashing /home/user/MyDocs?
Jul 29 14:13:40 <DocScrutinizer05> (battery 90->10%) let's do some math (tongue in cheek): BL-5J:=4.9Wh   * (90% - 10%) =3.92Wh    = 3.92 * 3600 = 14112Ws aka Joule. Consuming that amount of energy during - say - 60s of boot -> 14112Ws / 60s = TWOHUNDREDANDTHIRTYFIVE WATT
Jul 29 14:14:09 <DocScrutinizer05> should suffice to melt your N900 to a liquid plastic blob
Jul 29 14:14:56 <Wizzup> lol
Jul 29 14:15:53 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: i said 60%, not 90%, but ok, point taken :P
Jul 29 14:16:27 <SpeedEvil> It's the same as these ridiculous 'flourescant tubes take half ano hours energy to start' 
Jul 29 14:21:14 <DocScrutinizer05> yah, sometimes you wonder why God gave a brain to humans, and what they did with it during primary school physics lessons
Jul 29 14:24:20 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 battery can manage to warm up device noticeably for at least one hour, as probably everybody can tell from own experience. Now when that energy in battery is consumed during 1/60 of that 1h timespan, you'd think that temperature increase is 60 times as much
Jul 29 14:26:26 <DocScrutinizer05> but well, people even believe bullshit like "chalk coating on your washing engine heating rods reduces heating efficiency"
Jul 29 14:27:01 <SpeedEvil> Amusing to ask people to guess how high a phone could lift itself it it had a little wihch.
Jul 29 14:27:06 <DocScrutinizer05> where the heck is the energy going to get lost to?
Jul 29 14:27:12 <SpeedEvil> there is enough energy in the battery to raise it 5km.
Jul 29 14:27:36 <SpeedEvil> Chalk coating on the rods reduces their life.
Jul 29 14:27:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jul 29 14:28:02 <DocScrutinizer05> but for sure it can't magically beam enery into outer space
Jul 29 14:28:11 <DocScrutinizer05> energy
Jul 29 14:28:27 <SpeedEvil> Though some semiconductors can.
Jul 29 14:28:46 <SpeedEvil> LEDs - the nice ones - can be >50% efficient now
Jul 29 14:28:46 <SpeedEvil> (Royal blue)
Jul 29 14:29:02 <SpeedEvil> (Still sucky brightness, because of biophysics)
Jul 29 14:30:12 <SpeedEvil> Gah - disconnecting before I run out of the several megs of data I have left till tomorrow. (DSL died tue to lightning)
Jul 29 14:31:13 <kerio> ​
Jul 29 14:31:24 <DocScrutinizer05> oh right. bad luck, really
Jul 29 14:32:23 <Volvagia356> anyone?
Jul 29 14:32:49 <Volvagia356> or do I have to manually backup MyDocs, reflash, and restore it later
Jul 29 14:35:34 <kerio> Volvagia356: flashing COMBINED will only restore rootfs and optfs
Jul 29 14:35:37 <kerio> aka /home
Jul 29 14:37:11 <Volvagia356> huh, according to the Wiki, flashing COMBINED only affects RootFs, while VANILLA affects OptFs and MyDocs?
Jul 29 14:37:29 <kerio> /home is cleared on firstboot
Jul 29 14:39:25 <Volvagia356> What actually happened was, I screwed up somewhere, and now /home is empty
Jul 29 14:42:37 <kerio> flash combined
Jul 29 14:58:57 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: nope, /home isn't cleared
Jul 29 14:59:07 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jul 29 14:59:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd swear /home/user and all of it's content survives a combined aka rootfs flashing
Jul 29 15:00:16 <DocScrutinizer05> what is cleared is /home7opt
Jul 29 15:00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> home/opt even
Jul 29 15:00:52 <kerio> mh
Jul 29 15:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Volvagia356: df -h /home
Jul 29 15:01:03 <kerio> well then you also have to flash VANILLA with --flash-only=home or something
Jul 29 15:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> check the filesystem it's mounted to
Jul 29 15:01:27 <Volvagia356> DocScrutinizer05, maybe I should tell the full story
Jul 29 15:01:50 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: are you missing your coffee?
Jul 29 15:02:02 <Volvagia356> Yesterday, when I rebooted my phone, the wallpaper was blank
Jul 29 15:02:20 <Volvagia356> upon openning Media Player and Images, they reported 0 songs and 0 images
Jul 29 15:02:31 <Volvagia356> did a hard-reset of Tracker, same thing
Jul 29 15:02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> please do what I suggested
Jul 29 15:02:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably miss mount of eMMC
Jul 29 15:04:18 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# df -h /home
Jul 29 15:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Jul 29 15:04:21 <DocScrutinizer05> /dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  832M  1,1G  44% /home
Jul 29 15:04:23 <Volvagia356> upon running 'ls' in /home/user/.cache/tracker, it gave "Stale NFS File Handle"
Jul 29 15:04:38 <Volvagia356> eMMC mounted fine, I can browse it in file manager
Jul 29 15:04:46 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jul 29 15:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ls or filemanager work as well on the mountpoint dir when eMMC actually is NOT mounted
Jul 29 15:06:42 <Volvagia356> actually, none of that matters now
Jul 29 15:06:56 <Volvagia356> some time ago, I symlinked the themes/fonts from rootfs over to optfs in order to save space
Jul 29 15:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and even worse: everything you write to /home when eMMC is not mounted will fill up your / NAND 240MB of storage, and you can't remove it anymore once you mounted eMMC to /home, since those files are hidden then, so called phantom files
Jul 29 15:07:16 <Volvagia356> just now, after screwing up an fsck on optfs, everything is stuffed into lost+found
Jul 29 15:07:40 <Volvagia356> thus, system boots, but with all text appearing as square boxes and the default GTK theme
Jul 29 15:11:16 <kerio> Volvagia356: what's the output of `df -h /home` or `mount`?
Jul 29 15:12:21 <Volvagia356> wait a sec, let me get out of backupmenu
Jul 29 15:12:49 <kerio> wait, what?
Jul 29 15:13:13 <kerio> /home doesn't get mounted inside backupmenu
Jul 29 15:13:22 <Volvagia356> I know
Jul 29 15:13:39 <kerio> do you have backups? you can just restore one
Jul 29 15:13:43 <kerio> it should Just Work™
Jul 29 15:14:02 <Volvagia356> no I don't
Jul 29 15:23:59 <Volvagia356> well let's just say at this point, there isn't enough of the UI working for me to launch XTerm, and SSHing doesn't work
Jul 29 15:32:25 <kerio> Volvagia356: well, ctrl+shift+x should give you an xterm
Jul 29 15:32:46 <kerio> anyway, the default contents of /home aren't important i think
Jul 29 15:33:00 <kerio> or maybe they are, hm
Jul 29 15:33:03 <kerio> of /home/user, i mean
Jul 29 15:33:25 <Volvagia356> what are the default contents anyway?
Jul 29 15:33:33 <kerio> idk, but i bet there's some stuff
Jul 29 15:37:52 <kerio> mmh, apparently VANILLA is a single file
Jul 29 16:08:29 <Sc0rpius> morning
Jul 29 17:15:46 <Lava_Croft> evening
Jul 29 17:19:20 <Apic> Hi.
Jul 29 17:19:31 <sixwheeledbeast> lo.
Jul 29 22:48:08 <Wizzup> hello
Jul 29 23:53:24 <LjL> uhm, been struggling to make the A part of A-GPS work without success until now i read on TMO that other people have recently started having the same problem... namely, the SUPL server that's supl.nokia.com by default stopped working at some point, people switched to supl.google.com, but that apparently stopped working too now. is there a known way to make either work again, or another server to use?
Jul 30 00:01:37 * drathir must fix usb port :/
Jul 30 00:01:42 <drathir> im shocked why that often used parts wasnt maked more solid :/
Jul 30 00:02:15 <LjL> :\
Jul 30 00:02:39 <ecc2g> it probably was because nokia did not expect the pcb metal to be so weakly attached to the fr4
Jul 30 00:03:42 <ecc2g> they did those thermal attaches for a reason:  to make sure it will solder together before melting other stuff...
Jul 30 00:07:39 <ecc2g> now, why syncevolution broke, I will never know...but after clearing configs and setting it up again, it works once more.
Jul 30 00:08:29 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jul 30 00:16:32 <drathir> interesting if i find place where can fix that... :p
Jul 30 00:17:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usbfix
Jul 30 00:17:58 <infobot> [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Jul 30 00:18:53 <drathir> or need to find external charger and second battery..
Jul 30 00:20:24 <DocScrutinizer05> better fix usb. You'll need to flash eventually
Jul 30 00:24:50 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: i even want to try but nokia attach strange smaller scuba than e51 have...
Jul 30 00:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> scuba?
Jul 30 00:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway
Jul 30 00:27:37 <DocScrutinizer05> [notice] I tried to finally get rid of that friggin libx11-xcb1_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb, for good
Jul 30 00:28:03 <DocScrutinizer05> deleted the files from repository hard (root shell)
Jul 30 00:28:41 <DocScrutinizer05> now I hope there's only a new packages.gz build pending to return to semi-working state
Jul 30 00:30:19 <DocScrutinizer05> NOOOOOOOO!!!!! it got imported AGAIN!!
Jul 30 00:32:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but this time it didn't result in any new files showing up on repo
Jul 30 00:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb  :-P
Jul 30 00:34:40 <DocScrutinizer05> this is such a shite, this maemo midgard and whatnot cruft
Jul 30 00:36:25 <LjL> ~ supl
Jul 30 00:36:25 <infobot> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen
Jul 30 00:50:20 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: scubadriver if good remember...
Jul 30 00:50:53 <DocScrutinizer05> screw?
Jul 30 00:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~dict screw
Jul 30 00:51:09 <infobot> Dictionary 'screw' (1 of 16): someone who guards prisoners .
Jul 30 00:51:20 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Jul 30 00:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~dict screwdriver
Jul 30 00:51:28 <infobot> Dictionary 'screwdriver' (3): a cocktail made with vodka and orange juice ;; A tool for turning screws so as to drive them into their place. It has a thin end which enters the nick in the head of the screw. [1913 Webster] ;; a hand tool for driving screws; has a tip that fits into the head of a screw.
Jul 30 00:51:50 <DocScrutinizer05> well, at least... :-D
Jul 30 01:00:14 <LjL-Maemo> Wee, connectivity
Jul 30 01:05:28 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05:  yes correct...
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