**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 12 02:59:58 2013 Aug 12 03:00:00 only need fat32 if you want to use with os's that dont support ext2... Aug 12 03:06:25 ok Aug 12 03:06:41 but I want to use chroot with file larger then 4Gb Aug 12 03:06:50 In cssu it does it automatically Aug 12 03:06:54 not in stock though Aug 12 03:07:05 ext3? Aug 12 03:07:30 ext2-4 Aug 12 03:08:28 if you go cssu and kernel-power, I'd recommend ext4 Aug 12 04:15:05 hm Aug 12 04:15:22 this n900 seems far better with cssu-s Aug 12 04:18:59 Gotta love forum noobs, first they post a challenge against N900 as a possible replacement/successor in the wrong area. Now they are trying to make a stand with what they believe in. Aug 12 04:19:59 Find me a device with a HW KBD that can run a Debian-based system with X11, and I'll agree it's a N900 replacement. Till then... Aug 12 04:20:44 There is this forum thread that's catching some attention: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1366524 Aug 12 04:22:07 It also goes to show how old maemo's competitors are when it comes to having a device with both cellular connectivity and a hardware keyboard. Aug 12 04:22:37 yeah Aug 12 04:23:13 I'm also kind of hoping perhaps we'll get some love with these new Intel phones Aug 12 04:23:41 Intel phone (hopefully) means decent bios, x86 drivers etc... and the ability to run desktop Linux(and possibly Wine as well)... Aug 12 04:24:16 Somehow I don't think Intel is related, at the end of the day they only care about two things: 1) profit on returning clientele and 2) market proliferation. Aug 12 04:25:01 There's also lots of anger/hatred between the two divided camps of RISC vs CISC based designs as welll. Aug 12 04:25:06 s/lll/ll/ Aug 12 04:25:06 psycho_oreos meant: There's also lots of anger/hatred between the two divided camps of RISC vs CISC based designs as well. Aug 12 04:25:21 ...and yet Intel's processors are RISC as well, so... Aug 12 04:25:27 (internally anyway) Aug 12 04:26:14 I want to see Intel(most likely) come up with a chip that provides an x86 instruction set as well as an ARM one. Aug 12 04:26:23 Initially they weren't :) I think RISC fans kept arguing on poor power management/efficiency and device able to flare up (becoming hot) real quickly. Aug 12 04:27:29 Set it up correctly, and you'd be able to run the main OS in mode for extreme speed, with support for running ARM and x86 binaries, whichever happens to be available Aug 12 04:27:31 That's where Intel struggles, they really don't care about ARM that much (in fact they sold their StrongARM branch a few years ago). They only want to shove x86 instruction set down their clientele's throats. Aug 12 04:29:26 To be fair, I'd /love/ to have a (even Android) tablet that I could run x86 Windows apps on when needed(via a Wine-like layer), I think it'd be awesome. Lightweight most of the time, but with the power/capibility to run legacy x86 stuff when needed Aug 12 04:30:00 Because -- unlike what MS thinks -- legacy apps are the main pull for x86 and even Windows. Aug 12 04:31:05 Anyway, cya all later Aug 12 04:31:13 Enabling more instruction sets on the fly would probably be more difficult. Aug 12 04:49:58 qemu+wine + some X11 emu Aug 12 04:51:03 but everything is cloud-this and cloud-that these days, so a windows vm somewhere running vnc.. Aug 12 04:58:49 Gaming through VNC would be fun, alas not everyone can afford the luxury of cloud computing and/or decent internet connectivity. Aug 12 05:50:17 psycho_oreos: I game through VNC sometimes. Localhost. Aug 12 06:02:52 it was fun to see doom3 on my n900's screen Aug 12 06:19:42 does vnc support direct rendering or something? Aug 12 06:19:52 figured there would be issues with the refresh rates heh Aug 12 06:23:01 i should figure out how to get this su8w working on my n900 again Aug 12 06:23:29 i vaguely remember having to edit some keymap to stop enter from acting like tapping the screen Aug 12 06:28:53 Pali: http://oi44.tinypic.com/2004e2b.jpg Aug 12 06:29:09 Pali: battery.reporting.last_full = 154 (0x9a) (int) Aug 12 06:29:30 freemangordon: and what say bq27200 from sysfs? Aug 12 06:29:44 Pali: no bq here, BME Aug 12 06:30:03 ah.... orignal nokia bme... Aug 12 06:30:09 yup Aug 12 06:30:10 so what to do? Aug 12 06:30:24 Luke-Jr, lol localhost :D yeah that is.. err rather effective (more like redundant) haha. Aug 12 06:30:31 use design capacity? Aug 12 06:30:40 Pali: I see no other option Aug 12 06:31:12 Pali: does the same problem exist with bme-replacement? Aug 12 06:31:29 ok, so put "if ( last_full < current ) last_full = design" into battery widget? Aug 12 06:31:32 I remember kerio reporting similar Aug 12 06:31:42 psycho_oreos: nah, it's a different video card than my monitor is plugged into :p Aug 12 06:31:43 do not remember Aug 12 06:31:50 Luke-Jr: hi! Aug 12 06:31:58 hi Pali Aug 12 06:32:14 Pali: hmm, no, if my charge drops < 154, the reported value will be bogus Aug 12 06:32:29 Luke-Jr: in kernel-power is patch ARM_6066_1_Fix_BUG_scheduling_while_atomic_swapper_0_0x00000002.diff from you Aug 12 06:32:38 Luke-Jr, lolwut >_> I'm confused. Using multiple monitors or something? Aug 12 06:32:50 it is needed and is OK for cssu kernel? Aug 12 06:32:52 psycho_oreos: no Aug 12 06:32:52 Pali: I'll get 153/154 , 100% Aug 12 06:32:55 psycho_oreos: no, just one Aug 12 06:33:03 psycho_oreos: connected to my Intel HD Aug 12 06:33:13 psycho_oreos: I VNC into a virtual machine with a Radeon passthru'd Aug 12 06:33:21 Pali: which will be wrong Aug 12 06:33:35 freemangordon: 153/154 comes from BME? Aug 12 06:34:00 Luke-Jr, ahh I now understand lol. I thought you were VNC localhost through multiple monitors or with N900. Aug 12 06:34:06 Pali: 153 is the current charge (if my battery is discherged enough) Aug 12 06:34:29 Pali: the point is that ^^^ if() will report incorrect values once that happen Aug 12 06:34:38 freemangordon: then BME is broken... Aug 12 06:34:48 Pali: yeah :( Aug 12 06:34:56 maybe it is better to show what BME report, if all values are bad Aug 12 06:36:18 do you need anything else? Aug 12 06:36:41 Pali: (besides what I pasted in private chat) Aug 12 06:36:45 no, nokia BME is broken Aug 12 06:36:53 yep Aug 12 06:37:07 maybe use battery.reporting.design Aug 12 06:37:11 Pali: maybe just use design Aug 12 06:37:21 only with BME is that Aug 12 06:37:33 *that is Aug 12 06:37:36 ok Aug 12 06:37:37 is extkbd for bt keyboards? Aug 12 06:37:51 Macer: not only Aug 12 06:38:09 you can use it with USB kbds too Aug 12 06:38:17 i see Aug 12 06:38:21 goooooooogle: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65577 Aug 12 06:38:26 is there a bthid pkg i need? Aug 12 06:38:30 goooooooogle: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65577 Aug 12 06:38:30 (and with PS/2 if you manage to somehow connect PS/2 kbd to n900 :D ) Aug 12 06:38:39 haha Aug 12 06:38:42 wasnt i talking to you last night Aug 12 06:38:46 has someone actually done that? Aug 12 06:38:50 use google man, its your friend! :) Aug 12 06:38:59 that way freemangordon doesnt have to reply to you and can do actual important work Aug 12 06:39:10 uhm Aug 12 06:39:25 yeah, uhm! Aug 12 06:39:57 Macer: hate to say it, but Lava_Croft is right, all the needed info is in the extkbd OP Aug 12 06:40:40 its not an attempt to try and be unfriendly, its an attempt to learn you something important! :) Aug 12 06:40:49 googling is an important skill for n900 users :\ Aug 12 06:41:21 Macer: UPDATE4: 13.02.2011 Input BT plugin is auto-enabled, no more need to edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf. Stock Bluetooth UI now has an option to connect BT HID devices Aug 12 06:41:22 google is not your friend though! Aug 12 06:41:24 but i already know how to use google and figured if the channel is active then it is 4x faster to simply see if someone gives a yes/no response heh Aug 12 06:41:33 Macer: its 4x faster for you maybe Aug 12 06:41:34 freemangordon: Maybe you can add XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name: to extkbd package? Aug 12 06:41:53 Pali: hmm, I think there is one Aug 12 06:41:57 Macer: realize that most people here are automagically inclined to help, no matter what they are currently doing:) Aug 12 06:42:04 for me, that doesnt matter, i have no real skills Aug 12 06:42:08 at least it shows as "External Keyboard Support" Aug 12 06:42:10 googling is an important skill for n900 users :\ <-- its not only an important skills for N900 owners but also for those whom have a keen interest with linux and/or other platforms. Aug 12 06:42:12 but a lot of other folks here do important work! :) Aug 12 06:42:20 (iirc) Aug 12 06:42:22 freemangordon: I remember that keyboard or mouse package does not have Aug 12 06:42:27 personally i use bing heh Aug 12 06:42:36 Macer: we want them to spend as much time as they can on that important work, instead of reply to people who are too lazy to google:) Aug 12 06:42:43 duckduckgo ftw ;) Aug 12 06:42:52 freemangordon: Now I see that there is description: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extkbd/1.0.3/ Aug 12 06:42:53 psycho_oreos: hah Aug 12 06:43:15 http://etherrag.blogspot.jp/2013/07/duck-duck-go-illusion-of-privacy.html Aug 12 06:43:16 Pali: see :P Aug 12 06:43:24 Lava_Croft: but see... they noticed important work by me asking about it ;) Aug 12 06:43:45 Macer: that is the natural tendency for people in communities like this to want to help out others Aug 12 06:43:56 the responsibility is with you to use it wisely Aug 12 06:44:02 its certainly not an infinite source Aug 12 06:44:06 I wasn't serious fyi but lol most search engines these days are full of loopholes. They're no better than the way Swiss cheese was made ;) *ducks*. Aug 12 06:44:07 plus i am asking because in a few i may be able to see if the enter key works properly Aug 12 06:44:20 last i recall the mapping was off for the enter key Aug 12 06:44:29 where it was mapped to tapping the screen Aug 12 06:45:01 but who knows. maybe that has changed Aug 12 06:45:20 let me connect this bt kb and see Aug 12 06:48:42 ok Aug 12 06:48:53 well... that seemed to just work lol Aug 12 06:49:02 how about that Aug 12 06:49:41 maybe i will look up a way to map the special keys on it some day heh Aug 12 06:49:47 it has symbian keys Aug 12 06:51:07 ah... the special characters dont seem to be working. Aug 12 06:51:12 xev is one way to find out the special key codes. Aug 12 06:52:05 yeah. maybe extkbd has an su8w map Aug 12 06:52:17 but the special keys will be interesting Aug 12 06:52:51 would love to map the symbian "home" key as the button on the top left of maemo Aug 12 06:53:56 no nokia su8w in the list :-/ Aug 12 06:54:35 Macer: for sure it is supported iirc Aug 12 06:54:46 not sure how it is called though Aug 12 06:55:33 hm Aug 12 06:55:56 yeah im looking for a map that works Aug 12 06:57:50 blah Aug 12 06:58:01 cant get any of the fn type special characters to work Aug 12 06:58:03 hmm, or not Aug 12 06:58:06 like percentage at etc Aug 12 06:58:19 however, gtg Aug 12 06:58:26 letters work ok heh Aug 12 06:58:50 i remember there was a keymap that kind of worked with it ... cant remember which one tho Aug 12 06:58:55 it was one of the generic keymaps Aug 12 07:00:00 anyway, I gtg, bye Aug 12 07:00:13 111111111112333 Aug 12 07:00:20 cya freemangordon Aug 12 07:00:33 Macer: hmm? Aug 12 07:00:46 which layout? Aug 12 07:01:00 %%%%getting closerf heh Aug 12 07:01:04 pc105? Aug 12 07:01:21 tried 105 intl variant Aug 12 07:01:27 still flakey Aug 12 07:02:13 123!"Â£ Aug 12 07:02:26 oh... Aug 12 07:03:06 123!@#$5% Aug 12 07:03:38 seems i found it... although.... Aug 12 07:03:59 generic 101 works fine Aug 12 07:04:22 but you have to choose USA and none for variant while the kb is connected Aug 12 07:04:34 and the enter key is still memssed up Aug 12 07:04:54 well.. i'll iron this out later Aug 12 07:05:31 i have to hold ctrl and hit enter to get it to send the cr Aug 12 07:06:00 hm Aug 12 07:06:09 when the device is slid open i don't Aug 12 07:06:20 so it is still a problem with the keymap for when the device is closed Aug 12 07:06:28 same as before Aug 12 07:07:55 maybe later i can use xev and make an actual map for the su8w. although im sure there arent too many ppl with them nowadays Aug 12 07:08:49 but at least extkbd seems to somewhat work with it Aug 12 07:08:55 just a matter of a proper map Aug 12 08:20:42 freemangordon: promote "tracker-cfg" to testing and I will feature it in the testing squad thread. Aug 12 08:22:24 I feel so far there has not been much response so will try and feature some package(s) to test over a week. Hopefully we can promote stuff this way. Aug 12 08:23:16 what's tracker-cfg? Aug 12 08:30:07 a gui for tracker configuration Aug 12 08:30:22 throttle, nowatch etc... Aug 12 08:31:30 It is in testing, I have been using it for a while but TBH never tested properly for optification Aug 12 08:31:53 oh, fmg pushed to testing. Aug 12 08:43:05 sixwheeledbeast: it was in -devel Aug 12 09:10:52 just got my first N900 - from what i've read, am i correct in that I should flash 2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin then install CSSU? Aug 12 09:11:18 as opposed to installing 21.2011.38-1.002 Aug 12 09:11:19 ? Aug 12 09:13:23 you can update from either one afaik Aug 12 09:13:29 ~cssu Aug 12 09:13:30 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Aug 12 09:13:55 that will tell you what you need to do Aug 12 09:15:41 ok thanks Aug 12 09:15:51 yeah that answered my question i think Aug 12 09:27:50 Should also flash eMMC if you want to make it as close to factory setup as well. Aug 12 09:52:16 radambe: global, not 002 Aug 12 09:52:22 always global Aug 12 09:53:19 just used 21.2011.38-1.002 and installed CSSU successfully from mac os 10.8.4 with flasher 3.5 Aug 12 09:53:26 not sure if it is global or not Aug 12 09:53:37 got that bin from a link on the forum Aug 12 09:53:46 ~pr131 Aug 12 09:53:46 [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 12 09:53:51 why global? Aug 12 09:53:59 because why not? Aug 12 09:54:08 oh ok heh Aug 12 09:54:34 localized PRs are less used Aug 12 09:55:32 found this page that was useful in getting flasher 3.5 working on osx 10.7 Aug 12 09:55:35 10.8 sorry Aug 12 09:55:36 http://blog.omgmog.net/post/factory-reset-nokia-n900-from-a-mac/ Aug 12 09:56:13 someone should add the tips on that page to a forum sticky somehwere Aug 12 09:56:57 is flasher opensource? Aug 12 09:57:03 0xFFFF can't do emmc Aug 12 09:57:06 iirc Aug 12 09:58:00 radambe: that guy is a dick Aug 12 09:59:44 kerio: yes, 0xFFFF does not have implemented eMMC flashing yet... Aug 12 09:59:50 and I do not have time for it Aug 12 10:00:05 it's ok Aug 12 10:00:15 we don't really need it Aug 12 10:01:04 hell, we don't even need a flasher for anything except to load rescueos Aug 12 10:02:15 what would ya'll recommend for a first few mods, apps etc to get me goin on this thing? Aug 12 10:02:20 CSSU install successful Aug 12 10:02:23 yay Aug 12 10:02:25 which cssu? Aug 12 10:02:49 i chose stable Aug 12 10:04:56 Depends on what you want out of it, cpumem-applet is very nifty for instance. fMMS (if you have SIM card inserted and you want to transreceive MMS), etc. Aug 12 10:05:24 openmediaplayer is kind of a must Aug 12 10:05:46 yeah this is going to be my 2nd phone / personal phone Aug 12 10:05:55 iphone for work + n900 for shits Aug 12 10:05:56 Newer worldclock as well if you want portrait functionality. Aug 12 10:07:06 When you bought the N900, did the seller say anything about the microUSB port? Aug 12 10:07:15 no Aug 12 10:07:21 ~usbfix Aug 12 10:07:22 from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Aug 12 10:07:33 got it on fleabay, i think it may actually be a fake Aug 12 10:07:37 nah Aug 12 10:07:42 sticker says made in finland Aug 12 10:07:50 is that possible? Aug 12 10:07:51 you installed cssu Aug 12 10:08:03 Should ask the seller if the seller did any work on it. If the seller didn't then I'd look into getting that microUSB port fixed before it breaks. Aug 12 10:08:10 fake n900s exist, but they run some shit that's not maemo Aug 12 10:08:25 Most likely hacked up symbian. Aug 12 10:08:43 Plus they have weird features like TV receiver when the genuine one doesn't. Aug 12 10:08:50 word, saw another youtube video that claimed no n900's were made in finland Aug 12 10:09:12 Finland made N900 were those pre-production ones. The actual N900 were made in South Korea (i.e. production ones). Aug 12 10:09:28 so this could be a pre-production? Aug 12 10:09:30 nah, KIRFs are usually some flavour of android now Aug 12 10:09:38 radambe: who cares? Aug 12 10:09:45 btw, check the hw revision Aug 12 10:09:52 /proc/component* Aug 12 10:10:21 pre-production iinm does not start with number 2, it starts with number 1. For the first four digits that is. Aug 12 10:10:50 usbfix: basically solder some more material to hold the USB port where it's supposed to stay? Aug 12 10:10:54 yup Aug 12 10:11:34 how do i see hw rev again? Aug 12 10:11:41 Its also a small incentive to get your microUSB fixed before it actually breaks. Aug 12 10:11:48 /proc/component_version Aug 12 10:11:54 grep hw /proc/component Aug 12 10:12:08 grep hw /proc/component_version* Aug 12 10:12:26 psycho_oreos, was not aware of that before. Now that I looked at the thread just quoted and images from seki, does not look like a big deal Aug 12 10:12:30 hw-build 2204 Aug 12 10:13:02 I have done some soldering, does not look impossible task. Apart from disassembling the n900 Aug 12 10:13:09 made in finland 2204, heh Aug 12 10:13:10 That number seems like its an actual production based. Mine are 2204 and none of them were made in Finland. Aug 12 10:13:36 could it be refurbed in finalnd and thus the sticker was changed? potentially? Aug 12 10:13:41 i dont really care Aug 12 10:13:44 it seems to work Aug 12 10:13:45 japa-fi, sure but if its not dealt with, it can cause issues. When it breaks you may have more issues than you first thought. Aug 12 10:14:27 is there a recommended alternative package manager / app browser? Aug 12 10:14:45 Also fake N900 cannot be flashed with proper maemo firmware. The flasher will most likely bicker before failing. Aug 12 10:15:08 appdownloader - just found it Aug 12 10:15:11 will give it a try Aug 12 10:16:40 is anyone using google mail activesync to sync contacts and calendars? Aug 12 10:20:46 There's hardly anything wrong with HAM (Hildon Application Manager). If you want to experiment, there's fapman but bewarned of its shortcomings. Aug 12 11:00:55 psycho_oreos: one thing not very comfy about HAM is you can only install one package at a time, so if you're installing more than one thing, you have to input each of them and wait for each Aug 12 11:01:21 HAM is slow as shit Aug 12 11:02:09 well for me fapman takes forever on "resolving dependencies" Aug 12 11:02:31 anyway i'm not sure why fapman is shunned, don't they all just call apt-get in the endd Aug 12 11:02:50 no Aug 12 11:03:05 and the issue is *how* you invoke dpkg Aug 12 11:17:23 LjL-Alps, been there had that ages ago. Though when it comes to updates, HAM is preferred over fapman. Aug 12 11:51:17 the N900 is said to have a weak battery but to me it seems to be on par with my Milestone Aug 12 11:52:53 LjL-Alps: it's surprisingly resilient Aug 12 11:53:01 and you can get a big one Aug 12 11:53:31 i don't think i will, li-ion batteries make me very uneasy so i'd rather stick with the original one Aug 12 11:55:25 one thing i miss from Android's UI - when scrollable lists are long, Android makes a scroll "handle" show up, since otherwise swipe-to-scroll can be very slow Aug 12 12:39:40 hi Aug 12 12:47:04 hm, maybe I should get a 2nd battery... something with the charging process seems wrong. The nokia charger stopped working and (while I haven't sampled very many), pretty much all other chargers other than computers have stopped working, too Aug 12 13:04:56 Iridos: are you sure it's not the cable or the port? Aug 12 13:11:10 which port Aug 12 13:11:18 musb Aug 12 13:11:25 possible Aug 12 13:12:49 I think the chargers you connect to a power outlet don't do the full usb negotiation dialog... the nokia one just connects two pins, IIRC... so if it's the musb port, then the problem is in the bit that recognizes those chargers... Aug 12 13:13:00 and hence it still works with computer usb ports Aug 12 13:13:03 (?) Aug 12 13:13:56 it sholdn't be the cable, as that works on a computer, but not on an external charger with an usb outlet Aug 12 13:14:18 my modest opinion is that your musb port is starting to break Aug 12 13:14:50 I don't really have any other musb-charged device, so I cannot test if the charger would work with that Aug 12 13:24:25 kerio, my modest opinion is that I'd really prefer it to be something else :P Aug 12 13:24:41 the universe doesn't care about our opinions though Aug 12 13:24:52 or do you have any good suggestion how I can prevent it from breaking ("don't ever charge it anymore" is not an option) Aug 12 13:25:17 breaking further* Aug 12 13:26:15 I don't think that the usb port is a user-repairable part either :( Aug 12 13:26:24 ~usbfix Aug 12 13:26:24 well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Aug 12 13:28:57 kerio, that's for making it more robust before it's broken? Aug 12 13:29:33 looks like Aug 12 13:41:08 I had an issue were an N900 thought a charger was a computer, this was a uUSB fault. Aug 12 13:41:41 I reinforced the port and in doing so it repaired the fault Aug 12 13:43:23 hm, nice Aug 12 13:43:34 you used the soldering method? Aug 12 13:45:13 well, only will be able too do soldering on the weekend when I visit my parents. (hmm, well, or here by borrowing) Aug 12 13:47:35 there's another thing I noticed since I had the n900 open... 2 light dots have formed over the last year on the screen of the 900... now I see that comes from something pressing against the screen from beneath when opening the keyboard Aug 12 13:51:42 err... can that really be an original one for that price? http://www.amazon.de/Original-Nokia-Ersatzakku-BL-5J-XpressMusic/dp/B001RUA2E6/ Aug 12 13:53:21 exploding battery in your phone can ruin the day Aug 12 13:54:04 ok, it's not Aug 12 13:55:54 "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" Aug 12 14:13:22 Exploding battery on a nice and somewhat rare handheld can ruin your hard earnt money apart from making the device even more rare. Aug 12 14:22:34 exploding battery on a handheld can seriously hurt Aug 12 14:22:56 Iridos: there was a chinese battery on aliexpress that had a 1600mAh capacity Aug 12 14:23:45 Iridos: http://www.amazon.de/cellePhone-PolarCell-Li-Ion-XpressMusic-ersetzt/dp/B004IHNVXY/ this one is also really good Aug 12 14:23:49 about 1500mAh Aug 12 14:23:59 psycho_oreos, it could also make the amount of hands or other body parts you've been grown to rely on having more scarce than you'd like Aug 12 14:24:14 kerio, without exploding? Aug 12 14:24:24 sure Aug 12 14:24:28 sounds good Aug 12 14:24:50 Iridos, heh dismemberfest Aug 12 14:25:21 kerio, together with http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-DT-33-Akku-Ladeschale/dp/B004YIPUV8 would provide for a "plan B" in case the micro-usb breaks? Aug 12 14:25:30 sure Aug 12 14:25:42 although... crappy plan B, as you have to boot the damn thing daily Aug 12 14:25:45 i've never used one, but everyone tells me that the nokia table charger is good Aug 12 14:27:36 well, really I'd prefer the usb port to keep working... but I might not get a choice Aug 12 14:28:27 psycho_oreos, my other nick is "CutMeOwnThroat"... this would be so much more apt now Aug 12 14:29:00 Iridos, rather emo than apt :) Aug 12 14:29:26 psycho_oreos, it's a Pratchett character's name Aug 12 14:32:00 Iridos, ahh well I have no clue then. Apart from knowing Pratchett that is used on a IRCd's server's name that is pretty much it. Aug 12 14:34:14 but yes... I was referring to the literal sense of the name being apt for the occasion :) Aug 12 15:02:37 i think we should adapt supl-proxy to provide ephemeris and location based on opencellid or something, even if some SUPL server that works is found again, i guess one can't rely on it working forever Aug 12 15:17:35 * SpeedEvil ponders kinking to his open-community-GPS thingy page, but can't be bothered. Aug 12 15:20:23 10 more days and no more crap about ubuntu edge story. Aug 12 15:21:10 10 more days and they are ~$22m short of the required goal. Aug 12 15:24:04 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 12 15:24:45 I'm at teh point I favour almost anyone who isn't apple and google in mobile space. Aug 12 15:24:59 Simply from the point that more diversity is good. Aug 12 15:25:21 Even though I have issues with the way BB/WM/Ubuntu/FF is doing it. Aug 12 15:25:52 I just want something that doesn't actively piss me off. Aug 12 15:26:42 indeed. Aug 12 15:28:00 BB10 kinda sorta isn't terrible Aug 12 15:28:10 But I miss the dev community from Maemo. Aug 12 15:28:30 No decent IRC client, no MetaWatch application, etc. Aug 12 15:29:20 Couple of people at work have Lumias. They say they're "nice" and smooth and what not, but disappointed in them because you can't actually *do* anything on them, apart from swiping scrolling and stuff. Aug 12 15:30:03 If one seriously still believes in less than 10 days ubuntu edge will fly, I'm sure pigs can too fly. They've only managed to raise a little under 10 million and they still need at least 22 million. Aug 12 15:30:34 I'm not hating ubuntu edge, I just don't think it will fly from the get-go point of view. Aug 12 15:30:35 Absolutely no way is edge happening - in the sense that they will meet that goal. Aug 12 15:30:47 Unless someone puts in 20 million. Aug 12 15:30:51 Which is quite possible. Aug 12 15:31:24 I don't know what shuttleworths fortune is right now. Aug 12 15:32:22 Possible but highly unlikely. Sure I will be the one eating my own words come after 10 days and ubuntu edge does get the green light. Aug 12 15:34:20 I've heard nothing but bad stuff about W8M. I'm sure lumia is just sitting on top and trying to polish the turd. Aug 12 15:34:25 They can take that number to investors and carriers. Aug 12 15:34:55 GeneralAntilles: quite Aug 12 15:35:18 'We got 15000 people to pay up front for a handset that diddn't exist' Aug 12 15:35:24 Is a useful statement Aug 12 15:35:33 It's a stunt that doesn't have any bad outcomes. Aug 12 15:35:45 If funded, woo, if not, woo. Aug 12 15:36:09 Well - funded, then spectacularly miss the deadline, and turn up with flaky hardware. Aug 12 15:36:14 If its not funded, critics would have won their merit. Aug 12 15:36:23 That'd be a bad outcome. Aug 12 15:36:35 psycho_oreos: Not so much as if it was a 'sane' goal. Aug 12 15:37:04 If you miss a $1M goal - then yes - there is a real argument that you can'g get 1500 people to put down money. Aug 12 15:37:30 SpeedEvil, that was my point - all along.. heck you don't even need a critic to tell you its unlikely that crowd funded project will fly. Albeit there's this still raves on about ubuntu edge. Aug 12 15:37:34 psycho_oreos, critics are clueless. Aug 12 15:37:45 GeneralAntilles, not always. Aug 12 15:38:08 SpeedEvil, well, sure, or Shuttleworth could run away with the money Aug 12 15:38:38 Critics are missing the point. Aug 12 15:38:57 Canonical set it up so they win either way. Aug 12 15:39:20 Whether it's funded or not, they still benefit if it generates interest. Aug 12 15:39:53 The case in point is the device, not the idea of crowd funding. Aug 12 15:41:16 If Canonical were to care so much about crowd funding, they would have had their advertisements set up in some other fashion rather than boasting about this brand new device that is going to "rewrite history". Aug 12 15:41:45 I'm evidently not communicating my point clearly. Aug 12 15:42:05 I understand what you mean. Aug 12 15:42:11 I think. Aug 12 15:43:45 So in that case the losers would be those who threw their money into this bottomless wishing well? Aug 12 15:44:28 They get it back at the end of the period Aug 12 15:44:31 30 days Aug 12 15:44:34 they lose nothing Aug 12 15:46:46 Realistically, it probably doesn't take long for one of the china clonemakers to throw together a mediatek or allwinner SoC and a modem into a plastic case Aug 12 15:47:52 * SpeedEvil wishes 'open drivers' wasn't such a comedic concept in mobile. Aug 12 15:48:09 I think I probably have about the only completely documented phone ever. Aug 12 15:48:14 Openmoko GTA01 Aug 12 15:48:24 After the GSM chipset drivers leaked. Aug 12 15:48:30 chipset docs Aug 12 15:48:36 No GPU. Aug 12 15:49:15 Well - the bluetooth module and the GPS are undocumented. Aug 12 15:51:08 I wish TI hadn't bailed. Aug 12 15:56:45 yeah Aug 12 15:57:06 though there were issues with them, ... Aug 12 15:59:12 Pigheadedness on the DSP bullshit. Aug 12 17:08:45 im having some camera issues Aug 12 17:08:45 i just freshly flashed Aug 12 17:08:45